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| Cubase, yuk! [message #97182] |
Fri, 21 March 2008 05:51  |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Hey guys (and gals)... I have setup my new firewire studio and I been tracking
in Cubase LE that came with the program. Although the sonics seems ok and
maybe it's just because I am new to Cubase... but is there something better
out there for tracking that resembles Paris? I have dual monitors and there
is no way to make use of this in Cubase... It creates a new version of the
track each time.. but unlike Paris, if I delete, I mean delete... don't
make me close the program so I have to clean up all those monster files...
hopefully someone understands what I mean here... And the plugins that
came with Cubase are... ummm... can you spell TERRIBLE! I tried to adjust
the ones that I played with and I must say... WHAT were they thinking! They
need lessons with plugins from Paris. An example is the chorus... I apply
that to a track and sheesh... why waste my time. I max'd the thing out...
not much of a difference. Is there plugins that go from mono to stereo,
like in Paris.. or is that just a Paris plugin thingy?
I like the fact that Cubase LE is free with my device... but I am hopeful
that there is something else out there that operates similar to Paris...
Anyone?
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| Re: Cubase, yuk! [message #97191 is a reply to message #97185] |
Fri, 21 March 2008 07:27  |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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If LE came with an audio interface, it's likely 1, 2 or possibly v3. v1 is
far outdated now. v2 isn't bad, but since Cubase is on v4, it might be
worth upgrading.
1 - you can use multiple monitors easily - we do it all the time. You have
to manually resize the main project window to stretch across both monitors
(not maximize - that uses the main monitor only, as do almost all Windows
apps, unfortunately). Then resize the individual arrange, mixer, etc
windows as you wish within that layout. Save your workspaces (you can have
up to 9 on key commands) assign them to key commands, and work away.
2 - You can easily remove unused tracks from the pool window. Unlike Paris,
you can't hang yourself with file references - you can delete, bounce, etc,
without worrying about losing the perfect take (if you try to erase a file
from the pool, Cubase will tell you if there is a reference to it in the
arrange window - if not, it's gone, if there is, you can choose).
3 - Cubase and Nuendo 4's VST3 plugins really are pretty decent. I use
mostly 3rd party plugins, as I would with any DAW, but the new EQ is just as
good as Paris' with imho, wasn't anything special - just a digital EQ.
Chorus? The new v4 chorus is better, but I prefer UAD-1's DM-1 or other
options there. Paris was a mono app, so all of it's plugins had to convert
mono to stereo (working with stereo tracks was a major pain). With Cubase,
just create a stereo FX channel or group, put your chorus there, and route
the mono track to it - simple - mono to stereo. You can then also use it
for other tracks if you want.
4 - I don't miss Paris. Nuendo (and Cubase, esp. v4) is far faster and 100x
more flexible for pretty much everything. Give the manual a read and dive
in a bit before passing judgement. Paris was cool for the time, but it was
surpassed in many areas years ago (jails was cool, but other than that,
there isn't anything I would want from it now).
Regards,
Dedric
On 3/21/08 7:12 AM, in article 47e3a616$1@linux, "Ed" <askme@email.com>
wrote:
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> Ummm.. not sure. Whatever the latest Cubase LE is... cause it came with a
> device that is brand new. I am positive it isn't an older copy. But
> really...
> I don't think that matters too much. I would like to find a tracking program
> for my firewire device that is closer to Paris. Is there anything out there
> like that? Or, what are some others using that they like besides Cubase?
>
> Oh! and since I don't know what version of Cubase LE I have (I don't have
> the disc here or the program), I did try the demo of Cubase 4 before this...
> and they looked identical... if that helps...
>
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> What version of LE is it?
>>
>> Ed wrote:
>>> Hey guys (and gals)... I have setup my new firewire studio and I been
> tracking
>>> in Cubase LE that came with the program. Although the sonics seems ok
> and
>>> maybe it's just because I am new to Cubase... but is there something better
>>> out there for tracking that resembles Paris? I have dual monitors and
> there
>>> is no way to make use of this in Cubase... It creates a new version of
> the
>>> track each time.. but unlike Paris, if I delete, I mean delete... don't
>>> make me close the program so I have to clean up all those monster files...
>>> hopefully someone understands what I mean here... And the plugins that
>>> came with Cubase are... ummm... can you spell TERRIBLE! I tried to adjust
>>> the ones that I played with and I must say... WHAT were they thinking!
> They
>>> need lessons with plugins from Paris. An example is the chorus... I
> apply
>>> that to a track and sheesh... why waste my time. I max'd the thing out...
>>> not much of a difference. Is there plugins that go from mono to stereo,
>>> like in Paris.. or is that just a Paris plugin thingy?
>>>
>>> I like the fact that Cubase LE is free with my device... but I am hopeful
>>> that there is something else out there that operates similar to Paris...
