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| Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90279] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 07:53  |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use to track/record
straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my 8in cards.
For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer SL3242
(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels on
the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct outs
(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the Sub 1
thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels within
the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so low.
I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each .paf file
after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except again
the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for this
reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to use it...
Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use a preamp
between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt my
levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of those
all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities are
limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry but
$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months of
savings to me...
Anyone?
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90295 is a reply to message #90294] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 10:32  |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi Erlilo,
That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that... I
just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That is
the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll check
those now that I remember that they are on there.
erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>
>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>
>Erling
>
>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use to
track/record
>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my 8in
cards.
>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer SL3242
>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
on
>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct outs
>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the Sub
1
>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels within
>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so low.
>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each .paf
file
>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except again
>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for this
>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to use
it...
>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use a preamp
>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt my
>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of those
>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities are
>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>
>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
but
>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months of
>>savings to me...
>>
>>Anyone?
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90296 is a reply to message #90295] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 10:42 |
pauln[2]
Messages: 28
Registered: September 2007
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If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp signals
from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
the input level setting in the patch bay.
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
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>Hi Erlilo,
>
> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that... I
>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That is
>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>
> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
check
>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>
>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>
>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use to
>track/record
>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my 8in
>cards.
>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
SL3242
>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>on
>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct outs
>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the Sub
>1
>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels within
>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so low.
>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each .paf
>file
>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except again
>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for this
>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to use
>it...
>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use a
preamp
>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
my
>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of those
>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities are
>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>
>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>but
>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
of
>>>savings to me...
>>>
>>>Anyone?
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90298 is a reply to message #90296] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 11:30 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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Paul,
Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and I
am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure how
to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but I
thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
these as direct outs.
Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into channel
1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
signals
>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Erlilo,
>>
>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
I
>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
is
>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>
>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>check
>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>
>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>
>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
to
>>track/record
>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my 8in
>>cards.
>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>SL3242
>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>on
>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
outs
>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the Sub
>>1
>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels within
>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so low.
>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each .paf
>>file
>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except again
>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
this
>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to use
>>it...
>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use a
>preamp
>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>my
>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
those
>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
are
>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>
>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>>but
>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>of
>>>>savings to me...
>>>>
>>>>Anyone?
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90299 is a reply to message #90296] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 11:33 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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My first thought as well.
"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
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>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
signals
>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Erlilo,
>>
>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
I
>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
is
>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>
>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>check
>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>
>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>
>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
to
>>track/record
>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my 8in
>>cards.
>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>SL3242
>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>on
>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
outs
>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the Sub
>>1
>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels within
>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so low.
>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each .paf
>>file
>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except again
>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
this
>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to use
>>it...
>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use a
>preamp
>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>my
>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
those
>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
are
>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>
>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>>but
>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>of
>>>>savings to me...
>>>>
>>>>Anyone?
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90300 is a reply to message #90298] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 11:37 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for external
FX.
The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like. just
use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall correctly
on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it all
the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Paul,
>
> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
I
>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
how
>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>
> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but I
>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>these as direct outs.
>
> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into channel
>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>
>
>
>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>signals
>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>
>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>I
>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>is
>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>
>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>>check
>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>
>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>
>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>
>>>>Erling
>>>>
>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>to
>>>track/record
>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my 8in
>>>cards.
>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>SL3242
>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>on
>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>outs
>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the Sub
>>>1
>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels within
>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
low.
>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each .paf
>>>file
>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except again
>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>this
>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to use
>>>it...
>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
a
>>preamp
>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>>my
>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>those
>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>are
>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>>>but
>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>of
>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone?
>>>
>>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90302 is a reply to message #90300] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 11:48 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
not words... lol. The manual states:
"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects processor
end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
ring interconnected)."
I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single black
side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4 input
and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for external
>FX.
>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like. just
>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall correctly
>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it all
>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>Paul,
>>
>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>I
>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>how
>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>
>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
I
>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>these as direct outs.
>>
>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
channel
>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>
>>
>>
>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>signals
>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>
>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>
>>I
>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>is
>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>>>check
>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>
>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>
>>>>>Erling
>>>>>
>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>to
>>>>track/record
>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
8in
>>>>cards.
