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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95130 is a reply to message #95126] |
Sun, 27 January 2008 09:42   |
Neil
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Thanks Mike - if you mean the lead guitar tones in the solos,
that's pretty basic... '75 Les Paul Deluxe, through an Aphex
Punch Factory compressor into a Sovtek 50-watt tube head, into
a 2x12 Celestion cab - mic'ed with a B.L.U.E. Ball mic, into a
Grace 101 mic pre. There's no EQ or any additional processing
on it, except for a bit of delay. All the other guitar parts
(to include the lead lines in the outro bit) are from one of my
FrankenStrats (Shedua body maple/ebony neck, p'ups are from
a '63 Fender Strat), tracked through the same setup.
The rhythm guitar tracks have some compression on them, but the
rest of those do not; and again, no EQ on any of those tracks,
either.
The lead synth tones are the MG-1 patch on my Fantom...
I modded that patch slightly, but I can't remember what the
changes were, offhand; in any case, it's not much... it's
pretty close to the stock patch. Again, no EQ or anything on
that one... the only thing i did to it, was send it to a 'verb
for part of the second synth lead bit, then killed the verb for
the last measure of it. The first synth solo bit that comes in
at 3:08 on that clip is dry also.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Neil
"Mike R" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Now that's some freakin' drumming! Monsterous fills.
>Great tracks Rod. And yo, Neil, cool song. Also loved alot of the lead
>tones -both guitar and synth.
>MR
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>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
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>>Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>midpoint solo sections onward.
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>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95154 is a reply to message #95117] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 08:06 |
Bill L
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Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents worth
of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful with
my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit too
so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch from
the kick drum and pop from the snare.
Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
Neil wrote:
> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>
> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
> midpoint solo sections onward.
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95155 is a reply to message #95154] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 11:29 |
neil[1]
Messages: 164
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Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
interpretation! lol
Neil
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>
>Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents worth
>of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful with
>my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit too
>so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch from
>the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>
>Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>
>Neil wrote:
>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>
>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95156 is a reply to message #95155] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 11:39 |
chuck duffy
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Hi Neil,
FWIW, I am hearing pretty much what bill is hearing
Chuck
Chuck
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>interpretation! lol
>
>Neil
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>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>
>>Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents worth
>
>>of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful with
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>>my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
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>>pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>>everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>>the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit too
>>so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>>mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch from
>
>>the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>
>>Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>
>>Neil wrote:
>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>
>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>
>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95157 is a reply to message #95155] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 10:40 |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
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Hi Neil,
That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the mix on Adams
A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd like more
power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced but the
drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments punch
out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in the drums
and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe. Nice
tones.
Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought I was
listening to Neil Pert.
wayne
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
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> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
> interpretation! lol
>
> Neil
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> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents worth
>>of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful with
>>my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>>everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>>the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit too
>>so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>>mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch from
>>the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>
>>Neil wrote:
>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>
>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>
>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95166 is a reply to message #95156] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 17:33 |
Aaron Allen
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Ditto that. For reference you might pull up some Dream Theater, usually
their stuff is pretty thick and ballsy.
AA
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:479e2162$1@linux...
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> Hi Neil,
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> FWIW, I am hearing pretty much what bill is hearing
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> Chuck
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> Chuck
> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>interpretation! lol
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>
>>>Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents worth
>>
>>>of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful with
>>
>>>my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>
>>>pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>>>everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>>>the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit too
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>>>so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>
>>>mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch from
>>
>>>the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>
>>>Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>>Neil wrote:
>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>
>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>
>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95167 is a reply to message #95157] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 19:09 |
Neil
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OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
if anything, is going on.
But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
you're hearing). So, here we go:
1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
the vocals.
2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
pretty quick.
5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
might be personal preference & the like???
Thoughts?
Neil
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Hi Neil,
>
>That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the mix on Adams
>A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd like
more
>power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced but the
>drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments punch
>out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in the drums
>and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe. Nice
>tones.
>Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought I was
>listening to Neil Pert.
