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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70955 is a reply to message #70952] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 06:29   |
excelav
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>Yep..These are the new woodcrest.. These macs are looking better all the
time.
>Now Mr Jobs can respot some real world speed hype instead of that BS he
spewed
>for years...
>
>I love Logic audio, but when Apple dropped PC support they cornered themselves
>in a one way markey. it's a knowq fact that Pro Toosl run circles on a decent
>PC than a Mac G4, or G5. My question is: Why do I need a Mac?
>
>LaMont
You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
James
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>
>>;oD
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
a
>lot
>>> of machine.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>> >
>>> >http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>> >
>>> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>> >
>>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70957 is a reply to message #70954] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 06:33 |
excelav
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rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>to make james happy??? ;o)
LOL! Thanks Rick. Hey my offer still stands, I'll trade you my P4 PC for
your current Mac; )
James
>
>On 8 Aug 2006 15:52:54 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>>
>>Yep..These are the new woodcrest.. These macs are looking better all the
time.
>>Now Mr Jobs can respot some real world speed hype instead of that BS he
spewed
>>for years...
>>
>>I love Logic audio, but when Apple dropped PC support they cornered themselves
>>in a one way markey. it's a knowq fact that Pro Toosl run circles on a
decent
>>PC than a Mac G4, or G5. My question is: Why do I need a Mac?
>>
>>LaMont
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>
>>>;oD
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
a
>>lot
>>>> of machine.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>> >
>>>> >http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>> >
>>>> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>> >
>>>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70958 is a reply to message #70955] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 07:29 |
Dedric Terry
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Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able to
build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows. While
this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers on
Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most bloated
(given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac path
a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically like
Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
Dedric
On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>
> James
>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>
>>> ;oD
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
> a
>> lot
>>>> of machine.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70959 is a reply to message #70958] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 10:30 |
TCB
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Well, there already have been some apples to apples comparisons of multiple
OS's on Apple hardware. And I got yelled at around here when I discussed
them. Unless major changes have been made to OS X.NewKitty highly multi-threaded
apps will lag on that OS. How multi-threaded is Nuendo? My guess would be
very, but I can't say for sure. I _can_ say that plug-in coders I know have
been doing as much as they can to use multiple threads for a long time now,
but that some audio processes lend themselves very well to lots of threads
while others don't. So a better question might be how Nuendo plus the particular
set of plug-ins and software instruments a particular person might use would
work on either OS. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
I'm guessing AMD will be forced to dramatically reduce the cost of their
gear to keep up in the bang for buck race. So I might be looking at a dual
AMD beast to replace my current audio box. We'll see.
It's funny, when you think about it. Probably the main reason XP has pretty
decent multi-threading performance is not because M$oft wanted it there but
because it's grandparents ran on DEC Alpha servers that were pretty seriously
multi-processor. We still have a few NT 4 boxes where I work and if you use
the right hardware on them, and you take the time to get them working well,
they're bulletproof. Connect an external CD drive and she's probably toast,
but M$oft got a little lucky with that code purchase. And, of course, that
other little OS named after Deborah and Ian gobbles up those multi-threaded
apps--if only Live ran on it . . .
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
to
>build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows. While
>this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>
>It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
on
>Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most bloated
>(given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>
>The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac path
>a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically like
>Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>
>> James
>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>>
>>>> ;oD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>> a
>>> lot
>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70960 is a reply to message #70943] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 10:38 |
Paul Braun
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:24:30 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>
If you're not ready to buy this instant, it would be worth your while
to wait a couple of months until they upgrade to the Conroe chips.
The upcoming MacBook Pro will use the Merom chip, which is the newer
Core2 Extreme mobile chip. Is full 64-bit, has twice the L2 cache,
and has more of a bunch of other chip geek things I don't really
understand but know that "more is gooder".
I'm glad I didn't have the money to buy one before - I should be in
the market late September or early October, after the new ones are
shipping.
pab
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70961 is a reply to message #70957] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 11:58 |
rick
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thanks but i need it for dp and logic.
On 8 Aug 2006 23:33:34 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>to make james happy??? ;o)
>
>LOL! Thanks Rick. Hey my offer still stands, I'll trade you my P4 PC for
>your current Mac; )
>
>James
>>
>>On 8 Aug 2006 15:52:54 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Yep..These are the new woodcrest.. These macs are looking better all the
>time.
