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| Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59750 is a reply to message #59722] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 02:24   |
Dimitrios
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> >It's weird, how many people are using native plugins.
> >
> >I've not used the UAD-1, so I felt the need to pipe up with that caveat.
> >
> >But it is astounding how bad plugins sound, and how much time you can
spend
> >trying to get them to sound good; but when you plug in an 1176 or a 1073
> EQ
> >or a nice FX box (or even an RNC compressor), it takes about 10 seconds
> >before things just make more sense sonically. Outboard is still
light-years
> >ahead of plugins, in my somewhat informed opinion.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
> >"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote in message
> >news:4365825c$1@linux...
> >>
> >> I agree with everything you just said about plugins. Exteral harware
> just
> >> blows the doors off virtual.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >I do not use plugins, and haven't for years. They do not sound as good
> as
> >> >high-quality outboard equipment, not on any level, and that's putting
> it
> >> >very politely. I am shocked that companies like Waves make any money
> at
> >> all
> >> >selling those kinds of products.
> >> >
> >> >Paris is amazing, but I use it's EQ sparingly at most. Ulitmately, for
> >me,
> >> >it's a glorified tape machine with an awesome built-in editing
> >capability,
> >> >plus some well-documented gain-staging "tips and tricks" that sound
> >simply
> >> >delicious.
> >> >
> >> >Jimmy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> >> >news:43652386$1@linux...
> >> >> I've found with software less is almost always more. I went through
> my
> >> >plug
> >> >> in craze phase.. ironically, I suspect phase and calculations are
what
> >> >> muddied up the mix. I know that we as an industry are in trouble
when
> >> >every
> >> >> year, or less, we have to evaluate our tools and think we need
> >something
> >> >> new. I'm all down with improvement, but if things are growing
'that'
> >> >fast,
> >> >> then maybe we should have a look at what are we really using to
begin
> >> >with.
> >> >> Change can't generally happen that quickly and be for the long term
> >good.
> >> >> Computers are a funny beast man.
> >> >> AA
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:43651390@linux...
> >> >> > Ya know............Im sitting here listening to some *roughs* of
> a
> >> >> > tracking
> >> >> > session I
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| Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59756 is a reply to message #59750] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 10:49 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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;> >very politely. I am shocked that companies like Waves make any
money
> >> at
> >> >> all
> >> >> >selling those kinds of products.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Paris is amazing, but I use it's EQ sparingly at most. Ulitmately,
> for
> >> >me,
> >> >> >it's a glorified tape machine with an awesome built-in editing
> >> >capability,
> >> >> >plus some well-documented gain-staging "tips and tricks" that sound
> >> >simply
> >> >> >delicious.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Jimmy
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:43652386$1@linux...
> >> >> >> I've found with software less is almost always more. I went
through
> >> my
> >> >> >plug
> >> >> >> in craze phase.. ironically, I suspect phase and calculations are
> >what
> >> >> >> muddied up the mix. I know that we as an industry are in trouble
> >when
> >> >> >every
> >> >> >> year, or less, we have to evaluate our tools and think we need
> >> >something
> >> >> >> new. I'm all down with improvement, but if things are growing
> >'that'
> >> >> >fast,
> >> >> >> then maybe we should have a look at what are we really using to
> >begin
> >> >> >with.
> >> >> >> Change can't generally happen that quickly and be for the long
term
> >> >good.
> >> >> >> Computers are a funny beast man.
> >> >> >> AA
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:43651390@linux...
> >> >> >> > Ya know............Im sitting here listening to some *roughs*
> of
> >> a
> >> >> >> > tracking
> >> >> >> > session I did Friday night. No compression, a very tiny bit of
> >> >> >subtractive
> >> >> >> > EQ, a tiny touch of NoLimit on the mix bus. That's it. The rest
> of
> >> >the
> >> >> >> > story
> >> >> >> > is using the Paris EQ makeup gain and the fader gain stages to
> get
> >> >the
> >> >> >> > *mixphat thing going*.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I swear guys.......this sounds better to my ears than all of
the
> >> >> >1,000,000
> >> >> >> > gobazzillion plugin options I have available when using the SX
> rig
> >> >> >during
> >> >> >> > mixdown.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It's pretty minimalist stuff to begin with......acoustic rythym
> >> >guitar,
> >> >> >> > acoustic lead guitar, fiddle, electric bass and acoustic drum
> >> >> >> > kit........but
> >> >> >> > that seems to be all I do these days anyway.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sometimes less is truly more.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Deej
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >>
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| Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59759 is a reply to message #59750] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 10:17 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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able in a pinch, which means I don't need them anymore.
