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| Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62625] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 09:37  |
uptown jimmy
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Wow.
I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know? Too
negative.
But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and ran
across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the thread
just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini baiting
them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his own ego
and silly puckishness.
I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously anymore. If
the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because of
its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but a
position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound and the
style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an empty
fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
Sorry for the rant.
Jimmy
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62629 is a reply to message #62625] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 10:54  |
Deej [1]
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I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really liked
enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count the
bands on the fingers of one hand.....and there would perhaps only be one,
maybe two songs on the CD that were worth a shit, IMO. They just sort of
morph into this sonic morass of over compressed, boring crap.
OTOH, some of the absolute best music I've ever heard in the last 5 years
happens at a little event here in Durango called the Durango Songwriters
Expo.
www.durangosong.com
It's limited to around 150 people who pay around $200.00 plus airfare to get
here in order to hobnob with industry bigwigs who purportedly come here to
listen to and critique their music and give them pointers on how to be
successful in the industry, but everyone knows that everyone really just
come here to chill at a luxury resort in the mountains in the most beautiful
time of year here (early Ocotber) and play golf between meals and party like
a bunch of heathens for 3 nights..
A lot of the participants have home studios, are excellent
producers/writers/musicians and their music kicks ass. We'll never get a
chance to hear it on the radio, but there's a lot of it out there and it's
great stuff. I do sound for this event and look forward to it every year
because I get to hear some incredible music.
One CD that I need to buy is Thad's. For some reason, I just haven't gotten
around to it, but I did listen to some of the song clips and it's something
I think I would actually enjoy sitting down and spending some quality time
with........and I just don't have a lot of that to spare these days.
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:43bffcdc@linux...
> Wow.
>
> I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know? Too
> negative.
>
> But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and ran
> across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
> concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
>
> It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
> cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the
thread
> just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini baiting
> them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his own
ego
> and silly puckishness.
>
> I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
>
> I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously anymore.
If
> the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
> choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because of
> its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but a
> position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
> generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound and
the
> style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an empty
> fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
>
> Sorry for the rant.
> Jimmy
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62634 is a reply to message #62625] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 13:18 |
Don Nafe
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"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:43bffcdc@linux...
> Wow.
>
> I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know? Too
> negative.
>
> But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and ran
> across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
> concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
>
> It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
> cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the
> thread
> just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini baiting
> them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his own
> ego
> and silly puckishness.
>
> I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
>
> I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously anymore.
> If
> the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
> choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because of
> its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but a
> position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
> generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound and
> the
> style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an empty
> fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
>
> Sorry for the rant.
> Jimmy
>
Being a semi regular at PSW I was embarassed at the childishness that was
displayed on that thread...unfortunately it prompted another series of
threads which also degenerated into name calling wankfests that had me
shaking my head in disbelief
Don
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62636 is a reply to message #62629] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 13:54 |
uptown jimmy
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Well, only a fool would insist that things haven't gotten very, very dire in
the world of popular music in the last 15 years, no doubt about it. I have
theories about it, but I don't want to waste anybody's time with my idle
musings and windy wordiness.
As for songs/albums, i-Tunes is really cool for bypassing the 1 good
song/the rest is filler syndrome. FWIW.
But I do think that Steve Albini has gotten WAAAAAY too much attention in
the last 20 years. Displays a kind of stealth arrogance that seems out of
proportion with his accomplishments. Take that with 2 grains of salt, of
course, coming as it is from a gentleman loser such as myself.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43c00f45$1@linux...
> I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really liked
> enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count the
> bands on the fingers of one hand.....and there would perhaps only be one,
> maybe two songs on the CD that were worth a shit, IMO. They just sort of
> morph into this sonic morass of over compressed, boring crap.
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62642 is a reply to message #62625] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 15:25 |
John [1]
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The way I see it 'our' generation and many others learned and copied the
greats that came before us. The current generation has no talent and
doesn't try to even learn who the greats are. Any of them ever listen
to Django or BB King? They thumb their noses at the greats and don't
know any music theory and live in a bubble. But hey, today I bought
another Earl Klugh, 2 Outfields and 2 Wilson Phillips. I love pop rock,
jazz, hard rock, blues, r&b and a bunch of other eclectic styles that
these kids will never hear. Luckily my 10 year old neighbor is into
Rush, Kiss and AC/DC and got a drum set for christmas and his 7 year old
brother got a baby strat and a peavey amp so there's still hope. Truly
though this music today won't stand up 20 years from now. That outfield
album "Play Deep" still stands up totally today. Amazing really. hehe
John
uptown jimmy wrote:
> Wow.