>>>Now Mr Jobs can respot some real world speed hype instead of that BS he
>spewed
>>>for years...
>>>
>>>I love Logic audio, but when Apple dropped PC support they cornered themselves
>>>in a one way markey. it's a knowq fact that Pro Toosl run circles on a
>decent
>>>PC than a Mac G4, or G5. My question is: Why do I need a Mac?
>>>
>>>LaMont
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>>
>>>>;oD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>a
>>>lot
>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70967 is a reply to message #70961] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 14:36 |
excelav
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rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>thanks but i need it for dp and logic.
You don't need no stinkin dp and Logic!
; 0
>
>On 8 Aug 2006 23:33:34 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>to make james happy??? ;o)
>>
>>LOL! Thanks Rick. Hey my offer still stands, I'll trade you my P4 PC
for
>>your current Mac; )
>>
>>James
>>>
>>>On 8 Aug 2006 15:52:54 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yep..These are the new woodcrest.. These macs are looking better all
the
>>time.
>>>>Now Mr Jobs can respot some real world speed hype instead of that BS
he
>>spewed
>>>>for years...
>>>>
>>>>I love Logic audio, but when Apple dropped PC support they cornered themselves
>>>>in a one way markey. it's a knowq fact that Pro Toosl run circles on
a
>>decent
>>>>PC than a Mac G4, or G5. My question is: Why do I need a Mac?
>>>>
>>>>LaMont
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>;oD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>>a
>>>>lot
>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70969 is a reply to message #70958] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 14:45 |
LaMont
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Hey Dedric,
"OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users"
That's actually Steinberges fault. They did a "crappy" port over to Cubase
& Neundo to the Mac platform. As everyone knows, Nuendo was first coded natively
for UNIX (SGI) platform, they scrapped that project and re-coded for win2k
natively. Then, for the Mac users, they did a "chessy" emulator port over.
tey did not re-coded for Mac OS or OS-X.
It's strange becuase, Steinberg's Cubase use to be a Mac coded app, and the
fools(like me) who purchased Cubase for the Pc got the worst software DAW
ever invented.
All in all, until all of these companies(DAW) start re-writting their DAW
code from scrath for a specific OS, we're going to contine to see major performance
differences that no amount of CPU power can overcome.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
to
>build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows. While
>this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>
>It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
on
>Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most bloated
>(given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>
>The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac path
>a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically like
>Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>
>> James
>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>>
>>>> ;oD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>> a
>>> lot
>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70970 is a reply to message #70958] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 15:07 |
excelav
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I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well on
a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short order.
As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they have
for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for others
it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software than
a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete with
what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high end
machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video. Sure
you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll save
money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours tweaking,
and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then there's
the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you want
to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
James
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
to
>build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows. While
>this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>
>It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
on
>Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most bloated
>(given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>
>The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac path
>a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically like
>Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>
>> James
>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>>
>>>> ;oD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>> a
>>> lot
>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70973 is a reply to message #70970] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 19:29 |
Dedric Terry
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James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset department
(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100. Also,
replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options for
on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With a
PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system drive
twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able to
find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night I
tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find one
that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between Macs
and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the best
move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or widespread
availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do your
own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every new
model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put them.
So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't. It
just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
haven't used both though.
Regards,
Dedric
On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well on
> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short order.
>
> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they have
> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for others
> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software than
> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>
> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete with
> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high end
> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video. Sure
> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll save
> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours tweaking,
> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>
> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
> there's
> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you want
> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>
> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>
> James
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
> to
>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows. While
>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
> on
>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most bloated
>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>
>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac path
>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically like
>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>>> a
>>>> lot
>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70975 is a reply to message #70973] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 20:37 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
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|
Hi Dedric,
I don't want to be putting words in James' mouth, but I think he's said here
that switching to a Mac if you're a PC person, isn't a great idea. You're
right, it makes no sense. But for us Mac people, being able to run PC
programs natively is a pretty cool thing. Not that I want to do that as I
have other PC's in the house, but still it's a pretty cool thing.
The expensive Mac mother board is partly a supply and demand thing. I mean a
hundred companies make a billion different PC mother boards and since the
platform has 95% of the market, prices will be much lower. It still sucks
though and I understand that. I've never understood the "certified" DVD/CD
drive thing with Apple. That's just dumb in this day and age.