>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>SL3242
>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>on
>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>outs
>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
Sub
>>>>1
>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
within
>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>low.
>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
.paf
>>>>file
>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
again
>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>this
>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
use
>>>>it...
>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>a
>>>preamp
>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>>>my
>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>those
>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>are
>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>>>>but
>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>of
>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90307 is a reply to message #90302] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 11:57 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
will then go into the second ring and stop.
with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
the tip wired end into the mixer.
On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>not words... lol. The manual states:
>
>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects processor
>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>ring interconnected)."
>
>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single black
>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4 input
>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for external
>>FX.
>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like. just
>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall correctly
>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it all
>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Paul,
>>>
>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>I
>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>how
>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>
>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>I
>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>>these as direct outs.
>>>
>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>channel
>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>signals
>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>
>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>
>>>I
>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>is
>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>>>>check
>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>
>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>>to
>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>8in
>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>on
>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>outs
>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>Sub
>>>>>1
>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>within
>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>>low.
>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>paf
>>>>>file
>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>again
>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>>this
>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>use
>>>>>it...
>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>a
>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>>>>my
>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>>those
>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>are
>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>>>>>but
>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>of
>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90309 is a reply to message #90307] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 12:49 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Hi Rick,
I think I follow and I'll have to play with it when I get home from work...
this is kinda relieving to know I can use the inserts for direct outs.
As I was googling about this I see Hosa makes a special cable for this
purpose. The HOS-106. But I see they only come in 6". Sheezuz! Could
they spare the wire? They don't make anything longer and my Paris sits about
4 foot away from the mixer. How could anyone make use of a 1 foot cable
unless the records is sitting on top of the mixer... I guess a patchbay
might do the trick, but what a hassle that would be. Ten bucks a piece time
24... $240 just for these 1 foot cables... Hmmmm...
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>will then go into the second ring and stop.
>
>with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>the tip wired end into the mixer.
>
>On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>
>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
For
>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
processor
>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>ring interconnected)."
>>
>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
black
>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
it
>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
input
>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
external
>>>FX.
>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
just
>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
correctly
>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
all
>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>>I
>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>how
>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
the
>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>
>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>I
>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
use
>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>channel
>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>>signals
>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
cable
>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>>is
>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
I'll
>>>>>check
>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
can
>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
use
>>>>to
>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>>8in
>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>Sub
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>within
>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
so
>>>low.
>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>paf
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>again
>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
inappropriate
>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
better
>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
for
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>>use
>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>>a
>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
hurt
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
of
>>>>those
>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
Sorry
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90313 is a reply to message #90309] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:35 |
Rich[3]
Messages: 132
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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The one Click will work for you - don't waste the money on the cables - it's
a standard thing with mixers and you can feel the click so it's easy to tell...
Not sure how well the Beringer will do as a front end though....
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Rick,
>
> I think I follow and I'll have to play with it when I get home from work...
> this is kinda relieving to know I can use the inserts for direct outs.
>
> As I was googling about this I see Hosa makes a special cable for this
>purpose. The HOS-106. But I see they only come in 6". Sheezuz! Could
>they spare the wire? They don't make anything longer and my Paris sits
about
>4 foot away from the mixer. How could anyone make use of a 1 foot cable
>unless the records is sitting on top of the mixer... I guess a patchbay
>might do the trick, but what a hassle that would be. Ten bucks a piece
time
>24... $240 just for these 1 foot cables... Hmmmm...
>
>
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>
>>with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>
>>On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>
>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
>For
>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>processor
>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>
>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>black
>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>input
>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>external
>>>>FX.
>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>just
>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>correctly
>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>all
>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
and
>>>>I
>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>>how
>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>>I
>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>channel
>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>>>signals
>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>cable
>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
direct
>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
That
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>I'll
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
>use
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
my
>>>8in
>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>>Sub
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>paf
>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>again
>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>better
>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>direct
>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
to
>>>use
>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>hurt
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>Sorry
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90314 is a reply to message #90307] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:53 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris. I
can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting to
control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>
> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>
> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>diagrams,
>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>
>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>processor
>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>ring interconnected)."
