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| Wow [message #70868] |
Fri, 04 August 2006 12:10  |
TCB
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I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with DFI and
ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the hopped
up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
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| Re: Wow [message #70878 is a reply to message #70874] |
Sat, 05 August 2006 08:05  |
Dedric Terry
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Chris - is there a dual dual core option for either Intel chip yet?
I had a hard time distinguishing the X2 color bar from the Conroe 2.66, but
(correct me if I'm wrong) - it looked like it beat everything on the Thonex
2 test, even the dual DC Opteron (except 1024 samples latency).
I have to admit, as much as I've been happy with AMD, this is great news.
Compatibility has been fine with my carefully selected AMD systems, but
there aren't enough options there atm. If my Asus A8V dies, I'll probably
have to move the UAD-1 system to an Intel dual core.
Forgive my lack of research, but what is the main difference between conroe
and woodcrest, other than the server vs. desktop generalization? Audio
advantages either way? e.g. price vs. performance?
Regards,
Dedric
On 8/5/06 2:31 AM, in article 44d45615$1@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
<chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> HI Thad,
> The Intel chips don't need to be the extreme version to beat all of the
> AMD processors even the Opterons. About the only thing the Opterons will
> be them out on on is high sample rate high track count but not CPU power.
>
> Intel sent us boards and chips about 2 months ago for us to get bench
> marks out for the audio world and boy was I impressed.
>
> AMD has nothing real to offer in the desktop market for the next couple
> of years. Ouch. I hope they survive it.
>
> We are mainly qualifying motherboards atm for the woodcrest. The
> woodcrest has 30 to 40% edge over any of the current Opterons.
>
> An added plus is that all the conroe and woodcrest boards we've tested
> have complete compatibility with UAD and TC POwercore. ON the Opteron
> side there is only one motherboard that is fully compatible. All the
> rest have lots of issues with those DSP cards.
>
>
>
> Here are benchmarks from our site.
>
> http://www.adkproaudio.com/benchmarks.cfm
>
> We in the process of working on a new benchmark that tests more of the
> subsystems not just CPU and ram. But its gonna take a while sense we
> gotta make it so that other people can run it.
>
>
> At this point the only AMD systems I recommend are x2 939 systems and
> only if the person has a tight budget. The new AMD M2 processors are big
> disappointment. Barely any performance difference with the 939.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> TCB wrote:
>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with DFI and
>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>
>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the hopped
>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
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| Re: Wow [message #70883 is a reply to message #70878] |
Sat, 05 August 2006 11:52 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
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HI Dedric,
Yes the Woodcrest Xeon chip.
If you look at the 64k buffer part of the list it is the ivory colored
bar. It has the best score of only 53% cpu at 64k buffer amd the Conroe
and Dual Opteron 285 tied for 2nd place. The X2 4400 score was 70% at
64k buffer. The most disappointing results are from the new AMD M2
processors but I think there is 3rd party chipset issues involved with
that.
AMD has quad core Opteron CPUS in the pipeline but of course so does
Intel. Thats Quad core on the single socket and dual socket boards. But
we won't be seeing this till after Vista is out I think.
Chris
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Chris - is there a dual dual core option for either Intel chip yet?
>
> I had a hard time distinguishing the X2 color bar from the Conroe 2.66, but
> (correct me if I'm wrong) - it looked like it beat everything on the Thonex
> 2 test, even the dual DC Opteron (except 1024 samples latency).
>
> I have to admit, as much as I've been happy with AMD, this is great news.
> Compatibility has been fine with my carefully selected AMD systems, but
> there aren't enough options there atm. If my Asus A8V dies, I'll probably
> have to move the UAD-1 system to an Intel dual core.
>
> Forgive my lack of research, but what is the main difference between conroe
> and woodcrest, other than the server vs. desktop generalization? Audio
> advantages either way? e.g. price vs. performance?
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
>
> On 8/5/06 2:31 AM, in article 44d45615$1@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>>HI Thad,
>>The Intel chips don't need to be the extreme version to beat all of the
>>AMD processors even the Opterons. About the only thing the Opterons will
>>be them out on on is high sample rate high track count but not CPU power.