>
> I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know? Too
> negative.
>
> But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and ran
> across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
> concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
>
> It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
> cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the thread
> just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini baiting
> them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his own ego
> and silly puckishness.
>
> I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
>
> I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously anymore. If
> the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
> choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because of
> its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but a
> position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
> generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound and the
> style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an empty
> fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
>
> Sorry for the rant.
> Jimmy
>
>
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62643 is a reply to message #62637] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 16:35 |
Chris Wargo
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I hear you about rock loosing it's playfullness. Everyone needs to be a tourtured
arteest these days. But heavy moody rock has been around from before my
time. For example, I don't think Hendrix was playful, ever. Beautiful,
transcendental, hopeful, romantic, yes. Playful or lighthearted, no. Hendrix
was a somber guy with a gift. I don't think his music could have been anything
else. The problem comes when frat-rockers wake up and want to be artists
because that's in fashion at the moment.
Regarding Wilco, I wouldn't really call them rock. It's more like folk music,
which has always tended towards somber and introsopective. I think it's
really well done, and really honest. But of course you need to relate to
that sentiment as a listener in the first place.
When asked about Red Barcheta, Alex Lifeson once said something to the effect
of "all songs shouldn't be about girls, fun, and fast cars, but some should".
I like that quote.
-Chris
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Man. I have tried so hard to understand the Wilco thing. I just do not get
>it. Oh well, to each his/her own.
>
>I do think that part of what happened to rock was that it stopped being
>somewhat playful/light-hearted and got way too self-serious. That's not
>meant as a put-down on Wilco, just an honest opinion.
>
>Radiohead being a wonderful example of a band who came on so strong and
then
>immdeiately sank beneath a morass of self-importance and meaningless
>doodling. But at least the guy could fucking sing. I have a lot more
>tolerance for (true not fake) indie bands with singers who can actually
sing
>better than my neighbor.
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43c0240c$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really liked
>> >enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count
>the
>> >bands on the fingers of one hand.....
>>
>> That's probably true of any genre unless you are in tune with what's down
>> below the surface. The stuff that gets marketed from any genre is usually
>> crap. I just watched the Wilco documentary "I am trying to break your
>heart".
>> It was painful to see them getting dropped 2 weeks after delivering the
>> album to Reprise, an album many (myself included) now consider to be a
>masterpiece.
>>
>> I pretty much hate modern country music, but I suspect that's mostly
>because
>> I don't know where to look. I don't have any friends in tune with what's
>> good, and I am certainly not going to find it on the radio. So I find
>myself
>> listening to the Carter family and Johnny Cash instead.
>>
>> Then there is always the distinct posibility that my tastes are out of
>tune
>> with what is actually happening in country. :-)
>>
>> On the original topic, my friend is mixing a recording tomorrow that
>Albini
>> did. I'm curious to hear the raw tracks.
>>
>> -Chris
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62644 is a reply to message #62643] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 16:07 |
John [1]
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Hendrix was only playful on stage live. I remember a couple of shots on
my videos where he smiles like a 10 year old when he pulled of a killer
solo and he looked like he had totally surprised himself. Smile like
"wow can you believe it"? hehe
Chris Wargo wrote:
> I hear you about rock loosing it's playfullness. Everyone needs to be a tourtured
> arteest these days. But heavy moody rock has been around from before my
> time. For example, I don't think Hendrix was playful, ever. Beautiful,
> transcendental, hopeful, romantic, yes. Playful or lighthearted, no. Hendrix
> was a somber guy with a gift. I don't think his music could have been anything
> else. The problem comes when frat-rockers wake up and want to be artists
> because that's in fashion at the moment.
>
> Regarding Wilco, I wouldn't really call them rock. It's more like folk music,
> which has always tended towards somber and introsopective. I think it's
> really well done, and really honest. But of course you need to relate to
> that sentiment as a listener in the first place.