>>
>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>black
>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>input
>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>external
>>>FX.
>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>just
>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>correctly
>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>all
>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>>I
>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>how
>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>
>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>I
>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>> Channel's
>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>channel
>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>preamp
>>>>signals
>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>>>>>cable
>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>checking
>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>>is
>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>check
>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>>>to
>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>>8in
>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>Sub
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>within
>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>>>low.
>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>paf
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>again
>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>>use
>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>>a
>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>>>those
>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90361 is a reply to message #90314] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 11:34 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
I
>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
to
>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>
Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
I hope this helps.
James
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>
>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>
>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>diagrams,
>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>
>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
For
>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>>processor
>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>
>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>>black
>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
it
>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>>input
>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>>external
>>>>FX.
>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>>just
>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>>correctly
>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>>all
>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
and
>>>>I
>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>>how
>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
the
>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>>I
>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
use
>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>channel
>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>signals
>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
That
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
can
>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
use
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
my
>>>8in
>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>>Sub
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
so
>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>paf
>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>again
>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
for
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
to
>>>use
>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
of
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90362 is a reply to message #90361] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 11:38 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>
>>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
> I
>>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>
>>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
>to
>>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>
>>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>>
>
>Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
>knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>James
>
I believe on a Behringer it is called Mic GAIN, not trim.
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>>
>>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>>
>>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>>diagrams,
>>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>>
>>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
> For
>>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>
>>>>processor
>>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip
and
>>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>>
>>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>
>>>>black
>>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>
>>>>input
>>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>
>>>>>external
>>>>>FX.
>>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>
>>>>>just
>>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>
>>>>>correctly
>>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click
it
>
>>>>>all
>>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
>and
>>>>>I
>>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not
sure
>>>>>how
>>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert,
but
>>>>I
>>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>>channel
>>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>signals
>>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>
>>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
>That
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok?
I
>use
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
>my
>>>>8in
>>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use
the
>>>>Sub
>>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>>within
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>>paf
>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>>again
>>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>
>>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>
>>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>
>>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
>to
>>>>use
>>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
>use
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>
>>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90365 is a reply to message #90300] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 11:48 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
not words... lol. The manual states:
"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects processor
end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
ring interconnected)."
I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single black
side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4 input
and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for external
>FX.
>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like. just
>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall correctly
>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it all
>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>Paul,
>>
>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>I
>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>how
>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>
>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
I
>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>these as direct outs.
>>
>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
channel
>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>
>>
>>
>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>signals
>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>
>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>
>>I
>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>is
>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>>>check
>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>
>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>
>>>>>Erling
>>>>>
>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>to
>>>>track/record
>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
8in
>>>>cards.
>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>SL3242
>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>on
>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>outs
>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
Sub
>>>>1
>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
within
>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>low.
>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
.paf
>>>>file
>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
again
>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>this
>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
use
>>>>it...
>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>a
>>>preamp
>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>>>my
>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>those
>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>are
>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>>>>but
>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>of
>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90370 is a reply to message #90302] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 11:57 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
will then go into the second ring and stop.
with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
the tip wired end into the mixer.
On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>not words... lol. The manual states:
>
>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects processor
>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>ring interconnected)."
>
>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single black
>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4 input
>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for external
>>FX.
>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like. just
>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall correctly
>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it all
>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Paul,
>>>
>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>I
>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>how
>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>
>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>I
>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>>these as direct outs.
>>>
>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>channel
>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>signals
>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>
>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>
>>>I
>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>is
>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>>>>check
>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>
>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>>to
>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>8in
>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>on
>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>outs
>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>Sub
>>>>>1
>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>within
>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>>low.
>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>paf
>>>>>file
>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>again
>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>>this
>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>use
>>>>>it...
>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>a
>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>>>>my
>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>>those
>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>are
>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>>>>>but
>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>of
>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90372 is a reply to message #90307] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 12:49 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Hi Rick,
I think I follow and I'll have to play with it when I get home from work...
this is kinda relieving to know I can use the inserts for direct outs.