Remember also, that though you've never had certain problems with your PC's,
many of us have never had problems with our Macs and I've had about 10 or so
over the years. I've never had a system drive go bad on a Mac, but since the
same companies make the drives for both platforms, it's just luck of the
draw as far as I'm concerned. I could buy a decked out new Pro Mac though
with what I've spent repairing PC's.
My mantra is use what you're comfortable with and what works for you and
screw the rest.
I do really hope that Apple can stick around though. Choice is a good thing
and I think Bill has enough control of the world as it is. ;>)
Tony
On 8/8/06 9:29 PM, in article C0FEA4A3.2266%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
> relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>
> As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset department
> (cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
> bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
> are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
> motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100. Also,
> replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
> limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options for
> on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With a
> PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system drive
> twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>
> As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
> can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able to
> find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night I
> tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find one
> that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
> Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>
> In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between Macs
> and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
> from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
> start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
> first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>
> In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the best
> move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
> apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or widespread
> availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
> options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do your
> own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
> competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every new
> model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
> winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put them.
>
> So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
> costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't. It
> just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
> haven't used both though.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well on
>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short order.
>>
>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they have
>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for others
>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software than
>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>
>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete with
>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high end
>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video. Sure
>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll save
>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>> tweaking,
>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>
>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>> there's
>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you want
>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
>> to
>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows. While
>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>> on
>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most bloated
>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>
>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac path
>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically like
>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>>>> a
>>>>> lot
>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70976 is a reply to message #70975] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 20:39 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Can Mac OS (name your kitty cat) defrag it's own system drive now or do you
stiill need a third party utility?
(sorry........still on G4/OS 9.2 here)
Deej
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:C0FEC298.1933D%tony@standinghampton.com...
> Hi Dedric,
>
> I don't want to be putting words in James' mouth, but I think he's said
here
> that switching to a Mac if you're a PC person, isn't a great idea. You're
> right, it makes no sense. But for us Mac people, being able to run PC
> programs natively is a pretty cool thing. Not that I want to do that as I
> have other PC's in the house, but still it's a pretty cool thing.
>
> The expensive Mac mother board is partly a supply and demand thing. I mean
a
> hundred companies make a billion different PC mother boards and since the
> platform has 95% of the market, prices will be much lower. It still sucks
> though and I understand that. I've never understood the "certified" DVD/CD
> drive thing with Apple. That's just dumb in this day and age.
>
> Remember also, that though you've never had certain problems with your
PC's,
> many of us have never had problems with our Macs and I've had about 10 or
so
> over the years. I've never had a system drive go bad on a Mac, but since
the
> same companies make the drives for both platforms, it's just luck of the
> draw as far as I'm concerned. I could buy a decked out new Pro Mac though
> with what I've spent repairing PC's.
>
> My mantra is use what you're comfortable with and what works for you and
> screw the rest.
>
> I do really hope that Apple can stick around though. Choice is a good
thing
> and I think Bill has enough control of the world as it is. ;>)
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On 8/8/06 9:29 PM, in article C0FEA4A3.2266%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
> Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>
> > James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
only
> > relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
> >
> > As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
department
> > (cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
> > bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
we
> > are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
> > motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
Also,
> > replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
> > limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
for
> > on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
a
> > PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
drive
> > twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
> >
> > As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
you
> > can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
able to
> > find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
night I
> > tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
one
> > that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
OSX
> > Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
> >
> > In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
Macs
> > and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
> > from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
users
> > start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
> > first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
> >
> > In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
best
> > move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
> > apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
widespread
> > availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
repair
> > options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
your
> > own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
> > competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
new
> > model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
> > winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
them.
> >
> > So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
and
> > costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
It
> > just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
> > haven't used both though.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dedric
> >
> > On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> > <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
on
> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
order.
> >>
> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
have
> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
others
> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
software
> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
than
> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
easier,
> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
> >>
> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
with
> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
end
> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
Sure
> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
save
> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
> >> tweaking,
> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
> >>
> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
> >> there's
> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
want
> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >>
> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
able
> >> to
> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
While
> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
system,
> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
> >>>
> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
numbers
> >> on
> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
bloated
> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
oranges).
> >>>
> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
path
> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
lower
> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
FXTeleport.
> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
like
> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
users.
