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| Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100197] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 11:11  |
Wayne
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Hi folks,
Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will pay
up to $2K but that is a little painful.
I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
Thanks,
Wayne
btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to reply
with thanks immediately.
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100200 is a reply to message #100197] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 14:01  |
TCB
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I don't think you'll get much sonic improvement over the Mackies for anything
like reasonable amounts of money. Probably the best deal would be Sytek (love
mine) but that's over $200/channel.
TCB
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>
>Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
>vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
pay
>up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>
>I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>
>Thanks,
>Wayne
>
>btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to reply
>with thanks immediately.
>
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100201 is a reply to message #100197] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 18:13 |
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I was thinking of giving this complete El Cheapo a try -
http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=content&task= view&id=34
$169.95
and then sending it to Black Lion Audio for this mod:
http://www.blacklionaudio.com/sm_pro_8_mki_mod.html
$365
It won't give me a lot of headroom, but it sounds like it will wind up
being a very nice extra eight. Total cost, well less than $100/channel;
I've heard Black Lion's work and I'm inclined to take them at their
word on this mod.
- Kerry
On 2008-09-02 11:11:28 -0700, "Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> said:
> Hi folks,
>
> Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
> tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
> instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
> Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
> single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>
> Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
> with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
> ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
> bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
> vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will pay
> up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>
> I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
> harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>
> btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to reply
> with thanks immediately.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100202 is a reply to message #100197] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 19:57 |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Presonus-M80-w-Jensen-Transformers_W0QQi temZ260282328672QQihZ016QQcategoryZ23790QQssPageNameZWDVWQQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ht_500wt_0
I have one these. I like it.
Gantt
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>
>Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
>vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
pay
>up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>
>I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>
>Thanks,
>Wayne
>
>btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to reply
>with thanks immediately.
>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100203 is a reply to message #100197] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 20:28 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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Look into Grace 101's (101's used market ... M101 if you're after the new
versions) if you seek clean color free sound without a 2nd home mortgage.
Before you go there though, be sure that just getting the 1604 VLZ3 won't
get you where you want to go. Compare a new one to your old one at a local
music shop on some trusted cans or in a private session in a pro audio room.
AA
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:48bd85c3$1@linux...
> Hi folks,
>
> Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
> tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
> instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
> Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
> single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>
> Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
> with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
> ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
> bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and
> backing vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality.
> I will pay up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>
> I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
> harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>
> btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
> reply with thanks immediately.
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100205 is a reply to message #100197] |
Wed, 03 September 2008 02:13 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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true systems.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:11:28 -0700, "Wayne Carson"
<waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>
>Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
>vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will pay
>up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>
>I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>
>Thanks,
>Wayne
>
>btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to reply
>with thanks immediately.
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100212 is a reply to message #100197] |
Wed, 03 September 2008 09:13 |
tonehouse
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Has anyone tried the M-Audio box? Are M_Audio mic pres better than the
Presonus ones?
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:48bd85c3$1@linux...
> Hi folks,
>
> Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
> tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
> instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
> Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
> single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>
> Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
> with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
> ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
> bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and
backing
> vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
pay
> up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>
> I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
> harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>
> btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
reply
> with thanks immediately.
>
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100214 is a reply to message #100212] |
Wed, 03 September 2008 12:13 |
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A friend who's very into his Nuendo/REAPER system has tried a wide
range of budget pres, and he's extremely pleased with the M-Audio
(although I've never been an enormous fan of their gear for sound, only
for features).
But the thing he's raved most about lately is his Mackie Onyx, and you
can get eight of those pres for $849 or even sixteen for $1099 as
B-stock at zzounds.
http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACONYX1620
http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACONYX1640
I suppose that doesn't eliminate having the mixer section, thus getting
it all neatly into a one-or-two-space rack. Funny that having all that
extra mixer attached to the pres is actually starting to be a minus,
rather than a plus, in today's tighter workspaces.
Wayne, one more option occurred to me, although it might not suit your
needs. Seventh Circle Audio has a modular (sort of MEC-like) preamp, in
that you buy a chassis and populate it as needed up to eight units.
They come as kits, and the most basic eight-channel configuration is
dirt cheap at under $1200. From all reports it's definitely seriously
high class - a step up from the range of pres we're discussing. But it
would be some serious electronic work to assemble, and not for
"first-timers". The modules range from $89 as a kit to a Neve clone
fully assembled at $499 (you can buy them assembled, but that would
shoot your budget by a fair margin).
http://www.seventhcircleaudio.com/
On 2008-09-03 09:13:11
-0700, "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> said:
> Has anyone tried the M-Audio box? Are M_Audio mic pres better than the
> Presonus ones?