As I was googling about this I see Hosa makes a special cable for this
purpose. The HOS-106. But I see they only come in 6". Sheezuz! Could
they spare the wire? They don't make anything longer and my Paris sits about
4 foot away from the mixer. How could anyone make use of a 1 foot cable
unless the records is sitting on top of the mixer... I guess a patchbay
might do the trick, but what a hassle that would be. Ten bucks a piece time
24... $240 just for these 1 foot cables... Hmmmm...
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>will then go into the second ring and stop.
>
>with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>the tip wired end into the mixer.
>
>On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>
>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
For
>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
processor
>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>ring interconnected)."
>>
>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
black
>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
it
>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
input
>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
external
>>>FX.
>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
just
>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
correctly
>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
all
>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>>I
>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>how
>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
the
>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>
>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>I
>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
use
>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>channel
>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>>signals
>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
cable
>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>>is
>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
I'll
>>>>>check
>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
can
>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
use
>>>>to
>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>>8in
>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>Sub
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>within
>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
so
>>>low.
>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>paf
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>again
>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
inappropriate
>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
better
>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
for
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>>use
>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>>a
>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
hurt
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
of
>>>>those
>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
Sorry
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90376 is a reply to message #90309] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:35 |
Rich[3]
Messages: 132
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
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The one Click will work for you - don't waste the money on the cables - it's
a standard thing with mixers and you can feel the click so it's easy to tell...
Not sure how well the Beringer will do as a front end though....
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Rick,
>
> I think I follow and I'll have to play with it when I get home from work...
> this is kinda relieving to know I can use the inserts for direct outs.
>
> As I was googling about this I see Hosa makes a special cable for this
>purpose. The HOS-106. But I see they only come in 6". Sheezuz! Could
>they spare the wire? They don't make anything longer and my Paris sits
about
>4 foot away from the mixer. How could anyone make use of a 1 foot cable
>unless the records is sitting on top of the mixer... I guess a patchbay
>might do the trick, but what a hassle that would be. Ten bucks a piece
time
>24... $240 just for these 1 foot cables... Hmmmm...
>
>
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>
>>with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>
>>On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>
>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
>For
>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>processor
>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>
>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>black
>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>input
>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>external
>>>>FX.
>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>just
>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>correctly
>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>all
>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
and
>>>>I
>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>>how
>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>>I
>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>channel
>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>>>signals
>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>cable
>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
direct
>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
That
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>I'll
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
>use
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
my
>>>8in
>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>>Sub
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>paf
>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>again
>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>better
>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>direct
>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
to
>>>use
>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>hurt
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>Sorry
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90377 is a reply to message #90307] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:53 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris. I
can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting to
control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>
> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>
> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>diagrams,
>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>
>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>processor
>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>ring interconnected)."
>>
>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>black
>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>input
>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>external
>>>FX.
>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>just
>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>correctly
>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>all
>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>>I
>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>how
>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>
>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>I
>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>> Channel's
>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>channel
>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>preamp
>>>>signals
>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>>>>>cable
>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>checking
>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>>is
>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>check
>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>>>to
>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>>8in
>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>Sub
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>within
>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>>>low.
>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>paf
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>again
>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>>use
>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>>a
>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>>>those
>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90424 is a reply to message #90314] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 11:34 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
I
>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
to
>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>
Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
I hope this helps.
James
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>
>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>
>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>diagrams,
>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>
>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
For
>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>>processor
>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>
>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>>black
>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
it
>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>>input
>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>>external
>>>>FX.
>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>>just
>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>>correctly
>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>>all
>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
and
>>>>I
>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>>how
>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
the
>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>>I
>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
use
>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>channel
>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>signals
>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
That
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
can
>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
use
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
my
>>>8in
>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>>Sub
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
so
>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>paf
>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>again
>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
for
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
to
>>>use
>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
of
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90425 is a reply to message #90361] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 11:38 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>
>>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
> I
>>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>
>>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
>to
>>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>
>>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>>
>
>Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
>knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>James
>
I believe on a Behringer it is called Mic GAIN, not trim.