>>
>>Intel sent us boards and chips about 2 months ago for us to get bench
>>marks out for the audio world and boy was I impressed.
>>
>>AMD has nothing real to offer in the desktop market for the next couple
>>of years. Ouch. I hope they survive it.
>>
>>We are mainly qualifying motherboards atm for the woodcrest. The
>>woodcrest has 30 to 40% edge over any of the current Opterons.
>>
>>An added plus is that all the conroe and woodcrest boards we've tested
>>have complete compatibility with UAD and TC POwercore. ON the Opteron
>>side there is only one motherboard that is fully compatible. All the
>>rest have lots of issues with those DSP cards.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here are benchmarks from our site.
>>
>>http://www.adkproaudio.com/benchmarks.cfm
>>
>>We in the process of working on a new benchmark that tests more of the
>>subsystems not just CPU and ram. But its gonna take a while sense we
>>gotta make it so that other people can run it.
>>
>>
>>At this point the only AMD systems I recommend are x2 939 systems and
>>only if the person has a tight budget. The new AMD M2 processors are big
>>disappointment. Barely any performance difference with the 939.
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>>I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with DFI and
>>>ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>>
>>>http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>>
>>>A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the hopped
>>>up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Wow [message #70909 is a reply to message #70903] |
Sun, 06 August 2006 19:42 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Strange,
I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch) with dual
boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
Very impressed.
As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual core
Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools (7.1)
and Nuendo.
It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really don;t
knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was so much
ahead of Intels offerings.
Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price will
continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng, VSti's
will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path while
the prices are dropping.
No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed game.
Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good O'l
Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
LaMOnt
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week??? I know.
>I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with you
guys
>that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you guys
>wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>
>James
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with DFI
and
>>ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>
>>http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>
>>A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the hopped
>>up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>
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| Re: Wow [message #70910 is a reply to message #70909] |
Sun, 06 August 2006 20:02 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those crappy
old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>
> Strange,
> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch) with
dual
> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>
>
> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
> Very impressed.
>
> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
core
> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
(7.1)
> and Nuendo.
>
> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really don;t
> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was so
much
> ahead of Intels offerings.
>
> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
will
> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
VSti's
> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path while
> the prices are dropping.
>
> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed game.
> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good O'l
> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
> LaMOnt
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week??? I
know.
> >I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with you
> guys
> >that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you guys
> >wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
> >
> >James
> >
> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with DFI
> and
> >>ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
> >>
> >>http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
> >>
> >>A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
hopped
> >>up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
> >
>
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| Re: Wow [message #70912 is a reply to message #70910] |
Sun, 06 August 2006 21:21 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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DJ, we will be dinasours if we stay with AMD..
LaMont..
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those crappy
>old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
>running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
>
>;o)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>>
>> Strange,
>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch) with
>dual
>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>>
>>
>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
>> Very impressed.
>>
>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
>core
>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
>(7.1)
>> and Nuendo.
>>
>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really don;t
>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was so
>much
>> ahead of Intels offerings.
>>
>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
>will
>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
>VSti's
>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path while
>> the prices are dropping.
>>
>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed game.
>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good
O'l
>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
>> LaMOnt
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
I
>know.
>> >I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with you
>> guys
>> >that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you guys
>> >wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>> >
>> >James
>> >
>> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with DFI
>> and
>> >>ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>> >>
>> >>http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>> >>
>> >>A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
>hopped
>> >>up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: Wow [message #70914 is a reply to message #70912] |
Sun, 06 August 2006 21:30 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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We already are. We both still use Paris
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6bfe6$1@linux...
>
> DJ, we will be dinasours if we stay with AMD..
> LaMont..
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those
crappy
> >old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
> >running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Strange,
> >> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch) with
> >dual
> >> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP
performance.
> >>
> >>
> >> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the
market.
> >> Very impressed.
> >>
> >> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
> >core
> >> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
> >(7.1)
> >> and Nuendo.
> >>
> >> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really
don;t
> >> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was so
> >much
> >> ahead of Intels offerings.
> >>
> >> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
> >will
> >> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
> >VSti's
> >> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path
while
> >> the prices are dropping.