> "Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:48bd85c3$1@linux...
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>> tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>> instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>> Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>> single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>>
>> Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>> with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>> ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>> bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and
> backing
>> vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
> pay
>> up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>>
>> I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>> harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne
>>
>> btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
> reply
>> with thanks immediately.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100216 is a reply to message #100214] |
Wed, 03 September 2008 17:15 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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heeyyyyy.......
http://www.seventhcircleaudio.com/cart/cart.htm
dangit man, you're blowin' my end of year budget :)
AA
"KerryGalloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
news:48bee5d3@linux...
>A friend who's very into his Nuendo/REAPER system has tried a wide range of
>budget pres, and he's extremely pleased with the M-Audio (although I've
>never been an enormous fan of their gear for sound, only for features).
>
> But the thing he's raved most about lately is his Mackie Onyx, and you can
> get eight of those pres for $849 or even sixteen for $1099 as B-stock at
> zzounds.
>
> http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACONYX1620
>
> http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACONYX1640
>
> I suppose that doesn't eliminate having the mixer section, thus getting it
> all neatly into a one-or-two-space rack. Funny that having all that extra
> mixer attached to the pres is actually starting to be a minus, rather than
> a plus, in today's tighter workspaces.
>
> Wayne, one more option occurred to me, although it might not suit your
> needs. Seventh Circle Audio has a modular (sort of MEC-like) preamp, in
> that you buy a chassis and populate it as needed up to eight units. They
> come as kits, and the most basic eight-channel configuration is dirt cheap
> at under $1200. From all reports it's definitely seriously high class - a
> step up from the range of pres we're discussing. But it would be some
> serious electronic work to assemble, and not for "first-timers". The
> modules range from $89 as a kit to a Neve clone fully assembled at $499
> (you can buy them assembled, but that would shoot your budget by a fair
> margin).
>
> http://www.seventhcircleaudio.com/
>
> On 2008-09-03 09:13:11
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> -0700, "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> said:
>
>> Has anyone tried the M-Audio box? Are M_Audio mic pres better than the
>> Presonus ones?
>> "Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:48bd85c3$1@linux...
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>>> tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>>> instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>>> Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>>> single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>>>
>>> Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring
>>> pre,
>>> with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>>> ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I
>>> track
>>> bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and
>> backing
>>> vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
>> pay
>>> up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>>>
>>> I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>>> harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
>> reply
>>> with thanks immediately.
>
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100222 is a reply to message #100212] |
Wed, 03 September 2008 18:17 |
Martin Harrington
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I'm using the M-Audio Project Mix board, and I find the preamps very nice,
although I mainly use it for voice work, and to control ProTools and
Logic/Soundtrack Pro.
Martin H
On 4/09/08 2:13 AM, in article 48beba84$1@linux, "tonehouse"
<zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
> Has anyone tried the M-Audio box? Are M_Audio mic pres better than the
> Presonus ones?
> "Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:48bd85c3$1@linux...
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>> tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>> instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>> Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>> single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>>
>> Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>> with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>> ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>> bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and
> backing
>> vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
> pay
>> up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>>
>> I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>> harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne
>>
>> btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
> reply
>> with thanks immediately.
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100281 is a reply to message #100197] |
Wed, 10 September 2008 00:19 |
Wayne
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Thanks all. I just returned. I've looked into all you'all's suggestions.
I'm leaning toward the Presonus DigiMax FS. $650 @ GC. I contacted tech
support to get a few things answered. They got hit pretty good with Gustav.
I received an automated response so it might be a bit before they get to
answering my questions. PreSonus is in Baton Rouge.
I prefer the front end XLR and 1/4" dual Nuetrik inputs. It uses PreSonus's
newer XMAX class A pre's with trim and apparently their new JetPLL jitter
reduction technology for sync (which I don't need in my config). I've got a
Big Ben clocking my Paris. The FS can be a master clock or receive master
clock. The direct outs are analog and post mic/line pre amp. Presonus touts
that the A/D and D/A are of good quality, 24 bit, 96K. In order to use the
converters, the signal is routed to the A/D and out the ADAT optical to a
DAW or digital mixer. The D/A is only used with the ADAT return signal.