> >>>
> >>> Dedric
> >>>
> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
you'll
> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
> >>>>
> >>>> James
> >>>>
> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
> >>>>>> understand.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ;oD
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
it's
> >>>> a
> >>>>> lot
> >>>>>>> of machine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> James
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70978 is a reply to message #70975] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 21:06 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
|
|
Hi Tony,
I've actually used both for many years - all the way back to the Mac SEs,
etc; in addition to PCs from early DOS days, and even Unix (server/terminal
system, and workstations), etc, etc.
Yes it is luck of the draw to some degree, but my point that we actually got
a lemon (refurb from Apple) is that for all the proprietary hardware
platform and limited spec, they are still just as subject to failure as any
PC. Likewise, when I build my PCs, I have a lot more control over component
quality and inter-compatibility. So, the closed system advantages loses
appeal there. Low supply and high cost for motherboards doesn't make Macs
more appealing either. I've built my own PCs for years, as well as
troubleshooting and upgrading Macs too (in whatever limited options I've
had).
The system drive went bad due to kernel panics and system lockups (due to
another hardware problem) - I will probably be able to reformat it on my PC
(whenever I get to it). The drive is dead as far as OSX is concerned (no
way to see it to reformat). I've never had an OS trash a drive before that,
though it is possible with any OS in a worst case scenario.
I'm comfortable on both - adapting to an OS is no big deal - most are more
limited than I would like (I still miss Unix there...). I just don't like
paying more for a logo - Leopard does have some cool features, and some
aspects of OSX are convenient (e.g. geared towards simplifying the user
experience), but others aren't so convenient. In the end though, it all
comes down to which gives me the best performance and capabilities for my
dollar - I keep giving the Mac a chance, but it never quite measures up.
BTW - anyone seen these?
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xps nb_m2010?c=us&cs
=19&l=en&s=dhs
Pretty cool, even if it is just a new packaging approach for a
desktop-laptop.
Regards,
Dedric
On 8/8/06 9:37 PM, in article C0FEC298.1933D%tony@standinghampton.com, "Tony
Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
> Hi Dedric,
>
> I don't want to be putting words in James' mouth, but I think he's said here
> that switching to a Mac if you're a PC person, isn't a great idea. You're
> right, it makes no sense. But for us Mac people, being able to run PC
> programs natively is a pretty cool thing. Not that I want to do that as I
> have other PC's in the house, but still it's a pretty cool thing.
>
> The expensive Mac mother board is partly a supply and demand thing. I mean a
> hundred companies make a billion different PC mother boards and since the
> platform has 95% of the market, prices will be much lower. It still sucks
> though and I understand that. I've never understood the "certified" DVD/CD
> drive thing with Apple. That's just dumb in this day and age.
>
> Remember also, that though you've never had certain problems with your PC's,
> many of us have never had problems with our Macs and I've had about 10 or so
> over the years. I've never had a system drive go bad on a Mac, but since the
> same companies make the drives for both platforms, it's just luck of the
> draw as far as I'm concerned. I could buy a decked out new Pro Mac though
> with what I've spent repairing PC's.
>
> My mantra is use what you're comfortable with and what works for you and
> screw the rest.
>
> I do really hope that Apple can stick around though. Choice is a good thing
> and I think Bill has enough control of the world as it is. ;>)
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On 8/8/06 9:29 PM, in article C0FEA4A3.2266%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
> Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>
>> James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
>> relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>
>> As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset department
>> (cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>> bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
>> are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>> motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100. Also,
>> replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>> limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options for
>> on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With a
>> PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system drive
>> twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>
>> As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
>> can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able to
>> find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night I
>> tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find one
>> that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
>> Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>
>> In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between Macs
>> and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>> from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>> start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>> first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>
>> In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the best
>> move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>> apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or widespread
>> availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>> options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do your
>> own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>> competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every new
>> model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>> winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put them.
>>
>> So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
>> costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't. It
>> just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>> haven't used both though.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well on
>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short order.
