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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72643 is a reply to message #72637] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 20:23   |
emarenot
Messages: 345
Registered: June 2005
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Hey Chris,
Good to hear from you!
Thanks for the info.
Take care,
MR
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:450f2d33@linux...
> HI Mike,
>
>
> Mike R. wrote:
> > Hope it's ok to post this question here.
> > A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
Cubase SE
> > on her current
>
> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>
> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>
>
>
> I'm
> > most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and what
sort
> > of external audio drive she could/should use.
>
> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
> come with the Tracktion software already.
>
> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for an
> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow for
> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you raise
> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>
>
> She generally won't be
> > recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't
think
> > she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I will
> > certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take you
folk's
> > recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some
pretty
> > nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
> > Thank you, thank you.
> > MR
> >
> >
>
> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>
http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=8935
>
> :)
>
> Chris
>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72651 is a reply to message #72623] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 18:56 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running Cubase
SE
>on her current 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
I'm
>most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and what sort
>of external audio drive she could/should use. She generally won't be
>recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't think
>she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I will
>certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take you folk's
>recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some pretty
>nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>Thank you, thank you.
>MR
>
>
I would go with a MacBook Pro and run Cubase under XP/ Bootcamp for the next
few months. The UB version should be out soon. For just a few tracks the
internal drive will be fine – even better if she goes with a 7200 drive.
This is an extremely fast box, and with an external drive you can do serious
recording, editing and mixing on it.
For simple needs, I would suggest an M-Audio Firewire interface. Low cost,
good drivers, works Mac and PC fine and she can even go to Pro Tools M-Powered
later if she likes. (Did I say that?)
Gene
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72652 is a reply to message #72637] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 19:11 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on native
systems?
I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
Jimmy
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:450f2d33@linux...
> HI Mike,
>
>
> Mike R. wrote:
> > Hope it's ok to post this question here.
> > A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
Cubase SE
> > on her current
>
> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>
> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>
>
>
> I'm
> > most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and what
sort
> > of external audio drive she could/should use.
>
> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
> come with the Tracktion software already.
>
> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for an
> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow for
> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you raise
> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>
>
> She generally won't be
> > recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't
think
> > she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I will
> > certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take you
folk's
> > recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some
pretty
> > nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
> > Thank you, thank you.
> > MR
> >
> >
>
> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>
http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
35
>
> :)
>
> Chris
>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72669 is a reply to message #72651] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 02:10 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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instigator...;o)
On 19 Sep 2006 11:56:40 +1000, "gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>>A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running Cubase
>SE
>>on her current 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>I'm
>>most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and what sort
>>of external audio drive she could/should use. She generally won't be
>>recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't think
>>she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I will
>>certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take you folk's
>>recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some pretty
>>nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>>Thank you, thank you.
>>MR
>>
>>
>I would go with a MacBook Pro and run Cubase under XP/ Bootcamp for the next
>few months. The UB version should be out soon. For just a few tracks the
>internal drive will be fine – even better if she goes with a 7200 drive.
>This is an extremely fast box, and with an external drive you can do serious
>recording, editing and mixing on it.
>For simple needs, I would suggest an M-Audio Firewire interface. Low cost,
>good drivers, works Mac and PC fine and she can even go to Pro Tools M-Powered
>later if she likes. (Did I say that?)
>Gene
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72683 is a reply to message #72652] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 06:47 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI,
It only matters under 2 scenarios.
1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
2. Processing native effects on a live input.
Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the hardware
level so no latency.
ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do this
only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs didn't
only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever. Steinberg
were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I wish
Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't have to
keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
programs. :0
Chris
Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on native
> systems?
>
> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>
> Jimmy
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:450f2d33@linux...
>
>>HI Mike,
>>
>>
>>Mike R. wrote:
>>
>>>Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>>>A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
>
> Cubase SE
>
>>>on her current
>>
>>No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
>>think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>>
>>'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm
>>
>>>most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and what
>
> sort
>
>>>of external audio drive she could/should use.
>>
>>On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
>>Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>>Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
>>come with the Tracktion software already.
>>
>>If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for an
>>external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
>>would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>>Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow for
>>32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you raise
>>the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>>
>>
>> She generally won't be
>>
>>>recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't
>
> think
>
>>>she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I will
>>>certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take you
>
> folk's
>
>>>recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some
>
> pretty
>
>>>nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>>>Thank you, thank you.
>>>MR
>>>
>>>
>>
>>The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>>
>
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
> 35
>
>>:)
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>
>>ADK Pro Audio
>>(859) 635-5762
>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72725 is a reply to message #72683] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 13:08 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
I'm very surprised, if true.
Jimmy
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:450ff34f$1@linux...
> HI,
> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>
> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the hardware
> level so no latency.