>
> When asked about Red Barcheta, Alex Lifeson once said something to the effect
> of "all songs shouldn't be about girls, fun, and fast cars, but some should".
> I like that quote.
>
> -Chris
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Man. I have tried so hard to understand the Wilco thing. I just do not get
>>it. Oh well, to each his/her own.
>>
>>I do think that part of what happened to rock was that it stopped being
>>somewhat playful/light-hearted and got way too self-serious. That's not
>>meant as a put-down on Wilco, just an honest opinion.
>>
>>Radiohead being a wonderful example of a band who came on so strong and
>
> then
>
>>immdeiately sank beneath a morass of self-importance and meaningless
>>doodling. But at least the guy could fucking sing. I have a lot more
>>tolerance for (true not fake) indie bands with singers who can actually
>
> sing
>
>>better than my neighbor.
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43c0240c$1@linux...
>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really liked
>>>>enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>bands on the fingers of one hand.....
>>>
>>>That's probably true of any genre unless you are in tune with what's down
>>>below the surface. The stuff that gets marketed from any genre is usually
>>>crap. I just watched the Wilco documentary "I am trying to break your
>>
>>heart".
>>
>>> It was painful to see them getting dropped 2 weeks after delivering the
>>>album to Reprise, an album many (myself included) now consider to be a
>>
>>masterpiece.
>>
>>>I pretty much hate modern country music, but I suspect that's mostly
>>
>>because
>>
>>>I don't know where to look. I don't have any friends in tune with what's
>>>good, and I am certainly not going to find it on the radio. So I find
>>
>>myself
>>
>>>listening to the Carter family and Johnny Cash instead.
>>>
>>>Then there is always the distinct posibility that my tastes are out of
>>
>>tune
>>
>>>with what is actually happening in country. :-)
>>>
>>>On the original topic, my friend is mixing a recording tomorrow that
>>
>>Albini
>>
>>>did. I'm curious to hear the raw tracks.
>>>
>>>-Chris
>>
>>
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62646 is a reply to message #62643] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 17:46 |
uptown jimmy
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Wow. With all due respect, I think I understand your point, but I don't know
if I'd call setting your guitar on fire somber or introspective. Playful,
yes, putting it nicely. But not somber. Vaudeville, even, but not somber.
Good point about folk, though. Never could stand any of it after 1960 except
for Dylan and sweet Joni Mitchell. Well-played.
But I mother-mm-mm luuuv me some Rush from that very periodyou named.
"Moving Pictures" is a masterpiece, and I like "Permanent Waves" as well.
Jimmy
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43c05029$1@linux...
>
> I hear you about rock loosing it's playfullness. Everyone needs to be a
tourtured
> arteest these days. But heavy moody rock has been around from before my
> time. For example, I don't think Hendrix was playful, ever. Beautiful,
> transcendental, hopeful, romantic, yes. Playful or lighthearted, no.
Hendrix
> was a somber guy with a gift. I don't think his music could have been
anything
> else. The problem comes when frat-rockers wake up and want to be artists
> because that's in fashion at the moment.
>
> Regarding Wilco, I wouldn't really call them rock. It's more like folk
music,
> which has always tended towards somber and introsopective. I think it's
> really well done, and really honest. But of course you need to relate to
> that sentiment as a listener in the first place.
>
> When asked about Red Barcheta, Alex Lifeson once said something to the
effect
> of "all songs shouldn't be about girls, fun, and fast cars, but some
should".
> I like that quote.
>
> -Chris
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Man. I have tried so hard to understand the Wilco thing. I just do not
get
> >it. Oh well, to each his/her own.
> >
> >I do think that part of what happened to rock was that it stopped being
> >somewhat playful/light-hearted and got way too self-serious. That's not
> >meant as a put-down on Wilco, just an honest opinion.
> >
> >Radiohead being a wonderful example of a band who came on so strong and
> then
> >immdeiately sank beneath a morass of self-importance and meaningless
> >doodling. But at least the guy could fucking sing. I have a lot more
> >tolerance for (true not fake) indie bands with singers who can actually
> sing
> >better than my neighbor.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >
> >"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43c0240c$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really
liked
> >> >enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count
> >the
> >> >bands on the fingers of one hand.....
> >>
> >> That's probably true of any genre unless you are in tune with what's
down
> >> below the surface. The stuff that gets marketed from any genre is
usually
> >> crap. I just watched the Wilco documentary "I am trying to break your
> >heart".
