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Wed, 19 March 2008 16:24

dc[3]
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Registered: September 2005

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Sorry, I misread your question.

Jesus taught that all are lost and all are doomed by their
sins. He never ever said people are basically good and
this position is against everything he stood and died for.

We can pursue this further if you like, but it is very clear.

DC

"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>Did Jesus say all people are not basically good?
>
>No.
>
>
>>I agree with Hubbard: what's real for you is real for you. I think that
>
>>is as fair and true a statement as can be made. Make your own decisions
>
>>and keep your own counsel.
>
>
>Some things may be simply real.
>
>best,
>
>DC
>
>>
>>DC wrote:
>>> But, (and I am speaking to you and Erling here), both the
>>> "myth making" view of faith and the opinions of Hubbard (and
>>> many others) about human nature became moot if the evidence for
>>> Jesus is compelling.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> By the way, belief or non-belief in Jesus has absolutely nothing to
do
>
>>>> with Scientology. Scientology is not "faith-based". It is entirely
>>>> empirically derived and the technologies of Scientology are experienced
>>>
>>>> daily by Scientologists. Hubbard was trained as an engineer and he
>>>> insisted that his technology be as workable and repeatable as e.g. the
>
>>>> formula for building a bridge.
>>>>
>>>> Many Christians, Jews, what have you are also Scientologists - but
>>>> saner, happier ones. Hubbard wrote, "What is true for you is what is
>
>>>> true for you."
>>>>
>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>> I just have one question for you both.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would change in your beliefs if it could be shown that
>>>>> the real Jesus was the one of the Bible? That all the best
>>>>> evidence, when considered outside of philosophical
>>>>> pre-commitments, shows that Jesus was who he said he was,
>>>>> and the story of his origin, purpose, his life, death and
>>>>> yes his resurrection, as shown in the Bible, is pretty much spot-on?
>>>>>
>>>>> What would happen to "faith as human myth-making and story
>>>>> telling"?
>>>>>
>>>>> What would happen to Scientology?
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is true, would it not affect your beliefs profoundly? If so,
>>>>> then I would suggest resolving this issue is an important task;
>>>>> perhaps the most important of all the things we do in this
>>>>> life.
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What would happen to faith as mere human
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>> All people are basically good and are trying to survive as they
>>>>>> understand it. With that starting point you can understand and help
>
>>>>>> others. All people are basically good.
>>>>>
>>>>>> erlilo wrote:
>>>>> Most of the difference and
>>>>>>> problems are in the HUMAN made religions that's for the most have
>a
>>> culture
>>>>>>> thousand of years back in the history. It's special to think it over,
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> bible was a product that's started our christian stories from the
>Middle
>>>>>>> East with stories about God and The Garden of Eden(in Iran) and all
>>> the
>>>>> wars
>>>>>>> following up, long before someone could write at all.
>>>
>

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