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>>
>>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>>
>>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>>diagrams,
>>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>>
>>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
> For
>>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>
>>>>processor
>>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip
and
>>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>>
>>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>
>>>>black
>>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>
>>>>input
>>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>
>>>>>external
>>>>>FX.
>>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>
>>>>>just
>>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>
>>>>>correctly
>>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click
it
>
>>>>>all
>>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
>and
>>>>>I
>>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not
sure
>>>>>how
>>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert,
but
>>>>I
>>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>>channel
>>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>signals
>>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>
>>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
>That
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok?
I
>use
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
>my
>>>>8in
>>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use
the
>>>>Sub
>>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>>within
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>>paf
>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>>again
>>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>
>>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>
>>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>
>>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
>to
>>>>use
>>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
>use
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>
>>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90428 is a reply to message #90302] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 11:57 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
will then go into the second ring and stop.
with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
the tip wired end into the mixer.
On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>not words... lol. The manual states:
>
>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects processor
>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>ring interconnected)."
>
>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single black
>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4 input
>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for external
>>FX.
>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like. just
>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall correctly
>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it all
>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Paul,
>>>
>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>I
>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>how
>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>
>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>I
>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>>these as direct outs.
>>>
>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>channel
>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>signals
>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>
>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>
>>>I
>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>is
>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>>>>check
>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>
>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>>to
>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>8in
>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>on
>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>outs
>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>Sub
>>>>>1
>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>within
>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>>low.
>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>paf
>>>>>file
>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>again
>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>>this
>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>use
>>>>>it...
>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>a
>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>>>>my
>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>>those
>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>are
>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>>>>>but
>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>of
>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90430 is a reply to message #90307] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 12:49 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Hi Rick,
I think I follow and I'll have to play with it when I get home from work...
this is kinda relieving to know I can use the inserts for direct outs.
As I was googling about this I see Hosa makes a special cable for this
purpose. The HOS-106. But I see they only come in 6". Sheezuz! Could
they spare the wire? They don't make anything longer and my Paris sits about
4 foot away from the mixer. How could anyone make use of a 1 foot cable
unless the records is sitting on top of the mixer... I guess a patchbay
might do the trick, but what a hassle that would be. Ten bucks a piece time
24... $240 just for these 1 foot cables... Hmmmm...
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>will then go into the second ring and stop.
>
>with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>the tip wired end into the mixer.
>
>On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>
>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
For
>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
processor
>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>ring interconnected)."
>>
>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
black
>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
it
>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
input
>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
external
>>>FX.
>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
just
>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
correctly
>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
all
>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>>I
>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>how
>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
the
>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>
>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>I
>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
use
>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>channel
>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>>signals
>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
cable
>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>>is
>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
I'll
>>>>>check
>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
can
>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
use
>>>>to
>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>>8in
>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>Sub
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>within
>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
so
>>>low.
>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>paf
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>again
>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
inappropriate
>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
better
>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
for
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>>use
>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>>a
>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
hurt
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
of
>>>>those
>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
Sorry
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90434 is a reply to message #90309] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:35 |
Rich[3]
Messages: 132
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
The one Click will work for you - don't waste the money on the cables - it's
a standard thing with mixers and you can feel the click so it's easy to tell...
Not sure how well the Beringer will do as a front end though....
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Rick,
>
> I think I follow and I'll have to play with it when I get home from work...
> this is kinda relieving to know I can use the inserts for direct outs.
>
> As I was googling about this I see Hosa makes a special cable for this
>purpose. The HOS-106. But I see they only come in 6". Sheezuz! Could
>they spare the wire? They don't make anything longer and my Paris sits
about
>4 foot away from the mixer. How could anyone make use of a 1 foot cable
>unless the records is sitting on top of the mixer... I guess a patchbay
>might do the trick, but what a hassle that would be. Ten bucks a piece
time
>24... $240 just for these 1 foot cables... Hmmmm...
>
>
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>
>>with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>
>>On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>
>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
>For
>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>processor
>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>
>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>black
>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>input
>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>external
>>>>FX.