I'm not planning on using the A/D or optical out. I'm sticking with Paris's
8-in's. 8 inserts if needed. BTW - I thought I read somewhere that this
unit is made in China but I might be mistaken. Ugh!
From web page:
XMAX pre amps
High Voltage - The XMAX preamplifier runs on power rails of 30V. Most off
the shelf op amp based designs run on power rails of 10V to 18V. Higher
voltage power rails deliver more headroom, deeper lows, smoother highs and
an overall fuller sound.
Discrete - No op amps. Only transistors, resistors and capacitors. Op amps
add noise, coloration and harshness to a signal. Discrete designs deliver
ultra low noise and transparency.
Class A - When a circuit is running in Class A mode the circuit is always in
an "on" state operating at its optimal voltage requirements. Class A mode
has zero crossover distortion and delivers purer, clearer and more musical
sonics than class A/B designs which are found in most op-amp circuits.
From web forum:
Craig Anderton's 3 classes of pres
Cheapo pres - budget gear
Middle- class "designer" pres - Mackie Onyx, 1820m and PreSonus
Big-bucks "designer" pres - PreSonus ADL 600, Manley, Demeter, etc.
I read Craig Anderton's review of it. In short he A/B'd it against his Emu
1820m and Onyx Satellite and a TC K24D and said, "... they (the pre's)
sound very honest and balanced across the spectrum. You get eight very fine
mic pre's that I would file under " upper middle class designer pre"
category." He also supplied spectrum analysis of FS, 1820 and K24D. See
attachments. The attachment file name shows which graph is which.
On the 1820 vs FS: "Between 80 and 160Hz, the rolloff on the DigiMAX FS is
clearly gentler, accounting for the fuller sound in the bass range. In the
midrange, you can see that the 1820 dips a bit more between 640Hz and
1.3kHz, but has more energy between 2.6 and 5.1kHz."
On the K24D vs FS: "Given that both E-Mu and TC really tout their mic
preamps as being something special, the DigiMAX FS's eight mic pres
certainly hold their own against the K24D -- the similarity between the two
curves speaks for itself -- and seem slightly more "accurate" than the 1820m
pres. They're about as good as you're going to get for the money."
So, the Seventh circle is beyond what I want to deal with but I do
appreciate the input. True systems Precision 8 appears awesome but beyond my
needs and so is Sytek. I'm currently using an M-audio Mobile Pre with my
laptop when I'm away from my Paris home studio. I use it purely to record
demo tracks and to build midi sequences. It's a two channel mic/line. 2 in
2 out. I can not vouch for the quality of M-Audio pre's. The MobilePre seem
to lack clarity or pristine. I use it because it has an USB interface and I
can run Cakewalk Home Studio in ASIO mode vice MME. Another thing I noticed
was that it had very little headroom before it clip'd. I don't know if
their pre's on their other equipment are the same. The Mobil Pre was $150
bucks for two channels.
So, thanks again.
Wayne
Paris since '97
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:48bd85c3$1@linux...
> Hi folks,
>
> Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
> tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
> instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
> Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
> single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>
> Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
> with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
> ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
> bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and
> backing
> vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
> pay
> up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>
> I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
> harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>
> btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
> reply
> with thanks immediately.
>
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100282 is a reply to message #100281] |
Wed, 10 September 2008 10:39 |
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Thanks for posting your findings, Wayne, I'm sure this thread will help
others too. I've got preamp decisions ahead and a limited budget to
make it all happen, so it's certainly timely for me that we haul this
stuff out and look at it critically and consider the pros/cons.
- Kerry
On 2008-09-10 00:19:20 -0700, "Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> said:
> Thanks all. I just returned. I've looked into all you'all's suggestions.
> I'm leaning toward the Presonus DigiMax FS. $650 @ GC.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100291 is a reply to message #100281] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 16:04 |
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hey wayne.. I know I'm late on this but the Behringer AD8000 (* pres, Adat
i/o, with work clock, sounds really good for under $200 bucks.
Some things Behringer makes sounds like crap, But,some are actually really
nice sounding. Like their Pro Verb 96, and even some of their new stomp pedals
out perform Rolands boss units.
But, you should really give the AD 8000 a listen. You will be surprised at
their wide open, full-bodied sound. After a buddy did a live recording using
these units, I was blown away. I thought he rented some high end pres..
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>Thanks all. I just returned. I've looked into all you'all's suggestions.