>> >
>> >Cuz I'm the proud owner of a Great River 1073... :)
>> >
>> >Jimmy
>> >
>> >"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote in message
>> >news:43661314@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Hi Jimmy,
>> >>
>> >> How do you find the paris eq stacks up against the 1073 eq?
>> >>
>> >> All the best,
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >> >It's weird, how many people are using native plugins.
>> >> >
>> >> >I've not used the UAD-1, so I felt the need to pipe up with that
>caveat.
>> >> >
>> >> >But it is astounding how bad plugins sound, and how much time you
can
>> >spend
>> >> >trying to get them to sound good; but when you plug in an 1176 or
a
>1073
>> >> EQ
>> >> >or a nice FX box (or even an RNC compressor), it takes about 10
>seconds
>> >> >before things just make more sense sonically. Outboard is still
>> >light-years
>> >> >ahead of plugins, in my somewhat informed opinion.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jimmy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4365825c$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I agree with everything you just said about plugins. Exteral
>harware
>> >> just
>> >> >> blows the doors off virtual.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mike
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >I do not use plugins, and haven't for years. They do not sound
as
>> good
>> >> as
>> >> >> >high-quality outboard equipment, not on any level, and that's
>putting
>> >> it
>> >> >> >very politely. I am shocked that companies like Waves make any
>money
>> >> at
>> >> >> all
>> >> >> >selling those kinds of products.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Paris is amazing, but I use it's EQ sparingly at most. Ulitmately,
>> for
>> >> >me,
>> >> >> >it's a glorified tape machine with an awesome built-in editing
>> >> >capability,
>> >> >> >plus some well-documented gain-staging "tips and tricks" that sound
>> >> >simply
>> >> >> >delicious.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jimmy
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:43652386$1@linux...
>> >> >> >> I've found with software less is almost always more. I went
>through
>> >> my
>> >> >> >plug
>> >> >> >> in craze phase.. ironically, I suspect phase and calculations
are
>> >what
>> >> >> >> muddied up the mix. I know that we as an industry are in trouble
>> >when
>> >> >> >every
>> >> >> >> year, or less, we have to evaluate our tools and think we need
>> >> >something
>> >> >> >> new. I'm all down with improvement, but if things are growing
>> >'that'
>> >> >> >fast,
>> >> >> >> then maybe we should have a look at what are we really using
to
>> >begin
>> >> >> >with.
>> >> >> >> Change can't generally happen that quickly and be for the long
>term
>> >> >good.
>> >> >> >> Computers are a funny beast man.
>> >> >> >> AA
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:43651390@linux...
>> >> >> >> > Ya know............Im sitting here listening to some *roughs*
>> of
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> > tracking
>> >> >> >> > session I did Friday night. No compression, a very tiny bit
of
>> >> >> >subtractive
>> >> >> >> > EQ, a tiny touch of NoLimit on the mix bus. That's it. The
rest
>> of
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> > story
>> >> >> >> > is using the Paris EQ makeup gain and the fader gain stages
to
>> get
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> > *mixphat thing going*.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I swear guys.......this sounds better to my ears than all of
>the
>> >> >> >1,000,000
>> >> >> >> > gobazzillion plugin options I have available when using the
SX
>> rig
>> >> >> >during
>> >> >> >> > mixdown.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > It's pretty minimalist stuff to begin with......acoustic rythym
>> >> >guitar,
>> >&
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| Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59772 is a reply to message #59759] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 01:29 |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
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ke The Smiths, or the Clash) did not use that JCM800 =
type
marshall sound but often used cleaner sounds and less wall of guitar =
overdubs
for sure than say Foo Fighters or something of that nature. so it =
seems that
many of the LDC's or even 57's can sound pretty abrasive with them, =
but these
High Gain amos can sound cool for sure, the ribbon may be just the =
trick.,I
know the 121s do ok for this, but I do think they sound at tad murky =
too.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Dale and Cujo,
>Heres what I can tell you about the 46Ls:
>
>I haven't any ribbons to AB them with. My experience with
>Beyer M-160s was less than stellar so I am certainly biased.
