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| Mixing with PARIS outside the box [message #63007] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 07:40  |
Dominic
Messages: 12
Registered: March 2006
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Looking for help mixing with PARIS outside the box.
How do you have it set up? What I was originally thinking was
to "external out" each channel but that would only get me 8 outs.
I an running 2 EDS cards so what is was thinking was to 8 out on
one card and 8 out on the other, but I would think there would
be an easier way.
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanx Dominic
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| Re: Mixing with PARIS outside the box (auxes for stem mixes) [message #63752 is a reply to message #63742] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 09:19  |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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You can do this if you set the analog I/O appropriately in the Paris
patchbay, then set the respective aux to External and stereo, enable the
respective aux on the tracks you want to hear on the respective input of the
HDS-16, physically connect the output from the respective auxes to the
inputs of the HDS16 and crank the volume pot on the HRM-16 mixer. If you
want to hear the entire mix on the HRM mixer, route your main mix (not
monitor mix) to stereo D of the HDS-16. Now that you have that working, set
you mixer to post fader and
go buy yourself an Alesis Wedge on EBay and hook it up to the FX I/O on the
HRM mixer and you'll never have to worry about jacking around with FX levels
from the board. The HDS/HRM is a great system, IMO, plenty of gain
available for 600 ohm cans and more versatile I/O situation (at least for
studio applications) than the (somewhat similar) Mytek Private Q system
which, when similarly configured, costs around $1000.00 more and
exponentially more and more as it is expanded. Something about running line
level audio down those big old SCSI cables sounds much *phatter* than the
LAN based HDS-6 system, to my ears.
Welcome to the club.
;o)
Deej
"Dominic" <BERTSTUDIO@aol.com> wrote in message news:43d78e2e$1@linux...
>
> Deej
>
> I have been external out on 4 Aux's for my headphone mix into a
> Furman HDS 16. Why can't I send 8 trks out my aux external from
> one EDS and 8 out the aux external on the other EDS card.
>
>
> I'll know if will work in a few weeks. Just think PARIS tracks
> mixed down on an AMEK 2500..........Next to an Ampex MM1200
> What a world..
> You got to love it
> DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Hmmmmm..........guys???..........major brain fart here, likely caused by
> >..........well.......nevermind what, I simply fucked up. This is actually
> >not possible to my knowlefdge without routing the track from the Paris
> >insert sends into a summing device. Using the auxes is just a dead end
> >because you would still have to patch the insert sends to L & R Paris
auxes
> >and since you can't sum patch points on the aux module, what's the use in
> >that?
> >
> >Now back to the CR. Big mix to do, lots of acoustic instruments, with
track
> >counts in low 20's for the most part..........14 songs and needs to be
> >finished in two weeks. This wouldn't be a problem except I have a day job
> >that is very busy these days and some evenings I'm just too fried to feel
> >like firing up the beast and going to work all night (though that's
what's
> >happening right now).
> >
> >If I think of a workaround for this, I'll post it up here.
> >Sorry...........false hope sucks........I know.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >
> >tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:43c83675$1@linux...
> >> Hi DJ...please tell us all how to do this....
> >> "> >
> >> > >You could use the Paris auxes to create stem mixes if you didn't
want
> >to
> >> > fly
> >> > >16 individual tracks to an external mixer..
> >> > >
> >> > >;o)
> >> > >
> >> > >"Dominic" <bertstudio@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:43c7bbe7$1@linux...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Looking for help mixing with PARIS outside the box.
> >> > >> How do you have it set up? What I was originally thinking was
> >> > >> to "external out" each channel but that would only get me 8 outs.
> >> > >> I an running 2 EDS cards so what is was thinking was to 8 out on
> >> > >> one card and 8 out on the other, but I would think there would
> >> > >> be an easier way.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >> > >> Thanx Dominic
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Re: Mixing with PARIS outside the box (auxes for stem mixes) [message #63774 is a reply to message #63752] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 13:05 |
Dominic
Messages: 12
Registered: March 2006
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Junior Member |
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DJ
Thanx for your response....
What I was actually thinking was to do this same type of set up
so that I can mix outside the box.
What do you think?
