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Ok,
So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring in =
monthly?
I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least five =
days a week
in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus =
expenses and taxes.
So probably $3000 net.
Do you all agree?
I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of work =
for not much gain.
Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours a =
month.
I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other than =
my passion to=20
be my first business.
My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing =
business out of my garage.
There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it for =
15 years.
It is not my passion. It is work.
Anyway..
--=20
Thanks,
Brandon
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of business =
to=20
open.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the =
public as an=20
option.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small project =
studio=20
could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it would =
be booked=20
at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that =
is=20
$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but it =
seems like=20
a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my =
studio booked=20
160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate =
choosing=20
something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
electronics=20
manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I =
have been=20
doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76540 is a reply to message #76538] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 12:12  |
Don Nafe
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So do them both=20
This way you have high profit work (electronics) which will allow you to =
be more choosy re: your studio clients which if all goes well will =
provide you with enough work in the near future via word of mouth, to =
eventually make the electronic side of things a sideline.
Don
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:456f335e@linux...
Ok,
So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring in =
monthly?
I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least five =
days a week
in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus =
expenses and taxes.
So probably $3000 net.
Do you all agree?
I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of =
work for not much gain.
Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours a =
month.
I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other =
than my passion to=20
be my first business.
My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing =
business out of my garage.
There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it for =
15 years.
It is not my passion. It is work.
Anyway..
--=20
Thanks,
Brandon
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So do them both </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This way you have high profit work =
(electronics)=20
which will allow you to be more choosy re: your studio clients which if =
all goes=20
well will provide you with enough work in the near future via word of =
mouth, to=20
eventually make the electronic side of things a sideline.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote in =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of business =
to=20
open.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the =
public as an=20
option.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small =
project studio=20
could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it would =
be booked=20
at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that =
is=20
$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but it =
seems=20
like a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my =
studio booked=20
160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate =
choosing=20
something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
electronics=20
manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit, but =
I have=20
been doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76542 is a reply to message #76538] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 13:32 |
Neil
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Is $30 an hour what you'd have to charge to be competitive in
your area? What if you charged $60 - could you get away with
that?
M-F wake-up till 6 or 7pm, you'll get little to no "music"
business because most of the musicians you'll be dealing with
have regular jobs anyway, so maybe you could do some electronics
work during those hours or try to get some commercial audio biz
therein (if there's any decent amount of that being done in your
area).
After normal "work hours" & weekends are when you'd get the bulk
of your music recording work:
Sat & Sun, sell it as a day-long "lockout" for $500 for ten
hours, $60 an hour additional after that per day. That's a grand
per week for the weekends, then sell your weeknights as straight
hourly time at $50 or $60 per hour, but don't plan on counting
on more than a couple nights a week being booked - at least not
at first until you get pretty well-established.
Here's the thing though... what might now be a "passion" will
ultimately become "work" as well - as soon as you have to start
depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
THAT, my friend, is WORK!
Neil
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>
>Ok,
>
>So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
>I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
>How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring in =
>monthly?
>I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least five =
>days a week
>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus =
>expenses and taxes.
>So probably $3000 net.
>Do you all agree?
>I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of work
=
>for not much gain.
>Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours a =
>month.
>
>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other than
=
>my passion to=20
>be my first business.
>
>My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing =
>business out of my garage.
>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it for =
>15 years.
>It is not my passion. It is work.
>
>Anyway..
>
>--=20
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of business =
>to=20
>open.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the =
>public as an=20
>option.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small project
=
>studio=20
>could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it would =
>be booked=20
>at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that =
>is=20
>$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but it =
>seems like=20
>a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my =
>studio booked=20
>160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate =
>choosing=20
>something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
>electronics=20
>manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I
=
>have been=20
>doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is work.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76544 is a reply to message #76542] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 13:25 |
DJ
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>.........as soon as you have to start
depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
THAT, my friend, is WORK!<
That's why drugs were invented Neil.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456f3fc5$1@linux...
>
> Is $30 an hour what you'd have to charge to be competitive in
> your area? What if you charged $60 - could you get away with
> that?
>
> M-F wake-up till 6 or 7pm, you'll get little to no "music"
> business because most of the musicians you'll be dealing with
> have regular jobs anyway, so maybe you could do some electronics
> work during those hours or try to get some commercial audio biz
> therein (if there's any decent amount of that being done in your
> area).