>The information I got from Jon at Shiny Box is that the Lundahls =
make =3D
>the
>mics more clear from top to bottom. I know John Macy is preferring =
the
=3D
>standard
>46s over his Royer 121s on e. gtrs. I am going to hammer
>them tonight with some crunch guitars for yours and my benefit.
>I'll A-B them with a 57, 421 414 so you have some basis for my
>comments. I'll gain match too using the same pre.
>
>Maybe I'll post a short mp3 too. It's so subjective with all the =
=3D
>variables.
>I'll give you my gut feeling though.
>Tom
>
> "cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =3D
>news:4365146f$1@linux...
>
>
> I saw a pair of the SE ribbons at a dealer.=3D20
> They do look really well constructed, and I guess they are =
supposed to
=3D
>be
> a tad more airy than the Royer. They aint super cheap though as =
are =3D
>the shiny..
> I really do want to know about the diff in the tranny of the =
Shiny box
=3D
>mics,
> I am thinking a pair of these may fit the bill as room mics. Of =
course
=3D
>you
> afiten get what you pay for
> I also want to know how they sound on a crunchy master gain =
marshall.
>
> I heard a clip of DJ's gemini in action, how does the 5000 =
compare?
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I can't wait to give one of these SE ribbons a try. I'm very =3D
>impressed with
> >the SE stuff. We just used a matched pair of SE3's on some =
guitar =3D
>overdubs.
> >We compared them to a matched pair of Neumann KM 184's and a =
pair of
=3D
>AKG
> >C460B's before we committed to them. The SE3's sound great. I =
think
=3D
>this
> >company is hitting some home runs with some high quality =
products at
=3D
>very
> >good prices.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:4364187c$1@linux...
> >>
> >> A buncha questions about these "ShinyBox" mics I hear tell =
of....
> >>
> >> So how does the ShinyBox sound compared with Beyer M160 & =
Royer =3D
>(both
> of
> >> which I have used)? Does a $310 mic (46L) really outperform a =
=3D
>Royer?!?
> >>
> >> I just scanned the shinybox.com, but didn't see much =
description of
=3D
>the
> >practical
> >> difference between the 46, 46C, & 46L except about the =3D
>transformers. How
> >> are the spendier ones better?
> >>
> >> I don't suppose anyone has got one of the new SE Electronics =
Ribbon
=3D
>mics
> >> to report on? I have one of their tube mics (SE 5000) which I =
like
=3D
>a lot.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Dale
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Glad you like them, Tom. I think they are
> >> >a fantastic value. I use my 46's over my Royers
> >> >all the time, especially on electric guitars. I
> >> >know Darren Rahn for the group here got a pair
> >> >also and is verry pleased, too. Even the unmatched,
> >> >stock transformer 46's are pretty nice :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Had a project that called for tenor sax, vocals
> >> >>and a little egg shakin'.
> >> >>
> >> >>Used 'em on everything through the Precision 8
> >> >>with really great results.
> >> >>
> >> >>The best words to describe them are natural and not hyped.
> >> >>to remove the room coming off the backside of the figure 8.
> >> >>Vocals didn't need compression. I was singing and watching
> >> >>levels so that made this possible. They did seem slightly
> >> >>compressed sounding though. Even when the wave got
> >> >>squared off in Paris it didn't gack or even sound clipped.
> >> >>I rerecorded those spots because they looked bad...
> >> >>Odd but kinda cool. =3D3D20
> >> >>
> >> >>Vocals in the mix need lots of high end. Not a problem =
either.
> >> >>It was a disco thing with that sizzly sound that only a =
condensor
> >> >>should get. What I found was that these things took Paris' =
=3D
>eq=3D3D20
> >> >>sweetly. The esses didn't go over the edge and tone was =
smooth
> >> >>as silk. I did use La2a's across them at mixdown though. =
The =3D
>eggs
> >> >>recorded nicely and again sounded natural. One on each side =
of =3D
>the
> mic.
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D20
> >> >>
> >> >>These are the first ribbons I've used except for some Beyer =
M160s
=3D
>way
> =3D3D
> >> >>back.
> >> >>These are floating my boat right now. I think they will =
rock on
=3D
>brass
> >> =3D3D
> >> >>and=3D3D20
> >> >>crunch guitar. I'll find out about that when a 7 horn band =
comes
=3D
>in
> =3D3D
> >> >>soon.
> >> >>They needed a lot of gain. I was afraid to get any closer =
than =3D
>about
> 4"
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