>
>wayne
>
>
>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
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>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>> interpretation! lol
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents worth
>>>of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful with
>>>my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>>pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>>>everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>>>the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit too
>>>so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>>>mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch from
>>>the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>>Neil wrote:
>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>
>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>
>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95170 is a reply to message #95166] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 20:58 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Ditto that. For reference you might pull up some Dream Theater, usually
>their stuff is pretty thick and ballsy.
OK, I just dragged "Pull Me Under" into a new project
with "Istanbul" running parellel to it, and the first thing I
noticed is that Istanbul has a SHITLOAD more information from
like 12k and above than the D.T. track does... that could be
part of the issue if you're comparing one to the other. I mean
it really is a shitload... 15-20 db or more difference
depending on the section of each song.
Spectrum analyzer also shows a deficit on the 100-150 range on
my track compared to "Pull Me Under", but not a huge amount...
could be enough to make a difference, though, if that's what you
guys are all feeling (or NOT feeling, as might be the case).
They also have a somewhat smiley curve going from 100k to 10k,
and i don't... on Istanbul it's almost a straight-line slightly
downard, minus few peaks & valleys here & there.
Neil
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95175 is a reply to message #95167] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 22:46 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
on these two...
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
Neil
"Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
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>OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
>start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
>if anything, is going on.
>
>But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
>being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
>you're hearing). So, here we go:
>
>1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
>is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
>the vocals.
>
>2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
>interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
>consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
>I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
>Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
>track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
>at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
>them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
>up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
>
>3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
>less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>
>4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>pretty quick.
>
>5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
>guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
>getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
>
>So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
>going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
>might be personal preference & the like???
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>Hi Neil,
>>
>>That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the mix on
Adams
>
>>A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd like
>more
>>power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced but
the
>
>>drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments punch
>
>>out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in the drums
>
>>and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe. Nice
>
>>tones.
>>Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought I
was
>
>>listening to Neil Pert.
>>
>>wayne
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>> interpretation! lol
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>>Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents worth
>>>>of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful with
>>>>my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>>>pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>>>>everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>>>>the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>>guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit too
>>>>so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>>>>mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch from
>>>>the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>>Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>>
>>>>Neil wrote:
>>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95194 is a reply to message #95117] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 05:46 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007
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Neil,
I like your EQ, actually, a lot. Don't like that smily stuff. But I,
too, want to hear more of the bass and Hot's drums, which is just a matter
of taste, mix-wise, I suppose.
Nice song, dude. And you play guitar reel guud. :)
S
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479bfd98$1@linux...
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> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>
> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
> midpoint solo sections onward.
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95197 is a reply to message #95194] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 08:25 |
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Hi Neil,
Cool tune, great sounds, great playing too! I also felt like I wanted to
hear more bass but my RTA kept telling me that the low end was well represented.
A good lesson in not mixing w/ your eyes! Maybe a slightly different EQ
on the bass would give it a little more equal footing w/ the kick drum.
Your guitar playing was smokin' and Rod's drums rocked!
Gantt
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Neil,
>
> I like your EQ, actually, a lot. Don't like that smily stuff. But
I,
>too, want to hear more of the bass and Hot's drums, which is just a matter
>of taste, mix-wise, I suppose.
>
> Nice song, dude. And you play guitar reel guud. :)
>
>S
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479bfd98$1@linux...
>>
>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>
>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>
>>
>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95200 is a reply to message #95175] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 08:09 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
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I get more or less the same thing as before: too much information in the
lows and low mids on the synths and guitars, and the drums are more at
the level/EQ of how hand percussion or congas would typically be mixed.
Could you make a mix where you pull out ALL the synths and rhythm
guitars, so we could hear what's going on under there?
Neil wrote:
> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
> on these two...
>
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
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>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>> OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
>> start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
>> if anything, is going on.
>>
>> But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
>> being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
>> you're hearing). So, here we go:
>>
>> 1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
>> is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
>> the vocals.
>>
>> 2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
>> interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
>> consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
>> I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
>> Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
>> track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
>> at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
>> them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
>> up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
>>
>> 3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
>> less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>> especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>>
>> 4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>> a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>> pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>> hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>> that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>> same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>> case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>> in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>> layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>> tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>> pretty quick.