>
> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do this
> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs didn't
> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever. Steinberg
> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I wish
> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't have to
> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
> programs. :0
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> > What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on native
> > systems?
> >
> > I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> > news:450f2d33@linux...
> >
> >>HI Mike,
> >>
> >>
> >>Mike R. wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hope it's ok to post this question here.
> >>>A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
> >
> > Cubase SE
> >
> >>>on her current
> >>
> >>No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
> >>think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
> >>
> >>'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm
> >>
> >>>most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and what
> >
> > sort
> >
> >>>of external audio drive she could/should use.
> >>
> >>On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
> >>Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
> >>Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
> >>come with the Tracktion software already.
> >>
> >>If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for an
> >>external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
> >>would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
> >>Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow for
> >>32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you raise
> >>the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> She generally won't be
> >>
> >>>recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't
> >
> > think
> >
> >>>she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I will
> >>>certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take you
> >
> > folk's
> >
> >>>recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some
> >
> > pretty
> >
> >>>nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
> >>>Thank you, thank you.
> >>>MR
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
> >>
> >
> >
http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
> > 35
> >
> >>:)
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Chris Ludwig
> >>
> >>ADK Pro Audio
> >>(859) 635-5762
> >>www.adkproaudio.com
> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72732 is a reply to message #72725] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 15:06 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Hi Jimmy,
As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
Chris
Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>
> I'm very surprised, if true.
>
> Jimmy
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>> HI,
>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>>
>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the hardware
>> level so no latency.
>>
>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do this
>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs didn't
>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever. Steinberg
>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I wish
>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't have to
>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>> programs. :0
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on native
>>> systems?
>>>
>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>>>
>>>> HI Mike,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
>>> Cubase SE
>>>
>>>>> on her current
>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>>>>
>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm
>>>>
>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and what
>>> sort
>>>
>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>>>>
>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for an
>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow for
>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you raise
>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She generally won't be
>>>>
>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't
>>> think
>>>
>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I will
>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take you
>>> folk's
>>>
>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some
>>> pretty
>>>
>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>>>>> MR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>>>>
>>>
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>>> 35
>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72735 is a reply to message #72732] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 15:16 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
Rod
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Jimmy,
>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>Chris
>
>
>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>>
>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>>> HI,
>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>>>
>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the hardware
>>> level so no latency.
>>>
>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do this
>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs didn't
>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever. Steinberg
>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I wish
>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't have
to
>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>>> programs. :0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on native
>>>> systems?
>>>>
>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> HI Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
>>>> Cubase SE
>>>>
>>>>>> on her current
>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>
>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and
what
>>>> sort
>>>>
>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>>>>>
>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for an
>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow
for
>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you raise
>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> She generally won't be
>>>>>
>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't
>>>> think
>>>>
>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I
will
>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take
you
>>>> folk's
>>>>
>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some
>>>> pretty
>>>>
>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>>>>>> MR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>>>> 35
>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72744 is a reply to message #72735] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 17:11 |
chucduffy
Messages: 3
Registered: September 2006
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Depending on lookahead of course :-)
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>Rod
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>Hi Jimmy,
>>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
>>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>>>
>>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>>>> HI,
>>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the hardware
>>>> level so no latency.
>>>>
>>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
>>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do
this
>>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs didn't
>>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever. Steinberg
>>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I wish
>>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't have
>to
>>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>>>> programs. :0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on native
>>>>> systems?
>>>>>
>>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>> HI Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
>>>>> Cubase SE
>>>>>
>>>>>>> on her current
>>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
>>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and
>what
>>>>> sort
>>>>>
>>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
>>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
>>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for
an
>>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
>>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow
>for
>>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you
raise
>>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She generally won't be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I don't
>>>>> think
>>>>>
>>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I
>will
>>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take
>you
>>>>> folk's
>>>>>
>>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did some
>>>>> pretty
>>>>>
>>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>>>>>>> MR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>>>>> 35
>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>> ADK
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>
>>ADK Pro Audio
>>(859) 635-5762
>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72747 is a reply to message #72744] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 17:44 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
Even NoLimit? No real latency?
Jimmy
"chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
>
> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
> >Rod
> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >>Hi Jimmy,
> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
> >>>
> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
> >>>
> >>> Jimmy
> >>>
> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
> >>>> HI,
> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
> >>>>
> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the
hardware
> >>>> level so no latency.