> >> It was painful to see them getting dropped 2 weeks after delivering
the
> >> album to Reprise, an album many (myself included) now consider to be a
> >masterpiece.
> >>
> >> I pretty much hate modern country music, but I suspect that's mostly
> >because
> >> I don't know where to look. I don't have any friends in tune with
what's
> >> good, and I am certainly not going to find it on the radio. So I find
> >myself
> >> listening to the Carter family and Johnny Cash instead.
> >>
> >> Then there is always the distinct posibility that my tastes are out of
> >tune
> >> with what is actually happening in country. :-)
> >>
> >> On the original topic, my friend is mixing a recording tomorrow that
> >Albini
> >> did. I'm curious to hear the raw tracks.
> >>
> >> -Chris
> >
> >
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62650 is a reply to message #62646] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 18:18 |
John [1]
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counterpoints is a monster rush cd too
uptown jimmy wrote:
> Wow. With all due respect, I think I understand your point, but I don't know
> if I'd call setting your guitar on fire somber or introspective. Playful,
> yes, putting it nicely. But not somber. Vaudeville, even, but not somber.
>
> Good point about folk, though. Never could stand any of it after 1960 except
> for Dylan and sweet Joni Mitchell. Well-played.
>
> But I mother-mm-mm luuuv me some Rush from that very periodyou named.
> "Moving Pictures" is a masterpiece, and I like "Permanent Waves" as well.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43c05029$1@linux...
>
>>I hear you about rock loosing it's playfullness. Everyone needs to be a
>
> tourtured
>
>>arteest these days. But heavy moody rock has been around from before my
>>time. For example, I don't think Hendrix was playful, ever. Beautiful,
>>transcendental, hopeful, romantic, yes. Playful or lighthearted, no.
>
> Hendrix
>
>>was a somber guy with a gift. I don't think his music could have been
>
> anything
>
>>else. The problem comes when frat-rockers wake up and want to be artists
>>because that's in fashion at the moment.
>>
>>Regarding Wilco, I wouldn't really call them rock. It's more like folk
>
> music,
>
>>which has always tended towards somber and introsopective. I think it's
>>really well done, and really honest. But of course you need to relate to
>>that sentiment as a listener in the first place.
>>
>>When asked about Red Barcheta, Alex Lifeson once said something to the
>
> effect
>
>>of "all songs shouldn't be about girls, fun, and fast cars, but some
>
> should".
>
>>I like that quote.
>>
>>-Chris
>>
>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Man. I have tried so hard to understand the Wilco thing. I just do not
>
> get
>
>>>it. Oh well, to each his/her own.
>>>
>>>I do think that part of what happened to rock was that it stopped being
>>>somewhat playful/light-hearted and got way too self-serious. That's not
>>>meant as a put-down on Wilco, just an honest opinion.
>>>
>>>Radiohead being a wonderful example of a band who came on so strong and
>>
>>then
>>
>>>immdeiately sank beneath a morass of self-importance and meaningless
>>>doodling. But at least the guy could fucking sing. I have a lot more
>>>tolerance for (true not fake) indie bands with singers who can actually
>>
>>sing
>>
>>>better than my neighbor.
>>>
>>>Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43c0240c$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really
>
> liked
>
>>>>>enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>bands on the fingers of one hand.....
>>>>
>>>>That's probably true of any genre unless you are in tune with what's
>
> down
>
>>>>below the surface. The stuff that gets marketed from any genre is
>
> usually
>
>>>>crap. I just watched the Wilco documentary "I am trying to break your
>>>
>>>heart".
>>>
>>>> It was painful to see them getting dropped 2 weeks after delivering
>
> the
>
>>>>album to Reprise, an album many (myself included) now consider to be a
>>>
>>>masterpiece.
>>>
>>>>I pretty much hate modern country music, but I suspect that's mostly
>>>
>>>because
>>>
>>>>I don't know where to look. I don't have any friends in tune with
>
> what's
>
>>>>good, and I am certainly not going to find it on the radio. So I find
>>>
>>>myself
>>>
>>>>listening to the Carter family and Johnny Cash instead.
