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Comression - Limiting [message #82277] Thu, 29 March 2007 08:21 Go to next message
Stevehwan is currently offline  Stevehwan   
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Mannnn... Where do I start??? One of my biggest challenges has always been
having spikey looking wave files, and of course the L & R will look and sound
the same.
Re: Comression - Limiting [message #82281 is a reply to message #82277] Thu, 29 March 2007 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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Spikes are your friend...solid blocks are the devil's work

YMMV


"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message news:460bd961$1@linux...
>
> Mannnn... Where do I start??? One of my biggest challenges has always been
> having spikey looking wave files, and of course the L & R will look and
> sound
> the same.
Re: Comression - Limiting [message #82282 is a reply to message #82281] Thu, 29 March 2007 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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awwww.....c'mon.......thos big fat squarewave lookin' catepillars can't be
all bad. Just look at any master that has been done in the last 6 years or
so (just don't listen too close or too long).

;o)

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:460bdefb@linux...
> Spikes are your friend...solid blocks are the devil's work
>
> YMMV
>
>
> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:460bd961$1@linux...
>>
>> Mannnn... Where do I start??? One of my biggest challenges has always
>> been
>> having spikey looking wave files, and of course the L & R will look and
>> sound
>> the same.
>
>
Re: Comression - Limiting [message #82285 is a reply to message #82282] Thu, 29 March 2007 09:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stevehwan is currently offline  Stevehwan   
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DJ, any tips??

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>awwww.....c'mon.......thos big fat squarewave lookin' catepillars can't
be
>all bad. Just look at any master that has been done in the last 6 years
or
>so (just don't listen too close or too long).
>
>;o)
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:460bdefb@linux...
>> Spikes are your friend...solid blocks are the devil's work
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>>
>> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:460bd961$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Mannnn... Where do I start??? One of my biggest challenges has always

>>> been
>>> having spikey looking wave files, and of course the L & R will look and

>>> sound
>>> the same.
>>
>>
>
>
Q Re: Comression - Limiting [message #82290 is a reply to message #82285] Thu, 29 March 2007 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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What are you looking for, fidelity and dynamic range or loudness? You will
sacrifice one for the other in the end. However, if your program material
tends to lend itself to midrangey'ness (and what program material doesn't?)
and you've gotta' have *loud*, then RMS normalization or judicious limiting
with as transparent a limiter as possible is where you're going to need to
go eventually. This is in the realm of the mastering guys. I'd suggest
pinging DC or Sakis on this. They've got a better handle on it than I do.
The way I do it here involves meticulous attention to getting as much
balance as I possibly can in the mix so that when I apply the limiter don't
have to EQ my two track until it gets *really* loud, then compensating for
the loss of top end by using as much subtractive EQ as possible (or a
multiband comp) to bring it back into line (which doesn't always work) and
then, once I get my *air* back into the mix, applying another limiter at the
end of the chain to catch any overs that might be happening because the
subtractive EQ, etc., didn't give me what I need and I had to boost some
things to get the top back, then adjusting the EQ and limiting yet again
because the limiter that I put at the end of the chain started *messin' with
the top* that I was able to create with the EQ/multiband, etc . After a
while, I can usually end up with a stereo master that sounds enough like my
mix, but *MUCH LOUDER that I'm happy with it because it will jump out of the
speakers and stand up on it's hind legs and bark with the other dogs, but
kind of loudness fatigues my ears after a while (but all masters seem to do
this to me these days though) this is probably why I'm not a mastering
engineer and someone else is. Also, I have to take into account (and
convince the client) that he may not want this master to be quite as loud as
he thinks because if it ever gets airplay, there will be more
compression/limiting done at broadcast time and it's liable to just sound
like a dronetone if we squeeze it to death before it gets to that stage.

I much prefer to work with clients who don't mind turning up the volume on
their stereo to achieve loud.........but that just ain't *radio ready* these
days.

;o)

"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message news:460befec@linux...
>
> DJ, any tips??
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>awwww.....c'mon.......thos big fat squarewave lookin' catepillars can't
> be
>>all bad. Just look at any master that has been done in the last 6 years
> or
>>so (just don't listen too close or too long).
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:460bdefb@linux...
>>> Spikes are your friend...solid blocks are the devil's work
>>>
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>>
>>> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:460bd961$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Mannnn... Where do I start??? One of my biggest challenges has always
>
>>>> been
>>>> having spikey looking wave files, and of course the L & R will look and
>
>>>> sound
>>>> the same.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Q Re: Comression - Limiting [message #82300 is a reply to message #82290] Thu, 29 March 2007 12:35 Go to previous message
Graham Duncan is currently offline  Graham Duncan   UNITED STATES
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> I much prefer to work with clients who don't mind turning up the volume on
> their stereo to achieve loud.........but that just ain't *radio ready* these
> days.

LOL, actually, that IS *radio ready*, because it will sound so much
bigger after going through the broadcasting chain. Good luck convincing
clients that, though! You might ask them their favorite radio tunes
from the 70s, 80s or early 90s... and actually listen to them on the
radio next to current productions on the radio. That might actually
work! Mixes with dynamics left intact really do sound better on the
radio...

:)

Graham
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