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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90950 is a reply to message #90940] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 10:44   |
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Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
"consolidation" is the name of the game.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>DP and Logic continue to compete.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>
>> Gantt
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>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>> Motu.
>>
>>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90951 is a reply to message #90950] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 11:25 |
Dedric Terry
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Don't forget that Nuendo 4 (now shipping) and Cubase 4.1 (coming soon) are
also competing on Intel/PPC Macs.
DP and Logic aren't alone there.
Jamie - side bar question, is Logic 8 now completely Cocoa, or is it still
Carbon?
Dedric
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47052660$1@linux...
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> Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
> pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the
> Hollywood
> composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>
> Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most
> industries,
> "consolidation" is the name of the game.
>
>
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>>DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple
>>> engineers
>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>> Motu.
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90952 is a reply to message #90950] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 11:38 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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LaMont wrote:
> Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
> pricing of Logic Studio.
Sure they can.
MOTU has a great sequencer that was already priced at $500 long before
Apple came down to that price.
MOTU has some very capable software instruments and they work with
anyone's sequencer including Logic and DP.
And MOTU has dependable, workhorse i/o hardware.
MOTU can sell hardware/software bundles with DP, and they can sell
instrument and hardware add-ons that work with any sequencer. A lot of
the basic R&D costs should be recouped by now, they are in a good
position to build from the solid tech base they have achieved.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
> composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>
> Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
> "consolidation" is the name of the game.
>
>
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>> DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>> Motu.
>>>
>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90953 is a reply to message #90951] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 11:52 |
Jamie K
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Dedric Terry wrote:
> Don't forget that Nuendo 4 (now shipping) and Cubase 4.1 (coming soon)
> are also competing on Intel/PPC Macs.
> DP and Logic aren't alone there.
True. And Live and a few others. Choice is good.
> Jamie - side bar question, is Logic 8 now completely Cocoa, or is it
> still Carbon?
I haven't heard. I still haven't even had time to install Logic 8. Just
finished another project on Logic 7...maybe next week I'll have time to
install the upgrade.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Dedric
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47052660$1@linux...
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>> Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's
>> giveaway
>> pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the
>> Hollywood
>> composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>>
>> Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most
>> industries,
>> "consolidation" is the name of the game.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>>> DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple
>>>> engineers
>>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>>> Motu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90954 is a reply to message #90950] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 12:09 |
excelav
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A lot more people use DP than you think. The Mac side needs to maintain choice,
other wise people will say that there is no Audio software for the Mac.
Stupid people would listen and abandon the platform. There is not one size
that fits all, people like choice.
I thought they should have bought Steinberg, MOTU over Emagic, but hey, it's
all history now. By the way have you seen Apple stock prices lately? They
must have made some right choices. I wish I would have listen to myself
and bought when they dipped below $14.00 a share. The stock has split at
least once or twice since then. Oh well.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
>pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
>composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>
>Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
>"consolidation" is the name of the game.
>
>
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>>DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>> Motu.
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90956 is a reply to message #90952] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 14:20 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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I agree with you about Motus status, but DP is not a big seller. Too often
yo hear that :
-User interface is too busy
-midi first
-clucky audio editing.
I own DP4 and have it on a G4 and while it's avery capable seqencer with
great features like Polar and such, I just think that more composers prefer
Logic's Sequencer for midi composing. Then, on the audio side, we like sleek,
fast, audio recording and editing aong with mixing.
DP is not in the league with Neundo,Pro Tools in that department. So, yes,
they have a winner with their stellar hardware...But, on the software side,
I don't know ..Tough call there
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>LaMont wrote:
>> Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
>> pricing of Logic Studio.
>
>Sure they can.
>
>MOTU has a great sequencer that was already priced at $500 long before
>Apple came down to that price.
>
>MOTU has some very capable software instruments and they work with
>anyone's sequencer including Logic and DP.
>
>And MOTU has dependable, workhorse i/o hardware.
>
>MOTU can sell hardware/software bundles with DP, and they can sell
>instrument and hardware add-ons that work with any sequencer. A lot of
>the basic R&D costs should be recouped by now, they are in a good
>position to build from the solid tech base they have achieved.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> > Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
>> composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>>
>> Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
>> "consolidation" is the name of the game.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>>> DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>>> Motu.
>>>>
>>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90957 is a reply to message #90954] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 14:28 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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Really nichey product. Small niches.. "A lot more people use DP than you think"
Your average DAW consumer does not go to their GC, Sam Ash etcand ask for
DP..Rather Pro Tools (LE, M-Powered) Cubase SX, Logic Audio..Abelton Live..Acid
Pro, Sonar
I hope they re-invent it's DP like Logic Audio 8, and come up with a user
interface that's not so busy.. Take the Nuendo/SX & Protools Approach which
is the 2 screen first (Audio arrange/Mixer)..Then, toggle your way into the
Midi and other stuff..Just like Logic 8 has.
