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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64471 is a reply to message #64463] |
Sat, 11 February 2006 11:48   |
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Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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Edna,
SPDIF carries it's own imbedded clock signal. You can, in theory, set Paris
to receive *digital* clock in the Paris control panel, and it *should* sync
to the spdif output of another device which is feeding it's signal to the
Paris spdif input. This won't lock up the timelines of two DAWs, (only ADAT
or midi sync will do this) but if you're just inputting audio into PARIS via
spdif, it *should* prevent timing errors like clicks and pops.
Deej
na" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43edfe5f@linux...
> Adequately represented in the stream? I plan to s/pdif from the sequencer
> computer to the PARIS computer. I have never done any digital transfers
> before, so am not sure what sync issues may arise. Are you saying the
> digital data will provide its own sync?
> Thanks,
> Edna
> "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
> news:43ede2d8$1@linux...
> > Just one thing: unless you are actually synching ADAT tape transports I
> > don't think you need the 9 pin sync for the digital data - it is
> adequately
> > represented in the stream.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:43ed5d14$1@linux...
> > > I've heard great things about the EMU card as far as fidelity goes.
I've
> > > also heard some bad things about it as far as the digital protocall
> goes.
> > > Seems it doesn't somehow adhere to the ADAT spec so if you're planning
> to
> > > interface it digitally with Paris via ADAT, there might be issues. It
> > > doesn't have an ADAT sync input so clocking it could be an issue
unless
> > > you
> > > were clocking both the EMU card and Paris to an external clock. The
> MAudio
> > > ought to be pretty strack as far as being compatible with whatever
spec
> > > you
> > > want to use. It's a bit more $$$, but I'm very pleased with the RME
> stuff
> > > and I have also used the LynxOne. If you don't need a whole lot of I/O
> and
> > > sample rates above 48k, the LynxOne is an excellent choice. I have
> > > actually
> > > clocked Paris from a LynxOne and I have also daisy chained a LynxOne
> from
> > > a
> > > Paris system with no problems. Lynx and RME both make great stuff.
> > >
> > > Deej
> > >
> > > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
> > >> Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
> > >> Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
> > >> opinions
> > >> or suggestions?
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Edna
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64475 is a reply to message #64473] |
Sat, 11 February 2006 15:49 |
Bill Lorentzen
Messages: 140
Registered: June 2005
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OK, I get what you are doing. First I should clarify: there are 2 kinds of
sync here. There is wordclock, which locks the digital clocks for accurate
transfer of audio, then there is play/stop sync, which moves the
DAW/sequencer play line. The first one is carried by either a wordclock
cable (best), or embedded in the spdif or ADAT lightpipe digital stream
(OK). The second one can be from MIDI timecode via a MIDI cable (OK), or if
you have it, a 9 pin ADAT sync cable (very accurate) (or a few other ways,
but we won't worry about those now).
If you are moving VSTi audio tracks from a sequencer into Paris, or just
want them to play along with Paris, you should do fine with MIDI timecode
for the sync and spdif for the audio (2 tracks at a time). I would recommend
that approach - someone else who still uses Paris correct me if I am wrong.
Bill
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ee5238@linux...
> Thanks Bill
> I would also like to be able to have the visti computer start playingwhen
> I
> start PARIS recording(or vice versa), since I am bringing the
> instrumentation in piecemeal.
>
> "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
> news:43ee3e77$1@linux...
>> What I meant is that the lightpipe cables would carry the sync and you
> would
>> not need the 9 pin. If you are going spdif then you should have no
>> concern
>> about the ADAT 9 pin whatsoever.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43edfe5f@linux...
>> > Adequately represented in the stream? I plan to s/pdif from the
> sequencer
>> > computer to the PARIS computer. I have never done any digital
>> > transfers
>> > before, so am not sure what sync issues may arise. Are you saying the
>> > digital data will provide its own sync?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Edna
>> > "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
>> > news:43ede2d8$1@linux...
>> >> Just one thing: unless you are actually synching ADAT tape transports
>> >> I
>> >> don't think you need the 9 pin sync for the digital data - it is
>> > adequately
>> >> represented in the stream.
>> >>
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:43ed5d14$1@linux...
>> >> > I've heard great things about the EMU card as far as fidelity goes.
>> >> > I've
>> >> > also heard some bad things about it as far as the digital protocall
>> > goes.
>> >> > Seems it doesn't somehow adhere to the ADAT spec so if you're
> planning
>> > to
>> >> > interface it digitally with Paris via ADAT, there might be issues.
>> >> > It
>> >> > doesn't have an ADAT sync input so clocking it could be an issue
> unless
>> >> > you
>> >> > were clocking both the EMU card and Paris to an external clock. The
>> > MAudio
>> >> > ought to be pretty strack as far as being compatible with whatever
> spec
>> >> > you
>> >> > want to use. It's a bit more $$$, but I'm very pleased with the RME
>> > stuff
>> >> > and I have also used the LynxOne. If you don't need a whole lot of
> I/O
>> > and
>> >> > sample rates above 48k, the LynxOne is an excellent choice. I have
>> >> > actually
>> >> > clocked Paris from a LynxOne and I have also daisy chained a LynxOne
>> > from
>> >> > a
>> >> > Paris system with no problems. Lynx and RME both make great stuff.
>> >> >
>> >> > Deej
>> >> >
>> >> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
> news:43ed36ce@linux...