>I'm leaning toward the Presonus DigiMax FS. $650 @ GC. I contacted tech
>support to get a few things answered. They got hit pretty good with Gustav.
>I received an automated response so it might be a bit before they get to
>answering my questions. PreSonus is in Baton Rouge.
>
>I prefer the front end XLR and 1/4" dual Nuetrik inputs. It uses PreSonus's
>newer XMAX class A pre's with trim and apparently their new JetPLL jitter
>reduction technology for sync (which I don't need in my config). I've got
a
>Big Ben clocking my Paris. The FS can be a master clock or receive master
>clock. The direct outs are analog and post mic/line pre amp. Presonus touts
>that the A/D and D/A are of good quality, 24 bit, 96K. In order to use
the
>converters, the signal is routed to the A/D and out the ADAT optical to
a
>DAW or digital mixer. The D/A is only used with the ADAT return signal.
>I'm not planning on using the A/D or optical out. I'm sticking with Paris's
>8-in's. 8 inserts if needed. BTW - I thought I read somewhere that this
>unit is made in China but I might be mistaken. Ugh!
>
>From web page:
>XMAX pre amps
>High Voltage - The XMAX preamplifier runs on power rails of 30V. Most off
>the shelf op amp based designs run on power rails of 10V to 18V. Higher
>voltage power rails deliver more headroom, deeper lows, smoother highs and
>an overall fuller sound.
>Discrete - No op amps. Only transistors, resistors and capacitors. Op amps
>add noise, coloration and harshness to a signal. Discrete designs deliver
>ultra low noise and transparency.
>
>Class A - When a circuit is running in Class A mode the circuit is always
in
>an "on" state operating at its optimal voltage requirements. Class A mode
>has zero crossover distortion and delivers purer, clearer and more musical
>sonics than class A/B designs which are found in most op-amp circuits.
>
>From web forum:
>Craig Anderton's 3 classes of pres
>Cheapo pres - budget gear
>Middle- class "designer" pres - Mackie Onyx, 1820m and PreSonus
>Big-bucks "designer" pres - PreSonus ADL 600, Manley, Demeter, etc.
>
>I read Craig Anderton's review of it. In short he A/B'd it against his
Emu
>1820m and Onyx Satellite and a TC K24D and said, "... they (the pre's)
>sound very honest and balanced across the spectrum. You get eight very
fine
>mic pre's that I would file under " upper middle class designer pre"
>category." He also supplied spectrum analysis of FS, 1820 and K24D. See
>attachments. The attachment file name shows which graph is which.
>
>On the 1820 vs FS: "Between 80 and 160Hz, the rolloff on the DigiMAX FS
is
>clearly gentler, accounting for the fuller sound in the bass range. In the
>midrange, you can see that the 1820 dips a bit more between 640Hz and
>1.3kHz, but has more energy between 2.6 and 5.1kHz."
>
>On the K24D vs FS: "Given that both E-Mu and TC really tout their mic
>preamps as being something special, the DigiMAX FS's eight mic pres
>certainly hold their own against the K24D -- the similarity between the
two
>curves speaks for itself -- and seem slightly more "accurate" than the 1820m
>pres. They're about as good as you're going to get for the money."
>
>So, the Seventh circle is beyond what I want to deal with but I do
>appreciate the input. True systems Precision 8 appears awesome but beyond
my
>needs and so is Sytek. I'm currently using an M-audio Mobile Pre with my
>laptop when I'm away from my Paris home studio. I use it purely to record
>demo tracks and to build midi sequences. It's a two channel mic/line. 2
in
>2 out. I can not vouch for the quality of M-Audio pre's. The MobilePre seem
>to lack clarity or pristine. I use it because it has an USB interface and
I
>can run Cakewalk Home Studio in ASIO mode vice MME. Another thing I noticed
>was that it had very little headroom before it clip'd. I don't know if
>their pre's on their other equipment are the same. The Mobil Pre was $150
>bucks for two channels.
>
>So, thanks again.
>Wayne
>Paris since '97
>
>
>"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:48bd85c3$1@linux...
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>> tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>> instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>> Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>> single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>>
>> Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>> with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>> ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>> bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and
>> backing
>> vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
>> pay
>> up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>>
>> I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>> harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne
>>
>> btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
>> reply
>> with thanks immediately.