>>>>
>>>>Then there is always the distinct posibility that my tastes are out of
>>>
>>>tune
>>>
>>>>with what is actually happening in country. :-)
>>>>
>>>>On the original topic, my friend is mixing a recording tomorrow that
>>>
>>>Albini
>>>
>>>>did. I'm curious to hear the raw tracks.
>>>>
>>>>-Chris
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62655 is a reply to message #62629] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 20:30 |
TCB
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really liked
>enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count the
>bands on the fingers of one hand.....and there would perhaps only be one,
>maybe two songs on the CD that were worth a shit, IMO. They just sort of
>morph into this sonic morass of over compressed, boring crap.
>
>OTOH, some of the absolute best music I've ever heard in the last 5 years
>happens at a little event here in Durango called the Durango Songwriters
>Expo.
>
>www.durangosong.com
>
>It's limited to around 150 people who pay around $200.00 plus airfare to
get
>here in order to hobnob with industry bigwigs who purportedly come here
to
>listen to and critique their music and give them pointers on how to be
>successful in the industry, but everyone knows that everyone really just
>come here to chill at a luxury resort in the mountains in the most beautiful
>time of year here (early Ocotber) and play golf between meals and party
like
>a bunch of heathens for 3 nights..
>
>A lot of the participants have home studios, are excellent
>producers/writers/musicians and their music kicks ass. We'll never get a
>chance to hear it on the radio, but there's a lot of it out there and it's
>great stuff. I do sound for this event and look forward to it every year
>because I get to hear some incredible music.
>
>One CD that I need to buy is Thad's. For some reason, I just haven't gotten
>around to it, but I did listen to some of the song clips and it's something
>I think I would actually enjoy sitting down and spending some quality time
>with........and I just don't have a lot of that to spare these days.
As shucks, Deej, I'm blushing. Send me your address again and I'll mail you
one. Also, it's not *my* CD, I didn't write any of the songs on this one
and was brought in pretty late in the writing/recording process. I might
wind up with a track or two on the next one (thus making me the Ron Wood/George
Harrison of this band which suits me just fine) but it's really the product
of two supremely gifted songwriters who are nice enough to let me tag along
for the ride.
I have to say, it's funny at this late date to be in the best band I've ever
been in with a couple of guys who have kids. Our third gig is coming up this
Thursday and I'm really psyched to get the tunes out in front of people again.
The working title for the next CD is Stotes Afire! (we have animal themes
for most stuff, and a stote is the british word for a weasel like creature
usualy called an ermine) and I'm hoping to make it sound a lot thicker. I
think the first one is a little short on low end (being Mr. dub that isn't
surprising) and we might do the drums in a much nicer room. Actually, this
band would sound great mixed on a PARIS rig. Too bad I don't have one anymore
;-)
TCB
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:43bffcdc@linux...
>> Wow.
>>
>> I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know?
Too
>> negative.
>>
>> But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and
ran
>> across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
>> concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
>>
>> It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
>> cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the
>thread
>> just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini baiting
>> them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his own
>ego
>> and silly puckishness.
>>
>> I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
>>
>> I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously anymore.
>If
>> the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
>> choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because
of
>> its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but a
>> position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
>> generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound and
>the
>> style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an empty
>> fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
>>
>> Sorry for the rant.
>> Jimmy
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62657 is a reply to message #62625] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 20:58 |
DC
Messages: 722
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Seems to me that those who write and create music have a very
open-hearted approach to other writers and other styles, while
fans always fight over what has "street cred" or what is hip, or
other such nonsense.
Very unprofessional. IM-ever-so-HO
DC
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Wow.
>
>I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know? Too
>negative.
>
>But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and ran
>across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
>concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
>
>It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
>cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the thread
>just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini baiting
>them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his own
ego
>and silly puckishness.
>
>I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
>
>I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously anymore.
If
>the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
>choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because of
>its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but a
>position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
>generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound and
the
>style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an empty
>fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
>
>Sorry for the rant.
>Jimmy
>
>
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62658 is a reply to message #62646] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 20:32 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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First rock concert I saw was Rush - Exit Stage Left tour I believe. What a
concert... I've never picked up CD versions of my old album/cassette
collection - I just might have to do that now.
Dedric
On 1/7/06 6:46 PM, in article 43c06f7e@linux, "uptown jimmy"
<johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Wow. With all due respect, I think I understand your point, but I don't know
> if I'd call setting your guitar on fire somber or introspective. Playful,
> yes, putting it nicely. But not somber. Vaudeville, even, but not somber.