>>> Anyone?
>>>
>
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| Re: Cubase, yuk! [message #97195 is a reply to message #97191] |
Fri, 21 March 2008 08:58 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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And, Ed... with regard to your not liking the plugins that come
with Cubase, go to the KVR website:
http://www.kvraudio.com/
....and search their database for free VST plugins of whatever
variety you need (dynamics, eq, etc, etc), and you will find
bazillions of 'em.
Voxengo also has a few free ones, so does Silverspike (Room
Machine 844 is a good free one from them), and Kjaerhus has a
complete suite (their "Classic" series) which are free, as well.
Here's another big batch of free ones, most of which are pretty
basic, but again, it's some more variety, at least:
http://www.gvst.co.uk/effects.htm
Those'll get you started on some other decent plugins that you
won't have to invest anything in... I have plenty of ones I've
paid for, but I also use a few of the freebie ones out there,
too.
Neil
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>If LE came with an audio interface, it's likely 1, 2 or possibly v3. v1
is
>far outdated now. v2 isn't bad, but since Cubase is on v4, it might be
>worth upgrading.
>
>1 - you can use multiple monitors easily - we do it all the time. You have
>to manually resize the main project window to stretch across both monitors
>(not maximize - that uses the main monitor only, as do almost all Windows
>apps, unfortunately). Then resize the individual arrange, mixer, etc
>windows as you wish within that layout. Save your workspaces (you can have
>up to 9 on key commands) assign them to key commands, and work away.
>
>2 - You can easily remove unused tracks from the pool window. Unlike Paris,
>you can't hang yourself with file references - you can delete, bounce, etc,
>without worrying about losing the perfect take (if you try to erase a file
>from the pool, Cubase will tell you if there is a reference to it in the
>arrange window - if not, it's gone, if there is, you can choose).
>
>3 - Cubase and Nuendo 4's VST3 plugins really are pretty decent. I use
>mostly 3rd party plugins, as I would with any DAW, but the new EQ is just
as
>good as Paris' with imho, wasn't anything special - just a digital EQ.
>Chorus? The new v4 chorus is better, but I prefer UAD-1's DM-1 or other
>options there. Paris was a mono app, so all of it's plugins had to convert
>mono to stereo (working with stereo tracks was a major pain). With Cubase,
>just create a stereo FX channel or group, put your chorus there, and route
>the mono track to it - simple - mono to stereo. You can then also use it
>for other tracks if you want.
>
>4 - I don't miss Paris. Nuendo (and Cubase, esp. v4) is far faster and
100x
>more flexible for pretty much everything. Give the manual a read and dive
>in a bit before passing judgement. Paris was cool for the time, but it
was
>surpassed in many areas years ago (jails was cool, but other than that,
>there isn't anything I would want from it now).
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 3/21/08 7:12 AM, in article 47e3a616$1@linux, "Ed" <askme@email.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Ummm.. not sure. Whatever the latest Cubase LE is... cause it came with
a
>> device that is brand new. I am positive it isn't an older copy. But
>> really...
>> I don't think that matters too much. I would like to find a tracking
program
>> for my firewire device that is closer to Paris. Is there anything out
there
>> like that? Or, what are some others using that they like besides Cubase?
>>
>> Oh! and since I don't know what version of Cubase LE I have (I don't
have
>> the disc here or the program), I did try the demo of Cubase 4 before this...
>> and they looked identical... if that helps...
>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> What version of LE is it?
>>>
>>> Ed wrote:
>>>> Hey guys (and gals)... I have setup my new firewire studio and I been
>> tracking
>>>> in Cubase LE that came with the program. Although the sonics seems
ok
>> and
>>>> maybe it's just because I am new to Cubase... but is there something
better
>>>> out there for tracking that resembles Paris? I have dual monitors and
>> there
>>>> is no way to make use of this in Cubase... It creates a new version
of
>> the
>>>> track each time.. but unlike Paris, if I delete, I mean delete... don't
>>>> make me close the program so I have to clean up all those monster files...
>>>> hopefully someone understands what I mean here... And the plugins
that
>>>> came with Cubase are... ummm... can you spell TERRIBLE! I tried to
adjust
>>>> the ones that I played with and I must say... WHAT were they thinking!
>> They
>>>> need lessons with plugins from Paris. An example is the chorus...
I
>> apply
>>>> that to a track and sheesh... why waste my time. I max'd the thing
out...
>>>> not much of a difference. Is there plugins that go from mono to stereo,
>>>> like in Paris.. or is that just a Paris plugin thingy?
>>>>
>>>> I like the fact that Cubase LE is free with my device... but I am hopeful
>>>> that there is something else out there that operates similar to Paris...
>>>> Anyone?
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubase, yuk! [message #97352 is a reply to message #97195] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 16:05 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Thanks Neil and Dedric for you responses and advice...
