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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86749 is a reply to message #86743] |
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wireline[23]
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Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of homework,
actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best DAW is
the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything (again)
and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the analog
pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that I am,
I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for tracking...kind
of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32 channels
on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the Mac only
Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
K
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86751 is a reply to message #86749] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 12:11 |
Bill L
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I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even low
latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
that managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that and
offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console as
the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
level.
wireline wrote:
> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of homework,
> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best DAW is
> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>
> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything (again)
> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the analog
> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that I am,
> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for tracking...kind
> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32 channels
> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>
> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the Mac only
> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
> K
>
>
>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86752 is a reply to message #86751] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 12:17 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
David.
Bill L wrote:
> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even low
> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
> that managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that and
> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>
> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console as
> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
> level.
>
> wireline wrote:
>
>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>> homework,
>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best DAW is
>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>
>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>> (again)
>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the analog
>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that I am,
>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>> tracking...kind
>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32
>> channels
>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>
>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the Mac
>> only
>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>> K
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86753 is a reply to message #86752] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 12:31 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't need the
preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME HDSP
9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels of
AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
;o)
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>
> David.
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even low
>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset that
>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that and
>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>
>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console as
>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>> level.
>>
>> wireline wrote:
>>
>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>> homework,
>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best DAW
>>> is
>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>
>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>> (again)
>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>> analog
>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that I
>>> am,
>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>> tracking...kind
>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32
>>> channels
>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>
>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the Mac
>>> only
>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>> K
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86756 is a reply to message #86749] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 13:19 |
LaMont
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Registered: October 2005
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yep, I came to that conclusion 3 years ago and have not looked back. Unless
you''re running Paris aor Pro Tools HD, then you need a (digtal or analog)
mixer.
"wireline" <wirelinestudio@spammeanddie.com> wrote:
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>Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of homework,
>actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best DAW is
>the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>
>I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything (again)
>and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the analog
>pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that I am,
>I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for tracking...kind
>of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32 channels
>on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>
>FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the Mac only
>Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>K
>
>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86758 is a reply to message #86753] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 13:58 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI DJ,
Less than analog console.
The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs @
96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects or
Mic-Pres if needed.
You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to be
dealers. :)
Chris
DJ wrote:
> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't need the
> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME HDSP
> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels of
> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>
>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even low
>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset that
>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that and
>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>
>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console as
>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>> level.
>>>
>>> wireline wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>>> homework,
>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best DAW
>>>> is
>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>
>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>> (again)
>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>> analog
>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that I
>>>> am,
>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>> tracking...kind
>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32
>>>> channels
>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>
>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the Mac
>>>> only
>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86761 is a reply to message #86753] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 14:18 |
wireline[24]
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Hmmm...
At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING board,
is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once discontinued,
lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think very hard
about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good it sounds)
or even a Sony RMX100...
That said, none of my boards are current production models, even the companies
have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but parts
are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software, etc to
be concerned about.
Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just tape returns,
auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent miracle, and
(get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
Just an FYI
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't need
the
>preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME HDSP
>9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
of
>AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>
>;o)
>
>
>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even low
>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
that
>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that and
>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>
>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
as
>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>> level.
>>>
>>> wireline wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>>> homework,
>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best DAW
>>>> is
>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>
>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>> (again)
>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>> analog
>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
I
>>>> am,
>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>> tracking...kind
>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32
>>>> channels
>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>
>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the Mac
>>>> only
>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86770 is a reply to message #86761] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 15:31 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Nope just updated to the VCM version.
wireline wrote:
> Hmmm...
>
> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING board,
> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once discontinued,
> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think very hard
> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good it sounds)
> or even a Sony RMX100...
>
> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even the companies
> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but parts
> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software, etc to
> be concerned about.
>
> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just tape returns,
> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent miracle, and
> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>
> Just an FYI
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't need
>>
> the
>
>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME HDSP
>>
>
>
>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>
> of
>
>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>
>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even low
>>>>
>
>
>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>
> that
>
>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that and
>>>>
>
>
>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
>>>>
>
>
>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>
>
>
>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>
>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>
> as
>
>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>
>
>
>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>
>
>
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> homework,
>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best DAW
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> is
>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> (again)
>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>> analog
>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>
> I
>
>>>>> am,
>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> channels
>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the Mac
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> only
>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>> K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86772 is a reply to message #86770] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 16:12 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>
>
> wireline wrote:
>> Hmmm...
