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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73128 is a reply to message #73116] |
Tue, 26 September 2006 17:14   |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to a
cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
industry standard).
I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results -
motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset that
isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it could
be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire, DDR2,
SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine in
typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if you run
really high track counts).
Dedric
On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
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> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell gear for
> a living at work,
>
> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies to hash
> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives. What's
> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1 that
> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need it less
> with the native f/x.
>
> TCB
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>
>>> TCB
>>
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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73131 is a reply to message #73128] |
Tue, 26 September 2006 19:34 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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How long ago was this? I used to shy away from some 'commodity' manufacturers
but when I look under the hood these days it looks like they're using nearly
identical core chipsets to the ASUS and Chaintechs of the world. The differences
are in extras, gigabit networking, Promise SATA controllers, stuff like that.
Maybe I'll test the theory. My old audio machine (an old Athlon box) is in
bad shape. I was going to hold out for a fancy quad core but maybe I'll snap
up one of these Dells and see if I can make into an audio box.
Anybody want to bet against me?
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
>editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
>display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to a
>cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
>industry standard).
>
>I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
>
>If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
>audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results -
>motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset that
>isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it could
>be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire, DDR2,
>SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine in
>typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if you
run
>really high track counts).
>
>Dedric
>
>On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell gear
for
>> a living at work,
>>
>> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies to hash
>> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives. What's
>> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1 that
>> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need it less
>> with the native f/x.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>
>>
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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73155 is a reply to message #73131] |
Wed, 27 September 2006 14:22 |
macle
Messages: 47
Registered: July 2006
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I don't want to bet against you. In fact, if it works out great,
I'd probably copy you.
I've been trying to figure out what to get for a new PC, and I
find the whole thing very much a drag (if I were richer, I
suppose I would get some overpriced pre-configured audio
computer).
Pro Tools has computer recommendations, and some Dell worksations are listed,
which end up being around $3500!
How many PCI slots are there? I was thinking I would want to use
the new computer for Paris as well as a native firewire setup,
but now I'm thinking to screw that. So I'd really only need
a slot for a UAD card I guess.
Can you add 1 or 2 extra hard drives?
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>How long ago was this? I used to shy away from some 'commodity' manufacturers
>but when I look under the hood these days it looks like they're using nearly
>identical core chipsets to the ASUS and Chaintechs of the world. The differences
>are in extras, gigabit networking, Promise SATA controllers, stuff like
that.
>
>
>Maybe I'll test the theory. My old audio machine (an old Athlon box) is
in
>bad shape. I was going to hold out for a fancy quad core but maybe I'll
snap
>up one of these Dells and see if I can make into an audio box.
>
>Anybody want to bet against me?
>
>TCB
>
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
>>editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
>>display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to a
>>cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
>>industry standard).
>>
>>I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
>>
>>If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
>>audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results -
>>motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset that
>>isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it could
>>be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire, DDR2,
>>SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine in
>>typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if you
>run
>>really high track counts).
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell gear
>for
>>> a living at work,
>>>
>>> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies to
hash
>>> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives. What's
>>> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1
that
>>> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need it
less
>>> with the native f/x.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>>>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73173 is a reply to message #73155] |
Thu, 28 September 2006 07:03 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Room for an extra drive, or to replace the current one. 750 GB drives are
an option now, and a RAID 5 NAS unit is probably a better idea then keeping
everything locally anyway. The machine in question has two PCI slots and
one PCI-E.
I'm 99% sure I'm going to do this, I'll keep people here posted.
TCB
"macle" <Mates9999@cs.com> wrote:
>
>I don't want to bet against you. In fact, if it works out great,
>I'd probably copy you.
>
>I've been trying to figure out what to get for a new PC, and I
>find the whole thing very much a drag (if I were richer, I
>suppose I would get some overpriced pre-configured audio
>computer).
>
>Pro Tools has computer recommendations, and some Dell worksations are listed,
>which end up being around $3500!
>
>How many PCI slots are there? I was thinking I would want to use
>the new computer for Paris as well as a native firewire setup,
>but now I'm thinking to screw that. So I'd really only need
>a slot for a UAD card I guess.
>
>Can you add 1 or 2 extra hard drives?
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>How long ago was this? I used to shy away from some 'commodity' manufacturers
>>but when I look under the hood these days it looks like they're using nearly
>>identical core chipsets to the ASUS and Chaintechs of the world. The differences
>>are in extras, gigabit networking, Promise SATA controllers, stuff like
>that.
>>
>>
>>Maybe I'll test the theory. My old audio machine (an old Athlon box) is
>in
>>bad shape. I was going to hold out for a fancy quad core but maybe I'll
>snap
>>up one of these Dells and see if I can make into an audio box.
>>
>>Anybody want to bet against me?