>>
>>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100294 is a reply to message #100291] |
Thu, 11 September 2008 18:01 |
Wayne
Messages: 206
Registered: July 2008
Location: Las Vegas
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Hi LaMont,
Thanks for the response. You know, I considered this unit briefly. My band
leader uses a lot of Behringer products for our gigs because of the price.
I haven't as of yet purchased the mic/line pre.
He uses the Behringer UltraGain T1953 mic pre-amp for his wireless headset,
the UB2442fxPro mixer for the band, the CX2310 crossover for the sub out and
to feed the FOH powered JBL Eon15s , the FBQ2496 feedback destroyer (on
vocals mics only) and the V-Verb REV2496 efx unit. I am only satisfactorily
pleased with all of these products. The feedback destroyer is satisfactory
and so is the crossover, but the ultra gain sounds cloudy, muddy and overly
thick, lacking clarity. The mixer gets hissy just as you get to unity and
very noisy above that and loses any warmth it had and the V-verb has been to
the shop twice and still very often has a hissy noise that slowly goes away
after 7-15 minutes.
fyi - we use QSC amps for the subs and 4 monitors. The monitors are old
Peavey 12s w/dual tweeters. Gotta be late 80s or early 90s. Yeah, yeah, yeah
.. . . I know. That old Peavey sound. Well, hey, I grew up with Peavey
columns slightly pointed inwards to act as monitors AND mains. To me, their
tone has only improved a tad . . . or just a bit more. So to get a good
sounding monitor mix (which is just the headphone out of the main mix) I run
it through an EQ and a BBE sonic maximizer.
I've always recommended that anyone using Behringer products NOT to push
them. They clip easily and change in character the more you edge them to
their limit. The change in character is not polite or pleasant. The become
harsher. However, if you play with them well below their limit then they
play nice and are fine for budget setups.
So, all this being said, I shy'd away from the ADA8000 for my studio. But
I'm not in the position to purchase 8 pre's in the $2K+ arena, although that
Precision 8 from True Systems really seemed to be an awesome unit. Other
than my old, but excellent condition 1604vlz, all my other studio equipment
is middle to top shelf. I've got a simple system, but I can hear the
difference and clarity in quality company transparent equipment. Since my
purchase of the clock, DAC and A7s, I can hear the mushy lows and harsh
highs of the 1604. I didn't hear it before.
Here was my old set up (last year):
Paris 3.0, 1-MEC w/2 8-ins, 2 EDS and 2 C-16's running on internal clock
Mackie 1604vlz (1996) for all inputs to Paris and playback
Alesis RA-100 monitor amp
Yamaha NS-10s (1996)
DOD SR RTA analyzer - helps me find that offending freq
Windows XP w/2 20" LCDs, 2 hard drives and DVD burner
Here's my new set up:
Same Paris system except using external clock and same computer
Big Ben clock
Benchmark DAC
Adam A7s (pair)
Presonus HP4 headphone amp
Presonus Eureka main mic pre amp/EQ/compressor
DOD SR RTA analyzer
Mackie 1604vlz (1996) - to be replaced with 8-in/8-out mic/line pre
Thanks again for a reply.
Wayne
"LaMont " <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:48c9a419$1@linux...
>
> hey wayne.. I know I'm late on this but the Behringer AD8000 (* pres, Adat
> i/o, with work clock, sounds really good for under $200 bucks.
>
> Some things Behringer makes sounds like crap, But,some are actually really
> nice sounding. Like their Pro Verb 96, and even some of their new stomp
> pedals
> out perform Rolands boss units.
>
> But, you should really give the AD 8000 a listen. You will be surprised at
> their wide open, full-bodied sound. After a buddy did a live recording
> using
> these units, I was blown away. I thought he rented some high end pres..
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100313 is a reply to message #100197] |
Sat, 13 September 2008 18:59 |
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I suddenly seem to find myself in the market for an 8 channel pre too. Has
anyone tried the Mackie Onyx 800R? Or the 1200F?
Gantt
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>
>Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
>vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
pay
>up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>
>I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>
>Thanks,
>Wayne
>
>btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to reply
>with thanks immediately.
>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100314 is a reply to message #100313] |
Sat, 13 September 2008 19:29 |
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So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there seems
to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something w/ firewire
so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to be a
whole 'nother can of worms.
Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal into
Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about a gazillion
other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor, headphone
outs. All for around $1700.
Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
Gantt
Thanks!
Gantt
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>I suddenly seem to find myself in the market for an 8 channel pre too.