>>
>> 5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>> that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>> lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>> other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>> being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>> end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
>> guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
>> getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
>>
>> So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
>> going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
>> might be personal preference & the like???
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Neil,
>>>
>>> That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the mix on
> Adams
>>> A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd like
>> more
>>> power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced but
> the
>>> drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments punch
>>> out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in the drums
>>> and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe. Nice
>>> tones.
>>> Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought I
> was
>>> listening to Neil Pert.
>>>
>>> wayne
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
>>>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>>> interpretation! lol
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>>> Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents worth
>>>>> of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful with
>>>>> my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>>>> pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>>>>> everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>>>>> the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>>> guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit too
>>>>> so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>>>>> mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch from
>>>>> the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>>> Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95207 is a reply to message #95186] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 11:06 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Both of them sound too "constricted" to me, frankly... feels
like I'm being suffocated trying to listen to them. The first
one still felt like it was able to breathe a bit.
The voice distortion in the 2nd version might just be me lol
Or it could be the Portico doing it - it's on a very gentle
saturation setting (i.e.: almost "none"), but it still might be
enough to enhance that aspect.
Interesing that you said MORE guitars, when several people here
said "less" - this is why mixing by commitee doens't work. LOL
But I still value y'all's opinions. :D
As to the bass line, yes I have a sansamp, but I don't want to
put any noise of that nature into the mix - maybe i'll crank a
tube driver on that track a bit... I actually have a little bit
of one on there, but it's on a fairly light setting.
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
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>"Neil" <OIUOIU@oiu.COM> wrote in message news:479ebdcf@linux...
>
>> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
>> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
>> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
>> on these two...
>
>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>The opening gtr/key riff is killing volume-wise. Drums are much nicer,
>bigger. Same as below, 1.2k and 2k are too harsh in on the axe trax. I bet
>once that's carved you're also going to have more space for the vocal and
>need to back it down a few hairs and have more room for the keys as well.
>
> Of the three, this 2nd one is my favorite version
>
>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
>
>I still think the kick is a bit on the thinnish side. I'm hearing some kind
>of distortion in the vocal - almost like you might hear on vinyl LP on say
>something like Magic Power/Triumph, and the gtrs are still too harsh around
>1.2k and again at 3k. I think if you get those tamed a bit more, then you
>can bring the kit back around to a more natural and ballsy state. Any chance
>you have a sansamp to run the bass through? I could hear more grunt on that
>track pretty easily.
>
>In all mixes, I think the rhythm gtr could stand to come up a bit, but those
>freq's at the top (1.2 & 2k) are hard on the listener. I'm also hearing
some
>space fighting/uneven low energy going on between synth and bass (3:26~3:37
>are examples of this)..... a multiband on the insert might fix that.
>
>'zat help bro?
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>AA
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95225 is a reply to message #95207] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 16:28 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479f6b20$1@linux...
>
> Both of them sound too "constricted" to me, frankly... feels
> like I'm being suffocated trying to listen to them. The first
> one still felt like it was able to breathe a bit.
>
> The voice distortion in the 2nd version might just be me lol
> Or it could be the Portico doing it - it's on a very gentle
> saturation setting (i.e.: almost "none"), but it still might be
> enough to enhance that aspect.
>
> Interesing that you said MORE guitars, when several people here
> said "less" - this is why mixing by commitee doens't work. LOL
>
I tend to think that once the upper mids are tamed, you'll find that there
is not enough. Besides, I'm not afraid of some inyaface guitar :)
> But I still value y'all's opinions. :D
>
> As to the bass line, yes I have a sansamp, but I don't want to
> put any noise of that nature into the mix - maybe i'll crank a
> tube driver on that track a bit... I actually have a little bit
> of one on there, but it's on a fairly light setting.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@oiu.COM> wrote in message news:479ebdcf@linux...
>>
>>> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
>>> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
>>> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
>>> on these two...