>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>just
>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>correctly
>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>all
>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
and
>>>>I
>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>>how
>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>>I
>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>channel
>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>>>signals
>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>cable
>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
direct
>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
That
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>I'll
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
>use
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
my
>>>8in
>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>>Sub
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>paf
>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>again
>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>better
>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>direct
>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
to
>>>use
>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>hurt
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>Sorry
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90435 is a reply to message #90307] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:53 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris. I
can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting to
control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>
> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>
> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>diagrams,
>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>
>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>processor
>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>ring interconnected)."
>>
>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>black
>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>input
>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>external
>>>FX.
>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>just
>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>correctly
>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>all
>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>>I
>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>how
>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>
>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>I
>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>> Channel's
>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>channel
>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>preamp
>>>>signals
>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>>>>>cable
>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>checking
>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>>is
>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>check
>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>>>to
>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>>8in
>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>Sub
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>within
>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>>>low.
>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>paf
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>again
>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>>use
>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>>a
>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>>>those
>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90482 is a reply to message #90314] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 11:34 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
I
>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
to
>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>
Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
I hope this helps.
James
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>
>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>
>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>diagrams,
>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>
>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
For
>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>>processor
>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>
>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>>black
>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
it
>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>>input
>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>>external
>>>>FX.
>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>>just
>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>>correctly
>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>>all
>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
and
>>>>I
>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>>how
>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
the
>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>>I
>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
use
>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>channel
>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>signals
>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
That
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
can
>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
use
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
my
>>>8in
>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>>Sub
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
so
>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>paf
>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>again
>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
for
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
to
>>>use
>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
of
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90483 is a reply to message #90361] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 11:38 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>
>>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
> I
>>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>
>>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
>to
>>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>
>>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>>
>
>Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
>knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>James
>
I believe on a Behringer it is called Mic GAIN, not trim.
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>>
>>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>>
>>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>>diagrams,
>>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>>
>>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
> For
>>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>
>>>>processor
>>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip
and
>>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>>
>>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>
>>>>black
>>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>
>>>>input
>>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>
>>>>>external
>>>>>FX.
>>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>
>>>>>just
>>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>
>>>>>correctly
>>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click
it
>
>>>>>all
>>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
>and
>>>>>I
>>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not
sure
>>>>>how
>>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert,
but
>>>>I
>>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>>channel
>>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>signals
>>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>
>>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
>That
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok?
I
>use
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
>my
>>>>8in
>>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use
the
>>>>Sub
>>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>>within
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>>paf
>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>>again
>>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>
>>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>
>>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>
>>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
>to
>>>>use
>>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
>use
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>
>>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90488 is a reply to message #90309] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:35 |
Rich[3]
Messages: 132
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
The one Click will work for you - don't waste the money on the cables - it's
a standard thing with mixers and you can feel the click so it's easy to tell...
Not sure how well the Beringer will do as a front end though....
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Rick,
>
> I think I follow and I'll have to play with it when I get home from work...
> this is kinda relieving to know I can use the inserts for direct outs.
>
> As I was googling about this I see Hosa makes a special cable for this
>purpose. The HOS-106. But I see they only come in 6". Sheezuz! Could
>they spare the wire? They don't make anything longer and my Paris sits
about
>4 foot away from the mixer. How could anyone make use of a 1 foot cable
>unless the records is sitting on top of the mixer... I guess a patchbay
>might do the trick, but what a hassle that would be. Ten bucks a piece
time
>24... $240 just for these 1 foot cables... Hmmmm...
>
>
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>
>>with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>
>>On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a diagrams,
>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>
>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
>For
>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>processor
>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>
>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>black
>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>input
>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>external
>>>>FX.
>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>just
>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>correctly
>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>all
>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
and
>>>>I
>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>>how
>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>>I
>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>channel
>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
>>>>>signals
>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>cable
>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
direct
>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
That
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>I'll
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
>use
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
my
>>>8in
>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>>Sub
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>paf
>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>again
>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>better
>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>direct
>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
to
>>>use
>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>hurt
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>Sorry
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90489 is a reply to message #90307] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:53 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris. I
can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting to
control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>
> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>
> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>diagrams,
>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>
>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>processor
>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>ring interconnected)."