>
> Good point about folk, though. Never could stand any of it after 1960 except
> for Dylan and sweet Joni Mitchell. Well-played.
>
> But I mother-mm-mm luuuv me some Rush from that very periodyou named.
> "Moving Pictures" is a masterpiece, and I like "Permanent Waves" as well.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43c05029$1@linux...
>>
>> I hear you about rock loosing it's playfullness. Everyone needs to be a
> tourtured
>> arteest these days. But heavy moody rock has been around from before my
>> time. For example, I don't think Hendrix was playful, ever. Beautiful,
>> transcendental, hopeful, romantic, yes. Playful or lighthearted, no.
> Hendrix
>> was a somber guy with a gift. I don't think his music could have been
> anything
>> else. The problem comes when frat-rockers wake up and want to be artists
>> because that's in fashion at the moment.
>>
>> Regarding Wilco, I wouldn't really call them rock. It's more like folk
> music,
>> which has always tended towards somber and introsopective. I think it's
>> really well done, and really honest. But of course you need to relate to
>> that sentiment as a listener in the first place.
>>
>> When asked about Red Barcheta, Alex Lifeson once said something to the
> effect
>> of "all songs shouldn't be about girls, fun, and fast cars, but some
> should".
>> I like that quote.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> Man. I have tried so hard to understand the Wilco thing. I just do not
> get
>>> it. Oh well, to each his/her own.
>>>
>>> I do think that part of what happened to rock was that it stopped being
>>> somewhat playful/light-hearted and got way too self-serious. That's not
>>> meant as a put-down on Wilco, just an honest opinion.
>>>
>>> Radiohead being a wonderful example of a band who came on so strong and
>> then
>>> immdeiately sank beneath a morass of self-importance and meaningless
>>> doodling. But at least the guy could fucking sing. I have a lot more
>>> tolerance for (true not fake) indie bands with singers who can actually
>> sing
>>> better than my neighbor.
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote in message news:43c0240c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really
> liked
>>>>> enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count
>>> the
>>>>> bands on the fingers of one hand.....
>>>>
>>>> That's probably true of any genre unless you are in tune with what's
> down
>>>> below the surface. The stuff that gets marketed from any genre is
> usually
>>>> crap. I just watched the Wilco documentary "I am trying to break your
>>> heart".
>>>> It was painful to see them getting dropped 2 weeks after delivering
> the
>>>> album to Reprise, an album many (myself included) now consider to be a
>>> masterpiece.
>>>>
>>>> I pretty much hate modern country music, but I suspect that's mostly
>>> because
>>>> I don't know where to look. I don't have any friends in tune with
> what's
>>>> good, and I am certainly not going to find it on the radio. So I find
>>> myself
>>>> listening to the Carter family and Johnny Cash instead.
>>>>
>>>> Then there is always the distinct posibility that my tastes are out of
>>> tune
>>>> with what is actually happening in country. :-)
>>>>
>>>> On the original topic, my friend is mixing a recording tomorrow that
>>> Albini
>>>> did. I'm curious to hear the raw tracks.
>>>>
>>>> -Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62663 is a reply to message #62655] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 23:36 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Hey Thad,
Thanks. I'll take you up on that offer for the CD, but if you're seeling
them, I'd just as soon pay $$ to support you guys. Is it available online
FS? If so send me a link.
As far as the weasel-like creature, I think that one iws spelled
*stoat*.....but WTF, I could be wrong.
;o)
.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43c08743$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really liked
> >enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count
the
> >bands on the fingers of one hand.....and there would perhaps only be one,
> >maybe two songs on the CD that were worth a shit, IMO. They just sort of
> >morph into this sonic morass of over compressed, boring crap.
> >
> >OTOH, some of the absolute best music I've ever heard in the last 5 years
> >happens at a little event here in Durango called the Durango Songwriters
> >Expo.
> >
> >www.durangosong.com
> >
> >It's limited to around 150 people who pay around $200.00 plus airfare to
> get
> >here in order to hobnob with industry bigwigs who purportedly come here
> to
> >listen to and critique their music and give them pointers on how to be
> >successful in the industry, but everyone knows that everyone really just
> >come here to chill at a luxury resort in the mountains in the most
beautiful
> >time of year here (early Ocotber) and play golf between meals and party
> like
> >a bunch of heathens for 3 nights..