If not, their market share will continue to shrink. What DP does, no other
DAW does. The tools that are embedded in that app is just plain stupid!!
Conducter/arrange track, Polar and many others.. They just have to find
away to stream line and dare I say, dumb it down a bit.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>A lot more people use DP than you think. The Mac side needs to maintain
choice,
>other wise people will say that there is no Audio software for the Mac.
>Stupid people would listen and abandon the platform. There is not one size
>that fits all, people like choice.
>
>I thought they should have bought Steinberg, MOTU over Emagic, but hey,
it's
>all history now. By the way have you seen Apple stock prices lately? They
>must have made some right choices. I wish I would have listen to myself
>and bought when they dipped below $14.00 a share. The stock has split at
>least once or twice since then. Oh well.
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
>>pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
>>composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>>
>>Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
>>"consolidation" is the name of the game.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>
>>>DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>>> Motu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90958 is a reply to message #90956] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 14:40 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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You should upgrade to DP 5.x, there were some great improvements around 4.5
through 5.0.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>I agree with you about Motus status, but DP is not a big seller. Too often
>yo hear that :
>
>-User interface is too busy
>
>-midi first
>
>-clucky audio editing.
>
>I own DP4 and have it on a G4 and while it's avery capable seqencer with
>great features like Polar and such, I just think that more composers prefer
>Logic's Sequencer for midi composing. Then, on the audio side, we like
sleek,
>fast, audio recording and editing aong with mixing.
>
>DP is not in the league with Neundo,Pro Tools in that department. So, yes,
>they have a winner with their stellar hardware...But, on the software side,
>I don't know ..Tough call there
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>LaMont wrote:
>>> Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
>>> pricing of Logic Studio.
>>
>>Sure they can.
>>
>>MOTU has a great sequencer that was already priced at $500 long before
>>Apple came down to that price.
>>
>>MOTU has some very capable software instruments and they work with
>>anyone's sequencer including Logic and DP.
>>
>>And MOTU has dependable, workhorse i/o hardware.
>>
>>MOTU can sell hardware/software bundles with DP, and they can sell
>>instrument and hardware add-ons that work with any sequencer. A lot of
>>the basic R&D costs should be recouped by now, they are in a good
>>position to build from the solid tech base they have achieved.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
>>> composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>>>
>>> Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
>>> "consolidation" is the name of the game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>
>>>> DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>>>> Motu.
>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90961 is a reply to message #90957] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 15:13 |
excelav
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Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Well, everybody's got an opinion, mine is that DP 5 is pretty slick in it's
own right. At one time DP was one of the top softwares in professional studios.
A lot of guys still use it. Sweetwater for one, still pushes DP pretty
hard.
I would call DECK a niche DAW, but not DP, there are still many users. Remember,
DP is a Pro App, there are guys that can do anything with DP that any other
DAW can do.
All these companies leapfrog each other with features. DP has had features
that some DAWs had only recently gotten around to. There is a possibility
that DP will now create PC versions due to Apple's move. I wouldn't count
MOTU out just yet, just like I wouldn't count out Sony/SonicFoundry, or CakeWalk.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>Really nichey product. Small niches.. "A lot more people use DP than you
think"
>
>Your average DAW consumer does not go to their GC, Sam Ash etcand ask for
>DP..Rather Pro Tools (LE, M-Powered) Cubase SX, Logic Audio..Abelton Live..Acid
>Pro, Sonar
>
>I hope they re-invent it's DP like Logic Audio 8, and come up with a user
>interface that's not so busy.. Take the Nuendo/SX & Protools Approach which
>is the 2 screen first (Audio arrange/Mixer)..Then, toggle your way into
the
>Midi and other stuff..Just like Logic 8 has.
>
>If not, their market share will continue to shrink. What DP does, no other
>DAW does. The tools that are embedded in that app is just plain stupid!!
>Conducter/arrange track, Polar and many others.. They just have to find
>away to stream line and dare I say, dumb it down a bit.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>A lot more people use DP than you think. The Mac side needs to maintain
>choice,
>>other wise people will say that there is no Audio software for the Mac.
>
>>Stupid people would listen and abandon the platform. There is not one
size
>>that fits all, people like choice.
>>
>>I thought they should have bought Steinberg, MOTU over Emagic, but hey,
>it's
>>all history now. By the way have you seen Apple stock prices lately?
They
>>must have made some right choices. I wish I would have listen to myself
>>and bought when they dipped below $14.00 a share. The stock has split
at
>>least once or twice since then. Oh well.