>> >> >> Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
>> >> >> Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
>> >> >> opinions
>> >> >> or suggestions?
>> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> Edna
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64476 is a reply to message #64469] |
Sat, 11 February 2006 15:54 |
Bill Lorentzen
Messages: 140
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Deej,
Yeah, I'm hip to that (I bought 3 ADATs practically the week they came out).
My point was that it is no better than spdif unless you need to lock up
ADATs to Paris (something I never enjoyed doing!)
Best,
Bill
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43ee3f41@linux...
> Bill,
>
> ADAT sync carries it's own clock signal irregardless of whether is it
> timeline locked via the 9 pin serial cable. I have heard that the signal
> that is imbedded in the bitstream of the ADAT output (using a fibre optic
> cable sending 8 channels) of the EMU card may not be reliable.
> This was being discussed on the RME website a while back so consider the
> source I guess.
>
> Regards,
>
> Deej
>
> "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
> news:43ede2d8$1@linux...
>> Just one thing: unless you are actually synching ADAT tape transports I
>> don't think you need the 9 pin sync for the digital data - it is
> adequately
>> represented in the stream.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:43ed5d14$1@linux...
>> > I've heard great things about the EMU card as far as fidelity goes.
>> > I've
>> > also heard some bad things about it as far as the digital protocall
> goes.
>> > Seems it doesn't somehow adhere to the ADAT spec so if you're planning
> to
>> > interface it digitally with Paris via ADAT, there might be issues. It
>> > doesn't have an ADAT sync input so clocking it could be an issue unless
>> > you
>> > were clocking both the EMU card and Paris to an external clock. The
> MAudio
>> > ought to be pretty strack as far as being compatible with whatever spec
>> > you
>> > want to use. It's a bit more $$$, but I'm very pleased with the RME
> stuff
>> > and I have also used the LynxOne. If you don't need a whole lot of I/O
> and
>> > sample rates above 48k, the LynxOne is an excellent choice. I have
>> > actually
>> > clocked Paris from a LynxOne and I have also daisy chained a LynxOne
> from
>> > a
>> > Paris system with no problems. Lynx and RME both make great stuff.
>> >
>> > Deej
>> >
>> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
>> >> Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
>> >> Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
>> >> opinions
>> >> or suggestions?
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Edna
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64477 is a reply to message #64475] |
Sat, 11 February 2006 16:28 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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So what are the few other ways?
Been wanting to do the sync tighter than MTC but wondering what other
options could be explored (running Paris and Cubase SX3).
Jeff
Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> OK, I get what you are doing. First I should clarify: there are 2 kinds of
> sync here. There is wordclock, which locks the digital clocks for accurate
> transfer of audio, then there is play/stop sync, which moves the
> DAW/sequencer play line. The first one is carried by either a wordclock
> cable (best), or embedded in the spdif or ADAT lightpipe digital stream
> (OK). The second one can be from MIDI timecode via a MIDI cable (OK), or if
> you have it, a 9 pin ADAT sync cable (very accurate) (or a few other ways,
> but we won't worry about those now).
>
> If you are moving VSTi audio tracks from a sequencer into Paris, or just
> want them to play along with Paris, you should do fine with MIDI timecode
> for the sync and spdif for the audio (2 tracks at a time). I would recommend
> that approach - someone else who still uses Paris correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Bill
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ee5238@linux...
>
>>Thanks Bill
>>I would also like to be able to have the visti computer start playingwhen
>>I
>>start PARIS recording(or vice versa), since I am bringing the
>>instrumentation in piecemeal.
>>
>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
>>news:43ee3e77$1@linux...
>>
>>>What I meant is that the lightpipe cables would carry the sync and you
>>
>>would
>>
>>>not need the 9 pin. If you are going spdif then you should have no
>>>concern
>>>about the ADAT 9 pin whatsoever.
>>>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43edfe5f@linux...
>>>
>>>>Adequately represented in the stream? I plan to s/pdif from the
>>
>>sequencer
>>
>>>>computer to the PARIS computer. I have never done any digital
>>>>transfers
>>>>before, so am not sure what sync issues may arise. Are you saying the
>>>>digital data will provide its own sync?
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Edna
>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
>>>>news:43ede2d8$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Just one thing: unless you are actually synching ADAT tape transports
>>>>>I
>>>>>don't think you need the 9 pin sync for the digital data - it is
>>>>
>>>>adequately
>>>>
>>>>>represented in the stream.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43ed5d14$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I've heard great things about the EMU card as far as fidelity goes.
>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>also heard some bad things about it as far as the digital protocall
>>>>
>>>>goes.
>>>>
>>>>>>Seems it doesn't somehow adhere to the ADAT spec so if you're
>>
>>planning
>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>interface it digitally with Paris via ADAT, there might be issues.
>>>>>>It
>>>>>>doesn't have an ADAT sync input so clocking it could be an issue
>>
>>unless
>>
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>were clocking both the EMU card and Paris to an external clock. The
>>>>
>>>>MAudio
>>>>
>>>>>>ought to be pretty strack as far as being compatible with whatever
>>
>>spec
>>
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>want to use. It's a bit more $$$, but I'm very pleased with the RME
>>>>
>>>>stuff
>>>>
>>>>>>and I have also used the LynxOne. If you don't need a whole lot of
>>
>>I/O
>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>>sample rates above 48k, the LynxOne is an excellent choice. I have
>>>>>>actually
>>>>>>clocked Paris from a LynxOne and I have also daisy chained a LynxOne
>>>>
>>>>from
>>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>Paris system with no problems. Lynx and RME both make great stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
>>
>>news:43ed36ce@linux...
