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| SNR [message #95592] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 14:26  |
chuck duffy
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I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this forum.
Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of waste?
Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
* In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the bulbs
with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
* Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
* Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the 5
gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons of
water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
* Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
and cost per year of operation.
* Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
* Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane windows.
* Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of these
things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
Chuck
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| Re: SNR [message #95598 is a reply to message #95596] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 15:13  |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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Don,
Nothing bothers me, I was actually interested in what other folks are doing.
Chuck
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Go read my "Proposed royalty rate changes" thread...there's a real cause
and
>effect issue to this group...so far total responses three
>
>Only thing we have to do at our house is replace the windows...that's
>sheduled this year.
>
>Sorry if the chatter bothers you...but if you don't like it, don't read
>it...seemed to work with my Royalties thread
>
>;-)
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:47a8d495$1@linux...
>>
>> I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this forum.
>> Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of
>> waste?
>> Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
>> some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
>> waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
>>
>> * In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the
>> bulbs
>> with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
>>
>> * Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
>>
>> * Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
>> with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the
5
>> gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons
of
>> water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
>>
>> * Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
>> and cost per year of operation.
>>
>> * Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
>>
>> * Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane windows.
>>
>> * Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
>>
>> Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of these
>> things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
>>
>> Chuck
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| Re: SNR [message #95601 is a reply to message #95598] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 14:07 |
Carl Amburn
Messages: 214
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I've replaced all my lightbulbs, and installed motion lights as well as
light-sensored l.e.d. nightlights (0.3 watt!). My old '77 van is a
gas-guzzler, but I work mostly at home and I make a point to ride my
motorcycles as much as possible. Regardless of the global warming issues - I
do save money, and I *really* appreciate that the lightbulbs don't generate
very much heat, especially in the summer.
rock on,
-Carl
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:47a8df82$1@linux...
>
> Don,
>
> Nothing bothers me, I was actually interested in what other folks are
> doing.
>
> Chuck
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Go read my "Proposed royalty rate changes" thread...there's a real cause
> and
>>effect issue to this group...so far total responses three
>>
>>Only thing we have to do at our house is replace the windows...that's
>>sheduled this year.
>>
>>Sorry if the chatter bothers you...but if you don't like it, don't read
>
>>it...seemed to work with my Royalties thread
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:47a8d495$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this
>>> forum.
>>> Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of
>>> waste?
>>> Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
>>> some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
>>> waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
>>>
>>> * In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the
>
>>> bulbs
>>> with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
>>>
>>> * Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
>>>
>>> * Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
>>> with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the
> 5
>>> gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons
> of
>>> water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
>>>
>>> * Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
>>> and cost per year of operation.
>>>
>>> * Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
>>>
>>> * Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane
>>> windows.
>>>
>>> * Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of
>>> these
>>> things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: SNR [message #95603 is a reply to message #95596] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 15:24 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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OK Don,
I read the post when you first made it. I followed the link. I read every
word in the thread. I was intrigued by the ideas. Are you the author of the
thread? If so kudos, cause it was some truly well thought out 'deep' thinking.
Chuck
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Go read my "Proposed royalty rate changes" thread...there's a real cause
and
>effect issue to this group...so far total responses three
>
>Only thing we have to do at our house is replace the windows...that's
>sheduled this year.
>
>Sorry if the chatter bothers you...but if you don't like it, don't read
>it...seemed to work with my Royalties thread
>
>;-)
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:47a8d495$1@linux...
>>
>> I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this forum.
>> Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of
>> waste?
>> Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
>> some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
>> waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
>>
>> * In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the
>> bulbs
>> with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
>>
>> * Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
>>
>> * Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
>> with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the
5
>> gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons
of
>> water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
>>
>> * Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
>> and cost per year of operation.
>>
>> * Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
>>
>> * Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane windows.
>>
>> * Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
>>
>> Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of these
>> things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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| Re: SNR [message #95605 is a reply to message #95592] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 14:19 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Good topic, Chuck. For me:
-Work at home.
-Drive less, walk more.
-Walk to stores, post office, parks.
-Efficient car (40-50mpg).
-CF bulbs.
-Energy star appliances.