>>
>>
>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>>The opening gtr/key riff is killing volume-wise. Drums are much nicer,
>>bigger. Same as below, 1.2k and 2k are too harsh in on the axe trax. I bet
>
>>once that's carved you're also going to have more space for the vocal and
>
>>need to back it down a few hairs and have more room for the keys as well.
>>
>> Of the three, this 2nd one is my favorite version
>>
>>
>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
>>
>>I still think the kick is a bit on the thinnish side. I'm hearing some
>>kind
>
>>of distortion in the vocal - almost like you might hear on vinyl LP on say
>
>>something like Magic Power/Triumph, and the gtrs are still too harsh
>>around
>
>>1.2k and again at 3k. I think if you get those tamed a bit more, then you
>
>>can bring the kit back around to a more natural and ballsy state. Any
>>chance
>
>>you have a sansamp to run the bass through? I could hear more grunt on
>>that
>
>>track pretty easily.
>>
>>In all mixes, I think the rhythm gtr could stand to come up a bit, but
>>those
>
>>freq's at the top (1.2 & 2k) are hard on the listener. I'm also hearing
> some
>>space fighting/uneven low energy going on between synth and bass
>>(3:26~3:37
>
>>are examples of this)..... a multiband on the insert might fix that.
>>
>>'zat help bro?
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95230 is a reply to message #95200] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 18:30 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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Or just post the individual tracks and let us mix it how we want it for gods
sakes :-)
Chuck
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I get more or less the same thing as before: too much information in the
>lows and low mids on the synths and guitars, and the drums are more at
>the level/EQ of how hand percussion or congas would typically be mixed.
>
>Could you make a mix where you pull out ALL the synths and rhythm
>guitars, so we could hear what's going on under there?
>
>
>Neil wrote:
>> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
>> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
>> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
>> on these two...
>>
>>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
>>
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>>> OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
>>> start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
>>> if anything, is going on.
>>>
>>> But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
>>> being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
>>> you're hearing). So, here we go:
>>>
>>> 1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
>>> is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
>>> the vocals.
>>>
>>> 2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
>>> interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
>>> consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
>>> I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
>>> Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
>>> track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
>>> at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
>>> them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
>>> up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
>>>
>>> 3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
>>> less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>>> especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>>>
>>> 4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>>> a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>>> pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>>> hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>>> that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>>> same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>>> case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>>> in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>>> layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>>> tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>>> pretty quick.
>>>
>>> 5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>>> that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>>> lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>>> other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>>> being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>>> end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
>>> guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
>>> getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
>>>
>>> So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
>>> going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
>>> might be personal preference & the like???
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Neil,
>>>>
>>>> That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the mix
on
>> Adams
>>>> A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd like
>>> more
>>>> power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced but
>> the
>>>> drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments
punch
>>>> out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in the
drums
>>>> and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe. Nice
>>>> tones.
>>>> Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought
I
>> was
>>>> listening to Neil Pert.
>>>>
>>>> wayne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
>>>>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>>>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>>>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>>>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>>>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>>>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>>>> interpretation! lol
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>>>> Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents
worth
>>>>>> of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful
with
>>>>>> my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>>>>> pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>>>>>> everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>>>>>> the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>>>> guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit
too
>>>>>> so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>>>>>> mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch
from
>>>>>> the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>>>> Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95232 is a reply to message #95230] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 17:32 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Senior Member |
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That's a better idea!
chuck duffy wrote:
> Or just post the individual tracks and let us mix it how we want it for gods
> sakes :-)
>
> Chuck
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> I get more or less the same thing as before: too much information in the
>
>> lows and low mids on the synths and guitars, and the drums are more at
>> the level/EQ of how hand percussion or congas would typically be mixed.
>>
>> Could you make a mix where you pull out ALL the synths and rhythm
>> guitars, so we could hear what's going on under there?
>>
>>
>> Neil wrote:
>>> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
>>> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
>>> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
>>> on these two...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>>>
>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
>>>
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>>>> OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
>>>> start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
>>>> if anything, is going on.
>>>>
>>>> But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
>>>> being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
>>>> you're hearing). So, here we go:
>>>>
>>>> 1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
>>>> is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
>>>> the vocals.