> >>
> >> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed
game.
> >> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good
> O'l
> >> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
> >> LaMOnt
> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
> I
> >know.
> >> >I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with
you
> >> guys
> >> >that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you
guys
> >> >wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
> >> >
> >> >James
> >> >
> >> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with
DFI
> >> and
> >> >>ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
> >> >>
> >> >>A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
> >hopped
> >> >>up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Wow [message #70915 is a reply to message #70910] |
Sun, 06 August 2006 22:27 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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But DJ, just think about running a dual dual Intel with UAD-1s and Powercore
cards with more than one motherboard to choose from...and no compatibility
quirks to keep you up all hours trying to resolve.
As for Macs running Windows - why would anyone pay more money for
Apple-built hardware to run Windows?
It finally comes out - Macs really just wanted to be PCs. And now they are.
And now there will be no more reason to pay Apple more for the same hardware
you can get from 100 other vendors. Oh, and Mac users will just love having
to succumb to antivirus/spam protection now.
On 8/6/06 9:02 PM, in article 44d6ada9@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those crappy
> old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
> running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
>
> ;o)
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>>
>> Strange,
>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch) with
> dual
>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>>
>>
>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
>> Very impressed.
>>
>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
> core
>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
> (7.1)
>> and Nuendo.
>>
>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really don;t
>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was so
> much
>> ahead of Intels offerings.
>>
>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
> will
>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
> VSti's
>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path while
>> the prices are dropping.
>>
>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed game.
>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good O'l
>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
>> LaMOnt
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week??? I
> know.
>>> I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with you
>> guys
>>> that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you guys
>>> wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with DFI
>> and
>>>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>>>
>>>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
> hopped
>>>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Wow [message #70918 is a reply to message #70915] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 07:27 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
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Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>But DJ, just think about running a dual dual Intel with UAD-1s and Powercore
>cards with more than one motherboard to choose from...and no compatibility
>quirks to keep you up all hours trying to resolve.
>
>As for Macs running Windows - why would anyone pay more money for
>Apple-built hardware to run Windows?
>
>It finally comes out - Macs really just wanted to be PCs. And now they
are.
>And now there will be no more reason to pay Apple more for the same hardware
>you can get from 100 other vendors. Oh, and Mac users will just love having
>to succumb to antivirus/spam protection now.
Yeah, that's what every Mac user wants, to deal with that debacle! This
is one Mac user that won't be loading Windoz virus on my Mac.
>
>On 8/6/06 9:02 PM, in article 44d6ada9@linux, "DJ"
><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>> Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those crappy
>> old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
>> running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Strange,
>>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch) with
>> dual
>>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
>>> Very impressed.
>>>
>>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
>> core
>>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
>> (7.1)
>>> and Nuendo.
>>>
>>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really don;t
>>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was so
>> much
>>> ahead of Intels offerings.
>>>
>>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
>> will
>>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
>> VSti's
>>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path while
>>> the prices are dropping.
>>>
>>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed game.
>>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good
O'l
>>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
>>> LaMOnt
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
I
>> know.
>>>> I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with
you
>>> guys
>>>> that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you
guys
>>>> wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with
DFI
>>> and
>>>>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>>>>
>>>>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
>> hopped
>>>>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Wow [message #70922 is a reply to message #70915] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 09:09 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Or better yet, to avoid computing nastiness, don't surf on your music machine
and put Debian on it. Then do this following once per day
$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
and you'll never have security/virus problems ever again.
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>But DJ, just think about running a dual dual Intel with UAD-1s and Powercore
>cards with more than one motherboard to choose from...and no compatibility
>quirks to keep you up all hours trying to resolve.
>
>As for Macs running Windows - why would anyone pay more money for
>Apple-built hardware to run Windows?
>
>It finally comes out - Macs really just wanted to be PCs. And now they
are.
>And now there will be no more reason to pay Apple more for the same hardware
>you can get from 100 other vendors. Oh, and Mac users will just love having
>to succumb to antivirus/spam protection now.
>
>On 8/6/06 9:02 PM, in article 44d6ada9@linux, "DJ"
><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>> Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those crappy
>> old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
>> running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Strange,
>>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch) with
>> dual
>>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
>>> Very impressed.
