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Digital Noise 2 [message #107107]

Sun, 01 July 2012 07:59

danielcornelius

Messages: 171
Registered: May 2012

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The Digital Noise appears at startupsequenz of Computer when booting win XP.
I tried a lot, but i cannot stop Digital Noise. I located this digital Noise by Ensoiq Paris Sytem.
When i turned off Channels of Mixer (yamaha 03d ) where Paris is connected the digital Noise disappears.

I approved following steps :

- Deinstall all Fans(pull of wires of mainboard).
- Deinstall 4 HDD Raid 0,1 System and Install SSD Raid System.
- Change Power Supply.
- Deinstall RME 9632 Audiointerface by Pull of card from mainboard.
- Deinstall UAD 2 SOLO by Pull of card from mainboard.
- latest Bios Update.
- Install 50$ scherzo Driver.
- Run Paris 2.1

My Paris Setup is :

- EDS 1000 Card
- MEC
- 16C
- 8 Input Card
- 8 Output Card

OS Win XP SP 3 latest Updates.
Driver all latest Updates.

On Board Sound is off.
Used On Board Parallel Port, Lan, Grafic, USB, RAID Controller.

When i start the Parissoftware, Digital Noise will disappers. The Digital Noise appears at that moment if you do internal Routing for example: Routing of externel Effects.
Example of my patchbarouting can see it the following Picture. It will appears , when i am routing over Mec Module A 8 Input Card or MEC Master (A/D)too.
It doesn't appears when digital routing by example SPDIF In/Out is used.

Patchbarouting when Digital Noise appears :
index.php?t=getfile&id=819&private=0

Attachment: Noise_Patchbay_Internal_Routing.bmp
(Size: 1.37MB, Downloaded 397 times)

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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit

[Updated on: Sun, 01 July 2012 08:13]

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107108 is a reply to message #107107]

Sun, 01 July 2012 10:40

danielcornelius

Messages: 171
Registered: May 2012

Senior Member

At the next step i have checked the USB Ports by shut down per bios. But the noise stays Sad

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Is it possible that the EDS Card is damaged ?
I have disconnected the SCSI Plug( connectionwire between EDS 1000 an MEC) from EDS-Card and the digital Noise stays ! Evil or Very Mad

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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit

[Updated on: Mon, 02 July 2012 07:06]

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107109 is a reply to message #107107]

Mon, 02 July 2012 10:41

Wayne

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Registered: July 2008
Location: Las Vegas

Senior Member

I sometimes see very little noise at the bottom of a channel fader and the master. I can't hear it, but I can see it. For me it usually comes from a reverb in the aux. That's all I've ever seen.

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107110 is a reply to message #107107]

Mon, 02 July 2012 13:21

inkycu

Messages: 36
Registered: December 2010

Member

Might be a ground thing. If you are going between balanced and unbalanced connection you might want to check you shield ground wire. Any connection could add noise. Next would be to check AC ground.

I tried to use a digital cable from my Panasonic DAT to the Mec but also had noise...so I opted to feed the signal to my Mic-Pre.

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107112 is a reply to message #107110]

Tue, 03 July 2012 07:53

danielcornelius

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Registered: May 2012

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All connection are balanced at my setup. I discover another secret of the Digital world.
Let me explain :
I have got to motherboard of Asus. One wit triple core and the other with Quad core CPUs.
The newest board ( quadcore) god a software wich calibrate the cores of CPU ( AMD Phenom IIx4). After the core was calibrated, the most of digital Noise disapears. By Second Step i shut down the USB Ports, make a big thing of noise.
At least i have to change the Power supply, because there is a noise of AC, thx for first odler Noise Threat where i read that.
I will tell you if i know if it is works.

Now the new Problem is :
The paris Software 2.1, 2.2, an 3.0 don't run on my computer.

Software Paris 2.1, 2.2 Says : Error initializing Paris Engine code 1/1.
Software Paris 3.0 : I klick it, but do not start.

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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit

[Updated on: Wed, 04 July 2012 07:05]

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107115 is a reply to message #107112]

Thu, 05 July 2012 10:07

danielcornelius

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Registered: May 2012

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Digital noise makes me angry now.
Try to use 3 different boards.
Asus M3N78-VM
Asus p5....
Gigabyte Z68x-UD3h-b3 , Win 7 32 bit, CPU i5 2320

At gigabyte only used 1 Core of CPU. USB 3.0 is Disabled.
But this terrible noise is following me at start of Computer.
So at last step to check Paris Hardware, i went under roof and use it in an very old PC. Dust and death spiders comes out of case when i opend it Smile

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I pluged in the EDS Card and when it run i can't hear any noise.
I believe the fast multicore CPUs send out this digital noise.

My point of view is, Paris will die by highspeedmachines and for professional recording is it unusable.

I dont like to give up, but i dont know what i can do against digital noise !

No one there to keep my system alive ?

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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit

[Updated on: Thu, 05 July 2012 10:12]

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107116 is a reply to message #107115]

Thu, 05 July 2012 13:36

inkycu

Messages: 36
Registered: December 2010

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I built a triple core atx system with an asus mobo a couple years ago and everything still works perfect. I used to run paris on a win me system years ago and now it works much faster and just as clean on the newer win xp system.

Hope you can get your system working get your projects out.

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107117 is a reply to message #107116]

Fri, 06 July 2012 10:22

danielcornelius

Messages: 171
Registered: May 2012

Senior Member

Last step and it works. Try a third powersupply. EDS cards makes stable digital noise.
But AC noise disapears in this configuration.

Configuration of Hardware:

- EDS 1000 Card on PCI Slot 2
- Paris 3.0
- scherzodriver for dual core
- gigabyte mobo used type of this thread.
- i5 2320 quad core
- 4 gb kingston value ram
- powersupply : be quiet 450W
- mobo Gigabyte Z68x-UD3h-b3

Bios Configurations :

- Multicore off, runs only as one kernel cpu
- usb 3.0 off
- usb harddrivesupport off
- Ram lowest speed
- onboard sound off

It looks great Paris 3.0. But the DSP FXs don't run. I will look into this whole great forum for help, this threat would be only "digital Noise" Threat !

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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit

[Updated on: Fri, 06 July 2012 10:33]

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107119 is a reply to message #107107]

Sat, 07 July 2012 15:04

inkycu

Messages: 36
Registered: December 2010

Member

Hi,

You might want also try to check your recording room for unwanted noise..stuff like cpu fans, mec fan, AC...this may help to keep a good perspective...sometimes system noise is much less than your environment.

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107134 is a reply to message #107119]

Fri, 13 July 2012 12:31

danielcornelius

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Registered: May 2012

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I have checked this things, but the digital noise won*t disappears.
I have to root in patchbay some different way to have no d-noise.
I cannot use the 8 analog inputs with a root on the mixer.

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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107137 is a reply to message #107134]

Sat, 14 July 2012 06:58

dnafe

Messages: 390
Registered: February 2009

Senior Member

Digital noise?

Are they pops or clicks?

if so my first thought was power supply in your computer.

If it's a crackly-white noise sound then that could be anybody's guess

my $0.02 CAD @ 50% off

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Re: Digital Noise 2 [message #107142 is a reply to message #107137]

Sun, 15 July 2012 05:14

danielcornelius

Messages: 171
Registered: May 2012

Senior Member

it sounds like a dialing modem, but much lower. You have to turn amplifier very loud to hear it. You can see it in the Mixer of Parissoftware. One stripe of levelmeter holds green and second stripe is flickering all the time.

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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit

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