> >>>>
> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do
> this
> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs
didn't
> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
Steinberg
> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I
wish
> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't have
> >to
> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
> >>>> programs. :0
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on
native
> >>>>> systems?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jimmy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> HI Mike,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
> >>>>> Cubase SE
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> on her current
> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I
don't
> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and
> >what
> >>>>> sort
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want
quality
> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense
they
> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for
> an
> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the
projects
> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow
> >for
> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you
> raise
> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> She generally won't be
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I
don't
> >>>>> think
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I
> >will
> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take
> >you
> >>>>> folk's
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did
some
> >>>>> pretty
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
> >>>>>>> MR
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
> >>>>> 35
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Chris Ludwig
> >>>> ADK
> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>>> (859) 635-5762
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Chris Ludwig
> >>
> >>ADK Pro Audio
> >>(859) 635-5762
> >>www.adkproaudio.com
> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72750 is a reply to message #72747] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 18:10 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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It essentially splits the signal into two paths.. one for the detector and
one that is the audio throughput. By NOT delaying the detector and delaying
the audio by, let's say, 1 mS the detector actually gets a 1 mS 'lookahead'
time to better process the signal/transients.
The price is that now your audio will be 1 mS later than it was. This can be
a real bite in the rear on multimic'd stuff like drum kits unless you
intentionally delay the other tracks by the same amount (and the next step
is to move them all back/to the left 1mS in the editor).
AA
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:45108d2a@linux...
>I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
>
> Even NoLimit? No real latency?
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
>>
>> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>> >Rod
>> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >>Hi Jimmy,
>> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
>> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>> >>Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jimmy
>> >>>
>> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>> >>>> HI,
>> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the
> hardware
>> >>>> level so no latency.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
>> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do
>> this
>> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs
> didn't
>> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
> Steinberg
>> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I
> wish
>> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't
>> >>>> have
>> >to
>> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>> >>>> programs. :0
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Chris
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on
> native
>> >>>>> systems?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jimmy
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> HI Mike,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is
>> >>>>>>> running
>> >>>>> Cubase SE
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> on her current
>> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I
> don't
>> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and
>> >what
>> >>>>> sort
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want
> quality
>> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense
> they
>> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for
>> an
>> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the
> projects
>> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow
>> >for
>> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you
>> raise
>> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> She generally won't be
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I
> don't
>> >>>>> think
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either. I
>> >will
>> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take
>> >you
>> >>>>> folk's
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did
> some
>> >>>>> pretty
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>> >>>>>>> MR
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>> >>>>> 35
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Chris
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >>>> ADK
>> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Chris Ludwig
>> >>
>> >>ADK Pro Audio
>> >>(859) 635-5762
>> >>www.adkproaudio.com
>> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72752 is a reply to message #72747] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 18:19 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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here's how I understand it...
a. EDS plugs have a 1 to 2 sample latency when lookahead is set to zero.
b. unfortunately there is a bug in nolimit that causes unpredictable results
when 0 lookahead is used.
c. Lookahead on any EDS plug is essentially a delay line, and causes latency
exactly equal (well not exactly, move on to d for more info) to the lookahead
value. If you use a lookahead of 1 ms it will cause a latency of (what should
be) 44 samples.
d. The UI control code in paris is geeked and the math is hardwired to a
48K sample rate instead of 44.1. This means that any math calculations based
on UI controls are off. A lookahead of 1ms in a project based on 44.1 should
cause a latency of 44 samples, but causes a latency of 48.
e. The audio from the lookahead delay line feeds the control channel for
a gate/compressor/limiter.
the plug is looking out into the delayed signal (a leetle bit further ahead),
but acting on the non-delayed signal, giving it the appearance of "knowing"
what's going to happen in terms of transients, but at the cost of latency.
Chuck
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
>
>Even NoLimit? No real latency?
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>"chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
>>
>> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>> >Rod
>> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >>Hi Jimmy,
>> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
>> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>> >>Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jimmy
>> >>>
>> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>> >>>> HI,
>> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the
>hardware
>> >>>> level so no latency.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all
the
>> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will
do
>> this
>> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs
>didn't
>> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
>Steinberg
>> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path.
I
>wish
>> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't
have
>> >to
>> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>> >>>> programs. :0
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Chris
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on
>native
>> >>>>> systems?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jimmy
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> HI Mike,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
>> >>>>> Cubase SE
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> on her current
>> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I
>don't
>> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card
and
>> >what
>> >>>>> sort
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want
>quality
>> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense
>they
>> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for
>> an
>> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the
>projects
>> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow
>> >for
>> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you
>> raise
>> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> She generally won't be
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max.
I
>don't
>> >>>>> think
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either.
I
>> >will
>> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take
>> >you
>> >>>>> folk's
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did
>some
>> >>>>> pretty
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>> >>>>>>> MR
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>> >>>>> 35
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Chris
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >>>> ADK
>> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Chris Ludwig
>> >>
>> >>ADK Pro Audio
>> >>(859) 635-5762
>> >>www.adkproaudio.com
>> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72755 is a reply to message #72750] |
Tue, 19 September 2006 18:44 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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OMG I can't believe I actually wrote plugs that use lookahead, and yet described
it exactly backwards.