>>
>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING
>> board,
>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once
>> discontinued,
>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think very
>> hard
>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good it
>> sounds)
>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>
>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even the
>> companies
>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but
>> parts
>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software, etc to
>> be concerned about.
>>
>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just
>> tape returns,
>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent miracle, and
>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>
>> Just an FYI
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't need
>>>
>> the
>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME HDSP
>>>
>>
>>
>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>>
>> of
>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
>>>>> low
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>
>> that
>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>
>> as
>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> level.
>>>>>
>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
>>>>>> DAW
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for
>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>>> analog
>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>
>> I
>>>>>> am,
>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> channels
>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>> K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86779 is a reply to message #86772] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 19:40 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI Bill,
Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager software
makes it about easy as using a DAW.
Chris
Bill L wrote:
> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>
> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>
>>
>> wireline wrote:
>>> Hmmm...
>>>
>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING
>>> board,
>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once
>>> discontinued,
>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think
>>> very hard
>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good
>>> it sounds)
>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>
>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even the
>>> companies
>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but
>>> parts
>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software,
>>> etc to
>>> be concerned about.
>>>
>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just
>>> tape returns,
>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent
>>> miracle, and
>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>
>>> Just an FYI
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue
>>>> mixes. Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage.
>>>> I don't need
>>>>
>>> the
>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>>>> HDSP
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono
>>>> Channels
>>>>
>>> of
>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and
>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
>>>>>> as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does
>>>>>> that and
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>>>>>> life
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>
>>> as
>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an
>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and
>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the
>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for
>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all
>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>>
>>> I
>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've
>>>>>>> got 32
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of
>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86780 is a reply to message #86758] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 20:16 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800 these
are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer will
make your life easier..
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI DJ,
>Less than analog console.
>The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs @
>96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects or
>Mic-Pres if needed.
>You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
>3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to be
>dealers. :)
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't need
the
>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME HDSP
>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
of
>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>
>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
low
>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
that
>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
and
>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>
>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
as
>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>>>> homework,
>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
DAW
>>>>> is
>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>> (again)
>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>> analog
>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
I
>>>>> am,
>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32
>>>>> channels
>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
Mac
>>>>> only
>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>> K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86789 is a reply to message #86779] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 05:09 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Senior Member |
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Chris,
I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as
discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w update?
I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/ more
dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know
anything about those?
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> HI Bill,
> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager software
> makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>
>>>
>>> wireline wrote:
>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING
>>>> board,
>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once
>>>> discontinued,
>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think
>>>> very hard
>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good
>>>> it sounds)
>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>
>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even the
>>>> companies
>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but
>>>> parts
>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software,
>>>> etc to
>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>
>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just
>>>> tape returns,
>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent
>>>> miracle, and
>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>
>>>> Just an FYI
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue
>>>>> mixes. Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage.
>>>>> I don't need
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>>>>> HDSP
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono
>>>>> Channels
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and
>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
>>>>>>> as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does
>>>>>>> that and
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an
>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and
>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the
>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for
>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging
>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all
>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've
>>>>>>>> got 32
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of
>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86795 is a reply to message #86789] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 08:30 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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HI Bill,
Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the quality and
number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more routing
options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet.
Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the DM1000v2? I
think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be
discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That ones
feature set is getting long in th e tooth.
Chris
Bill L wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as
> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w update?
>
> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/
> more dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know
> anything about those?
>
> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>> HI Bill,
>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager
>> software makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an
>>>>> asTOUNDING board,
>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital,
>>>>> once discontinued,
>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think
>>>>> very hard
>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good
>>>>> it sounds)
>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even
>>>>> the companies
>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio
>>>>> biz...but parts
>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software,
>>>>> etc to
>>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just
>>>>> tape returns,
>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent
>>>>> miracle, and
>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>>
>>>>> Just an FYI
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue
>>>>>> mixes. Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to
>>>>>> manage. I don't need
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x
>>>>>> RME HDSP
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono
>>>>>> Channels
>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and
>>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the
>>>>>>>> mindset
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and
>>>>>>>> central as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A
>>>>>>>> console does that and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that
>>>>>>>> makes life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses
>>>>>>>> and minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good
>>>>>>>> digital console
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an
>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and
>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing
>>>>>>>>> tons of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the
>>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for
>>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging
>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all
>>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've
>>>>>>>>> got 32
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of
>>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86797 is a reply to message #86795] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 08:43 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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Well heck, if it's discontinued, it's right up my alley. It can replace my
discontinued Steinberg Houston.and interface with my *soon to be*
discontinued RME HDSP 9652's.