>>
>>>>>>>Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
>>>>>>>Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
>>>>>>>opinions
>>>>>>>or suggestions?
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64479 is a reply to message #64476] |
Sat, 11 February 2006 17:02 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Understood. This reminds me that I still have to do some ADAT transfers for
a project......ugh!
I'm not too crazy about this either.
;o)
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message news:43ee7a34@linux...
> Deej,
>
> Yeah, I'm hip to that (I bought 3 ADATs practically the week they came
out).
> My point was that it is no better than spdif unless you need to lock up
> ADATs to Paris (something I never enjoyed doing!)
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43ee3f41@linux...
> > Bill,
> >
> > ADAT sync carries it's own clock signal irregardless of whether is it
> > timeline locked via the 9 pin serial cable. I have heard that the signal
> > that is imbedded in the bitstream of the ADAT output (using a fibre
optic
> > cable sending 8 channels) of the EMU card may not be reliable.
> > This was being discussed on the RME website a while back so consider the
> > source I guess.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
> > news:43ede2d8$1@linux...
> >> Just one thing: unless you are actually synching ADAT tape transports I
> >> don't think you need the 9 pin sync for the digital data - it is
> > adequately
> >> represented in the stream.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:43ed5d14$1@linux...
> >> > I've heard great things about the EMU card as far as fidelity goes.
> >> > I've
> >> > also heard some bad things about it as far as the digital protocall
> > goes.
> >> > Seems it doesn't somehow adhere to the ADAT spec so if you're
planning
> > to
> >> > interface it digitally with Paris via ADAT, there might be issues. It
> >> > doesn't have an ADAT sync input so clocking it could be an issue
unless
> >> > you
> >> > were clocking both the EMU card and Paris to an external clock. The
> > MAudio
> >> > ought to be pretty strack as far as being compatible with whatever
spec
> >> > you
> >> > want to use. It's a bit more $$$, but I'm very pleased with the RME
> > stuff
> >> > and I have also used the LynxOne. If you don't need a whole lot of
I/O
> > and
> >> > sample rates above 48k, the LynxOne is an excellent choice. I have
> >> > actually
> >> > clocked Paris from a LynxOne and I have also daisy chained a LynxOne
> > from
> >> > a
> >> > Paris system with no problems. Lynx and RME both make great stuff.
> >> >
> >> > Deej
> >> >
> >> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
news:43ed36ce@linux...
> >> >> Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
> >> >> Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
> >> >> opinions
> >> >> or suggestions?
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Edna
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64488 is a reply to message #64477] |
Sun, 12 February 2006 07:13 |
Bill Lorentzen
Messages: 140
Registered: June 2005
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Hey Jeff, thiose other options I was referring to are for other types of
systems - not for a sequencer. Sorry! Your best bet for tight sync might be
ADAT sync, but you would need an ADAT card in a MEC and an ADAT compatible
sound card like the RME 9652.
Bill
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
news:43ee8238$1@linux...
> So what are the few other ways?
>
> Been wanting to do the sync tighter than MTC but wondering what other
> options could be explored (running Paris and Cubase SX3).
>
> Jeff
>
> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>> OK, I get what you are doing. First I should clarify: there are 2 kinds
>> of sync here. There is wordclock, which locks the digital clocks for
>> accurate transfer of audio, then there is play/stop sync, which moves the
>> DAW/sequencer play line. The first one is carried by either a wordclock
>> cable (best), or embedded in the spdif or ADAT lightpipe digital stream
>> (OK). The second one can be from MIDI timecode via a MIDI cable (OK), or
>> if you have it, a 9 pin ADAT sync cable (very accurate) (or a few other
>> ways, but we won't worry about those now).
>>
>> If you are moving VSTi audio tracks from a sequencer into Paris, or just
>> want them to play along with Paris, you should do fine with MIDI timecode
>> for the sync and spdif for the audio (2 tracks at a time). I would
>> recommend that approach - someone else who still uses Paris correct me if
>> I am wrong.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ee5238@linux...
>>
>>>Thanks Bill
>>>I would also like to be able to have the visti computer start playingwhen
>>>I
>>>start PARIS recording(or vice versa), since I am bringing the
>>>instrumentation in piecemeal.
>>>
>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
>>>news:43ee3e77$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>What I meant is that the lightpipe cables would carry the sync and you
>>>
>>>would
>>>
>>>>not need the 9 pin. If you are going spdif then you should have no
>>>>concern
>>>>about the ADAT 9 pin whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>>Bill
>>>>
>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43edfe5f@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Adequately represented in the stream? I plan to s/pdif from the
>>>
>>>sequencer
>>>
>>>>>computer to the PARIS computer. I have never done any digital
>>>>>transfers
>>>>>before, so am not sure what sync issues may arise. Are you saying the
>>>>>digital data will provide its own sync?
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43ede2d8$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Just one thing: unless you are actually synching ADAT tape transports
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>don't think you need the 9 pin sync for the digital data - it is
>>>>>
>>>>>adequately
>>>>>
>>>>>>represented in the stream.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:43ed5d14$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've heard great things about the EMU card as far as fidelity goes.