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
>>>editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
>>>display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to
a
>>>cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
>>>industry standard).
>>>
>>>I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
>>>
>>>If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
>>>audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results -
>>>motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset
that
>>>isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it could
>>>be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire,
DDR2,
>>>SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine in
>>>typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if you
>>run
>>>really high track counts).
>>>
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell
gear
>>for
>>>> a living at work,
>>>>
>>>> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies to
>hash
>>>> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives. What's
>>>> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1
>that
>>>> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need it
>less
>>>> with the native f/x.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>>>>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73176 is a reply to message #73173] |
Thu, 28 September 2006 07:22 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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How about this one instead?
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/HP-Pavilion-Media-Center-Desk top-PC-A1600N/sem/rpsm/oid/160199/catOid/-12962/rpem/ccd/pro ductDetail.do
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Room for an extra drive, or to replace the current one. 750 GB drives are
>an option now, and a RAID 5 NAS unit is probably a better idea then keeping
>everything locally anyway. The machine in question has two PCI slots and
>one PCI-E.
>
>I'm 99% sure I'm going to do this, I'll keep people here posted.
>
>TCB
>
>"macle" <Mates9999@cs.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't want to bet against you. In fact, if it works out great,
>>I'd probably copy you.
>>
>>I've been trying to figure out what to get for a new PC, and I
>>find the whole thing very much a drag (if I were richer, I
>>suppose I would get some overpriced pre-configured audio
>>computer).
>>
>>Pro Tools has computer recommendations, and some Dell worksations are listed,
>>which end up being around $3500!
>>
>>How many PCI slots are there? I was thinking I would want to use
>>the new computer for Paris as well as a native firewire setup,
>>but now I'm thinking to screw that. So I'd really only need
>>a slot for a UAD card I guess.
>>
>>Can you add 1 or 2 extra hard drives?
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>How long ago was this? I used to shy away from some 'commodity' manufacturers
>>>but when I look under the hood these days it looks like they're using
nearly
>>>identical core chipsets to the ASUS and Chaintechs of the world. The differences
>>>are in extras, gigabit networking, Promise SATA controllers, stuff like
>>that.
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe I'll test the theory. My old audio machine (an old Athlon box) is
>>in
>>>bad shape. I was going to hold out for a fancy quad core but maybe I'll
>>snap
>>>up one of these Dells and see if I can make into an audio box.
>>>
>>>Anybody want to bet against me?
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
>>>>editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
>>>>display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to
>a
>>>>cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
>>>>industry standard).
>>>>
>>>>I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
>>>>
>>>>If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
>>>>audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results
-
>>>>motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset
>that
>>>>isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it
could
>>>>be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire,
>DDR2,
>>>>SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine
in
>>>>typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if you
>>>run
>>>>really high track counts).
>>>>
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell
>gear
>>>for
>>>>> a living at work,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies to
>>hash
>>>>> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives.
What's
>>>>> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1
>>that
>>>>> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need it
>>less
>>>>> with the native f/x.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>>>>>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73219 is a reply to message #73173] |
Thu, 28 September 2006 13:46 |
macle
Messages: 47
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I googled "RAID 5 NAS"...still not sure what it is. I found
some things that looked to be well over a $1000 (thatsa no good), or other
build it yourself things (thatsa not so good either).
I suppose 2 drives could be alright, although I'm using 3 now.
One for the OS, one for audio, and one for sounds (Giga sounds,
etc., plus I usually throw backups of songs on the 3rd drive).
Thanks very much, do keep us posted. I'm interested.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Room for an extra drive, or to replace the current one. 750 GB drives are
>an option now, and a RAID 5 NAS unit is probably a better idea then keeping
>everything locally anyway. The machine in question has two PCI slots and
>one PCI-E.
>
>I'm 99% sure I'm going to do this, I'll keep people here posted.
>
>TCB
>
>"macle" <Mates9999@cs.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't want to bet against you. In fact, if it works out great,
>>I'd probably copy you.
>>
>>I've been trying to figure out what to get for a new PC, and I
>>find the whole thing very much a drag (if I were richer, I
>>suppose I would get some overpriced pre-configured audio
>>computer).
>>
>>Pro Tools has computer recommendations, and some Dell worksations are listed,
>>which end up being around $3500!
>>
>>How many PCI slots are there? I was thinking I would want to use
>>the new computer for Paris as well as a native firewire setup,
>>but now I'm thinking to screw that. So I'd really only need
>>a slot for a UAD card I guess.
>>
>>Can you add 1 or 2 extra hard drives?
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>How long ago was this? I used to shy away from some 'commodity' manufacturers
>>>but when I look under the hood these days it looks like they're using
nearly
>>>identical core chipsets to the ASUS and Chaintechs of the world. The differences
>>>are in extras, gigabit networking, Promise SATA controllers, stuff like
>>that.