-Recycle.
-Wind power electric subscriber.
-Relatively efficient house.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
chuck duffy wrote:
> I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this forum.
> Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of waste?
> Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
> some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
> waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
>
> * In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the bulbs
> with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
>
> * Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
>
> * Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
> with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the 5
> gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons of
> water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
>
> * Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
> and cost per year of operation.
>
> * Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
>
> * Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane windows.
>
> * Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
>
> Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of these
> things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
>
> Chuck
>
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| Re: SNR [message #95606 is a reply to message #95603] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 14:22 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
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nope, not that smart Chuck
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:47a8e226$1@linux...
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> OK Don,
>
> I read the post when you first made it. I followed the link. I read every
> word in the thread. I was intrigued by the ideas. Are you the author of
> the
> thread? If so kudos, cause it was some truly well thought out 'deep'
> thinking.
>
>
> Chuck
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Go read my "Proposed royalty rate changes" thread...there's a real cause
> and
>>effect issue to this group...so far total responses three
>>
>>Only thing we have to do at our house is replace the windows...that's
>>sheduled this year.
>>
>>Sorry if the chatter bothers you...but if you don't like it, don't read
>
>>it...seemed to work with my Royalties thread
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:47a8d495$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this
>>> forum.
>>> Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of
>>> waste?
>>> Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
>>> some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
>>> waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
>>>
>>> * In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the
>
>>> bulbs
>>> with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
>>>
>>> * Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
>>>
>>> * Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
>>> with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the
> 5
>>> gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons
> of
>>> water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
>>>
>>> * Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
>>> and cost per year of operation.
>>>
>>> * Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
>>>
>>> * Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane
>>> windows.
>>>
>>> * Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of
>>> these
>>> things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: SNR [message #95632 is a reply to message #95592] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 21:37 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Nice idea Chuck. If we're moving into politics mode we might as well try
and make a positive difference rather than focus on our own differences of
opinion.
* Things I'm Doing *
(*) House now on full green power (wind I think - or solar)
(*) Most of my most used light bulbs are now low energy fluros
(*) Taking a bus or riding to work instead of driving
(*) Generally put serious thought in before using the car
(*) Car and home gas emissions compensated through tree planting
(*) Started a compost bin to reduce landfill and retain fertilizer.
(*) The main form of house heating is firewood, which is the lowest C02 emitter
so long as it is regrown.
(*) Car converted to LPG which is 40% lower on CO2 emissions.
In theory with the house on green power and my other emissions compensated
my actual CO2 emissions should be very low, though I do believe we need people
who are able to be doing "better than zero" emissions and indeed I'm yet
to compensate for my emissions up to age 34 or so, so I've got much work
to do. ;o)
* Things I plan on doing *
(*) Buying an electric assisted push bike. Close to no emissions and very
convenient (the one I want folds up!)
* Things I would like to do but am struggling with *
(*) The house insulation thing is troublesome as I live in a rented place.
(*) As above it's hard to install local solar power in a rented house.
(*) I'd like to further reduce my landfill which tends to be higher than
ideal due in part to the single person's "buy take away" thing plus not paying
enough attention to landfill when making purchases
(*) Generally buy less stuff and/or sell stuff I'm not using so that the
effort and resources invested in the items in my house are not just sitting
idle.
It can be both a struggle and rewarding to take action on things like this.
When I look at the above I know I'm doing better than many, but worse than
I need to. It can be tough to manage your own habits as well, and I often
find of a night that I'll have too many lights on simply because of bad habits.
I'm increasingly trying to use a fairly low light setup based around the
low wattage bulbs but still regularly find I've left lights on unnecessarily.
I have worked hard on actually turning around the way I look at driving though.
I own a 29yo car, which doesn't sound very enviro of me, but what it does
is that it ensures I consider driving to be a privilege rather than an expectation.
I love my car, and love to drive, but I only drive when I have a reason.