Thanx again Dominic
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>You can do this if you set the analog I/O appropriately in the Paris
>patchbay, then set the respective aux to External and stereo, enable the
>respective aux on the tracks you want to hear on the respective input of
the
>HDS-16, physically connect the output from the respective auxes to the
>inputs of the HDS16 and crank the volume pot on the HRM-16 mixer. If you
>want to hear the entire mix on the HRM mixer, route your main mix (not
>monitor mix) to stereo D of the HDS-16. Now that you have that working,
set
>you mixer to post fader and
>go buy yourself an Alesis Wedge on EBay and hook it up to the FX I/O on
the
>HRM mixer and you'll never have to worry about jacking around with FX levels
>from the board. The HDS/HRM is a great system, IMO, plenty of gain
>available for 600 ohm cans and more versatile I/O situation (at least for
>studio applications) than the (somewhat similar) Mytek Private Q system
>which, when similarly configured, costs around $1000.00 more and
>exponentially more and more as it is expanded. Something about running line
>level audio down those big old SCSI cables sounds much *phatter* than the
>LAN based HDS-6 system, to my ears.
>
>Welcome to the club.
>
>;o)
>
>Deej
>
>"Dominic" <BERTSTUDIO@aol.com> wrote in message news:43d78e2e$1@linux...
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> I have been external out on 4 Aux's for my headphone mix into a
>> Furman HDS 16. Why can't I send 8 trks out my aux external from
>> one EDS and 8 out the aux external on the other EDS card.
>>
>>
>> I'll know if will work in a few weeks. Just think PARIS tracks
>> mixed down on an AMEK 2500..........Next to an Ampex MM1200
>> What a world..
>> You got to love it
>> DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Hmmmmm..........guys???..........major brain fart here, likely caused
by
>> >..........well.......nevermind what, I simply fucked up. This is actually
>> >not possible to my knowlefdge without routing the track from the Paris
>> >insert sends into a summing device. Using the auxes is just a dead end
>> >because you would still have to patch the insert sends to L & R Paris
>auxes
>> >and since you can't sum patch points on the aux module, what's the use
in
>> >that?
>> >
>> >Now back to the CR. Big mix to do, lots of acoustic instruments, with
>track
>> >counts in low 20's for the most part..........14 songs and needs to be
>> >finished in two weeks. This wouldn't be a problem except I have a day
job
>> >that is very busy these days and some evenings I'm just too fried to
feel
>> >like firing up the beast and going to work all night (though that's
>what's
>> >happening right now).
>> >
>> >If I think of a workaround for this, I'll post it up here.
>> >Sorry...........false hope sucks........I know.
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:43c83675$1@linux...
>> >> Hi DJ...please tell us all how to do this....
>> >> "> >
>> >> > >You could use the Paris auxes to create stem mixes if you didn't
>want
>> >to
>> >> > fly
>> >> > >16 individual tracks to an external mixer..
>> >> > >
>> >> > >;o)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >"Dominic" <bertstudio@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >news:43c7bbe7$1@linux...
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Looking for help mixing with PARIS outside the box.
>> >> > >> How do you have it set up? What I was originally thinking was
>> >> > >> to "external out" each channel but that would only get me 8 outs.
>> >> > >> I an running 2 EDS cards so what is was thinking was to 8 out
on
>> >> > >> one card and 8 out on the other, but I would think there would
>> >> > >> be an easier way.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> > >> Thanx Dominic
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: Mixing with PARIS outside the box (auxes for stem mixes) [message #63786 is a reply to message #63774] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 15:21 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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You can apply as many tracks to an aux channel as you want in a Paris submix
and you can also gain stage with the aux send/return. Since I've never done
this, I can't speak to the panning aspect of it, but I would think that if
you have your fader levels and panning applied in Paris, the auxes set to
stereo and center panned and the input channels on your mixer panned wide L
& R, then your mix panning in Paris might be preserved (because if you're
using auxses, this is where you're going to have to do your painning....in
Paris)........but then, you're not controlling your individual track fader
levels and panning on your outboard mixer. This might be a problem,
depending on how much control you want. If you're just using the mixer for
summing and you don't have enough inputs to handle anything but a few stems,
I can see doing this. You will have to monitor everything through the
outboard mixer, obviously, unless you are feeding everything full on through
the auxes and this is where you might run into some major distortion with
your stems since the aux sends/returns are gain stages that can be
overdriven. If you output 1:1 through the Paris inserts into corresponding
channels of an analog mixer (if you have enough inputs on the outboard
mixer), you have much less chance of this happening unless, of course, you
boost the Paris channel fader to 20 and crank the EQ output gain stages on
the individual channels, etc.