>>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>also heard some bad things about it as far as the digital protocall
>>>>>
>>>>>goes.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Seems it doesn't somehow adhere to the ADAT spec so if you're
>>>
>>>planning
>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>interface it digitally with Paris via ADAT, there might be issues. It
>>>>>>>doesn't have an ADAT sync input so clocking it could be an issue
>>>
>>>unless
>>>
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>were clocking both the EMU card and Paris to an external clock. The
>>>>>
>>>>>MAudio
>>>>>
>>>>>>>ought to be pretty strack as far as being compatible with whatever
>>>
>>>spec
>>>
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>want to use. It's a bit more $$$, but I'm very pleased with the RME
>>>>>
>>>>>stuff
>>>>>
>>>>>>>and I have also used the LynxOne. If you don't need a whole lot of
>>>
>>>I/O
>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>sample rates above 48k, the LynxOne is an excellent choice. I have
>>>>>>>actually
>>>>>>>clocked Paris from a LynxOne and I have also daisy chained a LynxOne
>>>>>
>>>>>from
>>>>>
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>Paris system with no problems. Lynx and RME both make great stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>news:43ed36ce@linux...
>>>
>>>>>>>>Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
>>>>>>>>Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
>>>>>>>>opinions
>>>>>>>>or suggestions?
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64572 is a reply to message #64516] |
Wed, 15 February 2006 17:10 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
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I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat sync, so
I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the 0404,
so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for the
features.
Thanks,
Edna
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:43f11708$1@linux...
> I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
> categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as a
bonus,
> has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
> Martin H
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
> > Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
> > Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
opinions
> > or suggestions?
> > Thanks,
> > Edna
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64601 is a reply to message #64572] |
Thu, 16 February 2006 14:02 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Hi Edna,
None of the EMU cards support ADAT Time code sync. They do have a poorly
implemented ADAT clock sync ability though. Don't confuse digital audio
clock with time code clock sync.
The Frontier Designs Dakota, RME HDSP9652 and Digi9652 are the only
cards that have built in ADAT Time sync. But none are cheap and none
have analog I/O only ADAT.
The best cheap sound card from the description of what you need would
seem to be the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It's 99.00 has rca
analog RCA and stereo SPDIF and Midi I/O.
If you are going into Paris's SPDIF connection then it really doesn't
matter how the built analog sound sense you will be listening to Paris's
converters.
You can use the Midi if you need to sync the time code between the 2
machines.
There are tighter time code syncs possible but then you have to spend
allot more money.
Chris
Edna wrote:
> I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat sync, so
> I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the 0404,
> so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for the
> features.
> Thanks,
> Edna
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:43f11708$1@linux...
>> I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
>> categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as a
> bonus,
>> has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
>> Martin H
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
>>> Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
>>> Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
> opinions
>>> or suggestions?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Edna
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64614 is a reply to message #64601] |
Thu, 16 February 2006 18:01 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hi Chris, thanks for the response. Yes, I was thinking I could use MIDI
sync for timelines. Have no idea of how "tight" it is or needs to be? I
understand that the 9-pin ADAT sync would be the tightest. A LynxOne card I
just missed went for $157 on Ebay. Something like this I could swing. I
may have uses other than just into PARIS, so I would like to have something
that sounds good as well. It seems a number of folks have had problems with
Dakota and PARIS, so I havent been looking at this one. If I had the $$,
RME Multiface would be it. For cheap, the Audiophile does seem to offer a
lot. Does the EMU 1212 have decent MIDI sync?
thanks,
Edna
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:43f4f824$1@linux...
> Hi Edna,
> None of the EMU cards support ADAT Time code sync. They do have a poorly
> implemented ADAT clock sync ability though. Don't confuse digital audio
> clock with time code clock sync.
> The Frontier Designs Dakota, RME HDSP9652 and Digi9652 are the only
> cards that have built in ADAT Time sync. But none are cheap and none
> have analog I/O only ADAT.
>
> The best cheap sound card from the description of what you need would
> seem to be the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It's 99.00 has rca
> analog RCA and stereo SPDIF and Midi I/O.
>
> If you are going into Paris's SPDIF connection then it really doesn't
> matter how the built analog sound sense you will be listening to Paris's
> converters.
> You can use the Midi if you need to sync the time code between the 2
> machines.
> There are tighter time code syncs possible but then you have to spend
> allot more money.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Edna wrote:
> > I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat sync,
so
> > I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the
0404,
> > so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for the
> > features.
> > Thanks,
> > Edna
> > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:43f11708$1@linux...
> >> I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
> >> categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as a
> > bonus,
> >> has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
> >> Martin H
> >>
> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
> >>> Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
> >>> Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
> > opinions
> >>> or suggestions?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Edna
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64617 is a reply to message #64614] |
Thu, 16 February 2006 18:58 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi Edna,
The Multiface dos not have the ADAT Sync option on it. Neither do any of
the Lynx cards. So in that respect they would be now better than the
audiophile. The midi time code sync on any of the cards are fine. I
didn't see what audio app you will be using to do this along with Paris.
The timing issues will be caused by these apps more than the hardware.
Cubase 3 and Sonar 5 both seem to having pretty tight timing from what
I've experienced. Cubase 1/2 and the earlier Sonar version all have had
their of troubles but could usually be tweaked to work well.