>>>>
>>>> 2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
>>>> interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
>>>> consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
>>>> I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
>>>> Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
>>>> track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
>>>> at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
>>>> them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
>>>> up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
>>>>
>>>> 3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
>>>> less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>>>> especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>>>>
>>>> 4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>>>> a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>>>> pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>>>> hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>>>> that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>>>> same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>>>> case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>>>> in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>>>> layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>>>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>>>> tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>>>> pretty quick.
>>>>
>>>> 5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>>>> that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>>>> lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>>>> other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>>>> being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>>>> end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
>>>> guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
>>>> getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
>>>>
>>>> So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
>>>> going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
>>>> might be personal preference & the like???
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Neil,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the mix
> on
>>> Adams
>>>>> A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd like
>>>> more
>>>>> power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced but
>>> the
>>>>> drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments
> punch
>>>>> out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in the
> drums
>>>>> and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe. Nice
>>>>> tones.
>>>>> Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought
> I
>>> was
>>>>> listening to Neil Pert.
>>>>>
>>>>> wayne
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
>>>>>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>>>>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>>>>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>>>>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>>>>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>>>>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>>>>> interpretation! lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>>>>> Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents
> worth
>>>>>>> of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful
> with
>>>>>>> my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>>>>>> pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power of
>>>>>>> everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable from
>>>>>>> the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>>>>> guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit
> too
>>>>>>> so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>>>>>>> mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch
> from
>>>>>>> the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>>>>> Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>>>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>>>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>>>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>>>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95233 is a reply to message #95232] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 18:58 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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No, because then you'll say that you didn't like the way
certain tracks were recorded... i'll just post the MIDI file
& the lyrics, and that way you can start from scratch.
lol
Neil
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>That's a better idea!
>
>chuck duffy wrote:
>> Or just post the individual tracks and let us mix it how we want it for
gods
>> sakes :-)
>>
>> Chuck
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> I get more or less the same thing as before: too much information in
the
>>
>>> lows and low mids on the synths and guitars, and the drums are more at
>>> the level/EQ of how hand percussion or congas would typically be mixed.
>>>
>>> Could you make a mix where you pull out ALL the synths and rhythm
>>> guitars, so we could hear what's going on under there?
>>>
>>>
>>> Neil wrote:
>>>> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
>>>> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
>>>> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
>>>> on these two...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>>>>
>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>>>>> OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
>>>>> start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
>>>>> if anything, is going on.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
>>>>> being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
>>>>> you're hearing). So, here we go:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
>>>>> is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
>>>>> the vocals.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
>>>>> interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
>>>>> consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
>>>>> I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
>>>>> Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
>>>>> track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
>>>>> at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
>>>>> them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
>>>>> up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
>>>>> less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>>>>> especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>>>>> a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>>>>> pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>>>>> hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>>>>> that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>>>>> same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>>>>> case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>>>>> in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>>>>> layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>>>>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>>>>> tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>>>>> pretty quick.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>>>>> that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>>>>> lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>>>>> other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>>>>> being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>>>>> end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
>>>>> guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
>>>>> getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
>>>>>
>>>>> So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
>>>>> going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
>>>>> might be personal preference & the like???
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Neil,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the mix
>> on
>>>> Adams
>>>>>> A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd
like
>>>>> more
>>>>>> power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced
but
>>>> the
>>>>>> drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments
>> punch
>>>>>> out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in
the
>> drums
>>>>>> and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe.
Nice
>>>>>> tones.
>>>>>> Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought
>> I
>>>> was
>>>>>> listening to Neil Pert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wayne
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
>>>>>>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>>>>>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>>>>>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>>>>>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>>>>>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>>>>>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>>>>>> interpretation! lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>>>>>> Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents
>> worth
>>>>>>>> of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful
>> with
>>>>>>>> my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>>>>>>> pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power
of
>>>>>>>> everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable
from
>>>>>>>> the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>>>>>> guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a bit
>> too
>>>>>>>> so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm hearing
>>>>>>>> mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch
>> from
>>>>>>>> the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>>>>>> Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>>>>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>>>>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>>>>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>>>>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95235 is a reply to message #95233] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 19:58 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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Killer idea!