>
> After normal "work hours" & weekends are when you'd get the bulk
> of your music recording work:
>
> Sat & Sun, sell it as a day-long "lockout" for $500 for ten
> hours, $60 an hour additional after that per day. That's a grand
> per week for the weekends, then sell your weeknights as straight
> hourly time at $50 or $60 per hour, but don't plan on counting
> on more than a couple nights a week being booked - at least not
> at first until you get pretty well-established.
>
> Here's the thing though... what might now be a "passion" will
> ultimately become "work" as well - as soon as you have to start
> depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
> in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
> THAT, my friend, is WORK!
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Ok,
>>
>>So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
>>I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
>>How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring in =
>>monthly?
>>I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least five =
>>days a week
>>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus =
>>expenses and taxes.
>>So probably $3000 net.
>>Do you all agree?
>>I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of work
> =
>>for not much gain.
>>Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours a =
>>month.
>>
>>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other than
> =
>>my passion to=20
>>be my first business.
>>
>>My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing =
>>business out of my garage.
>>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it for =
>>15 years.
>>It is not my passion. It is work.
>>
>>Anyway..
>>
>>--=20
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Brandon
>>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of business =
>>to=20
>>open.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the =
>>public as an=20
>>option.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small project
> =
>>studio=20
>>could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it would =
>>be booked=20
>>at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that =
>>is=20
>>$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but it =
>>seems like=20
>>a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my =
>>studio booked=20
>>160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate =
>>choosing=20
>>something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
>>electronics=20
>>manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I
> =
>>have been=20
>>doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is work.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76545 is a reply to message #76544] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 13:33 |
brandon[2]
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I understand about it becoming work and killing the passion.
I can see myself not wanting to record my own stuff because I have been
couped up in there so long.
I think $30 is all could charge in Austin.
There is a well known studio..LoneWolf which is part of ZZTops outfit.
They charge $30/hr.
The place is a dump with no inspiration, but they have tons of expensive
outboard gear and they are running
the best DAW ever!!! Pro Tools!!
Plus they have those expensive Newmanner microphones..you know.
I can't see musicians around here taking my studio over the name associated
with that place.
Even if the service and end product is comparable.
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:456f49bf@linux...
> >.........as soon as you have to start
> depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
> in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
> THAT, my friend, is WORK!<
>
> That's why drugs were invented Neil.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456f3fc5$1@linux...
> >
> > Is $30 an hour what you'd have to charge to be competitive in
> > your area? What if you charged $60 - could you get away with
> > that?
> >
> > M-F wake-up till 6 or 7pm, you'll get little to no "music"
> > business because most of the musicians you'll be dealing with
> > have regular jobs anyway, so maybe you could do some electronics
> > work during those hours or try to get some commercial audio biz
> > therein (if there's any decent amount of that being done in your
> > area).
> >
> > After normal "work hours" & weekends are when you'd get the bulk
> > of your music recording work:
> >
> > Sat & Sun, sell it as a day-long "lockout" for $500 for ten
> > hours, $60 an hour additional after that per day. That's a grand
> > per week for the weekends, then sell your weeknights as straight
> > hourly time at $50 or $60 per hour, but don't plan on counting
> > on more than a couple nights a week being booked - at least not
> > at first until you get pretty well-established.
> >
> > Here's the thing though... what might now be a "passion" will
> > ultimately become "work" as well - as soon as you have to start
> > depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
> > in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
> > THAT, my friend, is WORK!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
> > "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>Ok,
> >>
> >>So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
> >>I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
> >>How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring in =
> >>monthly?
> >>I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least five =
> >>days a week
> >>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus =
> >>expenses and taxes.
> >>So probably $3000 net.
> >>Do you all agree?
> >>I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of work
> > =
> >>for not much gain.
> >>Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours a =
> >>month.
> >>
> >>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other than
> > =
> >>my passion to=20
> >>be my first business.
> >>
> >>My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing =
> >>business out of my garage.
> >>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it for =
> >>15 years.
> >>It is not my passion. It is work.
> >>
> >>Anyway..
> >>
> >>--=20
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Brandon
> >>
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> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of business =
> >>to=20
> >>open.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the =
> >>public as an=20
> >>option.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small project
> > =
> >>studio=20
> >>could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it would =
> >>be booked=20
> >>at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that =
> >>is=20
> >>$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but it =
> >>seems like=20
> >>a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my =
> >>studio booked=20
> >>160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate =
> >>choosing=20
> >>something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
> >>electronics=20
> >>manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I
> > =
> >>have been=20
> >>doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is work.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76549 is a reply to message #76545] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 18:50 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Brandon,
You're in a really tough market there. I've got a good friend in Austin who
been engineering/producing records there for 25 years. He's got an extremely
loyal client base, charges $70.00 and is booked almost constantly, but it's
a rare situation.