Personally I would see if you can find a used HDSP9652 or
Digiface/HDSPPCI card on ebay. Well worth the money for when you will
eventually shit can Paris for something different. :)
Chris
Edna wrote:
> Hi Chris, thanks for the response. Yes, I was thinking I could use MIDI
> sync for timelines. Have no idea of how "tight" it is or needs to be? I
> understand that the 9-pin ADAT sync would be the tightest. A LynxOne card I
> just missed went for $157 on Ebay. Something like this I could swing. I
> may have uses other than just into PARIS, so I would like to have something
> that sounds good as well. It seems a number of folks have had problems with
> Dakota and PARIS, so I havent been looking at this one. If I had the $$,
> RME Multiface would be it. For cheap, the Audiophile does seem to offer a
> lot. Does the EMU 1212 have decent MIDI sync?
> thanks,
> Edna
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:43f4f824$1@linux...
>
>>Hi Edna,
>>None of the EMU cards support ADAT Time code sync. They do have a poorly
>>implemented ADAT clock sync ability though. Don't confuse digital audio
>>clock with time code clock sync.
>>The Frontier Designs Dakota, RME HDSP9652 and Digi9652 are the only
>>cards that have built in ADAT Time sync. But none are cheap and none
>>have analog I/O only ADAT.
>>
>>The best cheap sound card from the description of what you need would
>>seem to be the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It's 99.00 has rca
>>analog RCA and stereo SPDIF and Midi I/O.
>>
>>If you are going into Paris's SPDIF connection then it really doesn't
>>matter how the built analog sound sense you will be listening to Paris's
>>converters.
>>You can use the Midi if you need to sync the time code between the 2
>>machines.
>>There are tighter time code syncs possible but then you have to spend
>>allot more money.
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>Edna wrote:
>>
>>>I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat sync,
>
> so
>
>>>I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the
>
> 0404,
>
>>>so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for the
>>>features.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Edna
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>>>news:43f11708$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
>>>>categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as a
>>>
>>>bonus,
>>>
>>>>has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
>>>>Martin H
>>>>
>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
>>>>>Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
>>>
>>>opinions
>>>
>>>>>or suggestions?
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>
>>ADK Pro Audio
>>(859) 635-5762
>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64620 is a reply to message #64617] |
Thu, 16 February 2006 19:45 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I see. I'm still looking at audio apps, considering Cubase SX3 or
Samplitude at present. I've heard quite a few folks comment on how good Sam
sounds. Also, as far as the soundcard is concerned, I was also looking for
an inexpensive way to get 24-bit A/D into PARIS when desired, w/o having to
spring for the 8-in PARIS card. Thanks again for the help.
Edna
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:43f53d24$1@linux...
> Hi Edna,
> The Multiface dos not have the ADAT Sync option on it. Neither do any of
> the Lynx cards. So in that respect they would be now better than the
> audiophile. The midi time code sync on any of the cards are fine. I
> didn't see what audio app you will be using to do this along with Paris.
> The timing issues will be caused by these apps more than the hardware.
> Cubase 3 and Sonar 5 both seem to having pretty tight timing from what
> I've experienced. Cubase 1/2 and the earlier Sonar version all have had
> their of troubles but could usually be tweaked to work well.
>
> Personally I would see if you can find a used HDSP9652 or
> Digiface/HDSPPCI card on ebay. Well worth the money for when you will
> eventually shit can Paris for something different. :)
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Edna wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris, thanks for the response. Yes, I was thinking I could use MIDI
> > sync for timelines. Have no idea of how "tight" it is or needs to be?
I
> > understand that the 9-pin ADAT sync would be the tightest. A LynxOne
card I
> > just missed went for $157 on Ebay. Something like this I could swing.
I
> > may have uses other than just into PARIS, so I would like to have
something
> > that sounds good as well. It seems a number of folks have had problems
with
> > Dakota and PARIS, so I havent been looking at this one. If I had the
$$,
> > RME Multiface would be it. For cheap, the Audiophile does seem to offer
a
> > lot. Does the EMU 1212 have decent MIDI sync?
> > thanks,
> > Edna
> >
> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> > news:43f4f824$1@linux...
> >
> >>Hi Edna,
> >>None of the EMU cards support ADAT Time code sync. They do have a poorly
> >>implemented ADAT clock sync ability though. Don't confuse digital audio
> >>clock with time code clock sync.
> >>The Frontier Designs Dakota, RME HDSP9652 and Digi9652 are the only
> >>cards that have built in ADAT Time sync. But none are cheap and none
> >>have analog I/O only ADAT.
> >>
> >>The best cheap sound card from the description of what you need would
> >>seem to be the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It's 99.00 has rca
> >>analog RCA and stereo SPDIF and Midi I/O.
> >>
> >>If you are going into Paris's SPDIF connection then it really doesn't
> >>matter how the built analog sound sense you will be listening to Paris's
> >>converters.
> >>You can use the Midi if you need to sync the time code between the 2
> >>machines.
> >>There are tighter time code syncs possible but then you have to spend
> >>allot more money.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>Edna wrote:
> >>
> >>>I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat
sync,
> >
> > so
> >
> >>>I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the
> >
> > 0404,
> >
> >>>so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for the
> >>>features.