>>>
>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they have
>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for others
>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software than
>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete with
>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high end
>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video. Sure
>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll save
>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>> tweaking,
>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>
>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>> there's
>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you want
>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
>>> to
>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows. While
>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>> on
>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>>>> bloated
>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>
>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac path
>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically like
>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70979 is a reply to message #70976] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 21:17 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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As far as I know deej, yes. I don't think The Mac's Disk Utilities program
will defrag. To tell the truth, one of the Mac techie guys here would know
better than I. I've always had Norton Utilities in the past, and recently am
using Disk Warrior for that kind of stuff. I'm actually guilty of not
defragging as often as I probably should. I don't seem to have any disk
problems, so (wait a minute, I need to find some wood to knock on). Ok, I'm
back. It hasn't been an issue for me at all on OSX. OS 9x and earlier, yes,
Norton was my friend.
Tony
On 8/8/06 10:39 PM, in article 44d95914@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> Can Mac OS (name your kitty cat) defrag it's own system drive now or do you
> stiill need a third party utility?
>
> (sorry........still on G4/OS 9.2 here)
>
> Deej
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:C0FEC298.1933D%tony@standinghampton.com...
>> Hi Dedric,
>>
>> I don't want to be putting words in James' mouth, but I think he's said
> here
>> that switching to a Mac if you're a PC person, isn't a great idea. You're
>> right, it makes no sense. But for us Mac people, being able to run PC
>> programs natively is a pretty cool thing. Not that I want to do that as I
>> have other PC's in the house, but still it's a pretty cool thing.
>>
>> The expensive Mac mother board is partly a supply and demand thing. I mean
> a
>> hundred companies make a billion different PC mother boards and since the
>> platform has 95% of the market, prices will be much lower. It still sucks
>> though and I understand that. I've never understood the "certified" DVD/CD
>> drive thing with Apple. That's just dumb in this day and age.
>>
>> Remember also, that though you've never had certain problems with your
> PC's,
>> many of us have never had problems with our Macs and I've had about 10 or
> so
>> over the years. I've never had a system drive go bad on a Mac, but since
> the
>> same companies make the drives for both platforms, it's just luck of the
>> draw as far as I'm concerned. I could buy a decked out new Pro Mac though
>> with what I've spent repairing PC's.
>>
>> My mantra is use what you're comfortable with and what works for you and
>> screw the rest.
>>
>> I do really hope that Apple can stick around though. Choice is a good
> thing
>> and I think Bill has enough control of the world as it is. ;>)
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/8/06 9:29 PM, in article C0FEA4A3.2266%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
>> Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>
>>> James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
> only
>>> relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>
>>> As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
> department
>>> (cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>> bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
> we
>>> are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>> motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
> Also,
>>> replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>>> limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
> for
>>> on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
> a
>>> PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
> drive
>>> twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>
>>> As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
> you
>>> can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
> able to
>>> find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
> night I
>>> tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
> one
>>> that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
> OSX
>>> Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>
>>> In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
> Macs
>>> and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>> from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
> users
>>> start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>>> first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>
>>> In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
> best
>>> move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>> apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
> widespread
>>> availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
> repair
>>> options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
> your
>>> own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>> competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
> new
>>> model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>> winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
> them.
>>>
>>> So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
> and
>>> costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
> It
>>> just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>> haven't used both though.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
> on
>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
> order.
>>>>
>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
> have
>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
> others
>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
> software
>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
> than
>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
> easier,
>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
> with
>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
> end
>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
> Sure
>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
> save
>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>>> tweaking,
>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>
>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>>> there's
>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
> want
>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
> able
>>>> to
>>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
> While
>>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
> system,
>>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
> numbers
>>>> on
>>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
> bloated
>>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
> oranges).
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
> path
>>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
> lower
>>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
> FXTeleport.
>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
> like
>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
> you'll
>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
> it's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70980 is a reply to message #70978] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 21:27 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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I hear ya brotha. I'm knocking wood again as I speak.
Tony
On 8/8/06 11:06 PM, in article C0FEBB68.2272%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> I've actually used both for many years - all the way back to the Mac SEs,
> etc; in addition to PCs from early DOS days, and even Unix (server/terminal
> system, and workstations), etc, etc.
>
> Yes it is luck of the draw to some degree, but my point that we actually got
> a lemon (refurb from Apple) is that for all the proprietary hardware
> platform and limited spec, they are still just as subject to failure as any
> PC. Likewise, when I build my PCs, I have a lot more control over component
> quality and inter-compatibility. So, the closed system advantages loses
> appeal there. Low supply and high cost for motherboards doesn't make Macs
> more appealing either. I've built my own PCs for years, as well as
> troubleshooting and upgrading Macs too (in whatever limited options I've
> had).