I'm starting to feel right at home again. I picked up a Demeter VTCL the
other day. Went to their site to DL a manual and guess what???........yep,
it's now *vintage*. It will feel right at home here in the *Studio Of The
Living Dead*.
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:46755517@linux...
> HI Bill,
> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the quality and
> number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more routing
> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet.
> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the DM1000v2? I
> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be
> discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That ones
> feature set is getting long in th e tooth.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as
>> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w update?
>>
>> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/ more
>> dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know anything
>> about those?
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> HI Bill,
>>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager software
>>> makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING
>>>>>> board,
>>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once
>>>>>> discontinued,
>>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think very
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good it
>>>>>> sounds)
>>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even the
>>>>>> companies
>>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but
>>>>>> parts
>>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software, etc
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just
>>>>>> tape returns,
>>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent miracle,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just an FYI
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>>>>>>> HDSP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono
>>>>>>> Channels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and
>>>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the
>>>>>>>>> mindset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
>>>>>>>>> as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does
>>>>>>>>> that and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital
>>>>>>>>> console
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and
>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the
>>>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for
>>>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging
>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all
>>>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
>>>>>>>>>> 32
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of
>>>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86798 is a reply to message #86780] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 08:44 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi Lamont,
Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend
thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer
stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in
general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them.
Chris
LaMont wrote:
> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800 these
> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
>
> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer will
> make your life easier..
>
>
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> HI DJ,
>> Less than analog console.
>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs @
>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>>
>
>
>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects or
>>
>
>
>> Mic-Pres if needed.
>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to be
>>
>
>
>> dealers. :)
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>
>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't need
>>>
> the
>
>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME HDSP
>>>
>
>
>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>>
> of
>
>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
>>>>>
> low
>
>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>
> that
>
>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes life
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>
> as
>
>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> level.
>>>>>
>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons of
>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
>>>>>>
> DAW
>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> analog
>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>
> I
>
>>>>>> am,
>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got 32
>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> channels
>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
>>>>>>
> Mac
>
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>> K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86802 is a reply to message #86798] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 09:26 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me
about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX)
processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel
in place of the stock EQ and comp..
I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps.
They are not bad..
I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they
worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really be
behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24 even
over the 02..
To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs
and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200
& 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint
that's tailor made for the mid-pro market...
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Lamont,
>Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend
>thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer
>stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in
>general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them.
>Chris
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800
these
>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
>>
>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer
will
>> make your life easier..
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HI DJ,
>>> Less than analog console.
>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs
@
>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>>>
>>
>>
>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects
or
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Mic-Pres if needed.
>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to
be
>>>
>>
>>
>>> dealers. :)
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't
need
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
HDSP
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
>>>>>>
>> low
>>
>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
life
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>
>> as
>>
>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
of
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
>>>>>>>
>> DAW
>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>>
>> I
>>
>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
32
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
>>>>>>>
>> Mac
>>
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86809 is a reply to message #86797] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 10:16 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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DJ,
I love that thing Deej. I have serial number 0026 as I recall.
It is very transparent as far as tube gear goes. Glues submixes
together in a luscious way. Try guitars or vocals. Nice.
James is really easy to talk to regarding his gear too.
Tom
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4675584c@linux...
Well heck, if it's discontinued, it's right up my alley. It can =
replace my=20
discontinued Steinberg Houston.and interface with my *soon to be*=20
discontinued RME HDSP 9652's.
I'm starting to feel right at home again. I picked up a Demeter VTCL =
the=20
other day. Went to their site to DL a manual and guess =
what???........yep,=20
it's now *vintage*. It will feel right at home here in the *Studio Of =
The=20
Living Dead*.
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message=20
news:46755517@linux...
> HI Bill,
> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the quality =
and=20
> number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more routing =
> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet.
> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the DM1000v2? =
I=20
> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be=20
> discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That ones=20
> feature set is getting long in th e tooth.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as=20
>> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w =
update?
>>
>> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/ =
more=20
>> dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know =
anything=20
>> about those?