> >
> >A lot of the participants have home studios, are excellent
> >producers/writers/musicians and their music kicks ass. We'll never get a
> >chance to hear it on the radio, but there's a lot of it out there and
it's
> >great stuff. I do sound for this event and look forward to it every year
> >because I get to hear some incredible music.
> >
> >One CD that I need to buy is Thad's. For some reason, I just haven't
gotten
> >around to it, but I did listen to some of the song clips and it's
something
> >I think I would actually enjoy sitting down and spending some quality
time
> >with........and I just don't have a lot of that to spare these days.
>
> As shucks, Deej, I'm blushing. Send me your address again and I'll mail
you
> one. Also, it's not *my* CD, I didn't write any of the songs on this one
> and was brought in pretty late in the writing/recording process. I might
> wind up with a track or two on the next one (thus making me the Ron
Wood/George
> Harrison of this band which suits me just fine) but it's really the
product
> of two supremely gifted songwriters who are nice enough to let me tag
along
> for the ride.
>
> I have to say, it's funny at this late date to be in the best band I've
ever
> been in with a couple of guys who have kids. Our third gig is coming up
this
> Thursday and I'm really psyched to get the tunes out in front of people
again.
> The working title for the next CD is Stotes Afire! (we have animal themes
> for most stuff, and a stote is the british word for a weasel like creature
> usualy called an ermine) and I'm hoping to make it sound a lot thicker. I
> think the first one is a little short on low end (being Mr. dub that isn't
> surprising) and we might do the drums in a much nicer room. Actually, this
> band would sound great mixed on a PARIS rig. Too bad I don't have one
anymore
> ;-)
>
> TCB
>
> >"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:43bffcdc@linux...
> >> Wow.
> >>
> >> I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know?
> Too
> >> negative.
> >>
> >> But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and
> ran
> >> across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
> >> concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
> >>
> >> It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
> >> cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the
> >thread
> >> just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini
baiting
> >> them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his own
> >ego
> >> and silly puckishness.
> >>
> >> I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
> >>
> >> I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously
anymore.
> >If
> >> the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
> >> choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because
> of
> >> its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but a
> >> position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
> >> generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound and
> >the
> >> style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an
empty
> >> fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the rant.
> >> Jimmy
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62671 is a reply to message #62657] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 06:51 |
Lance Reichert
Messages: 39
Registered: July 2005
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You're absoulutely right.
"DC" <dc@spamsteve.com> wrote in message news:43c08de4$1@linux...
>
> Seems to me that those who write and create music have a very
> open-hearted approach to other writers and other styles, while
> fans always fight over what has "street cred" or what is hip, or
> other such nonsense.
>
> Very unprofessional. IM-ever-so-HO
>
> DC
>
>
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Wow.
> >
> >I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know?
Too
> >negative.
> >
> >But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and ran
> >across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
> >concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
> >
> >It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
> >cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the
thread
> >just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini baiting
> >them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his own
> ego
> >and silly puckishness.
> >
> >I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
> >
> >I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously anymore.
> If
> >the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
> >choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because of
> >its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but a
> >position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
> >generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound and
> the
> >style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an
empty
> >fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
> >
> >Sorry for the rant.
> >Jimmy
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Steve Albini's PSW forum [message #62680 is a reply to message #62663] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 13:23 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Hey Deej,
Well, if you really want to you can pay for it here.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BGQY1C/qid =1136751408/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-7700736-7529402?v=glance&a mp;s=music&n=507846
and supposedly it's in the iTunes store, but I refuse to let Apple take over
my one Windows box to find out.
A I said before, I'm really looking forward to the next recording. I'll get
to put my big guitar noises in there and play lots of percussion.
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Hey Thad,
>
>Thanks. I'll take you up on that offer for the CD, but if you're seeling
>them, I'd just as soon pay $$ to support you guys. Is it available online
>FS? If so send me a link.
>
>As far as the weasel-like creature, I think that one iws spelled
>*stoat*.....but WTF, I could be wrong.
>
>;o)
> .