>>>
>>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
>> core
>>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
>> (7.1)
>>> and Nuendo.
>>>
>>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really don;t
>>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was so
>> much
>>> ahead of Intels offerings.
>>>
>>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
>> will
>>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
>> VSti's
>>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path while
>>> the prices are dropping.
>>>
>>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed game.
>>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good
O'l
>>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
>>> LaMOnt
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
I
>> know.
>>>> I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with
you
>>> guys
>>>> that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you
guys
>>>> wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with
DFI
>>> and
>>>>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>>>>
>>>>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
>> hopped
>>>>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Wow [message #70923 is a reply to message #70922] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 10:08 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Nerd Alert!
TCB wrote:
> Or better yet, to avoid computing nastiness, don't surf on your music machine
> and put Debian on it. Then do this following once per day
>
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> and you'll never have security/virus problems ever again.
>
> TCB
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> But DJ, just think about running a dual dual Intel with UAD-1s and Powercore
>> cards with more than one motherboard to choose from...and no compatibility
>> quirks to keep you up all hours trying to resolve.
>>
>> As for Macs running Windows - why would anyone pay more money for
>> Apple-built hardware to run Windows?
>>
>> It finally comes out - Macs really just wanted to be PCs. And now they
> are.
>> And now there will be no more reason to pay Apple more for the same hardware
>> you can get from 100 other vendors. Oh, and Mac users will just love having
>> to succumb to antivirus/spam protection now.
>>
>> On 8/6/06 9:02 PM, in article 44d6ada9@linux, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those crappy
>>> old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
>>> running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>>>> Strange,
>>>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch) with
>>> dual
>>>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
>>>> Very impressed.
>>>>
>>>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
>>> core
>>>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
>>> (7.1)
>>>> and Nuendo.
>>>>
>>>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really don;t
>>>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was so
>>> much
>>>> ahead of Intels offerings.
>>>>
>>>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
>>> will
>>>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
>>> VSti's
>>>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path while
>>>> the prices are dropping.
>>>>
>>>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed game.
>>>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good
> O'l
>>>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
>>>> LaMOnt
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
> I
>>> know.
>>>>> I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with
> you
>>>> guys
>>>>> that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you
> guys
>>>>> wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with
> DFI
>>>> and
>>>>>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
>>> hopped
>>>>>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>>>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Wow [message #70925 is a reply to message #70923] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 10:17 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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My os does that too, but the commands are
blorg blorg ditto blorg
blorg blorg blorgo ditto
Chuck
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Nerd Alert!
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Or better yet, to avoid computing nastiness, don't surf on your music
machine
>> and put Debian on it. Then do this following once per day
>>
>> $ sudo apt-get update
>> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>>
>> and you'll never have security/virus problems ever again.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> But DJ, just think about running a dual dual Intel with UAD-1s and Powercore
>>> cards with more than one motherboard to choose from...and no compatibility
>>> quirks to keep you up all hours trying to resolve.
>>>
>>> As for Macs running Windows - why would anyone pay more money for
>>> Apple-built hardware to run Windows?
>>>
>>> It finally comes out - Macs really just wanted to be PCs. And now they
>> are.
>>> And now there will be no more reason to pay Apple more for the same hardware
>>> you can get from 100 other vendors. Oh, and Mac users will just love
having
>>> to succumb to antivirus/spam protection now.
>>>
>>> On 8/6/06 9:02 PM, in article 44d6ada9@linux, "DJ"
>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those
crappy
>>>> old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
>>>> running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>>>>> Strange,
>>>>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch)
with
>>>> dual
>>>>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
>>>>> Very impressed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
>>>> core
>>>>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
>>>> (7.1)
>>>>> and Nuendo.
>>>>>
>>>>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really
don;t
>>>>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was
so
>>>> much
>>>>> ahead of Intels offerings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
>>>> will
>>>>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
>>>> VSti's
>>>>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path
while
>>>>> the prices are dropping.
>>>>>
>>>>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed
game.
>>>>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good
>> O'l
>>>>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
>>>>> LaMOnt
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
>> I
>>>> know.