Chuck
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>No, because then you'll say that you didn't like the way
>certain tracks were recorded... i'll just post the MIDI file
>& the lyrics, and that way you can start from scratch.
>
>lol
>
>Neil
>
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>That's a better idea!
>>
>>chuck duffy wrote:
>>> Or just post the individual tracks and let us mix it how we want it for
>gods
>>> sakes :-)
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> I get more or less the same thing as before: too much information in
>the
>>>
>>>> lows and low mids on the synths and guitars, and the drums are more
at
>
>>>> the level/EQ of how hand percussion or congas would typically be mixed.
>>>>
>>>> Could you make a mix where you pull out ALL the synths and rhythm
>>>> guitars, so we could hear what's going on under there?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
>>>>> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
>>>>> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
>>>>> on these two...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>>>>>
>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>>>>>> OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
>>>>>> start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
>>>>>> if anything, is going on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
>>>>>> being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
>>>>>> you're hearing). So, here we go:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
>>>>>> is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
>>>>>> the vocals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
>>>>>> interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
>>>>>> consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
>>>>>> I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
>>>>>> Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
>>>>>> track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
>>>>>> at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
>>>>>> them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
>>>>>> up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
>>>>>> less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>>>>>> especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>>>>>> a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>>>>>> pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>>>>>> hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>>>>>> that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>>>>>> same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>>>>>> case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>>>>>> in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>>>>>> layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>>>>>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>>>>>> tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>>>>>> pretty quick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>>>>>> that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>>>>>> lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>>>>>> other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>>>>>> being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>>>>>> end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
>>>>>> guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
>>>>>> getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
>>>>>> going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
>>>>>> might be personal preference & the like???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Neil,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the mix
>>> on
>>>>> Adams
>>>>>>> A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd
>like
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced
>but
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments
>>> punch
>>>>>>> out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in
>the
>>> drums
>>>>>>> and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe.
>Nice
>>>>>>> tones.
>>>>>>> Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought
>>> I
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> listening to Neil Pert.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wayne
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>>>>>>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>>>>>>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>>>>>>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>>>>>>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>>>>>>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>>>>>>> interpretation! lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>>>>>>> Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents
>>> worth
>>>>>>>>> of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful
>>> with
>>>>>>>>> my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>>>>>>>> pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power
>of
>>>>>>>>> everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable
>from
>>>>>>>>> the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>>>>>>> guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a
bit
>>> too
>>>>>>>>> so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm
hearing
>>>>>>>>> mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end punch
>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>>>>>>> Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>>>>>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>>>>>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>>>>>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>>>>>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95248 is a reply to message #95235] |
Wed, 30 January 2008 00:17 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
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Don't dare me, i'll do it! lol
:D
"chuck duffy" <C@c.com> wrote:
>
>Killer idea!
>
>Chuck
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>No, because then you'll say that you didn't like the way
>>certain tracks were recorded... i'll just post the MIDI file
>>& the lyrics, and that way you can start from scratch.
>>
>>lol
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>That's a better idea!
>>>
>>>chuck duffy wrote:
>>>> Or just post the individual tracks and let us mix it how we want it
for
>>gods
>>>> sakes :-)
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> I get more or less the same thing as before: too much information in
>>the
>>>>
>>>>> lows and low mids on the synths and guitars, and the drums are more
>at
>>
>>>>> the level/EQ of how hand percussion or congas would typically be mixed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you make a mix where you pull out ALL the synths and rhythm
>>>>> guitars, so we could hear what's going on under there?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
>>>>>> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
>>>>>> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
>>>>>> on these two...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
>>>>>>> start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
>>>>>>> if anything, is going on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
>>>>>>> being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
>>>>>>> you're hearing). So, here we go:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
>>>>>>> is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
>>>>>>> the vocals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
>>>>>>> interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
>>>>>>> consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
>>>>>>> I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
>>>>>>> Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
>>>>>>> track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
>>>>>>> at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
>>>>>>> them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
>>>>>>> up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
>>>>>>> less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>>>>>>> especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>>>>>>> a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>>>>>>> pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>>>>>>> hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>>>>>>> that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>>>>>>> same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>>>>>>> case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>>>>>>> in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>>>>>>> layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>>>>>>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>>>>>>> tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>>>>>>> pretty quick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>>>>>>> that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>>>>>>> lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>>>>>>> other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>>>>>>> being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>>>>>>> end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
>>>>>>> guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
>>>>>>> getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
>>>>>>> going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
>>>>>>> might be personal preference & the like???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Neil,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the
mix
>>>> on
>>>>>> Adams
>>>>>>>> A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd
>>like
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced
>>but
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and instruments
>>>> punch
>>>>>>>> out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in
>>the
>>>> drums
>>>>>>>> and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe.