Sometimes I have things to transport, or a time limit, or whatever, and on
occasion I'll just "splash out" and drive for fun, but the thing is that
I do think of it that way. I rarely if ever get in the car without acknowledging
what I'm doing in terms of both pollution and resource use. The car is big,
loud, and heavy. It's hard to forget that exhaust is coming out when the
exhaust is so loud, but I think that's good. It's on LPG (40% less CO2),
has had electronic ignition added (probably another 5-10% reduction) and
the engine is quite new. It probably only pollutes the same as a newly purchased
large car, but being so big and old it reminds me that cars aren't real good
for our planet.
And it's also worth noting that the process of building a new car creates
about 1-2 years of normal driving pollution. By maintaining an old car rather
than buying new, and then driving only rarely, it will likely be 5 to 10
years before my car emissions are equal to simply building a new car. So
if you're careful about it and minimize driving an old car can be a wise
environmental choice.
This is the electric bike I want. Worth checking out I think:
http://www.greenspeed.us/bionx_montague_swiss_bike.htm
Cheers,
Kim.
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this forum.
>Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of waste?
> Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
>some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
>waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
>
>* In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the bulbs
>with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
>
>* Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
>
>* Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
>with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the 5
>gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons of
>water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
>
>* Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
>and cost per year of operation.
>
>* Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
>
>* Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane windows.
>
>* Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
>
>Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of these
>things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
>
>Chuck
>
>
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| Re: SNR [message #95644 is a reply to message #95632] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 23:29 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Me:
1.) Live close to work... still drive, but very short commute.
2.) I use bright white halogen lights in the living & kitchen
areas of the house - sorry, can't stand those farkin'
flourescents (not to mention, I don't want the mercury
outgassing), but with the pure white light from the halogens, I
need less overall wattage.
3.) I have refrigeraged air, not evaporative cooling (which is
popular here due to the dry climate); while refrigerated a/c
uses more electricity, it uses ZERO water, which is a big
concern here, as we're in the desert (environmental impact
varies from region to region, dunnit?).
4.) I have no grass in my yard... it's all Xeriscaped, using
almost 100% native plants that require very little water.
5.) Double-pane, argon-filled windows in most of the house;
solar glass on the windows that aren't in the above category.
6.) Cellular blinds on the big south-facing bay window
(cellulars help keep the heat or cold in or out, as appropriate
for the season); cellulars about to be ordered for the solar-
glass 18-foot "window wall" in the studio.
7.) Energy-Star certified washer, dryer, fridge, and hot water
heater.
8.) Passive Solar roof panels for heating the pool, as opposed
to a gas heater.
And, most importantly...
10.) Try not take take three massive SUV's full of people
everywhere I go, and especially when I go to the airport to get
on board my private/chartered jet, which belches out more
carbon-based exhaust each trip than any 50 American households
combine to emit in a year, while on the way to a speech in a
hall that requires 20 or 30 households' worth of annualized
heating or air-conditioning - depending on the season - for
each one of my appearances, along with about 45,000 watts of
combined lighting & PA power for the duration of my speech; and
then go back to my ginormous, energy-inneficient home that's so
old & leaky it has an "R" factor of like "0.2"... oh wait,
that's not me - that's Al Gore, evironmental hero.
:D
Neil
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Nice idea Chuck. If we're moving into politics mode we might as well try
>and make a positive difference rather than focus on our own differences
of
>opinion.
>
>* Things I'm Doing *
>
>(*) House now on full green power (wind I think - or solar)
>(*) Most of my most used light bulbs are now low energy fluros
>(*) Taking a bus or riding to work instead of driving
>(*) Generally put serious thought in before using the car
>(*) Car and home gas emissions compensated through tree planting
>(*) Started a compost bin to reduce landfill and retain fertilizer.
>(*) The main form of house heating is firewood, which is the lowest C02
emitter
>so long as it is regrown.
>(*) Car converted to LPG which is 40% lower on CO2 emissions.
>
>In theory with the house on green power and my other emissions compensated
>my actual CO2 emissions should be very low, though I do believe we need
people
>who are able to be doing "better than zero" emissions and indeed I'm yet
>to compensate for my emissions up to age 34 or so, so I've got much work
>to do. ;o)
>
>* Things I plan on doing *
>
>(*) Buying an electric assisted push bike. Close to no emissions and very
>convenient (the one I want folds up!)