Chuck
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>It essentially splits the signal into two paths.. one for the detector and
>one that is the audio throughput. By NOT delaying the detector and delaying
>the audio by, let's say, 1 mS the detector actually gets a 1 mS 'lookahead'
>time to better process the signal/transients.
>The price is that now your audio will be 1 mS later than it was. This can
be
>a real bite in the rear on multimic'd stuff like drum kits unless you
>intentionally delay the other tracks by the same amount (and the next step
>is to move them all back/to the left 1mS in the editor).
>
>AA
>
>"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:45108d2a@linux...
>>I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
>>
>> Even NoLimit? No real latency?
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>>
>> "chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>>>
>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>>> >Rod
>>> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> >>Hi Jimmy,
>>> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency
as
>>> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>>> >>Chris
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jimmy
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>>> >>>> HI,
>>> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>>> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>>> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>>> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the
>> hardware
>>> >>>> level so no latency.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all
the
>>> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will
do
>>> this
>>> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs
>> didn't
>>> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
>> Steinberg
>>> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path.
I
>> wish
>>> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't
>>> >>>> have
>>> >to
>>> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>>> >>>> programs. :0
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Chris
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on
>> native
>>> >>>>> systems?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Jimmy
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> HI Mike,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>>> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is
>>> >>>>>>> running
>>> >>>>> Cubase SE
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> on her current
>>> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I
>> don't
>>> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I'm
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card
and
>>> >what
>>> >>>>> sort
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>>> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want
>> quality
>>> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>>> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense
>> they
>>> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need
for
>>> an
>>> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the
>> projects
>>> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>>> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow
>>> >for
>>> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If
you
>>> raise
>>> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> She generally won't be
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max.
I
>> don't
>>> >>>>> think
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either.
I
>>> >will
>>> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd
take
>>> >you
>>> >>>>> folk's
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did
>> some
>>> >>>>> pretty
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>>> >>>>>>> MR
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>
>> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>>> >>>>> 35
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> :)
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Chris
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> >>>> ADK
>>> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> >>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>--
>>> >>Chris Ludwig
>>> >>
>>> >>ADK Pro Audio
>>> >>(859) 635-5762
>>> >>www.adkproaudio.com
>>> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72772 is a reply to message #72744] |
Wed, 20 September 2006 05:40 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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OF course!
rod
"chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote:
>
>Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>>Rod
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Jimmy,
>>>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
>>>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>>>>
>>>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>>>>> HI,
>>>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>>>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>>>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>>>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the hardware
>>>>> level so no latency.
>>>>>
>>>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
>>>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do
>this
>>>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs didn't
>>>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever. Steinberg
>>>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I
wish
>>>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't have
>>to
>>>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>>>>> programs. :0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on native
>>>>>> systems?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Mike,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>>>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
>>>>>> Cubase SE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on her current
>>>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
>>>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and
>>what
>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>>>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
>>>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>>>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
>>>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for
>an
>>>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
>>>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>>>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow
>>for
>>>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you
>raise
>>>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She generally won't be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I
don't
>>>>>> think
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either.
I
>>will
>>>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take
>>you
>>>>>> folk's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did
some
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>>>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>>>>>>>> MR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>>>>>> 35
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72797 is a reply to message #72750] |
Wed, 20 September 2006 17:14 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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So the point of lookahead is to give the digital math time to process the
audio data?
Are there any examples of this sort of thing in other DAWs?
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:45109336$1@linux...
> It essentially splits the signal into two paths.. one for the detector and
> one that is the audio throughput. By NOT delaying the detector and
delaying
> the audio by, let's say, 1 mS the detector actually gets a 1 mS
'lookahead'
> time to better process the signal/transients.
> The price is that now your audio will be 1 mS later than it was. This can
be
> a real bite in the rear on multimic'd stuff like drum kits unless you
> intentionally delay the other tracks by the same amount (and the next step
> is to move them all back/to the left 1mS in the editor).
>
> AA
>
> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:45108d2a@linux...
> >I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
> >
> > Even NoLimit? No real latency?
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> > "chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
> >>
> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
> >> >Rod
> >> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >> >>Hi Jimmy,
> >> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
> >> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
> >> >>Chris
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> >> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jimmy
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
> >> >>>> HI,
> >> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
> >> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
> >> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
> >> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the
> > hardware
> >> >>>> level so no latency.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all
the
> >> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will
do
> >> this
> >> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs
> > didn't
> >> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
> > Steinberg
> >> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I
> > wish
> >> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't
> >> >>>> have
> >> >to
> >> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
> >> >>>> programs. :0
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Chris
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> >> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on
> > native
> >> >>>>> systems?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the
beginning.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Jimmy
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> HI Mike,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
> >> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is
> >> >>>>>>> running
> >> >>>>> Cubase SE
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> on her current
> >> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I
> > don't
> >> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I'm
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card
and
> >> >what
> >> >>>>> sort
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
> >> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want
> > quality
> >> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
> >> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense
> > they
> >> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need
for
> >> an
> >> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the
> > projects
> >> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
> >> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily
allow
> >> >for
> >> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If
you
> >> raise
> >> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> She generally won't be
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I
> > don't
> >> >>>>> think
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either.