>>Nice
>>>>>>>> tones.
>>>>>>>> Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I thought
>>>> I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> listening to Neil Pert.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wayne
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>>>>>>>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>>>>>>>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>>>>>>>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>>>>>>>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>>>>>>>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>>>>>>>> interpretation! lol
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>>>>>>>> Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple cents
>>>> worth
>>>>>>>>>> of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been helpful
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the synthy/organey
>>>>>>>>>> pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power
>>of
>>>>>>>>>> everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable
>>from
>>>>>>>>>> the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths left,
>>>>>>>>>> guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a
>bit
>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>> so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm
>hearing
>>>>>>>>>> mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end
punch
>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>>>>>>>> Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>>>>>>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>>>>>>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>>>>>>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>>>>>>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95249 is a reply to message #95248] |
Tue, 29 January 2008 23:21 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I just doubled my amount (20) of synth hardware modules this week... bring
it, lol ~!
AA
"Neil" <OIUOI@OUI.com> wrote in message news:47a02474$1@linux...
>
> Don't dare me, i'll do it! lol
>
> :D
>
> "chuck duffy" <C@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Killer idea!
>>
>>Chuck
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>No, because then you'll say that you didn't like the way
>>>certain tracks were recorded... i'll just post the MIDI file
>>>& the lyrics, and that way you can start from scratch.
>>>
>>>lol
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>That's a better idea!
>>>>
>>>>chuck duffy wrote:
>>>>> Or just post the individual tracks and let us mix it how we want it
> for
>>>gods
>>>>> sakes :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I get more or less the same thing as before: too much information in
>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>> lows and low mids on the synths and guitars, and the drums are more
>>at
>>>
>>>>>> the level/EQ of how hand percussion or congas would typically be
>>>>>> mixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you make a mix where you pull out ALL the synths and rhythm
>>>>>> guitars, so we could hear what's going on under there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>> OK, here are two slightly different versions of a "thicker"
>>>>>>> mix of the same song... those of you who commented on the
>>>>>>> previous mix are the ones i'd appreciate feedback from the most
>>>>>>> on these two...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aRoughW-RLinc olnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-v3aPorticoTapeS imRoughW-RLincolnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> OK, now you guys have me all farkin' paranoid, so I'm going to
>>>>>>>> start checking for phase anomalies & shit like that to see what,
>>>>>>>> if anything, is going on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But in the meanwhile, a couple of responses (and, no i'm not
>>>>>>>> being defensive - I appreciate what you guys are saying that
>>>>>>>> you're hearing). So, here we go:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1.) To Bill - forgot to answer your question on who the singer
>>>>>>>> is... I'm doing everything but drums on this one, to include
>>>>>>>> the vocals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2.) Someone said they'd like to hear less rhythm guitars...