>>>>>> I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with
>> you
>>>>> guys
>>>>>> that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you
>> guys
>>>>>> wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with
>> DFI
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
>>>> hopped
>>>>>>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Wow [message #70927 is a reply to message #70923] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 10:19 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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I'll never forget an inciodent a few years ago. There was a radio talk show
in Austin that dealt with consumer level computer issues. Geeks were not
allowed (and 'Austin is geek country). This was back around 1999 when I was
learning to build DAWs. I was using SCSI drives but ATA 66 was on the
horizon so I called in with a question regasrding potential throughput of
ATA66 IDE drives vs SCSI. It seemed to me to be a pretty innocuous,
newbie'esque question. All of a sudden there was this loud siren going off
in the background of the phone receiver (and obviously being broadcast on
air) and I was given the radio equivalent of being driven through the
streets under the lash and then staked over an ant bed.
;oP
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:44d7724c@linux...
> Nerd Alert!
>
>
> TCB wrote:
> > Or better yet, to avoid computing nastiness, don't surf on your music
machine
> > and put Debian on it. Then do this following once per day
> >
> > $ sudo apt-get update
> > $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
> >
> > and you'll never have security/virus problems ever again.
> >
> > TCB
> >
> > Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >> But DJ, just think about running a dual dual Intel with UAD-1s and
Powercore
> >> cards with more than one motherboard to choose from...and no
compatibility
> >> quirks to keep you up all hours trying to resolve.
> >>
> >> As for Macs running Windows - why would anyone pay more money for
> >> Apple-built hardware to run Windows?
> >>
> >> It finally comes out - Macs really just wanted to be PCs. And now they
> > are.
> >> And now there will be no more reason to pay Apple more for the same
hardware
> >> you can get from 100 other vendors. Oh, and Mac users will just love
having
> >> to succumb to antivirus/spam protection now.
> >>
> >> On 8/6/06 9:02 PM, in article 44d6ada9@linux, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those
crappy
> >>> old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
> >>> running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
> >>>
> >>> ;o)
> >>>
> >>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:44d6a887$1@linux...
> >>>> Strange,
> >>>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch)
with
> >>> dual
> >>>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP
performance.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the
market.
> >>>> Very impressed.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a
Dual
> >>> core
> >>>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for
ProTools
> >>> (7.1)
> >>>> and Nuendo.
> >>>>
> >>>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really
don;t
> >>>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was
so
> >>> much
> >>>> ahead of Intels offerings.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons
price
> >>> will
> >>>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
> >>> VSti's
> >>>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path
while
> >>>> the prices are dropping.
> >>>>
> >>>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed
game.
> >>>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the
good
> > O'l
> >>>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
> >>>> LaMOnt
> >>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
> > I
> >>> know.
> >>>>> I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with
> > you
> >>>> guys
> >>>>> that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you
> > guys
> >>>>> wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb
unit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> James
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with
> > DFI
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
> >>> hopped
> >>>>>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
> >>>
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Wow [message #70928 is a reply to message #70923] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 10:37 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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True enough, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong . . .
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Nerd Alert!
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Or better yet, to avoid computing nastiness, don't surf on your music
machine
>> and put Debian on it. Then do this following once per day
>>
>> $ sudo apt-get update
>> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>>
>> and you'll never have security/virus problems ever again.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> But DJ, just think about running a dual dual Intel with UAD-1s and Powercore
>>> cards with more than one motherboard to choose from...and no compatibility
>>> quirks to keep you up all hours trying to resolve.
>>>
>>> As for Macs running Windows - why would anyone pay more money for
>>> Apple-built hardware to run Windows?
>>>
>>> It finally comes out - Macs really just wanted to be PCs. And now they
>> are.
>>> And now there will be no more reason to pay Apple more for the same hardware
>>> you can get from 100 other vendors. Oh, and Mac users will just love
having
>>> to succumb to antivirus/spam protection now.
>>>
>>> On 8/6/06 9:02 PM, in article 44d6ada9@linux, "DJ"
>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those
crappy
>>>> old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
>>>> running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>>>>> Strange,
>>>>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch)
with
>>>> dual
>>>>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
>>>>> Very impressed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
>>>> core
>>>>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
>>>> (7.1)
>>>>> and Nuendo.