I
> >> >will
> >> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd
take
> >> >you
> >> >>>>> folk's
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did
> > some
> >> >>>>> pretty
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
> >> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
> >> >>>>>>> MR
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >
http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
> >> >>>>> 35
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> :)
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Chris
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
> >> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
> >> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
> >> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> Chris Ludwig
> >> >>>> ADK
> >> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >> >>>> (859) 635-5762
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>--
> >> >>Chris Ludwig
> >> >>
> >> >>ADK Pro Audio
> >> >>(859) 635-5762
> >> >>www.adkproaudio.com
> >> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72800 is a reply to message #72797] |
Wed, 20 September 2006 18:16 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
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well, this is really more of a plug in thing IMO, though there are similar
things happening in audio data feeds called buffers. Sonar does this, and
I'm sure most native apps do. More buffers, more delay for processing and
playback but the stability of the system is much improved.
I guess you could say all native DAWs in that respect do it.
AA
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4511d78f@linux...
> So the point of lookahead is to give the digital math time to process the
> audio data?
>
> Are there any examples of this sort of thing in other DAWs?
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:45109336$1@linux...
>> It essentially splits the signal into two paths.. one for the detector
>> and
>> one that is the audio throughput. By NOT delaying the detector and
> delaying
>> the audio by, let's say, 1 mS the detector actually gets a 1 mS
> 'lookahead'
>> time to better process the signal/transients.
>> The price is that now your audio will be 1 mS later than it was. This can
> be
>> a real bite in the rear on multimic'd stuff like drum kits unless you
>> intentionally delay the other tracks by the same amount (and the next
>> step
>> is to move them all back/to the left 1mS in the editor).
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:45108d2a@linux...
>> >I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
>> >
>> > Even NoLimit? No real latency?
>> >
>> > Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> > "chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>> >>
>> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>> >> >Rod
>> >> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >> >>Hi Jimmy,
>> >> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency
>> >> >>as
>> >> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>> >> >>Chris
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Jimmy
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>> >> >>>> HI,
>> >> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>> >> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>> >> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>> >> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the
>> > hardware
>> >> >>>> level so no latency.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all
> the
>> >> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will
> do
>> >> this
>> >> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs
>> > didn't
>> >> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
>> > Steinberg
>> >> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path.
>> >> >>>> I
>> > wish
>> >> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't
>> >> >>>> have
>> >> >to
>> >> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>> >> >>>> programs. :0
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Chris
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on
>> > native
>> >> >>>>> systems?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the
> beginning.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Jimmy
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> HI Mike,
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>> >> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is
>> >> >>>>>>> running
>> >> >>>>> Cubase SE
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> on her current
>> >> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I
>> > don't
>> >> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I'm
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card
> and
>> >> >what
>> >> >>>>> sort
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>> >> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want
>> > quality
>> >> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>> >> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense
>> > they
>> >> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need
> for
>> >> an
>> >> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the
>> > projects
>> >> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>> >> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily
> allow
>> >> >for
>> >> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If
> you
>> >> raise
>> >> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> She generally won't be
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max.
>> >> >>>>>>> I
>> > don't
>> >> >>>>> think
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either.
> I
>> >> >will
>> >> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd
> take
>> >> >you
>> >> >>>>> folk's
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he
>> >> >>>>>>> did
>> > some
>> >> >>>>> pretty
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>> >> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>> >> >>>>>>> MR
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>> >> >>>>> 35
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> :)
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Chris
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> --
>> >> >>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >>>> ADK
>> >> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >> >>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>--
>> >> >>Chris Ludwig
>> >> >>
>> >> >>ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >>(859) 635-5762
>> >> >>www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72807 is a reply to message #72800] |
Wed, 20 September 2006 19:38 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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I've heard of buffers.
Buffers = lookahead, right?
Thanks, man. I appreciate the patience. My awareness is elsewhere other than
technical stuff, for sure. Usually.
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:4511e624@linux...
> well, this is really more of a plug in thing IMO, though there are similar
> things happening in audio data feeds called buffers. Sonar does this, and
> I'm sure most native apps do. More buffers, more delay for processing and
> playback but the stability of the system is much improved.
> I guess you could say all native DAWs in that respect do it.
>
> AA
>
> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:4511d78f@linux...
> > So the point of lookahead is to give the digital math time to process
the
> > audio data?