>>>>>>>> interestingly, in previous versions of this song, one of the
>>>>>>>> consistent things I kept hearing was "we want more guitars!!!";
>>>>>>>> I felt they would have overpowered things at the time, but
>>>>>>>> Rod's playing on this brings so much more drive & power to the
>>>>>>>> track that I was able to (or possibly that I was obligated to,
>>>>>>>> at that stage) bring up the guitars a bit, and not have
>>>>>>>> them sound too overbearing. Frankly. I really didn't bring them
>>>>>>>> up very much at all... a couple of db's at best on each side.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3.) Someone said "less keys" - well, the song has considerably
>>>>>>>> less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>>>>>>>> especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>>>>>>>> a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>>>>>>>> pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>>>>>>>> hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>>>>>>>> that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>>>>>>>> same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>>>>>>>> case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>>>>>>>> in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>>>>>>>> layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>>>>>>>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>>>>>>>> tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>>>>>>>> pretty quick.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>>>>>>>> that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>>>>>>>> lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>>>>>>>> other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>>>>>>>> being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>>>>>>>> end of the rhythm guitars? it's easy to pick it out where the
>>>>>>>> guitar parts drop out - check the solo sections to see what I'm
>>>>>>>> getting at (where the rhythm parts drop out).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, while I'm now going to go back & check for anything weird
>>>>>>>> going on in the low end, I'm also wondering how much of this
>>>>>>>> might be personal preference & the like???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Neil,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's weird. I heard exactly what Bill L heard concerning the
> mix
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Adams
>>>>>>>>> A7 with a sub. I was considering sending you a similar note. I'd
>>>like
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> power from the drums and bass. Bass is ok but not real pronounced
>>>but
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> drums feel or sound in the distant and top endy. Vox and
>>>>>>>>> instruments
>>>>> punch
>>>>>>>>> out well and feel close and in my face. I like that. Changes in
>>>the
>>>>> drums
>>>>>>>>> and the mix would be balanced for me. Great tune with an LA vibe.
>>>Nice
>>>>>>>>> tones.
>>>>>>>>> Hey Rod, good stuff! Must have been fun! Very exciting. I
>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> listening to Neil Pert.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wayne
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:479e1f19$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> Bill... I'm hearing everything in good balance except for
>>>>>>>>>> one little synth part near the front that I'll either automate
>>>>>>>>>> some EQ just for those couple of measures, or do a slight level
>>>>>>>>>> boost there. I can hear the bass & drums pretty full & strong
>>>>>>>>>> through 3 systems I've heard it on (DAW monitors, home stereo,
>>>>>>>>>> and car), so I'm not really sure how to interpret your, umm...
>>>>>>>>>> interpretation! lol
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Nice drumming and playing! Fun song. Who is the singer?
>>>>>>>>>>> Neil, I know you didn't ask, but I'm gonna give you a couple
>>>>>>>>>>> cents
>>>>> worth
>>>>>>>>>>> of mix critique, because I like the song and you have been
>>>>>>>>>>> helpful
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> my mixes in the past: I wanted to hear a lot less of the
>>>>>>>>>>> synthy/organey
>>>>>>>>>>> pads and less wash of guitars. They kind of washed out the power
>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>> everything else. The guitar comping was almost indistinguishable
>>>from
>>>>>>>>>>> the synths in many places. Maybe pronounced panning (synths
>>>>>>>>>>> left,
>>>>>>>>>>> guitars right?) and more pointy EQ would clear up the middle a
>>bit
>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>> so the drums and bass can push through. Also, on the drums I'm
>>hearing
>>>>>>>>>>> mostly top end on my Mackie HR 824s - I'm not feeling low end
> punch
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> the kick drum and pop from the snare.
>>>>>>>>>>> Anywho, it's a great tune - thanks for sharing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of you have heard this song in various permutations, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> now, FINALLY, i think i can call it "DONE!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ladies & gentlemen, our very own Rod Lincoln on drums...
>>>>>>>>>>>> you REALLY do have to check this out - he threw down
>>>>>>>>>>>> a totally 100% ass-kickin' performance! Especially from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> midpoint solo sections onward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Istanbul-3rdRough-RLinco lnDrums.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Can I give a guy some "Props?" [message #95259 is a reply to message #95257] |
Wed, 30 January 2008 09:23 |
IOUOI
Messages: 38
Registered: June 2007
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"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks to everyone for the kind words on my playing. I've been pretty slammed
>lately and havn't posted, but I have kept up on the reading, so again, thanks!
>And thanks to Neil for giving me the opportunity to "explore my inner octopus".
>
>Rod
Just think Simon Phillips on about five Red Bull's.
LOL!
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