>
>* Things I would like to do but am struggling with *
>
>(*) The house insulation thing is troublesome as I live in a rented place.
>(*) As above it's hard to install local solar power in a rented house.
>(*) I'd like to further reduce my landfill which tends to be higher than
>ideal due in part to the single person's "buy take away" thing plus not
paying
>enough attention to landfill when making purchases
>(*) Generally buy less stuff and/or sell stuff I'm not using so that the
>effort and resources invested in the items in my house are not just sitting
>idle.
>
>It can be both a struggle and rewarding to take action on things like this.
>When I look at the above I know I'm doing better than many, but worse than
>I need to. It can be tough to manage your own habits as well, and I often
>find of a night that I'll have too many lights on simply because of bad
habits.
>I'm increasingly trying to use a fairly low light setup based around the
>low wattage bulbs but still regularly find I've left lights on unnecessarily.
>
>I have worked hard on actually turning around the way I look at driving
though.
>I own a 29yo car, which doesn't sound very enviro of me, but what it does
>is that it ensures I consider driving to be a privilege rather than an expectation.
>I love my car, and love to drive, but I only drive when I have a reason.
>Sometimes I have things to transport, or a time limit, or whatever, and
on
>occasion I'll just "splash out" and drive for fun, but the thing is that
>I do think of it that way. I rarely if ever get in the car without acknowledging
>what I'm doing in terms of both pollution and resource use. The car is big,
>loud, and heavy. It's hard to forget that exhaust is coming out when the
>exhaust is so loud, but I think that's good. It's on LPG (40% less CO2),
>has had electronic ignition added (probably another 5-10% reduction) and
>the engine is quite new. It probably only pollutes the same as a newly purchased
>large car, but being so big and old it reminds me that cars aren't real
good
>for our planet.
>
>And it's also worth noting that the process of building a new car creates
>about 1-2 years of normal driving pollution. By maintaining an old car rather
>than buying new, and then driving only rarely, it will likely be 5 to 10
>years before my car emissions are equal to simply building a new car. So
>if you're careful about it and minimize driving an old car can be a wise
>environmental choice.
>
>This is the electric bike I want. Worth checking out I think:
>
>http://www.greenspeed.us/bionx_montague_swiss_bike.htm
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this forum.
>>Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of waste?
>> Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
>>some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
>>waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
>>
>>* In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the
bulbs
>>with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
>>
>>* Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
>>
>>* Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
>>with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the
5
>>gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons
of
>>water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
>>
>>* Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
>>and cost per year of operation.
>>
>>* Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
>>
>>* Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane windows.
>>
>>* Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
>>
>>Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of these
>>things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: SNR [message #95648 is a reply to message #95644] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 00:02 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Good for you, Neil. I think even your arch nemesis Al Gore would approve
of most of that.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Neil wrote:
> Me:
> 1.) Live close to work... still drive, but very short commute.
> 2.) I use bright white halogen lights in the living & kitchen
> areas of the house - sorry, can't stand those farkin'
> flourescents (not to mention, I don't want the mercury
> outgassing), but with the pure white light from the halogens, I
> need less overall wattage.
> 3.) I have refrigeraged air, not evaporative cooling (which is
> popular here due to the dry climate); while refrigerated a/c
> uses more electricity, it uses ZERO water, which is a big
> concern here, as we're in the desert (environmental impact
> varies from region to region, dunnit?).
> 4.) I have no grass in my yard... it's all Xeriscaped, using
> almost 100% native plants that require very little water.
> 5.) Double-pane, argon-filled windows in most of the house;
> solar glass on the windows that aren't in the above category.
> 6.) Cellular blinds on the big south-facing bay window
> (cellulars help keep the heat or cold in or out, as appropriate
> for the season); cellulars about to be ordered for the solar-
> glass 18-foot "window wall" in the studio.
> 7.) Energy-Star certified washer, dryer, fridge, and hot water
> heater.
> 8.) Passive Solar roof panels for heating the pool, as opposed
> to a gas heater.
>
> And, most importantly...
