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| Why did I bother with that gig...??? [message #80703] |
Sun, 25 February 2007 20:00  |
Doug Wellington
Messages: 251
Registered: June 2005
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
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Well, my Sunday afternoon live recording session has come and gone.
Where to start...?
OK, as always, things change. I get there and find out that I've got
piano, cello, flute, soprano singer and poet reading poetry. Now I need
another mic so I give up on using a pair on the piano. Poet is most
picky about microphone and placement. We try a couple mics and end up
using the 4033 on him. Room is boomy yet nasty bright, and poet likes
to stay back from mic and speak softly. Feedback hell - rode the fader
the whole time. (I'm supposed to keep the poet louder than everyone
else of course...)
Because room is so loud, musicians tell me, "I don't need a mic..." I
ask them if they want to be recorded? Of course they do! Well,
apparently they forget this, and since it's a rotating lineup, they move
around for each piece! Luckily the room is so bright and boomy that
they bleed through fairly well. This is gonna be a nightmare to mix...
I didn't care for the 421 - I think I need some kind of nuclear preamp
for that thing! The up side is that I didn't have any problems with
feedback from that one. I'm gonna see if I can trade that one back in
on something else - maybe that EV...
Sigh...
On the bright side, the composer/pianist was appreciative. And he knew
how to use a mic too!
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.com
http://www.parisfaqs.com
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| Re: Why did I bother with that gig...??? [message #80704 is a reply to message #80703] |
Sun, 25 February 2007 20:17  |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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I feel for ya'. I just love it when someone who comes here to record gets
annoyed because the mic is in the way or because he/she wants to be
*natural* and move around a lot so I have to put up multiple mics to make
sure I've got him/her in the zone somehow and then all the micws are in the
way. Makes me want to cram a cable up their arse so's I can DI their
bullshit.
;o)
"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote in message
news:45e25ba6$1@linux...
> Well, my Sunday afternoon live recording session has come and gone. Where
> to start...?
>
> OK, as always, things change. I get there and find out that I've got
> piano, cello, flute, soprano singer and poet reading poetry. Now I need
> another mic so I give up on using a pair on the piano. Poet is most picky
> about microphone and placement. We try a couple mics and end up using the
> 4033 on him. Room is boomy yet nasty bright, and poet likes to stay back
> from mic and speak softly. Feedback hell - rode the fader the whole time.
> (I'm supposed to keep the poet louder than everyone else of course...)
>
> Because room is so loud, musicians tell me, "I don't need a mic..." I ask
> them if they want to be recorded? Of course they do! Well, apparently
> they forget this, and since it's a rotating lineup, they move around for
> each piece! Luckily the room is so bright and boomy that they bleed
> through fairly well. This is gonna be a nightmare to mix...
>
> I didn't care for the 421 - I think I need some kind of nuclear preamp for
> that thing! The up side is that I didn't have any problems with feedback
> from that one. I'm gonna see if I can trade that one back in on something
> else - maybe that EV...
>
> Sigh...
>
> On the bright side, the composer/pianist was appreciative. And he knew
> how to use a mic too!
>
> Doug
>
> http://www.parisfaqs.com
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| Re: Why did I bother with that gig...??? [message #80705 is a reply to message #80703] |
Sun, 25 February 2007 20:54 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Sounds like a frustrating gig, Doug.
If you ever do it again, maybe a wireless lav on the poet? Might be able
to clip wireless mics on some of the instruments, too. Dunno if it'd be
worth the hassle but it might at least be more consistent to mix.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Doug Wellington wrote:
> Well, my Sunday afternoon live recording session has come and gone.
> Where to start...?
>
> OK, as always, things change. I get there and find out that I've got
> piano, cello, flute, soprano singer and poet reading poetry. Now I need
> another mic so I give up on using a pair on the piano. Poet is most
> picky about microphone and placement. We try a couple mics and end up
> using the 4033 on him. Room is boomy yet nasty bright, and poet likes
> to stay back from mic and speak softly. Feedback hell - rode the fader
> the whole time. (I'm supposed to keep the poet louder than everyone
> else of course...)
>
> Because room is so loud, musicians tell me, "I don't need a mic..." I
> ask them if they want to be recorded? Of course they do! Well,
> apparently they forget this, and since it's a rotating lineup, they move
> around for each piece! Luckily the room is so bright and boomy that
> they bleed through fairly well. This is gonna be a nightmare to mix...
>
> I didn't care for the 421 - I think I need some kind of nuclear preamp
> for that thing! The up side is that I didn't have any problems with
> feedback from that one. I'm gonna see if I can trade that one back in
> on something else - maybe that EV...
>
> Sigh...
>
> On the bright side, the composer/pianist was appreciative. And he knew
> how to use a mic too!
>
> Doug
>
> http://www.parisfaqs.com
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| Re: Why did I bother with that gig...??? [message #80716 is a reply to message #80703] |
Mon, 26 February 2007 07:22 |
neil[1]
Messages: 164
Registered: October 2006
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Doug, the 421 shouldn't be significantly softer than any other
dynamic... sounds like you were using condensers for the other
stuff, though (you mentined the 4033, plus I think you said you
got some NT5's, yes?), so it WILL be less hot than yer average
condenser mic, but compare it to some other dynamics before you
shitcan it (or determine if it's broken) - they're pretty
useful mics; you don't have several of 'em so I'm not gonna
tell you to try it on toms, but a 421 paired with an SM-57 makes
a great guitar amp combination!
Neil
Doug Wellington <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>Well, my Sunday afternoon live recording session has come and gone.
>Where to start...?
>
>OK, as always, things change. I get there and find out that I've got
>piano, cello, flute, soprano singer and poet reading poetry. Now I need
>another mic so I give up on using a pair on the piano. Poet is most
>picky about microphone and placement. We try a couple mics and end up
>using the 4033 on him. Room is boomy yet nasty bright, and poet likes
>to stay back from mic and speak softly. Feedback hell - rode the fader
>the whole time. (I'm supposed to keep the poet louder than everyone
>else of course...)
>
>Because room is so loud, musicians tell me, "I don't need a mic..." I
>ask them if they want to be recorded? Of course they do! Well,
>apparently they forget this, and since it's a rotating lineup, they move
>around for each piece! Luckily the room is so bright and boomy that
>they bleed through fairly well. This is gonna be a nightmare to mix...
>
>I didn't care for the 421 - I think I need some kind of nuclear preamp
>for that thing! The up side is that I didn't have any problems with
>feedback from that one. I'm gonna see if I can trade that one back in
>on something else - maybe that EV...
>
>Sigh...
>
>On the bright side, the composer/pianist was appreciative. And he knew
>how to use a mic too!
>
>Doug
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
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| Re: Why did I bother with that gig...??? [message #80721 is a reply to message #80705] |
Mon, 26 February 2007 08:40 |
Doug Wellington
Messages: 251
Registered: June 2005
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45e26833@linux...
> Sounds like a frustrating gig, Doug.
Well, the music itself was very nice! I really like Michael's compositions
and his piano playing is very tasteful and I'm amazed at how nice he is for
having been the big record exec. I talked to him afterwards, and it turns
out his son is a techie like me - we are both the kinds of people that are
taken for granted when things go well, but if anything is wrong, we are the
first to be blamed...
> If you ever do it again, maybe a wireless lav on the poet?
I had talked with him before the performance, asking how he wanted to work.
Large diaphragm condenser was the ONLY thing he'd use. No handheld, no
wireless, no dynamic, no lav...
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.com
http://www.parisfaqs.com
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