Deej
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:456f4bac$1@linux...
>I understand about it becoming work and killing the passion.
> I can see myself not wanting to record my own stuff because I have been
> couped up in there so long.
> I think $30 is all could charge in Austin.
> There is a well known studio..LoneWolf which is part of ZZTops outfit.
> They charge $30/hr.
> The place is a dump with no inspiration, but they have tons of expensive
> outboard gear and they are running
> the best DAW ever!!! Pro Tools!!
> Plus they have those expensive Newmanner microphones..you know.
> I can't see musicians around here taking my studio over the name
> associated
> with that place.
> Even if the service and end product is comparable.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:456f49bf@linux...
>> >.........as soon as you have to start
>> depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
>> in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
>> THAT, my friend, is WORK!<
>>
>> That's why drugs were invented Neil.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456f3fc5$1@linux...
>> >
>> > Is $30 an hour what you'd have to charge to be competitive in
>> > your area? What if you charged $60 - could you get away with
>> > that?
>> >
>> > M-F wake-up till 6 or 7pm, you'll get little to no "music"
>> > business because most of the musicians you'll be dealing with
>> > have regular jobs anyway, so maybe you could do some electronics
>> > work during those hours or try to get some commercial audio biz
>> > therein (if there's any decent amount of that being done in your
>> > area).
>> >
>> > After normal "work hours" & weekends are when you'd get the bulk
>> > of your music recording work:
>> >
>> > Sat & Sun, sell it as a day-long "lockout" for $500 for ten
>> > hours, $60 an hour additional after that per day. That's a grand
>> > per week for the weekends, then sell your weeknights as straight
>> > hourly time at $50 or $60 per hour, but don't plan on counting
>> > on more than a couple nights a week being booked - at least not
>> > at first until you get pretty well-established.
>> >
>> > Here's the thing though... what might now be a "passion" will
>> > ultimately become "work" as well - as soon as you have to start
>> > depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
>> > in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
>> > THAT, my friend, is WORK!
>> >
>> > Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Ok,
>> >>
>> >>So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
>> >>I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
>> >>How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring in
>> >>=
>> >>monthly?
>> >>I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least five
>> >>=
>> >>days a week
>> >>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus =
>> >>expenses and taxes.
>> >>So probably $3000 net.
>> >>Do you all agree?
>> >>I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of work
>> > =
>> >>for not much gain.
>> >>Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours a =
>> >>month.
>> >>
>> >>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other
>> >>than
>> > =
>> >>my passion to=20
>> >>be my first business.
>> >>
>> >>My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing =
>> >>business out of my garage.
>> >>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it for
>> >>=
>> >>15 years.
>> >>It is not my passion. It is work.
>> >>
>> >>Anyway..
>> >>
>> >>--=20
>> >>Thanks,
>> >>
>> >>Brandon
>> >>
>> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> >><HTML><HEAD>
>> >><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>> >>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>> >><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR>
>> >><STYLE></STYLE>
>> >></HEAD>
>> >><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of business
>> >>=
>> >>to=20
>> >>open.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the =
>> >>public as an=20
>> >>option.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small
>> >>project
>> > =
>> >>studio=20
>> >>could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it would
>> >>=
>> >>be booked=20
>> >>at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that
>> >>=
>> >>is=20
>> >>$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but it
>> >>=
>> >>seems like=20
>> >>a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my =
>> >>studio booked=20
>> >>160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate =
>> >>choosing=20
>> >>something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
>> >>electronics=20
>> >>manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I
>> > =
>> >>have been=20
>> >>doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is work.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76550 is a reply to message #76549] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 20:48 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Then fuck it, Brandon... $30 an hour isn't worth your time -
charge $50 and put "Lone Woof" out of business... give better
service, a better vibe, more satisfied customers, and start
doing it part-time in your spare time so you don't have to
worry about putting food on the table with that as your sole
income... word will get around; that is if you're up to the
challenge and CAN do a better job then the uninspired Newmanner-
equipped guys at "that other place".
Seriously. Set a new standard.
Neil
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>Brandon,
>
>You're in a really tough market there. I've got a good friend in Austin
who
>been engineering/producing records there for 25 years. He's got an extremely
>loyal client base, charges $70.00 and is booked almost constantly, but it's
>a rare situation.
>
>Deej
>
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:456f4bac$1@linux...
>>I understand about it becoming work and killing the passion.
>> I can see myself not wanting to record my own stuff because I have been
>> couped up in there so long.