>
> 10.) Try not take take three massive SUV's full of people
> everywhere I go, and especially when I go to the airport to get
> on board my private/chartered jet, which belches out more
> carbon-based exhaust each trip than any 50 American households
> combine to emit in a year, while on the way to a speech in a
> hall that requires 20 or 30 households' worth of annualized
> heating or air-conditioning - depending on the season - for
> each one of my appearances, along with about 45,000 watts of
> combined lighting & PA power for the duration of my speech; and
> then go back to my ginormous, energy-inneficient home that's so
> old & leaky it has an "R" factor of like "0.2"... oh wait,
> that's not me - that's Al Gore, evironmental hero.
>
> :D
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nice idea Chuck. If we're moving into politics mode we might as well try
>> and make a positive difference rather than focus on our own differences
> of
>> opinion.
>>
>> * Things I'm Doing *
>>
>> (*) House now on full green power (wind I think - or solar)
>> (*) Most of my most used light bulbs are now low energy fluros
>> (*) Taking a bus or riding to work instead of driving
>> (*) Generally put serious thought in before using the car
>> (*) Car and home gas emissions compensated through tree planting
>> (*) Started a compost bin to reduce landfill and retain fertilizer.
>> (*) The main form of house heating is firewood, which is the lowest C02
> emitter
>> so long as it is regrown.
>> (*) Car converted to LPG which is 40% lower on CO2 emissions.
>>
>> In theory with the house on green power and my other emissions compensated
>> my actual CO2 emissions should be very low, though I do believe we need
> people
>> who are able to be doing "better than zero" emissions and indeed I'm yet
>> to compensate for my emissions up to age 34 or so, so I've got much work
>> to do. ;o)
>>
>> * Things I plan on doing *
>>
>> (*) Buying an electric assisted push bike. Close to no emissions and very
>> convenient (the one I want folds up!)
>>
>> * Things I would like to do but am struggling with *
>>
>> (*) The house insulation thing is troublesome as I live in a rented place.
>> (*) As above it's hard to install local solar power in a rented house.
>> (*) I'd like to further reduce my landfill which tends to be higher than
>> ideal due in part to the single person's "buy take away" thing plus not
> paying
>> enough attention to landfill when making purchases
>> (*) Generally buy less stuff and/or sell stuff I'm not using so that the
>> effort and resources invested in the items in my house are not just sitting
>> idle.
>>
>> It can be both a struggle and rewarding to take action on things like this.
>> When I look at the above I know I'm doing better than many, but worse than
>> I need to. It can be tough to manage your own habits as well, and I often
>> find of a night that I'll have too many lights on simply because of bad
> habits.
>> I'm increasingly trying to use a fairly low light setup based around the
>> low wattage bulbs but still regularly find I've left lights on unnecessarily.
>>
>> I have worked hard on actually turning around the way I look at driving
> though.
>> I own a 29yo car, which doesn't sound very enviro of me, but what it does
>> is that it ensures I consider driving to be a privilege rather than an expectation.
>> I love my car, and love to drive, but I only drive when I have a reason.
>> Sometimes I have things to transport, or a time limit, or whatever, and
> on
>> occasion I'll just "splash out" and drive for fun, but the thing is that
>> I do think of it that way. I rarely if ever get in the car without acknowledging
>> what I'm doing in terms of both pollution and resource use. The car is big,
>> loud, and heavy. It's hard to forget that exhaust is coming out when the
>> exhaust is so loud, but I think that's good. It's on LPG (40% less CO2),
>> has had electronic ignition added (probably another 5-10% reduction) and
>> the engine is quite new. It probably only pollutes the same as a newly purchased
>> large car, but being so big and old it reminds me that cars aren't real
> good
>> for our planet.
>>
>> And it's also worth noting that the process of building a new car creates
>> about 1-2 years of normal driving pollution. By maintaining an old car rather
>> than buying new, and then driving only rarely, it will likely be 5 to 10
>> years before my car emissions are equal to simply building a new car. So
>> if you're careful about it and minimize driving an old car can be a wise
>> environmental choice.