Has
>anyone tried the Mackie Onyx 800R? Or the 1200F?
>
>Gantt
>
>"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>>tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>>instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>
>>Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>>single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>>
>>Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>
>>with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>
>>ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>
>>bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
>
>>vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
>pay
>>up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>>
>>I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>>harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Wayne
>>
>>btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
reply
>
>>with thanks immediately.
>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100315 is a reply to message #100314] |
Sat, 13 September 2008 22:14 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal into
> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
truncates the last 4 bits, because it's 20 bit. Sounds fine. Dunno if I'd do
super critical orchestral or old school jazz that way, but for the
pop/rock/metal/jazz/fusion stuff I've done with the adat inputs the
convertor quality is way more important than losing the last 4 bits. If you
keep a nice hot signal, you'd never know the difference IMO.
AA
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:48cc7709$1@linux...
>
> So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there
> seems
> to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something w/
> firewire
> so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to be a
> whole 'nother can of worms.
>
> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal into
> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>
> I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about a
> gazillion
> other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor,
> headphone
> outs. All for around $1700.
>
> Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
>
> Gantt
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100316 is a reply to message #100315] |
Sun, 14 September 2008 06:19 |
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Hmmm. The projects in question would be old school jazz and 1 mic classical
recording.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
into
>> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>
>truncates the last 4 bits, because it's 20 bit. Sounds fine. Dunno if I'd
do
>super critical orchestral or old school jazz that way, but for the
>pop/rock/metal/jazz/fusion stuff I've done with the adat inputs the
>convertor quality is way more important than losing the last 4 bits. If
you
>keep a nice hot signal, you'd never know the difference IMO.
>AA
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:48cc7709$1@linux...
>>
>> So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there
>> seems
>> to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something w/
>> firewire
>> so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to be
a
>> whole 'nother can of worms.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
into
>> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>
>> I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about
a
>> gazillion
>> other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor,
>> headphone
>> outs. All for around $1700.
>>
>> Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
>>
>> Gantt
>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100318 is a reply to message #100316] |
Sun, 14 September 2008 07:22 |
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I think what I meant was stereo classical recording, not "1 mic". I'm trying
to put together a mobile rig for, among other things, recording classical
recitals at our local college's performing arts center. The guy who seems
most popular with the students and faculty has a Grace preamp/converter and
some kind or portable high end HD recorder. I'm trying to create a system
for that gig using my wife's HP laptop. The 20 bit limit would only apply
if I drag my #2 Paris system out. The Presonus Firepod might be an option
too. I'm pretty sure I'd like something w/ decent A-D converters built in.
Gantt
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Hmmm. The projects in question would be old school jazz and 1 mic classical
>recording.
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
>into
>>> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>
>>truncates the last 4 bits, because it's 20 bit. Sounds fine. Dunno if I'd
>do
>>super critical orchestral or old school jazz that way, but for the
>>pop/rock/metal/jazz/fusion stuff I've done with the adat inputs the
>>convertor quality is way more important than losing the last 4 bits. If
>you
>>keep a nice hot signal, you'd never know the difference IMO.
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:48cc7709$1@linux...
>>>
>>> So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there
>
>>> seems
>>> to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something w/
>
>>> firewire
>>> so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to be
>a
>>> whole 'nother can of worms.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
>into
>>> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>>
>>> I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about
>a
>>> gazillion
>>> other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor,
>>> headphone
>>> outs. All for around $1700.
>>>
>>> Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100319 is a reply to message #100314] |
Sun, 14 September 2008 07:26 |
Mike Audet
Messages: 294
Registered: December 2008
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Hi Gantt,
I use a Behringer ADA800 through my ADAT card, and it sounds really good.
Most preamps only have 20 bit resolution anyways because of the noise floor.
I think the very best preamps can produce 21 real bits. It won't make any
difference going 20 bit.
All the best,
Mike
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there seems
>to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something w/ firewire
>so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to be a
>whole 'nother can of worms.
>
>Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal into
>Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>
>I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about a
gazillion
>other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor, headphone
>outs. All for around $1700.
>
>Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
>
>Gantt
>
>Thanks!
>
>Gantt
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>I suddenly seem to find myself in the market for an 8 channel pre too.
>Has
>>anyone tried the Mackie Onyx 800R? Or the 1200F?