> >
> > Are there any examples of this sort of thing in other DAWs?
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> > news:45109336$1@linux...
> >> It essentially splits the signal into two paths.. one for the detector
> >> and
> >> one that is the audio throughput. By NOT delaying the detector and
> > delaying
> >> the audio by, let's say, 1 mS the detector actually gets a 1 mS
> > 'lookahead'
> >> time to better process the signal/transients.
> >> The price is that now your audio will be 1 mS later than it was. This
can
> > be
> >> a real bite in the rear on multimic'd stuff like drum kits unless you
> >> intentionally delay the other tracks by the same amount (and the next
> >> step
> >> is to move them all back/to the left 1mS in the editor).
> >>
> >> AA
> >>
> >> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >> news:45108d2a@linux...
> >> >I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
> >> >
> >> > Even NoLimit? No real latency?
> >> >
> >> > Jimmy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
> >> >> >Rod
> >> >> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>Hi Jimmy,
> >> >> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency
> >> >> >>as
> >> >> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
> >> >> >>Chris
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> >> >> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Jimmy
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
> >> >> >>>> HI,
> >> >> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
> >> >> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
> >> >> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
> >> >> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the
> >> > hardware
> >> >> >>>> level so no latency.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep
all
> > the
> >> >> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris
will
> > do
> >> >> this
> >> >> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most
programs
> >> > didn't
> >> >> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
> >> > Steinberg
> >> >> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole
path.
> >> >> >>>> I
> >> > wish
> >> >> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I
wouldn't
> >> >> >>>> have
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in
their
> >> >> >>>> programs. :0
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Chris
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC
on
> >> > native
> >> >> >>>>> systems?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the
> > beginning.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Jimmy
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> HI Mike,
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
> >> >> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is
> >> >> >>>>>>> running
> >> >> >>>>> Cubase SE
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> on her current
> >> >> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so
I
> >> > don't
> >> >> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> I'm
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio
card
> > and
> >> >> >what
> >> >> >>>>> sort
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
> >> >> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want
> >> > quality
> >> >> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
> >> >> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option
sense
> >> > they
> >> >> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need
> > for
> >> >> an
> >> >> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but
the
> >> > projects
> >> >> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on
DVDRW.
> >> >> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily
> > allow
> >> >> >for
> >> >> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If
> > you
> >> >> raise
> >> >> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> She generally won't be
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max.
> >> >> >>>>>>> I
> >> > don't
> >> >> >>>>> think
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time
either.
> > I
> >> >> >will
> >> >> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd
> > take
> >> >> >you
> >> >> >>>>> folk's
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he
> >> >> >>>>>>> did
> >> > some
> >> >> >>>>> pretty
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
> >> >> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
> >> >> >>>>>>> MR
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >
> >
http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
> >> >> >>>>> 35
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> :)
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Chris
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
> >> >> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
> >> >> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
> >> >> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> --
> >> >> >>>> Chris Ludwig
> >> >> >>>> ADK
> >> >> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >> >> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >> >> >>>> (859) 635-5762
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>--
> >> >> >>Chris Ludwig
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>ADK Pro Audio
> >> >> >>(859) 635-5762
> >> >> >>www.adkproaudio.com
> >> >> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
|
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72811 is a reply to message #72807] |
Wed, 20 September 2006 21:02 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
|
|
In the context of realtime latency, that would suffice.
AA
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4511f94d@linux...
> I've heard of buffers.
>
> Buffers = lookahead, right?
>
> Thanks, man. I appreciate the patience. My awareness is elsewhere other
> than
> technical stuff, for sure. Usually.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:4511e624@linux...
>> well, this is really more of a plug in thing IMO, though there are
>> similar
>> things happening in audio data feeds called buffers. Sonar does this, and
>> I'm sure most native apps do. More buffers, more delay for processing and
>> playback but the stability of the system is much improved.
>> I guess you could say all native DAWs in that respect do it.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:4511d78f@linux...
>> > So the point of lookahead is to give the digital math time to process
> the
>> > audio data?
>> >
>> > Are there any examples of this sort of thing in other DAWs?
>> >
>> > Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> > news:45109336$1@linux...
>> >> It essentially splits the signal into two paths.. one for the detector
>> >> and
>> >> one that is the audio throughput. By NOT delaying the detector and
>> > delaying
>> >> the audio by, let's say, 1 mS the detector actually gets a 1 mS
>> > 'lookahead'
>> >> time to better process the signal/transients.
>> >> The price is that now your audio will be 1 mS later than it was. This
> can
>> > be
>> >> a real bite in the rear on multimic'd stuff like drum kits unless you
>> >> intentionally delay the other tracks by the same amount (and the next
>> >> step
>> >> is to move them all back/to the left 1mS in the editor).