>> I think $30 is all could charge in Austin.
>> There is a well known studio..LoneWolf which is part of ZZTops outfit.
>> They charge $30/hr.
>> The place is a dump with no inspiration, but they have tons of expensive
>> outboard gear and they are running
>> the best DAW ever!!! Pro Tools!!
>> Plus they have those expensive Newmanner microphones..you know.
>> I can't see musicians around here taking my studio over the name
>> associated
>> with that place.
>> Even if the service and end product is comparable.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:456f49bf@linux...
>>> >.........as soon as you have to start
>>> depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
>>> in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
>>> THAT, my friend, is WORK!<
>>>
>>> That's why drugs were invented Neil.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456f3fc5$1@linux...
>>> >
>>> > Is $30 an hour what you'd have to charge to be competitive in
>>> > your area? What if you charged $60 - could you get away with
>>> > that?
>>> >
>>> > M-F wake-up till 6 or 7pm, you'll get little to no "music"
>>> > business because most of the musicians you'll be dealing with
>>> > have regular jobs anyway, so maybe you could do some electronics
>>> > work during those hours or try to get some commercial audio biz
>>> > therein (if there's any decent amount of that being done in your
>>> > area).
>>> >
>>> > After normal "work hours" & weekends are when you'd get the bulk
>>> > of your music recording work:
>>> >
>>> > Sat & Sun, sell it as a day-long "lockout" for $500 for ten
>>> > hours, $60 an hour additional after that per day. That's a grand
>>> > per week for the weekends, then sell your weeknights as straight
>>> > hourly time at $50 or $60 per hour, but don't plan on counting
>>> > on more than a couple nights a week being booked - at least not
>>> > at first until you get pretty well-established.
>>> >
>>> > Here's the thing though... what might now be a "passion" will
>>> > ultimately become "work" as well - as soon as you have to start
>>> > depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
>>> > in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
>>> > THAT, my friend, is WORK!
>>> >
>>> > Neil
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Ok,
>>> >>
>>> >>So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
>>> >>I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
>>> >>How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring
in
>>> >>=
>>> >>monthly?
>>> >>I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least five
>>> >>=
>>> >>days a week
>>> >>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus
=
>>> >>expenses and taxes.
>>> >>So probably $3000 net.
>>> >>Do you all agree?
>>> >>I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of
work
>>> > =
>>> >>for not much gain.
>>> >>Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours
a =
>>> >>month.
>>> >>
>>> >>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other
>>> >>than
>>> > =
>>> >>my passion to=20
>>> >>be my first business.
>>> >>
>>> >>My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing =
>>> >>business out of my garage.
>>> >>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it
for
>>> >>=
>>> >>15 years.
>>> >>It is not my passion. It is work.
>>> >>
>>> >>Anyway..
>>> >>
>>> >>--=20
>>> >>Thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >>Brandon
>>> >>
>>> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>> >><HTML><HEAD>
>>> >><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>> >>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>> >><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>> >><STYLE></STYLE>
>>> >></HEAD>
>>> >><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of business
>>> >>=
>>> >>to=20
>>> >>open.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the
=
>>> >>public as an=20
>>> >>option.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small
>>> >>project
>>> > =
>>> >>studio=20
>>> >>could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it would
>>> >>=
>>> >>be booked=20
>>> >>at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that
>>> >>=
>>> >>is=20
>>> >>$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but
it
>>> >>=
>>> >>seems like=20
>>> >>a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my
=
>>> >>studio booked=20
>>> >>160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate
=
>>> >>choosing=20
>>> >>something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
>>> >>electronics=20
>>> >>manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit, but
I
>>> > =
>>> >>have been=20
>>> >>doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is work.</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76551 is a reply to message #76550] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 21:00 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Neil,
I'm not trying to discourage anyone, but he's up against some stiff
competition. In order to charge $50.00 per hour, he's going to need to be
able to offer something along these lines:
http://www.flashpointrecording.com/
I know the owner of this studio and it's been there forever.very well
established and stays busy. I think $50.00 is the going rate there, but it's
been a while since I talked to them.
Austin is a tough town but if Brandon can hang in there and deliver a
superior product and the buzz gets around, well, who knows.
Regards,
Deej
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456fa5fc$1@linux...
>
> Then fuck it, Brandon... $30 an hour isn't worth your time -
> charge $50 and put "Lone Woof" out of business... give better
> service, a better vibe, more satisfied customers, and start
> doing it part-time in your spare time so you don't have to
> worry about putting food on the table with that as your sole
> income... word will get around; that is if you're up to the
> challenge and CAN do a better job then the uninspired Newmanner-
> equipped guys at "that other place".