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Edna
> >>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> >>>news:43f11708$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
> >>>>categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as a
> >>>
> >>>bonus,
> >>>
> >>>>has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
> >>>>Martin H
> >>>>
> >>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
> >>>>>Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
> >>>
> >>>opinions
> >>>
> >>>>>or suggestions?
> >>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>Edna
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Chris Ludwig
> >>
> >>ADK Pro Audio
> >>(859) 635-5762
> >>www.adkproaudio.com
> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64652 is a reply to message #64620] |
Fri, 17 February 2006 18:01 |
lamont[1]
Messages: 7
Registered: February 2006
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Junior Member |
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Hi Edna.
Check ou the RME DIgiface. great unit,has ADat & midi time sync. Plus you
can monitor thru the stereo headphone jack.
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/digifa.htm
.. You can
This is what you wanthttp://www.rme- /hdsp/hdsp9632.
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>I see. I'm still looking at audio apps, considering Cubase SX3 or
>Samplitude at present. I've heard quite a few folks comment on how good
Sam
>sounds. Also, as far as the soundcard is concerned, I was also looking
for
>an inexpensive way to get 24-bit A/D into PARIS when desired, w/o having
to
>spring for the 8-in PARIS card. Thanks again for the help.
>Edna
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:43f53d24$1@linux...
>> Hi Edna,
>> The Multiface dos not have the ADAT Sync option on it. Neither do any
of
>> the Lynx cards. So in that respect they would be now better than the
>> audiophile. The midi time code sync on any of the cards are fine. I
>> didn't see what audio app you will be using to do this along with Paris.
>> The timing issues will be caused by these apps more than the hardware.
>> Cubase 3 and Sonar 5 both seem to having pretty tight timing from what
>> I've experienced. Cubase 1/2 and the earlier Sonar version all have had
>> their of troubles but could usually be tweaked to work well.
>>
>> Personally I would see if you can find a used HDSP9652 or
>> Digiface/HDSPPCI card on ebay. Well worth the money for when you will
>> eventually shit can Paris for something different. :)
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Edna wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Chris, thanks for the response. Yes, I was thinking I could use
MIDI
>> > sync for timelines. Have no idea of how "tight" it is or needs to be?
>I
>> > understand that the 9-pin ADAT sync would be the tightest. A LynxOne
>card I
>> > just missed went for $157 on Ebay. Something like this I could swing.
>I
>> > may have uses other than just into PARIS, so I would like to have
>something
>> > that sounds good as well. It seems a number of folks have had problems
>with
>> > Dakota and PARIS, so I havent been looking at this one. If I had the
>$$,
>> > RME Multiface would be it. For cheap, the Audiophile does seem to offer
>a
>> > lot. Does the EMU 1212 have decent MIDI sync?
>> > thanks,
>> > Edna
>> >
>> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> > news:43f4f824$1@linux...
>> >
>> >>Hi Edna,
>> >>None of the EMU cards support ADAT Time code sync. They do have a poorly
>> >>implemented ADAT clock sync ability though. Don't confuse digital audio
>> >>clock with time code clock sync.
>> >>The Frontier Designs Dakota, RME HDSP9652 and Digi9652 are the only
>> >>cards that have built in ADAT Time sync. But none are cheap and none
>> >>have analog I/O only ADAT.
>> >>
>> >>The best cheap sound card from the description of what you need would
>> >>seem to be the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It's 99.00 has rca
>> >>analog RCA and stereo SPDIF and Midi I/O.
>> >>
>> >>If you are going into Paris's SPDIF connection then it really doesn't
>> >>matter how the built analog sound sense you will be listening to Paris's
>> >>converters.
>> >>You can use the Midi if you need to sync the time code between the 2
>> >>machines.
>> >>There are tighter time code syncs possible but then you have to spend
>> >>allot more money.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Edna wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat
>sync,
>> >
>> > so
>> >
>> >>>I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the
>> >
>> > 0404,
>> >
>> >>>so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for the
>> >>>features.
>> >>>Thanks,
>> >>>Edna
>> >>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>> >>>news:43f11708$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>>>I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
>> >>>>categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as
a
>> >>>
>> >>>bonus,
>> >>>
>> >>>>has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
>> >>>>Martin H
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
>> >>>>>Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
>> >>>
>> >>>opinions
>> >>>
>> >>>>>or suggestions?
>> >>>>>Thanks,
>> >>>>>Edna
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>--
>> >>Chris Ludwig
>> >>
>> >>ADK Pro Audio
>> >>(859) 635-5762
>> >>www.adkproaudio.com
>> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64655 is a reply to message #64652] |
Fri, 17 February 2006 18:19 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Thanks LaMont, I'll check it out. . .
"LaMont" <jjdpro@amertitech.net> wrote in message news:43f67207$1@linux...
>
> Hi Edna.
> Check ou the RME DIgiface. great unit,has ADat & midi time sync. Plus you
> can monitor thru the stereo headphone jack.
> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/digifa.htm
>
>
> . You can
> This is what you wanthttp://www.rme- /hdsp/hdsp9632.
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >I see. I'm still looking at audio apps, considering Cubase SX3 or
> >Samplitude at present. I've heard quite a few folks comment on how good
> Sam
> >sounds. Also, as far as the soundcard is concerned, I was also looking
> for
> >an inexpensive way to get 24-bit A/D into PARIS when desired, w/o having
> to
> >spring for the 8-in PARIS card. Thanks again for the help.