>>
>> This is the electric bike I want. Worth checking out I think:
>>
>> http://www.greenspeed.us/bionx_montague_swiss_bike.htm
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>>
>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>> I doubt that we are going to solve the global warming issue in this forum.
>>> Does that mean we as humans should all blindly continue a pattern of waste?
>>> Let's talk about what hits you in the pocketbook. Let's talk about what
>>> some of you creative, intelligent people are doing to save money and cut
>>> waste. Seemingly stupid shit. For example in our house:
>>>
>>> * In infrequently used/'non reading' areas of our home we replaced the
> bulbs
>>> with CF bulbs. We also installed auto off motion based switches.
>>>
>>> * Stopped buying coffee on the way to work. Take a travel mug.
>>>
>>> * Stopped buying bottled water on the way to work. Added a second faucet
>>> with an in-line filtration system. Added a water cooler. Refilling the
> 5
>>> gallon cooler bottle from the filtered tap once a week. 10,000 gallons
> of
>>> water costs approximately $70 in these parts. You do the math.
>>>
>>> * Purchased appliances, actually looked at the energy efficiency ratings
>>> and cost per year of operation.
>>>
>>> * Keep car tune up schedule, watch tire pressure, regular oil changes.
>>>
>>> * Replaced 100 year old windows with energy efficient triple pane windows.
>>>
>>> * Check and repair toilet mechs on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> Stupid shit, but I'm pretty detail oriented and every single one of these
>>> things is saving me money, including the initial outlay.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: SNR [message #95674 is a reply to message #95671] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 11:21 |
neil[1]
Messages: 164
Registered: October 2006
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Yes, and since concrete gives off heat as it cures/hardens....
well, just more global warming.
Neil
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>You forgot to factor in the energy cost of the concrete...
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> But over a longer timespan . . .
>>
>> Also, if one killed oneself by throwing oneself into the ocean with concrete
>> tied to oneself, then either one would be eaten (net zero carbon) or one
>> would sink (net negative). But that's a bit too much to fit on a t-shirt.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Neil" <OIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> And then there's the T-Shirt I've always wanted to have made
>>>>
>>>> Reduce your Carbon Footprint
>>>> KILL YOURSELF!
>>>
>>> Actually that would increase your carbon footprint, since, as
>>> carbon-based lifeforms, we start decaying as soon as we die,
>>> thereby gradually sloughing off all our carbon back into the
>>> environment. And don't even get me started on if your family
>>> decides to have you cremated!
>>>
>>> lol
>>
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| Re: SNR [message #95734 is a reply to message #95704] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 16:22 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Late for work While she was "flying" down the road yesterday (20 miles over
the limit), a woman passed over a bridge only to find a cop with a radar gun
on the other side lying in wait. The cop pulled her over, walked up to the
car, and with that classic patronizing smirk we all know and love(?), asked,
"What's your hurry?" To which she replied, "I'm late for work." "Oh yeah,"
said the cop, what is it you do? "I'm a rectum stretcher," she responded.
The cop stammered, "A what? A rectum stretcher? And just what does a rectum
stretcher do?" "Well," she said, "I start by inserting one finger, then I
work my way up to two fingers, then three, then four, then with my whole
hand in. I work from side to side until I can get both hands in, and then I
slowly but surely stretch, until it's about 6 feet wide." "And just what is
it that you do with a 6 foot asshole?" he asked. "You give him a radar gun
and park him behind a bridge..."
Traffic Ticket: $105.00
Court Costs: $45.00
Look on Cop's Face: PRICELESS
"erlilo" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
news:d4jlq3d1jjd6gqm04243tgnp6pqpim6inv@4ax.com...
> Hmmm......hey you two, we need some assholes too, someone to blame for
> something we should have done and couldn't, because of some other
> assholes...hmmmmm;-)
>
> erlilo
>
> On 7 Feb 2008 00:01:44 +1000, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi John,
>>
>>Sorry for the comment, it was unnecessary and rude. Moody is the right
>>word,
>>maybe even asshole at times :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Is there a third choice? hmmm, Chucky getting moody. Maybe from eating
>>>ketchup from foil packets.
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