>
> Seriously. Set a new standard.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>Brandon,
>>
>>You're in a really tough market there. I've got a good friend in Austin
> who
>>been engineering/producing records there for 25 years. He's got an
>>extremely
>
>>loyal client base, charges $70.00 and is booked almost constantly, but
>>it's
>
>>a rare situation.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:456f4bac$1@linux...
>>>I understand about it becoming work and killing the passion.
>>> I can see myself not wanting to record my own stuff because I have been
>>> couped up in there so long.
>>> I think $30 is all could charge in Austin.
>>> There is a well known studio..LoneWolf which is part of ZZTops outfit.
>>> They charge $30/hr.
>>> The place is a dump with no inspiration, but they have tons of expensive
>>> outboard gear and they are running
>>> the best DAW ever!!! Pro Tools!!
>>> Plus they have those expensive Newmanner microphones..you know.
>>> I can't see musicians around here taking my studio over the name
>>> associated
>>> with that place.
>>> Even if the service and end product is comparable.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:456f49bf@linux...
>>>> >.........as soon as you have to start
>>>> depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
>>>> in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
>>>> THAT, my friend, is WORK!<
>>>>
>>>> That's why drugs were invented Neil.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456f3fc5$1@linux...
>>>> >
>>>> > Is $30 an hour what you'd have to charge to be competitive in
>>>> > your area? What if you charged $60 - could you get away with
>>>> > that?
>>>> >
>>>> > M-F wake-up till 6 or 7pm, you'll get little to no "music"
>>>> > business because most of the musicians you'll be dealing with
>>>> > have regular jobs anyway, so maybe you could do some electronics
>>>> > work during those hours or try to get some commercial audio biz
>>>> > therein (if there's any decent amount of that being done in your
>>>> > area).
>>>> >
>>>> > After normal "work hours" & weekends are when you'd get the bulk
>>>> > of your music recording work:
>>>> >
>>>> > Sat & Sun, sell it as a day-long "lockout" for $500 for ten
>>>> > hours, $60 an hour additional after that per day. That's a grand
>>>> > per week for the weekends, then sell your weeknights as straight
>>>> > hourly time at $50 or $60 per hour, but don't plan on counting
>>>> > on more than a couple nights a week being booked - at least not
>>>> > at first until you get pretty well-established.
>>>> >
>>>> > Here's the thing though... what might now be a "passion" will
>>>> > ultimately become "work" as well - as soon as you have to start
>>>> > depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
>>>> > in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
>>>> > THAT, my friend, is WORK!
>>>> >
>>>> > Neil
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Ok,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
>>>> >>I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
>>>> >>How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring
> in
>>>> >>=
>>>> >>monthly?
>>>> >>I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least
>>>> >>five
>
>>>> >>=
>>>> >>days a week
>>>> >>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus
> =
>>>> >>expenses and taxes.
>>>> >>So probably $3000 net.
>>>> >>Do you all agree?
>>>> >>I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of
> work
>>>> > =
>>>> >>for not much gain.
>>>> >>Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours
> a =
>>>> >>month.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other
>
>>>> >>than
>>>> > =
>>>> >>my passion to=20
>>>> >>be my first business.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing =
>>>> >>business out of my garage.
>>>> >>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it
> for
>>>> >>=
>>>> >>15 years.
>>>> >>It is not my passion. It is work.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Anyway..
>>>> >>
>>>> >>--=20
>>>> >>Thanks,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Brandon
>>>> >>
>>>> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>> >><HTML><HEAD>
>>>> >><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>> >>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>> >><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>> >><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>> >></HEAD>
>>>> >><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of
>>>> >>business
>
>>>> >>=
>>>> >>to=20
>>>> >>open.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the
> =
>>>> >>public as an=20
>>>> >>option.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small
>>>> >>project
>>>> > =
>>>> >>studio=20
>>>> >>could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it
>>>> >>would
>
>>>> >>=
>>>> >>be booked=20
>>>> >>at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr
>>>> >>that
>
>>>> >>=
>>>> >>is=20
>>>> >>$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but
> it
>>>> >>=
>>>> >>seems like=20
>>>> >>a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my
> =
>>>> >>studio booked=20
>>>> >>160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate
> =
>>>> >>choosing=20
>>>> >>something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
>>>> >>electronics=20
>>>> >>manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit, but
> I
>>>> > =
>>>> >>have been=20
>>>> >>doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is
>>>> >>work.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76552 is a reply to message #76551] |
Thu, 30 November 2006 22:16 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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Allimsayin' is something like this: If Flashpoint stays very
busy at $50 an hour, and Lone Wolf stays jam-fucking-packed at
$30 an hour, then there's probably room for someone else to get
SOME business at also $50 an hour. Start out part-time, produce
the best product he can & provide a nice creative vibe, and see
what happens.