>>
>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>black
>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>input
>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>external
>>>FX.
>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>just
>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>correctly
>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>all
>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>>I
>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>how
>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>
>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>I
>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>> Channel's
>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>channel
>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>preamp
>>>>signals
>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>>>>>cable
>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>checking
>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
>>>>is
>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>check
>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
>>>>to
>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my
>>8in
>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>Sub
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>within
>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so
>>>low.
>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>paf
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>again
>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to
>>use
>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>>a
>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>>>those
>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
|
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90536 is a reply to message #90314] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 11:34 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
I
>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
to
>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>
Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
I hope this helps.
James
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>
>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>
>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>diagrams,
>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>
>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
For
>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>>processor
>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>
>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>>black
>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
it
>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>>input
>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>>external
>>>>FX.
>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>>just
>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>>correctly
>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>>all
>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
and
>>>>I
>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>>how
>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
the
>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>>I
>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
use
>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>channel
>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>signals
>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
That
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
can
>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I
use
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
my
>>>8in
>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the
>>>Sub
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
so
>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>paf
>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>again
>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
for
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
to
>>>use
>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
of
>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90537 is a reply to message #90361] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 11:38 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>
>>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
> I
>>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>
>>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
>to
>>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>
>>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>>
>
>Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
>knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>James
>
I believe on a Behringer it is called Mic GAIN, not trim.
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>>
>>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>>
>>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>>diagrams,
>>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>>
>>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
> For
>>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>
>>>>processor
>>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip
and
>>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>>
>>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>
>>>>black
>>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>
>>>>input
>>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>
>>>>>external
>>>>>FX.
>>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>
>>>>>just
>>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>
>>>>>correctly
>>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click
it
>
>>>>>all
>>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
>and
>>>>>I
>>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not
sure
>>>>>how
>>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert,
but
>>>>I
>>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>>channel
>>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>signals
>>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>
>>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
>That
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok?
I
>use
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
>my
>>>>8in
>>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use
the
>>>>Sub
>>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>>within
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>>paf
>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>>again
>>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>
>>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>
>>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>
>>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
>to
>>>>use
>>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
>use
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>
>>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90591 is a reply to message #90361] |
Wed, 26 September 2007 06:17 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi James,
I think you are right about the "trim" level, but I need more control than
that. I have 24 channels and many of them are mic'd (esp. the drums). Since
the MUTE button and the level slider doesn't work, I don't have a easy way
to mute a channel when it is recording... otherwise, I'd have to turn down
each channel's trim just to record... say one channel of acoustic that is
mic'd. Soooooo disappointing.
Someone said that this model may not be a good "front-end". I think I
am starting to believe that. I was going to purchase the Yamaha 24 channel
mixer and saved me a few hundred and got the Behringer... I should slap
myself for not checking to be sure it didn't have "direct outs" like my other
smaller 16 channel Behringer mixer. The blurb in their manual claims you
can use the i/o inserts as direct outs... but they fail to tell you that
it is really direct! No controls! Why on earth would they make such a sophisticated
large format mixer like this without decent direct outs for each channel?
Stoopid!
And I am perplexed as to why I can't get decent levels going out of the 4
subs. The channels are super loud in the main mix, but coming out of the
subs to Paris is terrible. I have had mixers with these 4 sub groups out,
but never messed with them until now... how disappointing!
When I get time to spend playing around, I am gonna try to see if I can figure
out how to increase the levels within Paris for my 8in card inputs to get
a better signal(s). If that don't work, I am gonna put a cheap 4-channel
preamp between them and see if that works... Right now I have channels 23
and 24 reserved for the Paris playback... I have it cranked almost max to
get good levels to hear the playback to record... but still the levels on
the channels being track (main mix) are over-powering the playback. I am
worried that if I increase the recorded tracks, they will spoil the Paris
levels coming back in the mixer for play back even more.
Grrrrrr.... I thought this was suppose to be easy.... lol. I feel like
I am living in the 70's with 2 cassette recorders to multi-track... .lol.
What brand/model or device is others using for playing live and wanting to
track like me? As a front-end?