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> HI Bill,
>>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager =
software=20
>>> makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an =
asTOUNDING=20
>>>>>> board,
>>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, =
once=20
>>>>>> discontinued,
>>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would =
think very=20
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how =
good it=20
>>>>>> sounds)
>>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, =
even the=20
>>>>>> companies
>>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio =
biz...but=20
>>>>>> parts
>>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, =
software, etc=20
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, =
just=20
>>>>>> tape returns,
>>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent =
miracle,=20
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just an FYI
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue =
mixes.=20
>>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I =
don't=20
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 =
x RME=20
>>>>>>> HDSP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 =
mono=20
>>>>>>> Channels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... =
;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct =
and=20
>>>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the =
>>>>>>>>> mindset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and =
central=20
>>>>>>>>> as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console =
does=20
>>>>>>>>> that and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that =
makes=20
>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the =
people,=20
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of =
signals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have =
pluses and=20
>>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital =
>>>>>>>>> console
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than =
an=20
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price =
and=20
>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing =
tons=20
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that =
the=20
>>>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for=20
>>>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging =
>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have =
all=20
>>>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die =
hard=20
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console =
for=20
>>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, =
I've got=20
>>>>>>>>>> 32
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review =
of=20
>>>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
> --=20
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DJ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I love that thing Deej. I have =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>together in a luscious way. Try =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>James is really easy to talk to =
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heck, if it's discontinued, it's right up my alley. It can replace my=20
<BR>discontinued Steinberg Houston.and interface with my *soon to be*=20
<BR>discontinued RME HDSP 9652's.<BR><BR>I'm starting to feel right at =
home=20
again. I picked up a Demeter VTCL the <BR>other day. Went to their =
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feel=20
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Dead*.<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Chris Ludwig" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
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HI Bill,<BR>> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase =
and the=20
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software has=20
more routing <BR>> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one=20
yet.<BR>> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the =
DM1000v2? I <BR>> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that =
has a=20
chance to be <BR>> discontinued. But normally they just replace and =
upgrade. That ones <BR>> feature set is getting long in th e=20
tooth.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Chris<BR>><BR>><BR>> Bill L=20
wrote:<BR>>> Chris,<BR>>><BR>>> I took a look at =
their site=20
and they do show the DM series as <BR>>> discontinued. Are the =
new ones=20
basically the same, but with a s/w update?<BR>>><BR>>> I =
also saw=20
some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/ more =
<BR>>>=20
dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know =
anything=20
<BR>>> about those?<BR>>><BR>>> Chris Ludwig=20
wrote:<BR>>>> HI Bill,<BR>>>> Yes if just using the =
little=20
screen. Using the Studio manager software <BR>>>> makes it =
about easy=20
as using a DAW.<BR>>>><BR>>>>=20
Chris<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>> Bill L=20
wrote:<BR>>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very =
Complicated=20
Matrix.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Chris Ludwig=20
wrote:<BR>>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM=20
=
version.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>&=
gt;>=20
wireline wrote:<BR>>>>>>>=20
Hmmm...<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> At the =
risk of=20
being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING=20
<BR>>>>>>> board,<BR>>>>>>> is=20
discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once=20
<BR>>>>>>> discontinued,<BR>>>>>>> =
lack of=20
any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think very=20
<BR>>>>>>> hard<BR>>>>>>> about =
the DM2000=20
(even though I really was amazed at just how good it=20
<BR>>>>>>> sounds)<BR>>>>>>> or =
even a=20
Sony RMX100...<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> =
That=20
said, none of my boards are current production models, even the=20
<BR>>>>>>> companies<BR>>>>>>> =
have=20
changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but=20
<BR>>>>>>> parts<BR>>>>>>> are =
readily=20
available, and there are no digital issues, software, etc=20
<BR>>>>>>> to<BR>>>>>>> be =
concerned=20
about.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Last=20
FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just=20
<BR>>>>>>> tape returns,<BR>>>>>>> =
auxes=20
out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent miracle,=20
<BR>>>>>>> and<BR>>>>>>> (get =
this) 48=20
channels of Eagle=20
automation....<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> =
Just an=20
FYI<BR>>>>>>> "DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> My =
Furman=20
HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.=20
<BR>>>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid =
out and=20
easy to manage. I don't <BR>>>>>>>>=20
need<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>=20
the<BR>>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost =
with=20
interconnectivity for3 x RME <BR>>>>>>>>=20
=
HDSP<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>><BR>>&=
gt;>>>><BR>>>>>>>>=20
9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono=20
<BR>>>>>>>>=20
Channels<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>=20
of<BR>>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical=20
=
S/Pdif?<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>=20
=
;o)<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> <BR>&g=
t;>>>>>>=20
"EK Sound" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:askme@nospam.com">askme@nospam.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <BR>>>>>>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:467438ac$1@linux">news:467438ac$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
t;>>>><BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;=20
Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K...=20
=
;-)<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt; <BR> >>>>>>>& ;g=
t;=20
=
David.<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt; <BR>>>>>>>>=
;>=20
Bill L=20
=
wrote:<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt; <BR>>>>>>>>=
;>>=20
I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and=20
<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;> even=20
=
low<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;> <BR>>>>>>><B=
R>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;>=20
latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the=20
<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;>=20
=
mindset<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;> <BR>>>>>>&g=
t;=20
that<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;> managing the flows in the =
studio=20
should be as simple and central =
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86815 is a reply to message #86802] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 11:24 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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If I was going to spend $5k on a console (isn't that what youse
guys said these things were going for?), I would hunt down a
Trident Series-24, either a 24 or 32-channel version. They can
be had for that kind of price range.
Digital mixing, I can already get that ITB - I wouldn't need to
spend another $5k on it.
Neil
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me
>about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX)
>processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel
>in place of the stock EQ and comp..
>
>I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps.
>They are not bad..
>
>I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they
>worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really
be
>behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24
even
>over the 02..
>
>To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs
>and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200
>& 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint
>that's tailor made for the mid-pro market...
>
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>Hi Lamont,
>>Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend
>
>>thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer
>>stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in
>>general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them.
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800
>these
>>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
>>>
>>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer
>will
>>> make your life easier..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI DJ,
>>>> Less than analog console.
>>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs
>@
>>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>
>>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects
>or
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mic-Pres if needed.
>>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
>
>>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to
>be
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> dealers. :)
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>
>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't
>need
>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>HDSP
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
>>>>>>>
>>> low
>>>
>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
as
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>life
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>
>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
>>>>>>>>
>>> DAW
>>>
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
>32
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
>>>>>>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>> ADK
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86824 is a reply to message #86797] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 12:16 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Hi DJ,
The 9652's are not being discontinued. They are putting out a PCI-E
version. The DM2k was replaced not discontinued. :)
I think your new Indian name will be Johnny Darkcloud. :)
Chris
DJ wrote:
> Well heck, if it's discontinued, it's right up my alley. It can replace my
> discontinued Steinberg Houston.and interface with my *soon to be*
> discontinued RME HDSP 9652's.
>
> I'm starting to feel right at home again. I picked up a Demeter VTCL the
> other day. Went to their site to DL a manual and guess what???........yep,
> it's now *vintage*. It will feel right at home here in the *Studio Of The
> Living Dead*.
>
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:46755517@linux...
>
>> HI Bill,
>> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the quality and
>> number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more routing
>> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet.
>> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the DM1000v2? I
>> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be
>> discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That ones
>> feature set is getting long in th e tooth.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as
>>> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w update?
>>>
>>> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/ more
>>> dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know anything
>>> about those?
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI Bill,
>>>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager software
>>>> makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING
>>>>>>> board,
>>>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once
>>>>>>> discontinued,
>>>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think very
>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good it
>>>>>>> sounds)
>>>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even the
>>>>>>> companies
>>>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but
>>>>>>> parts
>>>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software, etc
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just
>>>>>>> tape returns,
>>>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent miracle,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just an FYI
>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>>>>>>>> HDSP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono
>>>>>>>> Channels
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and
>>>>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the
>>>>>>>>>> mindset
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
>>>>>>>>>> as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does
>>>>>>>>>> that and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital
>>>>>>>>>> console
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an
>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and
>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the
>>>>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for
>>>>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging
>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all
>>>>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
>>>>>>>>>>> 32
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of
>>>>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86825 is a reply to message #86815] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 12:23 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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ITB. I hear ya.. But, to my ears, the best ITB mixers (DAWS) are Paris #1..Logic
Audio #2..Digital Perfomer #3...Nuendo/Cubase..#4...Pro Tools ..#5.. Sonar
..#6.