>> >>
>> >> AA
>> >>
>> >> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:45108d2a@linux...
>> >> >I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
>> >> >
>> >> > Even NoLimit? No real latency?
>> >> >
>> >> > Jimmy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>> >> >> >Rod
>> >> >> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>Hi Jimmy,
>> >> >> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no
>> >> >> >>latency
>> >> >> >>as
>> >> >> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>> >> >> >>Chris
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Jimmy
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>>> HI,
>> >> >> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>> >> >> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>> >> >> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>> >> >> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at
>> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> > hardware
>> >> >> >>>> level so no latency.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep
> all
>> > the
>> >> >> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris
> will
>> > do
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most
> programs
>> >> > didn't
>> >> >> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
>> >> > Steinberg
>> >> >> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole
> path.
>> >> >> >>>> I
>> >> > wish
>> >> >> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I
> wouldn't
>> >> >> >>>> have
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in
> their
>> >> >> >>>> programs. :0
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Chris
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC
> on
>> >> > native
>> >> >> >>>>> systems?
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the
>> > beginning.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Jimmy
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> HI Mike,
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is
>> >> >> >>>>>>> running
>> >> >> >>>>> Cubase SE
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> on her current
>> >> >> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so
> I
>> >> > don't
>> >> >> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> I'm
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio
> card
>> > and
>> >> >> >what
>> >> >> >>>>> sort
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>> >> >> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she
>> >> >> >>>>>> want
>> >> > quality
>> >> >> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>> >> >> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option
> sense
>> >> > they
>> >> >> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no
>> >> >> >>>>>> need
>> > for
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but
> the
>> >> > projects
>> >> >> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on
> DVDRW.
>> >> >> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily
>> > allow
>> >> >> >for
>> >> >> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400.
>> >> >> >>>>>> If
>> > you
>> >> >> raise
>> >> >> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> She generally won't be
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute
>> >> >> >>>>>>> max.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> I
>> >> > don't
>> >> >> >>>>> think
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time
> either.
>> > I
>> >> >> >will
>> >> >> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but
>> >> >> >>>>>>> I'd
>> > take
>> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >>>>> folk's
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he
>> >> >> >>>>>>> did
>> >> > some
>> >> >> >>>>> pretty
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> MR
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>> >> >> >>>>> 35
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> :)
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Chris
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> --
>> >> >> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>> --
>> >> >> >>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >> >>>> ADK
>> >> >> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >> >> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >> >> >>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>--
>> >> >> >>Chris Ludwig
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >> >>(859) 635-5762
>> >> >> >>www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72823 is a reply to message #72797] |
Thu, 21 September 2006 06:05 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
In native systems the entire playback stream is bufffered a number of samples
(read latency).
Chuck
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>So the point of lookahead is to give the digital math time to process the
>audio data?
>
>Are there any examples of this sort of thing in other DAWs?
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>news:45109336$1@linux...
>> It essentially splits the signal into two paths.. one for the detector
and
>> one that is the audio throughput. By NOT delaying the detector and
>delaying
>> the audio by, let's say, 1 mS the detector actually gets a 1 mS
>'lookahead'
>> time to better process the signal/transients.
>> The price is that now your audio will be 1 mS later than it was. This
can
>be
>> a real bite in the rear on multimic'd stuff like drum kits unless you
>> intentionally delay the other tracks by the same amount (and the next
step
>> is to move them all back/to the left 1mS in the editor).
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:45108d2a@linux...
>> >I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
>> >
>> > Even NoLimit? No real latency?
>> >
>> > Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> > "chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>> >>
>> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>> >> >Rod
>> >> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >> >>Hi Jimmy,
>> >> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency
as
>> >> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>> >> >>Chris
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Jimmy
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>> >> >>>> HI,
>> >> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>> >> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>> >> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>> >> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the
>> > hardware
>> >> >>>> level so no latency.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all
>the
>> >> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will
>do
>> >> this
>> >> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs
>> > didn't
>> >> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
>> > Steinberg
>> >> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path.
I
>> > wish
>> >> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't
>> >> >>>> have
>> >> >to
>> >> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>> >> >>>> programs. :0
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Chris
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC
on
>> > native
>> >> >>>>> systems?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the
>beginning.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Jimmy
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> HI Mike,
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>> >> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is
>> >> >>>>>>> running
>> >> >>>>> Cubase SE
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> on her current
>> >> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so
I
>> > don't
>> >> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I'm
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card
>and
>> >> >what
>> >> >>>>> sort
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>> >> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want
>> > quality
>> >> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>> >> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense
>> > they
>> >> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need
>for
>> >> an
>> >> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the
>> > projects
>> >> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>> >> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily
>allow
>> >> >for
>> >> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If
>you
>> >> raise
>> >> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> She generally won't be
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max.