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe I'll test the theory. My old audio machine (an old Athlon box) is
>>in
>>>bad shape. I was going to hold out for a fancy quad core but maybe I'll
>>snap
>>>up one of these Dells and see if I can make into an audio box.
>>>
>>>Anybody want to bet against me?
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
>>>>editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
>>>>display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to
>a
>>>>cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
>>>>industry standard).
>>>>
>>>>I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
>>>>
>>>>If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
>>>>audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results
-
>>>>motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset
>that
>>>>isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it
could
>>>>be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire,
>DDR2,
>>>>SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine
in
>>>>typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if you
>>>run
>>>>really high track counts).
>>>>
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell
>gear
>>>for
>>>>> a living at work,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies to
>>hash
>>>>> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives.
What's
>>>>> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1
>>that
>>>>> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need it
>>less
>>>>> with the native f/x.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>>>>>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73220 is a reply to message #73176] |
Thu, 28 September 2006 13:59 |
macle
Messages: 47
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Wow, that looks pretty good. Twice the ram. Plus, with a CRT
monitor. The Dell has a flat panel, but I don't think I care about
that. The Dell's drive is smaller but 7200, the HP is 5400, but
that's the OS, so does that matter? The HP has no floppy drive.
I guess no one uses those, but I think I need one occasionally.
Still, if you match up the Dell Ram-wise, etc., I think that is
now somewhere near $700, and the HP is just ovr $500 (after
rebates!).
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>How about this one instead?
>
> http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/HP-Pavilion-Media-Center-Desk top-PC-A1600N/sem/rpsm/oid/160199/catOid/-12962/rpem/ccd/pro ductDetail.do
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Room for an extra drive, or to replace the current one. 750 GB drives are
>>an option now, and a RAID 5 NAS unit is probably a better idea then keeping
>>everything locally anyway. The machine in question has two PCI slots and
>>one PCI-E.
>>
>>I'm 99% sure I'm going to do this, I'll keep people here posted.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"macle" <Mates9999@cs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I don't want to bet against you. In fact, if it works out great,
>>>I'd probably copy you.
>>>
>>>I've been trying to figure out what to get for a new PC, and I
>>>find the whole thing very much a drag (if I were richer, I
>>>suppose I would get some overpriced pre-configured audio
>>>computer).
>>>
>>>Pro Tools has computer recommendations, and some Dell worksations are
listed,
>>>which end up being around $3500!
>>>
>>>How many PCI slots are there? I was thinking I would want to use
>>>the new computer for Paris as well as a native firewire setup,
>>>but now I'm thinking to screw that. So I'd really only need
>>>a slot for a UAD card I guess.
>>>
>>>Can you add 1 or 2 extra hard drives?
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>How long ago was this? I used to shy away from some 'commodity' manufacturers
>>>>but when I look under the hood these days it looks like they're using
>nearly
>>>>identical core chipsets to the ASUS and Chaintechs of the world. The
differences
>>>>are in extras, gigabit networking, Promise SATA controllers, stuff like
>>>that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I'll test the theory. My old audio machine (an old Athlon box)
is
>>>in
>>>>bad shape. I was going to hold out for a fancy quad core but maybe I'll
>>>snap
>>>>up one of these Dells and see if I can make into an audio box.
>>>>
>>>>Anybody want to bet against me?
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
>>>>>editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
>>>>>display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to
>>a
>>>>>cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
>>>>>industry standard).
>>>>>
>>>>>I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
>>>>>audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results
>-
>>>>>motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset
>>that
>>>>>isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it
>could
>>>>>be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire,
>>DDR2,
>>>>>SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine
>in
>>>>>typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if
you
>>>>run
>>>>>really high track counts).
>>>>>
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell
>>gear
>>>>for
>>>>>> a living at work,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies
to
>>>hash
>>>>>> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives.
>What's
>>>>>> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1
>>>that
>>>>>> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need
it
>>>less
>>>>>> with the native f/x.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>>>>>>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73245 is a reply to message #73131] |
Thu, 28 September 2006 21:09 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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It was about 2-3 years ago, which in reality is an eternity in the tech
world, so hardly a strong case against Dell - just one experience in
general. I've seen some Dells on the other native DAW forums (Nuendo,
Samplitude at least), so they work fine for a lot of people. This was also
a system they had been using, not bought with video in mind - just bought
based on price alone.
Why not hold out 5 years - Intel is promising 80 cores by then. 80... That
should run a boatload of convolution reverbs at 24/192k.
Dedric
On 9/26/06 8:34 PM, in article 4519e34c$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
>
> How long ago was this? I used to shy away from some 'commodity' manufacturers
> but when I look under the hood these days it looks like they're using nearly
> identical core chipsets to the ASUS and Chaintechs of the world. The
> differences
> are in extras, gigabit networking, Promise SATA controllers, stuff like that.