>
> The system drive went bad due to kernel panics and system lockups (due to
> another hardware problem) - I will probably be able to reformat it on my PC
> (whenever I get to it). The drive is dead as far as OSX is concerned (no
> way to see it to reformat). I've never had an OS trash a drive before that,
> though it is possible with any OS in a worst case scenario.
>
> I'm comfortable on both - adapting to an OS is no big deal - most are more
> limited than I would like (I still miss Unix there...). I just don't like
> paying more for a logo - Leopard does have some cool features, and some
> aspects of OSX are convenient (e.g. geared towards simplifying the user
> experience), but others aren't so convenient. In the end though, it all
> comes down to which gives me the best performance and capabilities for my
> dollar - I keep giving the Mac a chance, but it never quite measures up.
>
> BTW - anyone seen these?
>
> http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xps nb_m2010?c=us&cs
> =19&l=en&s=dhs
>
> Pretty cool, even if it is just a new packaging approach for a
> desktop-laptop.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 8/8/06 9:37 PM, in article C0FEC298.1933D%tony@standinghampton.com, "Tony
> Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dedric,
>>
>> I don't want to be putting words in James' mouth, but I think he's said here
>> that switching to a Mac if you're a PC person, isn't a great idea. You're
>> right, it makes no sense. But for us Mac people, being able to run PC
>> programs natively is a pretty cool thing. Not that I want to do that as I
>> have other PC's in the house, but still it's a pretty cool thing.
>>
>> The expensive Mac mother board is partly a supply and demand thing. I mean a
>> hundred companies make a billion different PC mother boards and since the
>> platform has 95% of the market, prices will be much lower. It still sucks
>> though and I understand that. I've never understood the "certified" DVD/CD
>> drive thing with Apple. That's just dumb in this day and age.
>>
>> Remember also, that though you've never had certain problems with your PC's,
>> many of us have never had problems with our Macs and I've had about 10 or so
>> over the years. I've never had a system drive go bad on a Mac, but since the
>> same companies make the drives for both platforms, it's just luck of the
>> draw as far as I'm concerned. I could buy a decked out new Pro Mac though
>> with what I've spent repairing PC's.
>>
>> My mantra is use what you're comfortable with and what works for you and
>> screw the rest.
>>
>> I do really hope that Apple can stick around though. Choice is a good thing
>> and I think Bill has enough control of the world as it is. ;>)
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/8/06 9:29 PM, in article C0FEA4A3.2266%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
>> Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>
>>> James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
>>> relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>
>>> As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset department
>>> (cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>> bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
>>> are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>> motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100. Also,
>>> replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>>> limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options for
>>> on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With a
>>> PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system drive
>>> twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>
>>> As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
>>> can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able to
>>> find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night I
>>> tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find one
>>> that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
>>> Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>
>>> In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between Macs
>>> and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>> from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>>> start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>>> first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>
>>> In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the best
>>> move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>> apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or widespread
>>> availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>> options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do your
>>> own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>> competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every new
>>> model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>> winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put them.
>>>
>>> So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
>>> costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't. It
>>> just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>> haven't used both though.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well on
>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
>>>> have
>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for others
>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software than
>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete with
>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high end
>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>>>> Sure
>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll save
>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>>> tweaking,
>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>
>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>>> there's
>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
>>>> want
>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
>>>> to
>>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows. While
>>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>>> on
>>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>>>>> bloated
>>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
>>>>> path
>>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically like
>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70981 is a reply to message #70973] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 22:13 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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I do use both platforms.
You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a search,
the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make the
system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there are
some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some are
free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
Here are some sites:
http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
http://www.nisus.com/Express/
http://macromates.com/
http://www.tex-edit.com/
http://www.jedit.org/
http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom aircraft
parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
model. Which Dual do you have?
I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair centers
and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
Some Apple service info:
http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
http://www.apple.com/support/products/
http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
locations near Colorado Springs, CO
•
• Voelker Research
• 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
•
•
•
•
• CompUSA
• 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
•
•
•
•
• CompUSA
• 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
•
•
•
•
• Macmall
• 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
•
•
•
•
• CompUSA #672- Littleton
• 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
•
•
• Netbuilders
• 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
•
•
• CompUSA
• 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
•
•
•
•
• CompUSA
• 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
•
• CompUSA
• 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
•
•
•
•
• Digital Systems Inc.