Neil
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>Neil,
>
>I'm not trying to discourage anyone, but he's up against some stiff
>competition. In order to charge $50.00 per hour, he's going to need to be
>able to offer something along these lines:
>
>http://www.flashpointrecording.com/
>
>I know the owner of this studio and it's been there forever.very well
>established and stays busy. I think $50.00 is the going rate there, but
it's
>been a while since I talked to them.
>
>Austin is a tough town but if Brandon can hang in there and deliver a
>superior product and the buzz gets around, well, who knows.
>
>Regards,
>
>Deej
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456fa5fc$1@linux...
>>
>> Then fuck it, Brandon... $30 an hour isn't worth your time -
>> charge $50 and put "Lone Woof" out of business... give better
>> service, a better vibe, more satisfied customers, and start
>> doing it part-time in your spare time so you don't have to
>> worry about putting food on the table with that as your sole
>> income... word will get around; that is if you're up to the
>> challenge and CAN do a better job then the uninspired Newmanner-
>> equipped guys at "that other place".
>>
>> Seriously. Set a new standard.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>Brandon,
>>>
>>>You're in a really tough market there. I've got a good friend in Austin
>> who
>>>been engineering/producing records there for 25 years. He's got an
>>>extremely
>>
>>>loyal client base, charges $70.00 and is booked almost constantly, but
>>>it's
>>
>>>a rare situation.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:456f4bac$1@linux...
>>>>I understand about it becoming work and killing the passion.
>>>> I can see myself not wanting to record my own stuff because I have been
>>>> couped up in there so long.
>>>> I think $30 is all could charge in Austin.
>>>> There is a well known studio..LoneWolf which is part of ZZTops outfit.
>>>> They charge $30/hr.
>>>> The place is a dump with no inspiration, but they have tons of expensive
>>>> outboard gear and they are running
>>>> the best DAW ever!!! Pro Tools!!
>>>> Plus they have those expensive Newmanner microphones..you know.
>>>> I can't see musicians around here taking my studio over the name
>>>> associated
>>>> with that place.
>>>> Even if the service and end product is comparable.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:456f49bf@linux...
>>>>> >.........as soon as you have to start
>>>>> depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
>>>>> in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
>>>>> THAT, my friend, is WORK!<
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why drugs were invented Neil.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456f3fc5$1@linux...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is $30 an hour what you'd have to charge to be competitive in
>>>>> > your area? What if you charged $60 - could you get away with
>>>>> > that?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > M-F wake-up till 6 or 7pm, you'll get little to no "music"
>>>>> > business because most of the musicians you'll be dealing with
>>>>> > have regular jobs anyway, so maybe you could do some electronics
>>>>> > work during those hours or try to get some commercial audio biz
>>>>> > therein (if there's any decent amount of that being done in your
>>>>> > area).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > After normal "work hours" & weekends are when you'd get the bulk
>>>>> > of your music recording work:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sat & Sun, sell it as a day-long "lockout" for $500 for ten
>>>>> > hours, $60 an hour additional after that per day. That's a grand
>>>>> > per week for the weekends, then sell your weeknights as straight
>>>>> > hourly time at $50 or $60 per hour, but don't plan on counting
>>>>> > on more than a couple nights a week being booked - at least not
>>>>> > at first until you get pretty well-established.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Here's the thing though... what might now be a "passion" will
>>>>> > ultimately become "work" as well - as soon as you have to start
>>>>> > depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
>>>>> > in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
>>>>> > THAT, my friend, is WORK!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Neil
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Ok,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
>>>>> >>I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
>>>>> >>How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could bring
>> in
>>>>> >>=
>>>>> >>monthly?
>>>>> >>I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least
>>>>> >>five
>>
>>>>> >>=
>>>>> >>days a week
>>>>> >>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month minus
>> =
>>>>> >>expenses and taxes.
>>>>> >>So probably $3000 net.
>>>>> >>Do you all agree?
>>>>> >>I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of
>> work
>>>>> > =
>>>>> >>for not much gain.
>>>>> >>Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours
>> a =
>>>>> >>month.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something other
>>
>>>>> >>than
>>>>> > =
>>>>> >>my passion to=20
>>>>> >>be my first business.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing
=
>>>>> >>business out of my garage.