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>>>Hi folks,
>>>
>>>Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>>>tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>>>instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>>
>>>Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have a
>
>>>single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>>>
>>>Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring pre,
>>
>>>with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me the
>>
>>>ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>>
>>>bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
>>
>>>vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
>>pay
>>>up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>>>
>>>I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>>>harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Wayne
>>>
>>>btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
>reply
>>
>>>with thanks immediately.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100336 is a reply to message #100319] |
Mon, 15 September 2008 07:27 |
Rich S
Messages: 3
Registered: September 2008
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Junior Member |
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Same here - ada 800 - works great no issues...
"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote:
>
>Hi Gantt,
>
>I use a Behringer ADA800 through my ADAT card, and it sounds really good.
> Most preamps only have 20 bit resolution anyways because of the noise floor.
> I think the very best preamps can produce 21 real bits. It won't make
any
>difference going 20 bit.
>
>All the best,
>
>Mike
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there seems
>>to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something w/
firewire
>>so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to be
a
>>whole 'nother can of worms.
>>
>>Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal into
>>Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>
>>I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about a
>gazillion
>>other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor, headphone
>>outs. All for around $1700.
>>
>>Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>I suddenly seem to find myself in the market for an 8 channel pre too.
>
>>Has
>>>anyone tried the Mackie Onyx 800R? Or the 1200F?
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>>Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>>>>tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>>>>instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>>>
>>>>Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have
a
>>
>>>>single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>>>>
>>>>Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring
pre,
>>>
>>>>with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me
the
>>>
>>>>ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I track
>>>
>>>>bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and backing
>>>
>>>>vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I will
>>>pay
>>>>up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>>>>
>>>>I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>>>>harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Wayne
>>>>
>>>>btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
>>reply
>>>
>>>>with thanks immediately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100337 is a reply to message #100318] |
Mon, 15 September 2008 08:03 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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Have a look at Yamabergs latest offering...
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/hardware/mr816x.html
David.
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> I think what I meant was stereo classical recording, not "1 mic". I'm trying
> to put together a mobile rig for, among other things, recording classical
> recitals at our local college's performing arts center. The guy who seems
> most popular with the students and faculty has a Grace preamp/converter and
> some kind or portable high end HD recorder. I'm trying to create a system
> for that gig using my wife's HP laptop. The 20 bit limit would only apply
> if I drag my #2 Paris system out. The Presonus Firepod might be an option
> too. I'm pretty sure I'd like something w/ decent A-D converters built in.
>
> Gantt
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hmmm. The projects in question would be old school jazz and 1 mic classical
>> recording.
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
>> into
>>>> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>> truncates the last 4 bits, because it's 20 bit. Sounds fine. Dunno if I'd
>> do
>>> super critical orchestral or old school jazz that way, but for the
>>> pop/rock/metal/jazz/fusion stuff I've done with the adat inputs the
>>> convertor quality is way more important than losing the last 4 bits. If
>> you
>>> keep a nice hot signal, you'd never know the difference IMO.
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:48cc7709$1@linux...
>>>> So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there
>>>> seems
>>>> to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something w/
>>>> firewire
>>>> so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to be
>> a
>>>> whole 'nother can of worms.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
>> into
>>>> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>>>
>>>> I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about
>> a
>>>> gazillion
>>>> other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor,
>>>> headphone
>>>> outs. All for around $1700.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>
>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100343 is a reply to message #100336] |
Mon, 15 September 2008 10:58 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Got 2 ADA8000's... I think I was one of the first to jump on them here in
the NG from the posting dates. Have had zero trouble with them. Only real
complaint I've had is that the detent gains are NOT matched channel to
channel. That's a QC issue IMO, but a livable one if you're not trying to
make it a completely repeatable gain setting across channels, or do a lot of
critical stereo input micing. For stereo stuff that's touchy, I don't use
the ADA, but I'm not sure those pres are where I'd go for critical input
stereo anyway.
I also noted the earlier versions/releases of them had tighter tolerances to
my ears.
AA
"Rich S" <studiodog_99remove@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:48ce70e4$1@linux...
>
> Same here - ada 800 - works great no issues...
>
> "Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Gantt,
>>
>>I use a Behringer ADA800 through my ADAT card, and it sounds really good.
>> Most preamps only have 20 bit resolution anyways because of the noise
>> floor.
>> I think the very best preamps can produce 21 real bits. It won't make
> any
>>difference going 20 bit.