I
>> > don't
>> >> >>>>> think
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either.
>I
>> >> >will
>> >> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd
>take
>> >> >you
>> >> >>>>> folk's
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he
did
>> > some
>> >> >>>>> pretty
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>> >> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>> >> >>>>>>> MR
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>> >> >>>>> 35
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> :)
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Chris
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> --
>> >> >>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >>>> ADK
>> >> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >> >>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>--
>> >> >>Chris Ludwig
>> >> >>
>> >> >>ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >>(859) 635-5762
>> >> >>www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
|
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| Re: OT: Mac Laptop for Cubase Recommendations [message #72824 is a reply to message #72807] |
Thu, 21 September 2006 06:09 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
buffer and delay line are synonymns in the music programming arena. Lookahead
uses buffers.
Chuck
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I've heard of buffers.
>
>Buffers = lookahead, right?
>
>Thanks, man. I appreciate the patience. My awareness is elsewhere other
than
>technical stuff, for sure. Usually.
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>news:4511e624@linux...
>> well, this is really more of a plug in thing IMO, though there are similar
>> things happening in audio data feeds called buffers. Sonar does this,
and
>> I'm sure most native apps do. More buffers, more delay for processing
and
>> playback but the stability of the system is much improved.
>> I guess you could say all native DAWs in that respect do it.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:4511d78f@linux...
>> > So the point of lookahead is to give the digital math time to process
>the
>> > audio data?
>> >
>> > Are there any examples of this sort of thing in other DAWs?
>> >
>> > Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> > news:45109336$1@linux...
>> >> It essentially splits the signal into two paths.. one for the detector
>> >> and
>> >> one that is the audio throughput. By NOT delaying the detector and
>> > delaying
>> >> the audio by, let's say, 1 mS the detector actually gets a 1 mS
>> > 'lookahead'
>> >> time to better process the signal/transients.
>> >> The price is that now your audio will be 1 mS later than it was. This
>can
>> > be
>> >> a real bite in the rear on multimic'd stuff like drum kits unless you
>> >> intentionally delay the other tracks by the same amount (and the next
>> >> step
>> >> is to move them all back/to the left 1mS in the editor).
>> >>
>> >> AA
>> >>
>> >> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:45108d2a@linux...
>> >> >I never understood lookahead. Read the explanations, felt ignernt.
>> >> >
>> >> > Even NoLimit? No real latency?
>> >> >
>> >> > Jimmy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote in message news:4510872c$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>> >> >> >Rod
>> >> >> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>Hi Jimmy,
>> >> >> >>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency
>> >> >> >>as
>> >> >> >>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>> >> >> >>Chris
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Jimmy
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>>> HI,
>> >> >> >>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>> >> >> >>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>> >> >> >>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>> >> >> >>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at
the
>> >> > hardware
>> >> >> >>>> level so no latency.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep
>all
>> > the
>> >> >> >>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris
>will
>> > do
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> >>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most
>programs
>> >> > didn't
>> >> >> >>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever.
>> >> > Steinberg
>> >> >> >>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole
>path.
>> >> >> >>>> I
>> >> > wish
>> >> >> >>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I
>wouldn't
>> >> >> >>>> have
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in
>their
>> >> >> >>>> programs. :0
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Chris
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC
>on
>> >> > native
>> >> >> >>>>> systems?
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the
>> > beginning.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Jimmy
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> HI Mike,
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She
is
>> >> >> >>>>>>> running
>> >> >> >>>>> Cubase SE
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> on her current
>> >> >> >>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out
so
>I
>> >> > don't
>> >> >> >>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> I'm
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio
>card
>> > and
>> >> >> >what
>> >> >> >>>>> sort
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>> >> >> >>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she
want
>> >> > quality
>> >> >> >>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>> >> >> >>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option
>sense
>> >> > they
>> >> >> >>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no
need
>> > for
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> >>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but
>the
>> >> > projects
>> >> >> >>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on
>DVDRW.
>> >> >> >>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily
>> > allow
>> >> >> >for
>> >> >> >>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400.
If
>> > you
>> >> >> raise
>> >> >> >>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> She generally won't be
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute
max.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> I
>> >> > don't
>> >> >> >>>>> think
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time
>either.
>> > I
>> >> >> >will
>> >> >> >>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but
I'd
>> > take
>> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >>>>> folk's
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although
he
>> >> >> >>>>>>> did
>> >> > some
>> >> >> >>>>> pretty
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> MR
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>> >> >> >>>>> 35
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> :)
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Chris
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> --
>> >> >> >>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >> >>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >> >>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> >>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>> --
>> >> >> >>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >> >>>> ADK
>> >> >> >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >> >> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >> >> >>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>--
>> >> >> >>Chris Ludwig
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >> >>(859) 635-5762
>> >> >> >>www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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