Maybe I'll give the Cubase another look... but not this LE version...
Thanks again...
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And, Ed... with regard to your not liking the plugins that come
>with Cubase, go to the KVR website:
>
>http://www.kvraudio.com/
>
>...and search their database for free VST plugins of whatever
>variety you need (dynamics, eq, etc, etc), and you will find
>bazillions of 'em.
>
>Voxengo also has a few free ones, so does Silverspike (Room
>complete suite (their "Classic" series) which are free, as well.
>Here's another big batch of free ones, most of which are pretty
>basic, but again, it's some more variety, at least:
>
>http://www.gvst.co.uk/effects.htm
>
>Those'll get you started on some other decent plugins that you
>won't have to invest anything in... I have plenty of ones I've
>paid for, but I also use a few of the freebie ones out there,
>too.
>
>Neil
>
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>If LE came with an audio interface, it's likely 1, 2 or possibly v3. v1
>is
>>far outdated now. v2 isn't bad, but since Cubase is on v4, it might be
>>worth upgrading.
>>
>>1 - you can use multiple monitors easily - we do it all the time. You
have
>>to manually resize the main project window to stretch across both monitors
>>(not maximize - that uses the main monitor only, as do almost all Windows
>>apps, unfortunately). Then resize the individual arrange, mixer, etc
>>windows as you wish within that layout. Save your workspaces (you can
have
>>up to 9 on key commands) assign them to key commands, and work away.
>>
>>2 - You can easily remove unused tracks from the pool window. Unlike Paris,
>>you can't hang yourself with file references - you can delete, bounce,
etc,
>>without worrying about losing the perfect take (if you try to erase a file
>>from the pool, Cubase will tell you if there is a reference to it in the
>>arrange window - if not, it's gone, if there is, you can choose).
>>
>>3 - Cubase and Nuendo 4's VST3 plugins really are pretty decent. I use
>>mostly 3rd party plugins, as I would with any DAW, but the new EQ is just
>as
>>good as Paris' with imho, wasn't anything special - just a digital EQ.
>>Chorus? The new v4 chorus is better, but I prefer UAD-1's DM-1 or other
>>options there. Paris was a mono app, so all of it's plugins had to convert
>>mono to stereo (working with stereo tracks was a major pain). With Cubase,
>>just create a stereo FX channel or group, put your chorus there, and route
>>the mono track to it - simple - mono to stereo. You can then also use
it
>>for other tracks if you want.
>>
>>4 - I don't miss Paris. Nuendo (and Cubase, esp. v4) is far faster and
>100x
>>more flexible for pretty much everything. Give the manual a read and dive
>>in a bit before passing judgement. Paris was cool for the time, but it
>was
>>surpassed in many areas years ago (jails was cool, but other than that,
>>there isn't anything I would want from it now).
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 3/21/08 7:12 AM, in article 47e3a616$1@linux, "Ed" <askme@email.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ummm.. not sure. Whatever the latest Cubase LE is... cause it came with
>a
>>> device that is brand new. I am positive it isn't an older copy. But
>>> really...
>>> I don't think that matters too much. I would like to find a tracking
>program
>>> for my firewire device that is closer to Paris. Is there anything out
>there
>>> like that? Or, what are some others using that they like besides Cubase?
>>>
>>> Oh! and since I don't know what version of Cubase LE I have (I don't
>have
>>> the disc here or the program), I did try the demo of Cubase 4 before
this...
>>> and they looked identical... if that helps...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> What version of LE is it?
>>>>
>>>> Ed wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys (and gals)... I have setup my new firewire studio and I been
>>> tracking
>>>>> in Cubase LE that came with the program. Although the sonics seems
>ok
>>> and
>>>>> maybe it's just because I am new to Cubase... but is there something
>better
>>>>> out there for tracking that resembles Paris? I have dual monitors
and
>>> there
>>>>> is no way to make use of this in Cubase... It creates a new version
>of
>>> the
>>>>> track each time.. but unlike Paris, if I delete, I mean delete...
don't
>>>>> make me close the program so I have to clean up all those monster files...
>>>>> hopefully someone understands what I mean here... And the plugins
>that
>>>>> came with Cubase are... ummm... can you spell TERRIBLE! I tried to
>adjust
>>>>> the ones that I played with and I must say... WHAT were they thinking!
>>> They
>>>>> need lessons with plugins from Paris. An example is the chorus...
>I
>>> apply
>>>>> that to a track and sheesh... why waste my time. I max'd the thing
>out...
>>>>> not much of a difference. Is there plugins that go from mono to stereo,
>>>>> like in Paris.. or is that just a Paris plugin thingy?
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the fact that Cubase LE is free with my device... but I am hopeful
>>>>> that there is something else out there that operates similar to Paris...
>>>>> Anyone?
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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