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| Re: That evil Bill Gates at it again [message #82742 is a reply to message #82693] |
Fri, 06 April 2007 10:04   |
Larry Upton
Messages: 30
Registered: October 2006
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Sorry you feel that way...
I'm outa here.
Larry
James McCloskey wrote:
> Not a chance Larry. Dedric has stated here that he is intentionally going
> out of his way to screw with me. He has made this personal. He doesn't
> need to jump on my threads and start shit with me. Everybody else say what
> ever they want, when they want and it's Ok. I'll cool it on any PC gates
> Bashing, if that's what you guys want to call it.
>
> James
>
>
> Larry Upton <lupton@kpbs.org> wrote:
>
>>James,
>>
>>I like you, man, we've done business together, and ordinarily, you seem
>
>
>>like a good guy, but dude, I think you just got yourself banned...
>>
>>Be the bigger man, walk away...
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>(Yeah, I butted in, too...)
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Dedric, no one asked you to butt in on this thread either. Dedric
>
> go
>
>>>fuck yourself!
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Umm... where did I "bash" Macs? That article was about the differences
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>charity giving between two
>>>>CEOs. You are the one that posted the subject "Microsoft Sues software
>>>
>>>
>>>>sellers", and many
>>>>other antagonistic anti-MS/PC posts, and insertions into other threads
>
> to
>
>>>
>>>>derail them into
>>>>a Mac vs. PC debate.
>>>>
>>>>We normally discuss technical issues, pros and cons here and don't seem
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>have a problem
>>>>coming to agreement on what is fact and what is opinion, and agreeing
>
> to
>
>>>
>>>>disagree... at least until now.
>>>>
>>>>If you see that as bashing, then perhaps it's your defensiveness that
>
> needs
>
>>>
>>>>addressing.
>>>>It isn't your job to tell the rest of us what to say or think. This is
>>>
>>>your
>>>
>>>
>>>>move to make now James, not ours.
>>>>
>>>>(Not that I can speak for the rest of the forum, but judging by some
>>>>responses you've gotten,
>>>>I think it's safe to say I'm not alone in my view on this).
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:46154f13$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say
>
> about
>
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it
>>>
>>>is,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There
>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>other forums
>>>>>>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This used to be a great forum....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:461548a3$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple.
>
>
>>>>>>>People
>>>>>>>need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apple
>>>>>>>here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts
>
> aren't
>
>>>>>>>>bashing???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it
>
> is)
>
>>>>>>>>based
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>>>>>>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that
>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>seems
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>>>>>>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve
>>>
>>>Jobs
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business
>>>
>>>man.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a
>>>>>>>>balanced
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>>>>>>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill
>
> Gates
>
>>>>>>>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>>>>>>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe
>
> most
>
>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against
>>>
>>>MS?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>>>>>>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Mac
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>reseller by chance?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>>>>>>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>only
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>hurting your argument, not
>>>>>>>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you
>
> like,
>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>>>>>>>the crusade offline, please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>START READING!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just
>>>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>people with
>>>>>>>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical
>>>>>>>>>>>business
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>practices.
>>>>>>>>>>>They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>forget
>>>>>>>>>>>what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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| Re: That evil Bill Gates at it again [message #82747 is a reply to message #82668] |
Fri, 06 April 2007 09:57 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Dedric, you're a great guy, thoughtful and direct.
James, I haven't met you but I appreciate your insights and posts.
If you guys stick to facts, how is that bashing? Both companies have
histories. The facts are there.
Apple does not equal Microsoft. They aren't identical.
It would be inaccurate to claim that only Mac users criticize
Microsoft's business practices (more like people who recognize the
problems with MS eventually end up on Mac or Linux because that's all
that's left).
If the known differences in ethics and corporate behavior matter to you,
they will affect your choices. If the differences don't matter to you,
they won't affect your choices.
If the differences in business models matter to you they will affect
your choices. If not, they won't.
If differences in company founder charitable giving and the associated
business strategies matter to you they will affect your choices. If not,
they won't.
If a particular set of facts aren't significant to you, it's possible to
acknowledge that without denying facts and without rationalizing.
Calling anyone names over the issue, that seems entirely unnecessary.
We have very few choices left in the OS market. Pick what you like based
on the criteria that matter to you.
Please feel free to discuss facts about differences that exist in one of
the main classes of gear we all use in our studios. The differences are
not trivial IMO.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
> bashing???
>
> James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is) based
> on what you *think* you know about these companies
> and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it seems
> to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
> There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
> isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
> from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>
> Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a balanced
> attitude, give it a rest.
> Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
> isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
> These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most if
> not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>
> Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS? I
> don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
> I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a Mac
> reseller by chance?
>
> Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses on.