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43c08743$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I'm trying to think of any pop, R & B or *rock* music I've really liked
>> >enough to spend money for in the last 15 years. I could probably count
>the
>> >bands on the fingers of one hand.....and there would perhaps only be
one,
>> >maybe two songs on the CD that were worth a shit, IMO. They just sort
of
>> >morph into this sonic morass of over compressed, boring crap.
>> >
>> >OTOH, some of the absolute best music I've ever heard in the last 5 years
>> >happens at a little event here in Durango called the Durango Songwriters
>> >Expo.
>> >
>> >www.durangosong.com
>> >
>> >It's limited to around 150 people who pay around $200.00 plus airfare
to
>> get
>> >here in order to hobnob with industry bigwigs who purportedly come here
>> to
>> >listen to and critique their music and give them pointers on how to be
>> >successful in the industry, but everyone knows that everyone really just
>> >come here to chill at a luxury resort in the mountains in the most
>beautiful
>> >time of year here (early Ocotber) and play golf between meals and party
>> like
>> >a bunch of heathens for 3 nights..
>> >
>> >A lot of the participants have home studios, are excellent
>> >producers/writers/musicians and their music kicks ass. We'll never get
a
>> >chance to hear it on the radio, but there's a lot of it out there and
>it's
>> >great stuff. I do sound for this event and look forward to it every year
>> >because I get to hear some incredible music.
>> >
>> >One CD that I need to buy is Thad's. For some reason, I just haven't
>gotten
>> >around to it, but I did listen to some of the song clips and it's
>something
>> >I think I would actually enjoy sitting down and spending some quality
>time
>> >with........and I just don't have a lot of that to spare these days.
>>
>> As shucks, Deej, I'm blushing. Send me your address again and I'll mail
>you
>> one. Also, it's not *my* CD, I didn't write any of the songs on this one
>> and was brought in pretty late in the writing/recording process. I might
>> wind up with a track or two on the next one (thus making me the Ron
>Wood/George
>> Harrison of this band which suits me just fine) but it's really the
>product
>> of two supremely gifted songwriters who are nice enough to let me tag
>along
>> for the ride.
>>
>> I have to say, it's funny at this late date to be in the best band I've
>ever
>> been in with a couple of guys who have kids. Our third gig is coming up
>this
>> Thursday and I'm really psyched to get the tunes out in front of people
>again.
>> The working title for the next CD is Stotes Afire! (we have animal themes
>> for most stuff, and a stote is the british word for a weasel like creature
>> usualy called an ermine) and I'm hoping to make it sound a lot thicker.
I
>> think the first one is a little short on low end (being Mr. dub that isn't
>> surprising) and we might do the drums in a much nicer room. Actually,
this
>> band would sound great mixed on a PARIS rig. Too bad I don't have one
>anymore
>> ;-)
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> >"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> >news:43bffcdc@linux...
>> >> Wow.
>> >>
>> >> I try not to be a hater. I really do. It just seems too easy, ya know?
>> Too
>> >> negative.
>> >>
>> >> But I was doing my weekly skim through the various online forums, and
>> ran
>> >> across a thread on Steve Albini's PSW forum, started by Steve himself,
>> >> concerning who was more important, Wang Chung or Minutemen.
>> >>
>> >> It immediately degenerates a pathetic display of all the most heinous,
>> >> cliched, eye-roll-inducing indie-rock crap you'll ever read. And the
>> >thread
>> >> just goes on and on for pages and pages, with the god-like Albini
>baiting
>> >> them with little Zen koan-type comments appropos of nothing but his
own
>> >ego
>> >> and silly puckishness.
>> >>
>> >> I found myself thinking: "Damn, what a bunch of fucking losers."
>> >>
>> >> I cannot believe anyone takes this "punk/indie" stuff seriously
>anymore.
>> >If
>> >> the music's great, then great. But the whole "punk/indie" lifestyle
>> >> choice...it seems even more trite than other lifestyle choices because
>> of
>> >> its incessant insistence that it isn't a lifestyle choice at all but
a
>> >> position of moral/aesthetic/fashion authority. Meanwhile an entire
>> >> generation of spoiled, oblivious white kids have co-opted the sound
and
>> >the
>> >> style and made it into the candy-coated, mass-marketed cartoon of an
>empty
>> >> fashion it always wanted to be anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry for the rant.
>> >> Jimmy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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