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there
>>>seems
>>>to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something w/
> firewire
>>>so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to be
> a
>>>whole 'nother can of worms.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
>>>into
>>>Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>>
>>>I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about a
>>gazillion
>>>other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor,
>>>headphone
>>>outs. All for around $1700.
>>>
>>>Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I suddenly seem to find myself in the market for an 8 channel pre too.
>>
>>>Has
>>>>anyone tried the Mackie Onyx 800R? Or the 1200F?
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Does anybody have a recommending on replacing my Mackie 1640vlz for
>>>>>tracking? I only use the 1st 8 channels (direct outs) for tracking
>>>>>instruments and backing vox. My 2nd 8-in takes direct signals from the
>>>>
>>>>>Roland session kit. So the rest of the board is not in use. I have
> a
>>>
>>>>>single MEC with two 8-ins, two EDS and two C16s.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you recommend a clean, tight, non colorizing or minimal coloring
> pre,
>>>>
>>>>>with 8 inputs of XLR and 1/4", 8 1/4" balanced outputs and gives me
> the
>>>>
>>>>>ability to adjust each channel (some mic and some line levels) as I
>>>>>track
>>>>
>>>>>bass, keyboards, guitars (acoustic and electric via POD or amp) and
>>>>>backing
>>>>
>>>>>vox all at once. Don't break the bank but do recommend quality. I
>>>>>will
>>>>pay
>>>>>up to $2K but that is a little painful.
>>>>>
>>>>>I just want to replace my 1604vlz because I can hear the
>>>>>harshness/brittleness and muddyness of the pre's.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Wayne
>>>>>
>>>>>btw - I'll be away from the newsgroup for a week so I won't be able to
>>>reply
>>>>
>>>>>with thanks immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100347 is a reply to message #100337] |
Mon, 15 September 2008 11:19 |
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Looks great but I'm on a tight, tight, tight budget.
Gantt
EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>Have a look at Yamabergs latest offering...
>
>http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/hardware/mr816x.html
>
>David.
>
>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>> I think what I meant was stereo classical recording, not "1 mic". I'm
trying
>> to put together a mobile rig for, among other things, recording classical
>> recitals at our local college's performing arts center. The guy who seems
>> most popular with the students and faculty has a Grace preamp/converter
and
>> some kind or portable high end HD recorder. I'm trying to create a system
>> for that gig using my wife's HP laptop. The 20 bit limit would only apply
>> if I drag my #2 Paris system out. The Presonus Firepod might be an option
>> too. I'm pretty sure I'd like something w/ decent A-D converters built
in.
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hmmm. The projects in question would be old school jazz and 1 mic classical
>>> recording.
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
>>> into
>>>>> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>>> truncates the last 4 bits, because it's 20 bit. Sounds fine. Dunno if
I'd
>>> do
>>>> super critical orchestral or old school jazz that way, but for the
>>>> pop/rock/metal/jazz/fusion stuff I've done with the adat inputs the
>>>> convertor quality is way more important than losing the last 4 bits.
If
>>> you
>>>> keep a nice hot signal, you'd never know the difference IMO.
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:48cc7709$1@linux...
>>>>> So, I've been reading a bit about the Presonus Digimax FS since there
>>>>> seems
>>>>> to be a lot of favorable talk about it. I'd like to have something
w/
>>>>> firewire
>>>>> so I could do remote stuff w/ my wife's PC laptop but that seems to
be
>>> a
>>>>> whole 'nother can of worms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have experience with sending 24 bit ADAT lightpipe signal
>>> into
>>>>> Paris' 20 bit ADAT cards' inputs? Does it sound good, bad, indifferent?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also interested in the Mackie Onyx 1200F. 12 Onyx preamps, about
>>> a
>>>>> gazillion
>>>>> other ins and outs, ADAT lightpipe, firewire, control room monitor,
>>>>> headphone
>>>>> outs. All for around $1700.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone want to buy my 1975 Martin D28?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Decent 8-in/8-out mic/line pre [message #100442 is a reply to message #100441] |
Mon, 22 September 2008 13:47 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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You have 8 mic/line inputs. You can also use channels 1 and 2 as instrument
level inputs. You can use all 8 as mic / line inputs in any combination
but to be able to use 1 and 2 as line ins you have to use the returns which
will also pass them to the direct outs if I remember correctly. I'm 99%
sure on that. If you use 1 and 2 as instrument level ins then you are down
to 6 mic/line ins.
Just give presonus a phone call to tech support to make sure. Killer sound
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