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PING Neil [message #94250] Tue, 01 January 2008 23:42 Go to next message
Deej is currently offline  Deej   FRANCE
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Hey Neil,

Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI 8-DS
AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is
routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe there
really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed
somehow when/if you get the chance.

Thanks,

Deej
Re: PING Neil [message #94255 is a reply to message #94250] Wed, 02 January 2008 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nei is currently offline  Nei
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I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?

Neil


"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>Hey Neil,
>
>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI 8-DS

>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is
>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe there

>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed
>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
Re: PING Neil [message #94257 is a reply to message #94255] Wed, 02 January 2008 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej is currently offline  Deej   FRANCE
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I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.


"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>
> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>Hey Neil,
>>
>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI
>>8-DS
>
>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is
>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe
>>there
>
>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed
>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>
Re: PING Neil [message #94272 is a reply to message #94257] Wed, 02 January 2008 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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Registered: April 2006
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OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
know.

Neil


"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>
>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>Hey Neil,
>>>
>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI

>>>8-DS
>>
>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is
>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe

>>>there
>>
>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed
>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: PING Neil - now PING Deej [message #94287 is a reply to message #94272] Wed, 02 January 2008 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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OK, I couldn't find a specific latency measurement tool other
than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
that extra circuitry in the way.

If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
through it, i'm afraid. :(

Neil


"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>know.
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>
>>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
>>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI
>
>>>>8-DS
>>>
>>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is
>>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe
>
>>>>there
>>>
>>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed
>>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: PING Neil [message #94290 is a reply to message #94255] Wed, 02 January 2008 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Artola is currently offline  Paul Artola   UNITED STATES
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One-thousand one, one-thousand two, one-thousand three,...

- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland

On 3 Jan 2008 02:42:31 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>Hey Neil,
>>
>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI 8-DS
>
>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is
>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe there
>
>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed
>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
Re: PING Neil - now PING Deej [message #94291 is a reply to message #94287] Wed, 02 January 2008 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej is currently offline  Deej   FRANCE
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That's the one Neil. 0.01h? Man, that's extremely fast. since mine said
0.02, I guess we're in the same ballpark.

Thanks for your help.

Deej

"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477c4062$1@linux...
>
> OK, I couldn't find a specific latency measurement tool other
> than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
> EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
> 0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
> the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
> that extra circuitry in the way.
>
> If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
> through it, i'm afraid. :(
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>>know.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>
>>>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
>>>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI
>>
>>>>>8-DS
>>>>
>>>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is
>>>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe
>>
>>>>>there
>>>>
>>>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed
>>>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: PING Neil - now PING Deej [message #94296 is a reply to message #94291] Wed, 02 January 2008 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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is that a true latency number?????
Have you tried playing out one track while recording it to another to see
what the real world DA->AD number is?


AA


"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:477c5668$1@linux...
> That's the one Neil. 0.01h? Man, that's extremely fast. since mine said
> 0.02, I guess we're in the same ballpark.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Deej
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477c4062$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, I couldn't find a specific latency measurement tool other
>> than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
>> EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
>> 0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
>> the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
>> that extra circuitry in the way.
>>
>> If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
>> through it, i'm afraid. :(
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>>>know.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>>>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
>>>>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI
>>>
>>>>>>8-DS
>>>>>
>>>>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is
>>>>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe
>>>
>>>>>>there
>>>>>
>>>>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed
>>>>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: PING Neil - now PING Deej [message #94301 is a reply to message #94296] Thu, 03 January 2008 00:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej is currently offline  Deej   FRANCE
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Registered: September 2006
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Haven't had time yet but I'll get around to it. I've got a feeling there is
some sort of glitch in the way the MF driver talks to Cubase. I'd lay odds
that the rea latency is around 1 ms as all my other stuff here pings through
at around 0.91.