> >Edna
> >
> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:43f53d24$1@linux...
> >> Hi Edna,
> >> The Multiface dos not have the ADAT Sync option on it. Neither do any
> of
> >> the Lynx cards. So in that respect they would be now better than the
> >> audiophile. The midi time code sync on any of the cards are fine. I
> >> didn't see what audio app you will be using to do this along with
Paris.
> >> The timing issues will be caused by these apps more than the
hardware.
> >> Cubase 3 and Sonar 5 both seem to having pretty tight timing from what
> >> I've experienced. Cubase 1/2 and the earlier Sonar version all have had
> >> their of troubles but could usually be tweaked to work well.
> >>
> >> Personally I would see if you can find a used HDSP9652 or
> >> Digiface/HDSPPCI card on ebay. Well worth the money for when you will
> >> eventually shit can Paris for something different. :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Edna wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Chris, thanks for the response. Yes, I was thinking I could use
> MIDI
> >> > sync for timelines. Have no idea of how "tight" it is or needs to
be?
> >I
> >> > understand that the 9-pin ADAT sync would be the tightest. A LynxOne
> >card I
> >> > just missed went for $157 on Ebay. Something like this I could
swing.
> >I
> >> > may have uses other than just into PARIS, so I would like to have
> >something
> >> > that sounds good as well. It seems a number of folks have had
problems
> >with
> >> > Dakota and PARIS, so I havent been looking at this one. If I had the
> >$$,
> >> > RME Multiface would be it. For cheap, the Audiophile does seem to
offer
> >a
> >> > lot. Does the EMU 1212 have decent MIDI sync?
> >> > thanks,
> >> > Edna
> >> >
> >> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:43f4f824$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> >>Hi Edna,
> >> >>None of the EMU cards support ADAT Time code sync. They do have a
poorly
> >> >>implemented ADAT clock sync ability though. Don't confuse digital
audio
> >> >>clock with time code clock sync.
> >> >>The Frontier Designs Dakota, RME HDSP9652 and Digi9652 are the only
> >> >>cards that have built in ADAT Time sync. But none are cheap and none
> >> >>have analog I/O only ADAT.
> >> >>
> >> >>The best cheap sound card from the description of what you need would
> >> >>seem to be the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It's 99.00 has rca
> >> >>analog RCA and stereo SPDIF and Midi I/O.
> >> >>
> >> >>If you are going into Paris's SPDIF connection then it really doesn't
> >> >>matter how the built analog sound sense you will be listening to
Paris's
> >> >>converters.
> >> >>You can use the Midi if you need to sync the time code between the 2
> >> >>machines.
> >> >>There are tighter time code syncs possible but then you have to spend
> >> >>allot more money.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Chris
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Edna wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat
> >sync,
> >> >
> >> > so
> >> >
> >> >>>I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the
> >> >
> >> > 0404,
> >> >
> >> >>>so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for
the
> >> >>>features.
> >> >>>Thanks,
> >> >>>Edna
> >> >>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:43f11708$1@linux...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
> >> >>>>categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as
> a
> >> >>>
> >> >>>bonus,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
> >> >>>>Martin H
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
news:43ed36ce@linux...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
> >> >>>>>Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
> >> >>>
> >> >>>opinions
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>or suggestions?
> >> >>>>>Thanks,
> >> >>>>>Edna
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>--
> >> >>Chris Ludwig
> >> >>
> >> >>ADK Pro Audio
> >> >>(859) 635-5762
> >> >>www.adkproaudio.com
> >> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Ludwig
> >> ADK
> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >> (859) 635-5762
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64658 is a reply to message #64617] |
Fri, 17 February 2006 19:57 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Chris,
My HDSP Multiface has a a 9 pin ADAT sync input. It's the new Multiface II
units that don't have the ADAT sync.
Regards,
Deej
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:43f53d24$1@linux...
> Hi Edna,
> The Multiface dos not have the ADAT Sync option on it. Neither do any of
> the Lynx cards. So in that respect they would be now better than the
> audiophile. The midi time code sync on any of the cards are fine. I
> didn't see what audio app you will be using to do this along with Paris.
> The timing issues will be caused by these apps more than the hardware.
> Cubase 3 and Sonar 5 both seem to having pretty tight timing from what
> I've experienced. Cubase 1/2 and the earlier Sonar version all have had
> their of troubles but could usually be tweaked to work well.
>
> Personally I would see if you can find a used HDSP9652 or
> Digiface/HDSPPCI card on ebay. Well worth the money for when you will
> eventually shit can Paris for something different. :)
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Edna wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris, thanks for the response. Yes, I was thinking I could use MIDI
> > sync for timelines. Have no idea of how "tight" it is or needs to be?
I
> > understand that the 9-pin ADAT sync would be the tightest. A LynxOne
card I
> > just missed went for $157 on Ebay. Something like this I could swing.
I
> > may have uses other than just into PARIS, so I would like to have
something
> > that sounds good as well. It seems a number of folks have had problems
with
> > Dakota and PARIS, so I havent been looking at this one. If I had the
$$,
> > RME Multiface would be it. For cheap, the Audiophile does seem to offer
a
> > lot. Does the EMU 1212 have decent MIDI sync?
> > thanks,
> > Edna
> >
> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> > news:43f4f824$1@linux...