>
>
> Maybe I'll test the theory. My old audio machine (an old Athlon box) is in
> bad shape. I was going to hold out for a fancy quad core but maybe I'll snap
> up one of these Dells and see if I can make into an audio box.
>
> Anybody want to bet against me?
>
> TCB
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
>> editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
>> display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to a
>> cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
>> industry standard).
>>
>> I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
>>
>> If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
>> audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results -
>> motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset that
>> isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it could
>> be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire, DDR2,
>> SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine in
>> typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if you
> run
>> really high track counts).
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell gear
> for
>>> a living at work,
>>>
>>> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies to hash
>>> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives. What's
>>> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1 that
>>> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need it less
>>> with the native f/x.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>>>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Riddle me this [message #73265 is a reply to message #73176] |
Fri, 29 September 2006 07:12 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Definitely not a bad machine, but the Dell lets me a) drop the display and
b) add a cheap video card. The nVidia 6150 LE chipset shares main memory
which is usually a no-no for any real time work. I have a Dell spec'd out
for around $500 that looks pretty damn good. I just haven't pulled the trigger
on it quite yet.
I'll let y'all know how/if it works out,
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>How about this one instead?
>
> http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/HP-Pavilion-Media-Center-Desk top-PC-A1600N/sem/rpsm/oid/160199/catOid/-12962/rpem/ccd/pro ductDetail.do
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Room for an extra drive, or to replace the current one. 750 GB drives are
>>an option now, and a RAID 5 NAS unit is probably a better idea then keeping
>>everything locally anyway. The machine in question has two PCI slots and
>>one PCI-E.
>>
>>I'm 99% sure I'm going to do this, I'll keep people here posted.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"macle" <Mates9999@cs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I don't want to bet against you. In fact, if it works out great,
>>>I'd probably copy you.
>>>
>>>I've been trying to figure out what to get for a new PC, and I
>>>find the whole thing very much a drag (if I were richer, I
>>>suppose I would get some overpriced pre-configured audio
>>>computer).
>>>
>>>Pro Tools has computer recommendations, and some Dell worksations are
listed,
>>>which end up being around $3500!
>>>
>>>How many PCI slots are there? I was thinking I would want to use
>>>the new computer for Paris as well as a native firewire setup,
>>>but now I'm thinking to screw that. So I'd really only need
>>>a slot for a UAD card I guess.
>>>
>>>Can you add 1 or 2 extra hard drives?
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>How long ago was this? I used to shy away from some 'commodity' manufacturers
>>>>but when I look under the hood these days it looks like they're using
>nearly
>>>>identical core chipsets to the ASUS and Chaintechs of the world. The
differences
>>>>are in extras, gigabit networking, Promise SATA controllers, stuff like
>>>that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I'll test the theory. My old audio machine (an old Athlon box)
is
>>>in
>>>>bad shape. I was going to hold out for a fancy quad core but maybe I'll
>>>snap
>>>>up one of these Dells and see if I can make into an audio box.
>>>>
>>>>Anybody want to bet against me?
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>I think it depends on the use and the model. We had a Dell for video
>>>>>editing at a previous job - tried to add a new video card to get a dual
>>>>>display and it caused nothing but headaches, but I attributed that to
>>a
>>>>>cheap motherboard more than anything (everything in this model was cheap/not
>>>>>industry standard).
>>>>>
>>>>>I built a custom system for them and it ran great.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you are mixing RME cards (or others even) and UAD-1s (then add firewire
>>>>>audio perhaps), I wouldn't go off the shelf and expect great results
>-
>>>>>motherboards are too fickle (e.g. you could get stuck with an chipset
>>that
>>>>>isn't going to work or a slow PCI buss, unless you go PCI-E, then it
>could
>>>>>be a toss up until you test it in practice). Otherwise, TI firewire,
>>DDR2,
>>>>>SATA, etc should be fine, unless you go SATA raid.... (may work fine
>in
>>>>>typical data storage, but with audio chipsets can be problematic if
you
>>>>run
>>>>>really high track counts).
>>>>>
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>On 9/26/06 11:49 AM, in article 45196819$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Total crap. That's why I run a few hundred thousand dollars of Dell
>>gear
>>>>for
>>>>>> a living at work,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's an integrated nVidia AMD chipset, I'll bet you hash brownies
to
>>>hash
>>>>>> browns (or perl hashes) a TI firewire chip, DDR2 RAM, SATA drives.
>What's
>>>>>> missing? Maybe upgrade My audio cards are firewire, I have one UAD-1
>>>that
>>>>>> I'll have to replace soon anyway with a PCI-E card, and I'll need
it
>>>less
>>>>>> with the native f/x.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you think Dell would be a good DAW PC? I understand they're
>>>>>>> decent, but often not very robust.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beat this config for anything near the price.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/q7shy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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