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>Ok... I hooked it up as said and it is not gonna work for me... I have
>
>>absolutely no controls on the mixer for the channel being sent to Paris.
> I
>>can't control the levels or anything... it is what it is! I am getting
>
>>better levels, but I have to control the levels in Paris. I am wanting
>to
>>control the levels at the mixer AND Paris... I am not sure that is possible
>
>>with these i/o inserts on the mixer... How depressing....
>>
>
>Ed, you should be able to set the level going in to Paris with the Mic trim
>knob on the Behringer. That is usually the top knob.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>James
>
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
>>> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
>>> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
>>> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>>>
>>> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
>>> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
>>> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>>>
>>> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>>>diagrams,
>>>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>>>
>>>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption.
> For
>>>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>
>>>>processor
>>>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip
and
>>>>ring interconnected)."
>>>>
>>>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>
>>>>black
>>>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end...
> it
>>>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>
>>>>input
>>>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>
>>>>>external
>>>>>FX.
>>>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>
>>>>>just
>>>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>
>>>>>correctly
>>>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click
it
>
>>>>>all
>>>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs
>and
>>>>>I
>>>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not
sure
>>>>>how
>>>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at
>the
>>>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert,
but
>>>>I
>>>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could
>use
>>>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>>>> Channel's
>>>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>>>channel
>>>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>signals
>>>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4
>
>>>>>>>cable
>>>>>>>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on
>>>>>>>checking
>>>>>>>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Erlilo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no
>
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer...
>That
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and
>
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You
>can
>>>>>>>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>>>>>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok?
I
>use
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>track/record
>>>>>>>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into
>my
>>>>8in
>>>>>>>>cards.
>>>>>>>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a
>>>>>>>>>> behringer
>>>>>>>SL3242
>>>>>>>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2
>>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
>>>>>>outs
>>>>>>>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use
the
>>>>Sub
>>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels
>>>>within
>>>>>>>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is
>so
>>>>>low.
>>>>>>>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each
>>>>paf
>>>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except
>>>>again
>>>>>>>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
>
>>>>>>>>>>inappropriate
>>>>>>>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need
>
>>>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except
>for
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have
>
>>>>>>>>>>direct
>>>>>>>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but
>to
>>>>use
>>>>>>>>it...
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I
>use
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>
>>>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one
>of
>>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris and Behringer Mixer [message #90624 is a reply to message #90591] |
Wed, 26 September 2007 22:01 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:46fa5be0$1@linux...
> And I am perplexed as to why I can't get decent levels going out of the 4
> subs. The channels are super loud in the main mix, but coming out of the
> subs to Paris is terrible. I have had mixers with these 4 sub groups out,
> but never messed with them until now... how disappointing!
It's an old trick. Attenuate the subs and bump the master back up by the
same amount so the subs don't run out of headroom.
> When I get time to spend playing around, I am gonna try to see if I can
> figure
> out how to increase the levels within Paris for my 8in card inputs to get
> a better signal(s).
Try the -10 setting, if that even doesn't get it make sure you're using
balanced cables, and that the mixer supports that.
If that don't work, I am gonna put a cheap 4-channel
> preamp between them and see if that works...
What you'll end up with is a lot of noise doing this.
Right now I have channels 23
> and 24 reserved for the Paris playback... I have it cranked almost max to
> get good levels to hear the playback to record... but still the levels on
> the channels being track (main mix) are over-powering the playback. I am
> worried that if I increase the recorded tracks, they will spoil the Paris
> levels coming back in the mixer for play back even more.
Paris has huge balls and tons of headroom. Cheap mixers don't, so this is
probably a losing battle from end to end my friend.
>
> Grrrrrr.... I thought this was suppose to be easy.... lol. I feel like
> I am living in the 70's with 2 cassette recorders to multi-track... .lol.
>
> What brand/model or device is others using for playing live and wanting to
> track like me? As a front-end?
mixture of A/D/A rack units (feeding/fed by lightpipe), rack mount stereo
preamps, mixer inserts.
I don't use channel direct outs to record, I feel that in infringes
cumulatively on the clarity to run all the extra circuitry.
FWIW,
AA
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