"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:477c7869$1@linux...
> is that a true latency number?????
> Have you tried playing out one track while recording it to another to see
> what the real world DA->AD number is?
>
>
> AA
>
>
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:477c5668$1@linux...
>> That's the one Neil. 0.01h? Man, that's extremely fast. since mine said
>> 0.02, I guess we're in the same ballpark.
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477c4062$1@linux...
>>>
>>> OK, I couldn't find a specific latency measurement tool other
>>> than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
>>> EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
>>> 0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
>>> the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
>>> that extra circuitry in the way.
>>>
>>> If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
>>> through it, i'm afraid. :(
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>>>>know.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>>>>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm
>>>>>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my
>>>>>>>ADI
>>>>
>>>>>>>8-DS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so
>>>>>>>maybe
>>>>
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it
>>>>>>>confirmed
>>>>>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: PING Neil - now PING Deej [message #94308 is a reply to message #94301] Thu, 03 January 2008 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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Could the ZLM function in TotalMix have anything to do with it?

Neil


"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>Haven't had time yet but I'll get around to it. I've got a feeling there
is
>some sort of glitch in the way the MF driver talks to Cubase. I'd lay odds

>that the rea latency is around 1 ms as all my other stuff here pings through

>at around 0.91.
>
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>news:477c7869$1@linux...
>> is that a true latency number?????
>> Have you tried playing out one track while recording it to another to
see
>> what the real world DA->AD number is?
>>
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:477c5668$1@linux...
>>> That's the one Neil. 0.01h? Man, that's extremely fast. since mine said

>>> 0.02, I guess we're in the same ballpark.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477c4062$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> OK, I couldn't find a specific latency measurement tool other
>>>> than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
>>>> EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
>>>> 0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
>>>> the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
>>>> that extra circuitry in the way.
>>>>
>>>> If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
>>>> through it, i'm afraid. :(
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>>>>>know.
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>>>>>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers?
I'm
>>>>>>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my

>>>>>>>>ADI
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>8-DS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS

>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so

>>>>>>>>maybe
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it
>>>>>>>>confirmed
>>>>>>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: PING Neil - now PING Deej [message #94310 is a reply to message #94308] Thu, 03 January 2008 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej is currently offline  Deej   FRANCE
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Senior Member
What is the ZLM function?


"Neil" <IOOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477cf7a9$1@linux...
>
> Could the ZLM function in TotalMix have anything to do with it?
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>Haven't had time yet but I'll get around to it. I've got a feeling there
> is
>>some sort of glitch in the way the MF driver talks to Cubase. I'd lay odds
>
>>that the rea latency is around 1 ms as all my other stuff here pings
>>through
>
>>at around 0.91.
>>
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>news:477c7869$1@linux...
>>> is that a true latency number?????
>>> Have you tried playing out one track while recording it to another to
> see
>>> what the real world DA->AD number is?
>>>
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:477c5668$1@linux...
>>>> That's the one Neil. 0.01h? Man, that's extremely fast. since mine said
>
>>>> 0.02, I guess we're in the same ballpark.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477c4062$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, I couldn't find a specific latency measurement tool other
>>>>> than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
>>>>> EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
>>>>> 0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
>>>>> the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
>>>>> that extra circuitry in the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
>>>>> through it, i'm afraid. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of
>>>>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers?
> I'm
>>>>>>>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my
>
>>>>>>>>>ADI
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>8-DS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS
>
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so
>
>>>>>>>>>maybe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it
>>>>>>>>>confirmed
>>>>>>>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: PING Neil - now PING Deej [message #94311 is a reply to message #94310] Thu, 03 January 2008 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nei is currently offline  Nei
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Senior Member
Zero-Latency Monitoring. You select it in your Total Mix Mixer window.


