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| What to buy?: Sonar, Cubase, Live, hmmm [message #95736] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 17:50  |
emarenot
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Ok quad core is built and seems to be running just fine. I was going to use
Reaper as the main DAW, BUUUT, I need Acid-like functions. Specifically
the ability to audition loops tempo matched to the piece and easily load
them into a track. Live does this, as does Acid. Reaper doesn't. Damn.
I'm going to try and rewire Live (I've got the 7.0.2 demo) into Reaper and
see how that goes. But I really just want to stay with ONE app in ONE box.
I was thinking about Live, but the demo I've been using is acting really
funny. Multiple envelopes and I'm getting crackles and pops. One would
think its a latency issue, but nope, I've got only 10 tracks running and
Live's own cpu meter says like 6%. (Oh, and 15+ tracks in Reaper -no pops
and crackles.) And, I guess I'm not alone in the problem. Other guys have
reported similar concerns on the Live forums. THis is a deal breaker -unpredictable
popping: mondo drag. SO....I'm thinking Sonar. I called Sweetwater to confirm
that Sonar would behave like Acid -preview loops at project tempo and playback
at project tempo. The guy I talked to, he doesn't know.... I recall some
of you good folks using Sonar -is Sonar on Acid?
MR
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| Re: What to buy?: Sonar, Cubase, Live, hmmm [message #95737 is a reply to message #95736] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 17:02  |
Aaron Allen
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SONAR is my 'go to' for midi and sequence building. Yes, it does loop
stretching, like acid. And the artifacts are quite livable. The mixbus has
improved greatly. Precision and automation are great. Dxi/VSTi capable.
DX/VST capable.
My only complaint really is that it doesn't do low latency all that well...
yet.. but for what I'm using it for it smokes. I can see the day when I
leave Paris that Sonar will be my choice.
AA
"Mike R" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:47aba75e$1@linux...
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> Ok quad core is built and seems to be running just fine. I was going to
> use
> Reaper as the main DAW, BUUUT, I need Acid-like functions. Specifically
> the ability to audition loops tempo matched to the piece and easily load
> them into a track. Live does this, as does Acid. Reaper doesn't. Damn.
> I'm going to try and rewire Live (I've got the 7.0.2 demo) into Reaper and
> see how that goes. But I really just want to stay with ONE app in ONE
> box.
> I was thinking about Live, but the demo I've been using is acting really
> funny. Multiple envelopes and I'm getting crackles and pops. One would
> think its a latency issue, but nope, I've got only 10 tracks running and
> Live's own cpu meter says like 6%. (Oh, and 15+ tracks in Reaper -no pops
> and crackles.) And, I guess I'm not alone in the problem. Other guys have
> reported similar concerns on the Live forums. THis is a deal
> breaker -unpredictable
> popping: mondo drag. SO....I'm thinking Sonar. I called Sweetwater to
> confirm
> that Sonar would behave like Acid -preview loops at project tempo and
> playback
> at project tempo. The guy I talked to, he doesn't know.... I recall some
> of you good folks using Sonar -is Sonar on Acid?
> MR
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| Re: What to buy?: Sonar, Cubase, Live, hmmm [message #95739 is a reply to message #95736] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 17:13 |
Dedric Terry
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Registered: June 2007
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Mike - Sonar and Cubase will preview and import acidized wav files, and
tempo match.
Cubase has Media Bay which allows you to browse media files, and if desired
preview at project
tempo, or the file's original tempo. In Sonar 7 when importing audio, the
file will preview
at project tempo.
Dedric
"Mike R" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:47aba75e$1@linux...
>
> Ok quad core is built and seems to be running just fine. I was going to
> use
> Reaper as the main DAW, BUUUT, I need Acid-like functions. Specifically
> the ability to audition loops tempo matched to the piece and easily load
> them into a track. Live does this, as does Acid. Reaper doesn't. Damn.
> I'm going to try and rewire Live (I've got the 7.0.2 demo) into Reaper and
> see how that goes. But I really just want to stay with ONE app in ONE
> box.
> I was thinking about Live, but the demo I've been using is acting really
> funny. Multiple envelopes and I'm getting crackles and pops. One would
> think its a latency issue, but nope, I've got only 10 tracks running and
> Live's own cpu meter says like 6%. (Oh, and 15+ tracks in Reaper -no pops
> and crackles.) And, I guess I'm not alone in the problem. Other guys have
> reported similar concerns on the Live forums. THis is a deal
> breaker -unpredictable
> popping: mondo drag. SO....I'm thinking Sonar. I called Sweetwater to
> confirm
> that Sonar would behave like Acid -preview loops at project tempo and
> playback
> at project tempo. The guy I talked to, he doesn't know.... I recall some
> of you good folks using Sonar -is Sonar on Acid?
> MR
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| Re: What to buy?: Sonar, Cubase, Live, hmmm [message #95759 is a reply to message #95736] |
Fri, 08 February 2008 10:39 |
TCB
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Registered: July 2007
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They're all fine apps. I haven't used Sonar since probably version 5 or so,
but they're really committed to Windows and at least won't abscond to another
platform and leave you screwed. Not that I'm mentioning [logic] any company
[emagic] in [screwed their Windows users] particular. It will do all of the
stuff you're asking about, but will be some overkill as well.
I'm a loud and long standing proponent of Live, it's more than just a looping
app, though it's probably the best looping app that ever has been. I haven't
had any problems but I have a pretty vanilla platform I run things on and
it's unusually stable. Running a quad core right now is slightly gutsy, I'd
certainly talk to Ableton before dismissing the app outright.
SX 4, as I said here earlier, is a pretty massive update over SX 3. The Media
bay is cool and would work for what you want. I'm also a long time SX user.
Any of these might also replace Reaper as your 'go to' tracker over time
as well. Or they might not. All pretty good stuff though.
TCB
"Mike R" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Ok quad core is built and seems to be running just fine. I was going to
use
>Reaper as the main DAW, BUUUT, I need Acid-like functions. Specifically
>the ability to audition loops tempo matched to the piece and easily load
>them into a track. Live does this, as does Acid. Reaper doesn't. Damn.
>I'm going to try and rewire Live (I've got the 7.0.2 demo) into Reaper and
>see how that goes. But I really just want to stay with ONE app in ONE box.
> I was thinking about Live, but the demo I've been using is acting really
>funny. Multiple envelopes and I'm getting crackles and pops. One would
>think its a latency issue, but nope, I've got only 10 tracks running and
>Live's own cpu meter says like 6%. (Oh, and 15+ tracks in Reaper -no pops
>and crackles.) And, I guess I'm not alone in the problem. Other guys have
>reported similar concerns on the Live forums. THis is a deal breaker -unpredictable
>popping: mondo drag. SO....I'm thinking Sonar. I called Sweetwater to confirm
>that Sonar would behave like Acid -preview loops at project tempo and playback
>at project tempo. The guy I talked to, he doesn't know.... I recall some
>of you good folks using Sonar -is Sonar on Acid?
>MR
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