I'm listening to your mixes and if that's in the box form Cubase..Whew!!
we!!!... Nice!!
The Trident..Yes!! Excellen choice.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>If I was going to spend $5k on a console (isn't that what youse
>guys said these things were going for?), I would hunt down a
>Trident Series-24, either a 24 or 32-channel version. They can
>be had for that kind of price range.
>
>Digital mixing, I can already get that ITB - I wouldn't need to
>spend another $5k on it.
>
>Neil
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs
me
>>about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX)
>>processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel
>>in place of the stock EQ and comp..
>>
>>I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and
comps.
>>They are not bad..
>>
>>I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they
>>worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really
>be
>>behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24
>even
>>over the 02..
>>
>>To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The
eqs
>>and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200
>>& 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint
>>that's tailor made for the mid-pro market...
>>
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Lamont,
>>>Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend
>>
>>>thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer
>>>stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in
>>>general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them.
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800
>>these
>>>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
>>>>
>>>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer
>>will
>>>> make your life easier..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>> Less than analog console.
>>>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>>>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs
>>@
>>>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>>
>>>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects
>>or
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mic-Pres if needed.
>>>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>
>>>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>
>>>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile.
The
>>
>>>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>>>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to
>>be
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> dealers. :)
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>
>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't
>>need
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>>HDSP
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
>>>>>>>>
>>>> low
>>>>
>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
>as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>>life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people,
which
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>
>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an
analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
>>of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> DAW
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all
the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard
that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
>>32
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of
the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Mac
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86826 is a reply to message #86815] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 12:28 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI Neil,
How much do the 24 to 32 analog AD/DA cost that we are going to need for
hooking up this trident?
:)
Chris
Neil wrote:
> If I was going to spend $5k on a console (isn't that what youse
> guys said these things were going for?), I would hunt down a
> Trident Series-24, either a 24 or 32-channel version. They can
> be had for that kind of price range.
>
> Digital mixing, I can already get that ITB - I wouldn't need to
> spend another $5k on it.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>> Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me
>> about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX)
>> processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel
>> in place of the stock EQ and comp..
>>
>> I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps.
>> They are not bad..
>>
>> I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they
>> worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really
>>
> be
>
>> behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24
>>
> even
>
>> over the 02..
>>
>> To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs
>> and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200
>> & 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint
>> that's tailor made for the mid-pro market...
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lamont,
>>> Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend
>>>
>>> thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer
>>> stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in
>>> general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800
>>>>
>> these
>>
>>>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
>>>>
>>>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer
>>>>
>> will
>>
>>>> make your life easier..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>> Less than analog console.
>>>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>>>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs
>>>>>
>> @
>>
>>>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>>>>>
>>>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects
>>>>>
>> or
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mic-Pres if needed.
>>>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
>>>>>
>>>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>>>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to
>>>>>
>> be
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> dealers. :)
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't
>>>>>>
>> need
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>>>>>>
>> HDSP
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> low
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
>>>>>>>>
> as
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>>>>>>>>
>> life
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
>>>>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> DAW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
>>>>>>>>>
>> 32
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Mac
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86833 is a reply to message #86809] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 12:56 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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This VTCL is SN 0010. My VTMP is so old it doesn't even have a SN. It =
was one of the first 50dB 10 prototypes. It was modded with Jensen =
output trannies when I got it. The VTCL isn't here yet. It's not modded =
with the trannies. I've got some Jensens and Sowters here I can use if I =
think It needs som "iron".
Does yours have the transformers?
Deej
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:46756e02@linux...
DJ,
I love that thing Deej. I have serial number 0026 as I recall.
It is very transparent as far as tube gear goes. Glues submixes
together in a luscious way. Try guitars or vocals. Nice.
James is really easy to talk to regarding his gear too.
Tom
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
news:4675584c@linux...
Well heck, if it's discontinued, it's right up my alley. It can =
replace my=20
discontinued Steinberg Houston.and interface with my *soon to be*=20
discontinued RME HDSP 9652's.
I'm starting to feel right at home again. I picked up a Demeter VTCL =
the=20
other day. Went to their site to DL a manual and guess =
what???........yep,=20
it's now *vintage*. It will feel right at home here in the *Studio =
Of The=20
Living Dead*.
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message=20
news:46755517@linux...
> HI Bill,
> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the =
quality and=20
> number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more =
routing=20
> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet.
> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the =
DM1000v2? I=20
> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be=20
> discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That =
ones=20
> feature set is getting long in th e tooth.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as=20
>> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w =
update?
>>
>> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, =
w/ more=20
>> dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know =
anything=20
>> about those?
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> HI Bill,
>>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager =
software=20
>>> makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an =
asTOUNDING=20
>>>>>> board,
>>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things =
digital, once=20
>>>>>> discontinued,
>>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would =
think very=20
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how =
good it=20
>>>>>> sounds)
>>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, =
even the=20
>>>>>> companies
>>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio =
biz...but=20
>>>>>> parts
>>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, =
software, etc=20
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, =
just=20
>>>>>> tape returns,
>>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent =
miracle,=20
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just an FYI
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for =
cue mixes.=20
>>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. =
I don't=20
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity =
for3 x RME=20
>>>>>>> HDSP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 =
mono=20
>>>>>>> Channels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a =
DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct =
and=20
>>>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have =
the=20
>>>>>>>>> mindset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and =
central=20
>>>>>>>>> as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A =
console does=20
>>>>>>>>> that and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure =
that makes=20
>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the =
people,=20
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of =
signals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have =
pluses and=20
>>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good =
digital=20
>>>>>>>>> console
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 =
than an=20
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price =
and=20
>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after =
doing tons=20
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that =
the=20
>>>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for=20
>>>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days =
rearranging=20
>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I =
have all=20
>>>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die =
hard=20
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console =
for=20
>>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, =
I've got=20
>>>>>>>>>> 32
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world =
review of=20
>>>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
> --=20
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This VTCL is SN 0010. My VTMP is =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does yours have the =
transformers?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DJ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I love that thing Deej. I have =
serial=20
number 0026 as I recall.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is very transparent as far as tube =
gear=20
goes. Glues submixes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>together in a luscious way. Try =
guitars or=20
vocals. Nice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>James is really easy to talk to =
regarding his=20
gear too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
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href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>> =
wrote=20
in message <A=20
href=3D"news:4675584c@linux">news:4675584c@linux</A>...</DIV>Well =
heck, if=20
it's discontinued, it's right up my alley. It can replace my=20
<BR>discontinued Steinberg Houston.and interface with my *soon to =
be*=20
<BR>discontinued RME HDSP 9652's.<BR><BR>I'm starting to feel right =
at home=20
again. I picked up a Demeter VTCL the <BR>other day. Went to their =
site to=20
DL a manual and guess what???........yep, <BR>it's now *vintage*. It =
will=20
feel right at home here in the *Studio Of The <BR>Living=20
Dead*.<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Chris Ludwig" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <BR><A =
href=3D"news:46755517@linux">news:46755517@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
HI Bill,<BR>> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase =
and the=20
quality and <BR>> number of effects. I think also the mixers =
software has=20
more routing <BR>> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one=20
yet.<BR>> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or =
the=20
DM1000v2? I <BR>> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that =
has a=20
chance to be <BR>> discontinued. But normally they just replace =
and=20
upgrade. That ones <BR>> feature set is getting long in th e=20
tooth.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Chris<BR>><BR>><BR>> Bill L=20
wrote:<BR>>> Chris,<BR>>><BR>>> I took a look at =
their=20
site and they do show the DM series as <BR>>> discontinued. =
Are the=20
new ones basically the same, but with a s/w =
update?<BR>>><BR>>>=20
I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/ =
more=20
<BR>>> dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers =
have.=20
Know anything <BR>>> about those?<BR>>><BR>>> =
Chris Ludwig=20
wrote:<BR>>>> HI Bill,<BR>>>> Yes if just using =
the little=20
screen. Using the Studio manager software <BR>>>> makes it =
about=20
easy as using a DAW.<BR>>>><BR>>>>=20
Chris<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>> Bill L=20
wrote:<BR>>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very =
Complicated=20
Matrix.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Chris Ludwig=20
wrote:<BR>>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM=20
=
version.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>&=
gt;>=20
wireline wrote:<BR>>>>>>>=20
Hmmm...<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> At =
the risk=20
of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING=20
<BR>>>>>>> board,<BR>>>>>>> is=20
discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once=20
<BR>>>>>>> =
discontinued,<BR>>>>>>> lack=20
of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think very=20
<BR>>>>>>> hard<BR>>>>>>> about =
the=20
DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good it=20
<BR>>>>>>> sounds)<BR>>>>>>> or =
even a=20
Sony =
RMX100...<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> That=20
said, none of my boards are current production models, even the=20
<BR>>>>>>> companies<BR>>>>>>> =
have=20
changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but=20
<BR>>>>>>> parts<BR>>>>>>> are =
readily=20
available, and there are no digital issues, software, etc=20
<BR>>>>>>> to<BR>>>>>>> be =
concerned=20
about.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Last=20
FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just=20
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86839 is a reply to message #86836] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 14:39 |
Deej [4]
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I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably we
like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure if
"consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not, even
if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems to be
a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion can
be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary if he
thought they were pimping crap.
Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail sale
(it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care was
taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
;o)
..
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>
> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>
> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
> these boards really get you there?
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>
>>What a POS.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>news:46759699$1@linux...
>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
> says
>>> something to me. ;)
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>
>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>> potential.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86840 is a reply to message #86815] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 15:03 |
Bill L
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Neil, I had a DM24 and I did not use it to mix, I used it for inputs and
monitoring and studio infrastructure and as a digital patchbay.
Neil wrote:
> If I was going to spend $5k on a console (isn't that what youse
> guys said these things were going for?), I would hunt down a
> Trident Series-24, either a 24 or 32-channel version. They can
> be had for that kind of price range.
>
> Digital mixing, I can already get that ITB - I wouldn't need to
> spend another $5k on it.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me
>> about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX)
>> processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel
>> in place of the stock EQ and comp..
>>
>> I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps.
>> They are not bad..
>>
>> I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they
>> worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really
> be
>> behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24
> even
>> over the 02..
>>
>> To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs
>> and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200
>> & 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint
>> that's tailor made for the mid-pro market...
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Lamont,
>>> Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend
>>> thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer
>>> stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in
>>> general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800
>> these
>>>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
>>>>
>>>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer
>> will
>>>> make your life easier..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>> Less than analog console.
>>>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>>>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs
>> @
>>>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>>>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects
>> or
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mic-Pres if needed.
>>>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>
>>>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>
>>>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
>>>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>>>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to
>> be
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> dealers. :)
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't
>> need
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>> HDSP
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
>>>>>>>>
>>>> low
>>>>
>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
> as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>> life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> DAW
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
>> 32
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Mac
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86842 is a reply to message #86795] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 15:09 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
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Yamaha have a new N Series of mixers that seem to be in the 01v range.
The page seems to be down at the moment on their site but I was looking
at them yesterday and they looked pretty cool.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> HI Bill,
> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the quality and
> number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more routing
> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet.
> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the DM1000v2? I
> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be
> discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That ones
> feature set is getting long in th e tooth.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as
>> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w update?
>>
>> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/
>> more dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know
>> anything about those?
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> HI Bill,
>>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager
>>> software makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an
>>>>>> asTOUNDING board,
>>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital,
>>>>>> once discontinued,
>>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think
>>>>>> very hard
>>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good
>>>>>> it sounds)
>>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even
>>>>>> the companies
>>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio
>>>>>> biz...but parts
>>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software,
>>>>>> etc to
>>>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just
>>>>>> tape returns,
>>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent
>>>>>> miracle, and
>>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just an FYI
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue
>>>>>>> mixes. Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to
>>>>>>> manage. I don't need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x
>>>>>>> RME HDSP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono
>>>>>>> Channels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and
>>>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the
>>>>>>>>> mindset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and
>>>>>>>>> central as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A
>>>>>>>>> console does that and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that
>>>>>>>>> makes life
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses
>>>>>>>>> and minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good
>>>>>>>>> digital console
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and
>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing
>>>>>>>>>> tons of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the
>>>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for
>>>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging
>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all
>>>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've
>>>>>>>>>> got 32
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of
>>>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86843 is a reply to message #86839] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 15:13 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
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$5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
great sound.
DJ wrote:
> I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably we
> like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
> affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure if
> "consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
> with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not, even
> if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems to be
> a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion can
> be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary if he
> thought they were pimping crap.
>
> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail sale
> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care was
> taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>
> ;o)
>
> .
> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>
>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>> these boards really get you there?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>> I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>> What a POS.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>> says
>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>> potential.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>
>
>
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