I'm simultaneously mixing on two DAWs with automation working on both of
them and I have to be really careful about the gain stging thing. I'm sorta'
doing ht you're proposing to do, except Paris is my *outboard* whereas
Cubase is my ITB.
Deej
"Dominic" <BERTSTUDIO@aol.com> wrote in message news:43d7da1e$1@linux...
>
> DJ
>
> Thanx for your response....
> What I was actually thinking was to do this same type of set up
> so that I can mix outside the box.
> What do you think?
>
> Thanx again Dominic
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >You can do this if you set the analog I/O appropriately in the Paris
> >patchbay, then set the respective aux to External and stereo, enable the
> >respective aux on the tracks you want to hear on the respective input of
> the
> >HDS-16, physically connect the output from the respective auxes to the
> >inputs of the HDS16 and crank the volume pot on the HRM-16 mixer. If you
> >want to hear the entire mix on the HRM mixer, route your main mix (not
> >monitor mix) to stereo D of the HDS-16. Now that you have that working,
> set
> >you mixer to post fader and
> >go buy yourself an Alesis Wedge on EBay and hook it up to the FX I/O on
> the
> >HRM mixer and you'll never have to worry about jacking around with FX
levels
> >from the board. The HDS/HRM is a great system, IMO, plenty of gain
> >available for 600 ohm cans and more versatile I/O situation (at least for
> >studio applications) than the (somewhat similar) Mytek Private Q system
> >which, when similarly configured, costs around $1000.00 more and
> >exponentially more and more as it is expanded. Something about running
line
> >level audio down those big old SCSI cables sounds much *phatter* than the
> >LAN based HDS-6 system, to my ears.
> >
> >Welcome to the club.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"Dominic" <BERTSTUDIO@aol.com> wrote in message news:43d78e2e$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Deej
> >>
> >> I have been external out on 4 Aux's for my headphone mix into a
> >> Furman HDS 16. Why can't I send 8 trks out my aux external from
> >> one EDS and 8 out the aux external on the other EDS card.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll know if will work in a few weeks. Just think PARIS tracks
> >> mixed down on an AMEK 2500..........Next to an Ampex MM1200
> >> What a world..
> >> You got to love it
> >> DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >Hmmmmm..........guys???..........major brain fart here, likely caused
> by
> >> >..........well.......nevermind what, I simply fucked up. This is
actually
> >> >not possible to my knowlefdge without routing the track from the Paris
> >> >insert sends into a summing device. Using the auxes is just a dead end
> >> >because you would still have to patch the insert sends to L & R Paris
> >auxes
> >> >and since you can't sum patch points on the aux module, what's the use
> in
> >> >that?
> >> >
> >> >Now back to the CR. Big mix to do, lots of acoustic instruments, with
> >track
> >> >counts in low 20's for the most part..........14 songs and needs to be
> >> >finished in two weeks. This wouldn't be a problem except I have a day
> job
> >> >that is very busy these days and some evenings I'm just too fried to
> feel
> >> >like firing up the beast and going to work all night (though that's
> >what's
> >> >happening right now).
> >> >
> >> >If I think of a workaround for this, I'll post it up here.
> >> >Sorry...........false hope sucks........I know.
> >> >
> >> >Deej
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:43c83675$1@linux...
> >> >> Hi DJ...please tell us all how to do this....
> >> >> "> >
> >> >> > >You could use the Paris auxes to create stem mixes if you didn't
> >want
> >> >to
> >> >> > fly
> >> >> > >16 individual tracks to an external mixer..
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >;o)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >"Dominic" <bertstudio@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:43c7bbe7$1@linux...
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Looking for help mixing with PARIS outside the box.
> >> >> > >> How do you have it set up? What I was originally thinking was
> >> >> > >> to "external out" each channel but that would only get me 8
outs.
> >> >> > >> I an running 2 EDS cards so what is was thinking was to 8 out
> on
> >> >> > >> one card and 8 out on the other, but I would think there would
> >> >> > >> be an easier way.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >> >> > >> Thanx Dominic
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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