"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>What is the ZLM function?
>
>
>"Neil" <IOOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477cf7a9$1@linux...
>>
>> Could the ZLM function in TotalMix have anything to do with it?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>Haven't had time yet but I'll get around to it. I've got a feeling there
>> is
>>>some sort of glitch in the way the MF driver talks to Cubase. I'd lay
odds
>>
>>>that the rea latency is around 1 ms as all my other stuff here pings
>>>through
>>
>>>at around 0.91.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>news:477c7869$1@linux...
>>>> is that a true latency number?????
>>>> Have you tried playing out one track while recording it to another to
>> see
>>>> what the real world DA->AD number is?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:477c5668$1@linux...
>>>>> That's the one Neil. 0.01h? Man, that's extremely fast. since mine
said
>>
>>>>> 0.02, I guess we're in the same ballpark.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477c4062$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, I couldn't find a specific latency measurement tool other
>>>>>> than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
>>>>>> EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
>>>>>> 0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
>>>>>> the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
>>>>>> that extra circuitry in the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
>>>>>> through it, i'm afraid. :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of

>>>>>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers?
>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through
my
>>
>>>>>>>>>>ADI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>8-DS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI
8-DS
>>
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so
>>
>>>>>>>>>>maybe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it
>>>>>>>>>>confirmed
>>>>>>>>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: PING Neil - now PING Deej [message #94313 is a reply to message #94311] Thu, 03 January 2008 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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Hi Neil,

Other wise know as Direct Monitoring in Cubase.

ZLM is the term Magix uses for the same direct monitoring function.

This should only be a few samples at best.

The 1ms round trip through the AD?DA sounds about right for a converter
that old.


The lower latency of the on board Multiface AD/DA sounds correct with
the chips it uses.

The new ADI8-QS converters have a really low internal latency.
From the web page-
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In the QS RME uses a high-class AD converter from Cirrus Logic,
offering exceptional Signal to Noise and distortion figures. But the
biggest difference to all other ADCs out there is its innovative digital
filter, achieving for the first time a delay of only 12 samples in
Single Speed (0.25 ms), 9 samples in Double Speed (0.09 ms), and 5 (!)
samples in Quad Speed (0.026 ms).

These values are less than a quarter of those available from even much
more expensive devices. They represent an important step in further
reducing the latency in the computer-based recording studio. At DS and
QS the added latency can simply be ignored. The DA-converter offers
similar conversion in the range of 5 to 10 samples, turning analog
digital monitoring into real analog-style monitoring!

---



Chris


Neil wrote:
> Zero-Latency Monitoring. You select it in your Total Mix Mixer window.
>
>
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>> What is the ZLM function?
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <IOOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477cf7a9$1@linux...
>>> Could the ZLM function in TotalMix have anything to do with it?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>> Haven't had time yet but I'll get around to it. I've got a feeling there
>>> is
>>>> some sort of glitch in the way the MF driver talks to Cubase. I'd lay
> odds
>>>> that the rea latency is around 1 ms as all my other stuff here pings
>>>> through
>>>> at around 0.91.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>> news:477c7869$1@linux...
>>>>> is that a true latency number?????
>>>>> Have you tried playing out one track while recording it to another to
>>> see
>>>>> what the real world DA->AD number is?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:477c5668$1@linux...
>>>>>> That's the one Neil. 0.01h? Man, that's extremely fast. since mine
> said
>>>>>> 0.02, I guess we're in the same ballpark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477c4062$1@linux...
>>>>>>> OK, I couldn't find a specific latency measurement tool other
>>>>>>> than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
>>>>>>> EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
>>>>>>> 0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
>>>>>>> the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
>>>>>>> that extra circuitry in the way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
>>>>>>> through it, i'm afraid. :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Neil,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of
>
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers?
>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through
> my
>>>>>>>>>>> ADI
>>>>>>>>>>> 8-DS
>>>>>>>>>>> AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI
> 8-DS
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it
>>>>>>>>>>> confirmed
>>>>>>>>>>> somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

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Chris Ludwig

ADK Pro Audio
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Re: PING Neil [message #94320 is a reply to message #94290] Thu, 03 January 2008 18:29 Go to previous message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
OK, i nearly missed that one before it went south "below the
fold" as they say in the webworld... good one LOL

:)

Neil


Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>One-thousand one, one-thousand two, one-thousand three,...
>
>- Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
>On 3 Jan 2008 02:42:31 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>Hey Neil,
>>>
>>>Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of your
>>>Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers? I'm

>>>getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through my ADI
8-DS
>>
>>>AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI 8-DS is

>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so maybe
there
>>
>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it confirmed

>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>
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