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
>>>pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
>>>composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>>>
>>>Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
>>>"consolidation" is the name of the game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>>
>>>>DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>>>> Motu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90979 is a reply to message #90954] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 06:55 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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http://finance.google.com/finance?q=aapl
Apple had one 2:1 split in early 2005, so if you bought the stock before
then (say in the high 20's) the current share price should be doubled, so
you've had a 10x return in less than three years. It's also trading at 44x
earnings right now, while HP, Dell, and MSFT are trading at less than half
of that, so you have to be a real believer in future growth to be a buyer
today. However, I wish I had every penny of my money in AAPL since Jan 1
2005, even if I can't stand their operating systems.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>A lot more people use DP than you think. The Mac side needs to maintain
choice,
>other wise people will say that there is no Audio software for the Mac.
>Stupid people would listen and abandon the platform. There is not one size
>that fits all, people like choice.
>
>I thought they should have bought Steinberg, MOTU over Emagic, but hey,
it's
>all history now. By the way have you seen Apple stock prices lately? They
>must have made some right choices. I wish I would have listen to myself
>and bought when they dipped below $14.00 a share. The stock has split at
>least once or twice since then. Oh well.
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
>>pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
>>composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>>
>>Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
>>"consolidation" is the name of the game.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>
>>>DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>>> Motu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90984 is a reply to message #90979] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 08:13 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
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I sure wouldn't buy in at the top. What goes up must come down, eventually.
Well, at least you admit you can't stand Mac OSX. The Question is why!
You don't need to answer that.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>http://finance.google.com/finance?q=aapl
>
>Apple had one 2:1 split in early 2005, so if you bought the stock before
>then (say in the high 20's) the current share price should be doubled, so
>you've had a 10x return in less than three years. It's also trading at 44x
>earnings right now, while HP, Dell, and MSFT are trading at less than half
>of that, so you have to be a real believer in future growth to be a buyer
>today. However, I wish I had every penny of my money in AAPL since Jan 1
>2005, even if I can't stand their operating systems.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>A lot more people use DP than you think. The Mac side needs to maintain
>choice,
>>other wise people will say that there is no Audio software for the Mac.
>
>>Stupid people would listen and abandon the platform. There is not one
size
>>that fits all, people like choice.
>>
>>I thought they should have bought Steinberg, MOTU over Emagic, but hey,
>it's
>>all history now. By the way have you seen Apple stock prices lately?
They
>>must have made some right choices. I wish I would have listen to myself
>>and bought when they dipped below $14.00 a share. The stock has split
at
>>least once or twice since then. Oh well.
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
>>>pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the Hollywood
>>>composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>>>
>>>Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
>>>"consolidation" is the name of the game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>>
>>>>DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>>>> Motu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: new Motu unit..Hey Dedric...Looksy! [message #90985 is a reply to message #90984] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 08:38 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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I've been very open about why I don't like OS X, and why I really don't like
Vista, so I don't have to 'admit' anything.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I sure wouldn't buy in at the top. What goes up must come down, eventually.
>
>
>Well, at least you admit you can't stand Mac OSX. The Question is why!
>You don't need to answer that.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>http://finance.google.com/finance?q=aapl
>>
>>Apple had one 2:1 split in early 2005, so if you bought the stock before
>>then (say in the high 20's) the current share price should be doubled,
so
>>you've had a 10x return in less than three years. It's also trading at
44x
>>earnings right now, while HP, Dell, and MSFT are trading at less than half
>>of that, so you have to be a real believer in future growth to be a buyer
>>today. However, I wish I had every penny of my money in AAPL since Jan
1
>>2005, even if I can't stand their operating systems.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>A lot more people use DP than you think. The Mac side needs to maintain
>>choice,
>>>other wise people will say that there is no Audio software for the Mac.
>>
>>>Stupid people would listen and abandon the platform. There is not one
>size
>>>that fits all, people like choice.
>>>
>>>I thought they should have bought Steinberg, MOTU over Emagic, but hey,
>>it's
>>>all history now. By the way have you seen Apple stock prices lately?
>They
>>>must have made some right choices. I wish I would have listen to myself
>>>and bought when they dipped below $14.00 a share. The stock has split
>at
>>>least once or twice since then. Oh well.
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Jamie, on the software front, Motu can't compete with Apple's giveaway
>>>>pricing of Logic Studio. Let's be honest, DP's main user base is the
Hollywood
>>>>composer crowd. Not enough to keep up with Apple's onslaught.
>>>>
>>>>Competition is good for any industry, but it seems that like most industries,
>>>>"consolidation" is the name of the game.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>OTOH, in the interested of having some choices, it'd be better to have
>>>
>>>>>DP and Logic continue to compete.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>>>> Damn! And put the MOTU software engineers together w/ the Apple engineers
>>>>>> to combine DP and Logic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my thought,I think it would be a great move if Apple aquired
>>>>>>> Motu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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