>>>>> >>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it
>> for
>>>>> >>=
>>>>> >>15 years.
>>>>> >>It is not my passion. It is work.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Anyway..
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>--=20
>>>>> >>Thanks,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Brandon
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>> >><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>> >><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>> >>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>> >><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>> >><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>> >></HEAD>
>>>>> >><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of
>>>>> >>business
>>
>>>>> >>=
>>>>> >>to=20
>>>>> >>open.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the
>> =
>>>>> >>public as an=20
>>>>> >>option.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small
>>>>> >>project
>>>>> > =
>>>>> >>studio=20
>>>>> >>could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it
>>>>> >>would
>>
>>>>> >>=
>>>>> >>be booked=20
>>>>> >>at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr
>>>>> >>that
>>
>>>>> >>=
>>>>> >>is=20
>>>>> >>$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this, but
>> it
>>>>> >>=
>>>>> >>seems like=20
>>>>> >>a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my
>> =
>>>>> >>studio booked=20
>>>>> >>160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate
>> =
>>>>> >>choosing=20
>>>>> >>something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
>>>>> >>electronics=20
>>>>> >>manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit,
but
>> I
>>>>> > =
>>>>> >>have been=20
>>>>> >>doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is
>>>>> >>work.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Ballpark numbers [message #76556 is a reply to message #76552] |
Fri, 01 December 2006 05:34 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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Being downtown in the middle of it all isn't hurting this place either.
I think I will do both maybe studio just on weekend buyouts or something.
It would be very difficult to schedule two completely different businesses
like
these together during a work week.
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote in message news:456fbaa9$1@linux...
>
> Allimsayin' is something like this: If Flashpoint stays very
> busy at $50 an hour, and Lone Wolf stays jam-fucking-packed at
> $30 an hour, then there's probably room for someone else to get
> SOME business at also $50 an hour. Start out part-time, produce
> the best product he can & provide a nice creative vibe, and see
> what happens.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
> >Neil,
> >
> >I'm not trying to discourage anyone, but he's up against some stiff
> >competition. In order to charge $50.00 per hour, he's going to need to be
>
> >able to offer something along these lines:
> >
> >http://www.flashpointrecording.com/
> >
> >I know the owner of this studio and it's been there forever.very well
> >established and stays busy. I think $50.00 is the going rate there, but
> it's
> >been a while since I talked to them.
> >
> >Austin is a tough town but if Brandon can hang in there and deliver a
> >superior product and the buzz gets around, well, who knows.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456fa5fc$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Then fuck it, Brandon... $30 an hour isn't worth your time -
> >> charge $50 and put "Lone Woof" out of business... give better
> >> service, a better vibe, more satisfied customers, and start
> >> doing it part-time in your spare time so you don't have to
> >> worry about putting food on the table with that as your sole
> >> income... word will get around; that is if you're up to the
> >> challenge and CAN do a better job then the uninspired Newmanner-
> >> equipped guys at "that other place".
> >>
> >> Seriously. Set a new standard.
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
> >>>Brandon,
> >>>
> >>>You're in a really tough market there. I've got a good friend in Austin
> >> who
> >>>been engineering/producing records there for 25 years. He's got an
> >>>extremely
> >>
> >>>loyal client base, charges $70.00 and is booked almost constantly, but
>
> >>>it's
> >>
> >>>a rare situation.
> >>>
> >>>Deej
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:456f4bac$1@linux...
> >>>>I understand about it becoming work and killing the passion.
> >>>> I can see myself not wanting to record my own stuff because I have
been
> >>>> couped up in there so long.
> >>>> I think $30 is all could charge in Austin.
> >>>> There is a well known studio..LoneWolf which is part of ZZTops
outfit.
> >>>> They charge $30/hr.
> >>>> The place is a dump with no inspiration, but they have tons of
expensive
> >>>> outboard gear and they are running
> >>>> the best DAW ever!!! Pro Tools!!
> >>>> Plus they have those expensive Newmanner microphones..you know.
> >>>> I can't see musicians around here taking my studio over the name
> >>>> associated
> >>>> with that place.
> >>>> Even if the service and end product is comparable.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Brandon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:456f49bf@linux...
> >>>>> >.........as soon as you have to start
> >>>>> depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
> >>>>> in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
> >>>>> THAT, my friend, is WORK!<
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's why drugs were invented Neil.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ;o)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:456f3fc5$1@linux...