> There's more to life, and computer technology
> than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are only
> hurting your argument, not
> that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like, and
> post all you want about Apple products, but leave
> the crusade offline, please.
>
> Thanks,
> Dedric
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:461539ad$1@linux...
>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>
>> START READING!
>>
>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>
>>> Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>>> people with
>>> different personalities and personal goals.
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>>>> practices.
>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>> forget
>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Re: That evil Bill Gates at it again [message #82750 is a reply to message #82747] |
Fri, 06 April 2007 10:59 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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i use both and when they work they're great and when they don't they
suck...i feel much better for admitting that in public...ooh wait,
i've said that before many many moons ago.
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:57:08 -0600, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
wrote:
>
>
>Dedric, you're a great guy, thoughtful and direct.
>
>James, I haven't met you but I appreciate your insights and posts.
>
>If you guys stick to facts, how is that bashing? Both companies have
>histories. The facts are there.
>
>Apple does not equal Microsoft. They aren't identical.
>
>It would be inaccurate to claim that only Mac users criticize
>Microsoft's business practices (more like people who recognize the
>problems with MS eventually end up on Mac or Linux because that's all
>that's left).
>
>If the known differences in ethics and corporate behavior matter to you,
>they will affect your choices. If the differences don't matter to you,
>they won't affect your choices.
>
>If the differences in business models matter to you they will affect
>your choices. If not, they won't.
>
>If differences in company founder charitable giving and the associated
>business strategies matter to you they will affect your choices. If not,
>they won't.
>
>If a particular set of facts aren't significant to you, it's possible to
>acknowledge that without denying facts and without rationalizing.
>
>Calling anyone names over the issue, that seems entirely unnecessary.
>
>We have very few choices left in the OS market. Pick what you like based
>on the criteria that matter to you.
>
>Please feel free to discuss facts about differences that exist in one of
>the main classes of gear we all use in our studios. The differences are
>not trivial IMO.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
>> And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>> bashing???
>>
>> James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is) based
>> on what you *think* you know about these companies
>> and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it seems
>> to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>> There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
>> isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>> from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>>
>> Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a balanced
>> attitude, give it a rest.
>> Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>> isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>> These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most if
>> not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>
>> Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS? I
>> don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>> I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a Mac
>> reseller by chance?
>>
>> Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses on.
>> There's more to life, and computer technology
>> than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are only
>> hurting your argument, not
>> that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like, and
>> post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>> the crusade offline, please.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>
>>> START READING!
>>>
>>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>
>>>> Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>>>> people with
>>>> different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>>>>> practices.
>>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>>> forget
>>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: That evil Bill Gates at it again [message #82752 is a reply to message #82750] |
Fri, 06 April 2007 11:07 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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you're talking about what again?
rick wrote:
> i use both and when they work they're great and when they don't they
> suck...i feel much better for admitting that in public...ooh wait,
> i've said that before many many moons ago.
>
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:57:08 -0600, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dedric, you're a great guy, thoughtful and direct.
>>
>> James, I haven't met you but I appreciate your insights and posts.
>>
>> If you guys stick to facts, how is that bashing? Both companies have
>> histories. The facts are there.
>>
>> Apple does not equal Microsoft. They aren't identical.
>>
>> It would be inaccurate to claim that only Mac users criticize
>> Microsoft's business practices (more like people who recognize the
>> problems with MS eventually end up on Mac or Linux because that's all
>> that's left).
>>
>> If the known differences in ethics and corporate behavior matter to you,
>> they will affect your choices. If the differences don't matter to you,
>> they won't affect your choices.
>>
>> If the differences in business models matter to you they will affect
>> your choices. If not, they won't.
>>
>> If differences in company founder charitable giving and the associated
>> business strategies matter to you they will affect your choices. If not,
>> they won't.
>>
>> If a particular set of facts aren't significant to you, it's possible to
>> acknowledge that without denying facts and without rationalizing.
>>
>> Calling anyone names over the issue, that seems entirely unnecessary.
>>
>> We have very few choices left in the OS market. Pick what you like based
>> on the criteria that matter to you.
>>
>> Please feel free to discuss facts about differences that exist in one of
>> the main classes of gear we all use in our studios. The differences are
>> not trivial IMO.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>>> bashing???
>>>
>>> James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is) based
>>> on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>> and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it seems
>>> to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>> There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
>>> isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>> from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>>>
>>> Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a balanced
>>> attitude, give it a rest.
>>> Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>>> isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>> These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most if
>>> not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>
>>> Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS? I
>>> don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>> I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a Mac
>>> reseller by chance?
>>>
>>> Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses on.
>>> There's more to life, and computer technology
>>> than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are only
>>> hurting your argument, not
>>> that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like, and
>>> post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>> the crusade offline, please.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>
>>>> START READING!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>>>>> people with
>>>>> different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>>>> forget
>>>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
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