>>>>>
>>>>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really
don;t
>>>>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was
so
>>>> much
>>>>> ahead of Intels offerings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
>>>> will
>>>>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
>>>> VSti's
>>>>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path
while
>>>>> the prices are dropping.
>>>>>
>>>>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed
game.
>>>>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good
>> O'l
>>>>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
>>>>> LaMOnt
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
>> I
>>>> know.
>>>>>> I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with
>> you
>>>>> guys
>>>>>> that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you
>> guys
>>>>>> wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with
>> DFI
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
>>>> hopped
>>>>>>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Wow [message #70938 is a reply to message #70928] |
Mon, 07 August 2006 13:31 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Nerds are never wrong!!!!!
TCB wrote:
> True enough, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong . . .
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> Nerd Alert!
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> Or better yet, to avoid computing nastiness, don't surf on your music
> machine
>>> and put Debian on it. Then do this following once per day
>>>
>>> $ sudo apt-get update
>>> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>>>
>>> and you'll never have security/virus problems ever again.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> But DJ, just think about running a dual dual Intel with UAD-1s and Powercore
>>>> cards with more than one motherboard to choose from...and no compatibility
>>>> quirks to keep you up all hours trying to resolve.
>>>>
>>>> As for Macs running Windows - why would anyone pay more money for
>>>> Apple-built hardware to run Windows?
>>>>
>>>> It finally comes out - Macs really just wanted to be PCs. And now they
>>> are.
>>>> And now there will be no more reason to pay Apple more for the same hardware
>>>> you can get from 100 other vendors. Oh, and Mac users will just love
> having
>>>> to succumb to antivirus/spam protection now.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/6/06 9:02 PM, in article 44d6ada9@linux, "DJ"
>>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hehehe.....yeah......I guess I'll just have to build me one of those
> crappy
>>>>> old double CPU dual core Opterons and wail and gnash my teeth whil'st
>>>>> running native apps at 64k buffers 27/7
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44d6a887$1@linux...
>>>>>> Strange,
>>>>>> I just got back form Comp USA to test out a Dual core Imac(20inch)
> with
>>>>> dual
>>>>>> boot 9Wiin /OSX, and I'm very impressed with the Windows XP performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simply put, the Macs run Windows better than some PCs out on the market.
>>>>>> Very impressed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for AMD. Wow!! My last new system I assembled (April 06) was a Dual
>>>>> core
>>>>>> Opteron/939 chipset. It did not run Paris, but, it's abest for ProTools
>>>>> (7.1)
>>>>>> and Nuendo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It lloking like Intel is about to recliam the speed game. I really
> don;t
>>>>>> knwo how AMD let Intel back into the game ??? Since the Opteron was
> so
>>>>> much
>>>>>> ahead of Intels offerings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the ood new for me and others is the Higher speed Opterons price
>>>>> will
>>>>>> continue to fall!! That means setting up a a fast DAW for recoridng,
>>>>> VSti's
>>>>>> will alot lighter in the wallet$$$. I'll continue down the AMD path
> while
>>>>>> the prices are dropping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No need for me and others to et caught up in the $$ expensive speed
> game.
>>>>>> Nope..I'll wait around like the Vultures :) and make due with the good
>>> O'l
>>>>>> Slow Dual Core Opterons. Oh woe is me!! :)
>>>>>> LaMOnt
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I wonder if Apple will put these in the new Mac towers this week???
>>> I
>>>>> know.
>>>>>>> I know, Apple would still suck; ) LOL! And I'd still agree with
>>> you
>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>> that they are still going to be over priced. Although, some of you
>>> guys
>>>>>>> wouldn't think twice about paying 3K for a mic, a pre, or reverb unit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've been an AMD buyer/user for a long time. Very comfortable with
>>> DFI
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> ASUS mobos and equipment. But check this out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A hopped up best of breed Intel chip beats the daylights out of the
>>>>> hopped
>>>>>>>> up top of the line AMD. I mean destroys it.
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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