> >
> >>Hi Edna,
> >>None of the EMU cards support ADAT Time code sync. They do have a poorly
> >>implemented ADAT clock sync ability though. Don't confuse digital audio
> >>clock with time code clock sync.
> >>The Frontier Designs Dakota, RME HDSP9652 and Digi9652 are the only
> >>cards that have built in ADAT Time sync. But none are cheap and none
> >>have analog I/O only ADAT.
> >>
> >>The best cheap sound card from the description of what you need would
> >>seem to be the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It's 99.00 has rca
> >>analog RCA and stereo SPDIF and Midi I/O.
> >>
> >>If you are going into Paris's SPDIF connection then it really doesn't
> >>matter how the built analog sound sense you will be listening to Paris's
> >>converters.
> >>You can use the Midi if you need to sync the time code between the 2
> >>machines.
> >>There are tighter time code syncs possible but then you have to spend
> >>allot more money.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>Edna wrote:
> >>
> >>>I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat
sync,
> >
> > so
> >
> >>>I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the
> >
> > 0404,
> >
> >>>so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for the
> >>>features.
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Edna
> >>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> >>>news:43f11708$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
> >>>>categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as a
> >>>
> >>>bonus,
> >>>
> >>>>has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
> >>>>Martin H
> >>>>
> >>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
> >>>>>Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
> >>>
> >>>opinions
> >>>
> >>>>>or suggestions?
> >>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>Edna
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Chris Ludwig
> >>
> >>ADK Pro Audio
> >>(859) 635-5762
> >>www.adkproaudio.com
> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: Inexpensive sound card [message #64667 is a reply to message #64658] |
Sat, 18 February 2006 22:40 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
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HI DJ,
Yep you are correct sir!
Hopefully she'll find one used.
Chris
DJ wrote:
> Chris,
>
> My HDSP Multiface has a a 9 pin ADAT sync input. It's the new Multiface II
> units that don't have the ADAT sync.
>
> Regards,
>
> Deej
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:43f53d24$1@linux...
>
>>Hi Edna,
>>The Multiface dos not have the ADAT Sync option on it. Neither do any of
>>the Lynx cards. So in that respect they would be now better than the
>>audiophile. The midi time code sync on any of the cards are fine. I
>>didn't see what audio app you will be using to do this along with Paris.
>> The timing issues will be caused by these apps more than the hardware.
>>Cubase 3 and Sonar 5 both seem to having pretty tight timing from what
>>I've experienced. Cubase 1/2 and the earlier Sonar version all have had
>>their of troubles but could usually be tweaked to work well.
>>
>>Personally I would see if you can find a used HDSP9652 or
>>Digiface/HDSPPCI card on ebay. Well worth the money for when you will
>>eventually shit can Paris for something different. :)
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>Edna wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Chris, thanks for the response. Yes, I was thinking I could use MIDI
>>>sync for timelines. Have no idea of how "tight" it is or needs to be?
>
> I
>
>>>understand that the 9-pin ADAT sync would be the tightest. A LynxOne
>
> card I
>
>>>just missed went for $157 on Ebay. Something like this I could swing.
>
> I
>
>>>may have uses other than just into PARIS, so I would like to have
>
> something
>
>>>that sounds good as well. It seems a number of folks have had problems
>
> with
>
>>>Dakota and PARIS, so I havent been looking at this one. If I had the
>
> $$,
>
>>>RME Multiface would be it. For cheap, the Audiophile does seem to offer
>
> a
>
>>>lot. Does the EMU 1212 have decent MIDI sync?
>>>thanks,
>>>Edna
>>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43f4f824$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Edna,
>>>>None of the EMU cards support ADAT Time code sync. They do have a poorly
>>>>implemented ADAT clock sync ability though. Don't confuse digital audio
>>>>clock with time code clock sync.
>>>>The Frontier Designs Dakota, RME HDSP9652 and Digi9652 are the only
>>>>cards that have built in ADAT Time sync. But none are cheap and none
>>>>have analog I/O only ADAT.
>>>>
>>>>The best cheap sound card from the description of what you need would
>>>>seem to be the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It's 99.00 has rca
>>>>analog RCA and stereo SPDIF and Midi I/O.
>>>>
>>>>If you are going into Paris's SPDIF connection then it really doesn't
>>>>matter how the built analog sound sense you will be listening to Paris's
>>>>converters.
>>>>You can use the Midi if you need to sync the time code between the 2
>>>>machines.
>>>>There are tighter time code syncs possible but then you have to spend
>>>>allot more money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Edna wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I checked with Creative and they said the 0404 doesnt support adat
>
> sync,
>
>>>so
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I may look for the 1212. It does have different converters than the
>>>
>>>0404,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>so probably wont sound the same. It seems to be a good price for the
>>>>>features.
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43f11708$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I've got both the EMU 0404 and the M-Audio Delta 1010, and I can
>>>>>>categorically say that the EMU is a rounder, warmer sound, plus, as a
>>>>>
>>>>>bonus,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>has onboard effects, should you want to use them.
>>>>>>Martin H
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43ed36ce@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Looking to pickup a soundcard for another computer/sequencer rig.
>>>>>>>Considering EMU 0404 or 1212, versus M-Audio Audiophile 192. Any
>>>>>
>>>>>opinions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>or suggestions?
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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