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Is $30 an hour what you'd have to charge to be competitive in
> >>>>> > your area? What if you charged $60 - could you get away with
> >>>>> > that?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > M-F wake-up till 6 or 7pm, you'll get little to no "music"
> >>>>> > business because most of the musicians you'll be dealing with
> >>>>> > have regular jobs anyway, so maybe you could do some electronics
> >>>>> > work during those hours or try to get some commercial audio biz
> >>>>> > therein (if there's any decent amount of that being done in your
> >>>>> > area).
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > After normal "work hours" & weekends are when you'd get the bulk
> >>>>> > of your music recording work:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Sat & Sun, sell it as a day-long "lockout" for $500 for ten
> >>>>> > hours, $60 an hour additional after that per day. That's a grand
> >>>>> > per week for the weekends, then sell your weeknights as straight
> >>>>> > hourly time at $50 or $60 per hour, but don't plan on counting
> >>>>> > on more than a couple nights a week being booked - at least not
> >>>>> > at first until you get pretty well-established.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Here's the thing though... what might now be a "passion" will
> >>>>> > ultimately become "work" as well - as soon as you have to start
> >>>>> > depending on it for a living, and you're forced to polish turds
> >>>>> > in genres you may despise in order to put food on the table...
> >>>>> > THAT, my friend, is WORK!
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Neil
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>Ok,
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>So I am trying to decide what type of business to open.
> >>>>> >>I was considering opening my studio to the public as an option.
> >>>>> >>How much would you guys estimate a small project studio could
bring
> >> in
> >>>>> >>=
> >>>>> >>monthly?
> >>>>> >>I figured best scenario would be that it would be booked at least
>
> >>>>> >>five
> >>
> >>>>> >>=
> >>>>> >>days a week
> >>>>> >>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr that is $4800/month
minus
> >> =
> >>>>> >>expenses and taxes.
> >>>>> >>So probably $3000 net.
> >>>>> >>Do you all agree?
> >>>>> >>I love music and would love to do this, but it seems like a lot of
> >> work
> >>>>> > =
> >>>>> >>for not much gain.
> >>>>> >>Also, I don't have confidence in having my studio booked 160 hours
> >> a =
> >>>>> >>month.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate choosing something
other
> >>
> >>>>> >>than
> >>>>> > =
> >>>>> >>my passion to=20
> >>>>> >>be my first business.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>My other possible option is to open an electronics manufacturing
> =
> >>>>> >>business out of my garage.
> >>>>> >>There is a lot more potential for profit, but I have been doing it
> >> for
> >>>>> >>=
> >>>>> >>15 years.
> >>>>> >>It is not my passion. It is work.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>Anyway..
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>--=20
> >>>>> >>Thanks,
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>Brandon
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >>>>> >><HTML><HEAD>
> >>>>> >><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >>>>> >>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >>>>> >><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR>
> >>>>> >><STYLE></STYLE>
> >>>>> >></HEAD>
> >>>>> >><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok,</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So I am trying to decide what type of
> >>>>> >>business
> >>
> >>>>> >>=
> >>>>> >>to=20
> >>>>> >>open.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I was considering opening my studio to the
> >> =
> >>>>> >>public as an=20
> >>>>> >>option.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How much would you guys estimate a small
> >>>>> >>project
> >>>>> > =
> >>>>> >>studio=20
> >>>>> >>could bring in monthly?</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I figured best scenario would be that it
>
> >>>>> >>would
> >>
> >>>>> >>=
> >>>>> >>be booked=20
> >>>>> >>at least five days a week</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>in 8 hour blocks.(160hrs/month) At $30/hr
>
> >>>>> >>that
> >>
> >>>>> >>=
> >>>>> >>is=20
> >>>>> >>$4800/month minus expenses and taxes.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So probably $3000 net.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you all agree?</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I love music and would love to do this,
but
> >> it
> >>>>> >>=
> >>>>> >>seems like=20
> >>>>> >>a lot of work for not much gain.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also, I don't have confidence in having my
> >> =
> >>>>> >>studio booked=20
> >>>>> >>160 hours a month.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I know the answer, but I just hate
> >> =
> >>>>> >>choosing=20
> >>>>> >>something other than my passion to </FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be my first business.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My other possible option is to open an =
> >>>>> >>electronics=20
> >>>>> >>manufacturing business out of my garage.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There is a lot more potential for profit,
> but
> >> I
> >>>>> > =
> >>>>> >>have been=20
> >>>>> >>doing it for 15 years.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It is not my passion. It is
> >>>>> >>work.</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway..</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial>-- <BR>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> >>>>> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Brandon</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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