• 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
•
•
•
•
• Digital Systems Inc.
• 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
•
•
•
•
• Kolter.com LLC
• 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
•
•
•
•
• Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
• 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
•
•
•
•
• Connecting Point
• 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
•
•
•
•
• Collins Consulting
• 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
•
•
•
•
• Connecting Point Durango
• 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
James
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
>relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>
>As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset department
>(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
>are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100. Also,
>replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
for
>on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
a
>PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system drive
>twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>
>As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
>can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able
to
>find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
I
>tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
one
>that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
>Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>
>In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
Macs
>and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>
>In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
best
>move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or widespread
>availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do your
>own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
new
>model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put them.
>
>So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
>costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
It
>just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>haven't used both though.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
on
>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
order.
>>
>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
have
>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for others
>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software than
>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>
>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete with
>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
end
>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
Sure
>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
save
>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours tweaking,
>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>
>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>> there's
>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
want
>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
>> to
>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
While
>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>> on
>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
bloated
>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>
>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
path
>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
like
>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>>>> a
>>>>> lot
>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70983 is a reply to message #70981] |
Tue, 08 August 2006 23:18 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
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|
As I said before, the system drive (stock drive from Apple - Samsung, WD,
whatever) failed due to kernel panics (and hence corrupt lower level data
structures). It wasn't a bad drive. The fact that I can't even reformat
it with a Mac is ridiculous. I doubt the drive is physically dead. I just
haven't had time to take it to work and reformat it on a PC to find out for
sure. That was the point.
I also found that Mac system drives can't run more than 6" on from the IDE
buss header (dual G4). Seriously - I've never found a PC motherboard with
that kind of limitation. That's just a low performance tolerance in the
buss design, probably done to limit power requirements on the mb; due to
limited power; or to circumvent crosstalk on the data plane of the board.
Not the drive's fault, or cable - it's a motherboard limitation.
Textedit - I only needed to edit a simple html file in Textedit. Once saved
(prefs set for html 4.0 strict, text only, etc), it would no longer open in
any browser when I posted it. It wasn't the code. I checked. So I decided
to try some others from www.tucows.com (great resource if you aren't
familiar with it).
Every single text editor I downloaded (demos, freeware, shareware) failed to
work. Most installed fine, but some wouldn't run (probably not compatible
with 10.4), another wouldn't see html files in any form (e.g. greyed out in
file browser, which btw, you can't fake some OSX apps out of), and yet
another wouldn't open any files (no kidding, one didn't have an option to
open a file...that was the biggest laugh I've had in a long time).
A 30 second task that turned into a 30 minute joke. Sure, a Text Editor
problem seems quite silly, and it is. And that's the point. After all the
Mac vs. PC ads and debates about how easy a Mac is to use, I couldn't resist
tossing this one out there as a real world counterpoint - it's no more
obscure than the ads' arguments, or arguments that being able to running
Unix and Windows makes a Mac more "open". You can leave a door standing
wide open all day long, but if no one walks through, does it really matter?
You don't need to post links for me. I have the local yellow pages, a
phone, local Mac users who've had to have their Macs serviced (every Mac
user I know here has), and a car. You just missed my point. I don't
actually care what anyone uses. I was just curious to see what the current
state of opinion was among Mac users. Don't take it personally. I do think
Macs look cool. The blue glow on my Thermaltake case looks cooler, but I
never see it since it's in the computer room. So much for eye candy.
Later,
Dedric
On 8/8/06 11:13 PM, in article 44d96ef8$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do use both platforms.
>
> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a search,
> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make the
> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>
> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there are
> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>
> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some are
> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>
> Here are some sites:
>
> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>
> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>
> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>
> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>
> http://macromates.com/
>
> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>
> http://www.jedit.org/
>
> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>
> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
> aircraft
> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>
> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
> model. Which Dual do you have?
>
> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair centers
> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>
> Some Apple service info:
>
> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>
> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>
> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
> •
> • Voelker Research
> • 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • CompUSA
> • 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • CompUSA
> • 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • Macmall
> • 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • CompUSA #672- Littleton
> • 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
> •
> •
> • Netbuilders
> • 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
> •
> •
> • CompUSA
> • 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • CompUSA
> • 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>
> •
> • CompUSA
> • 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • Digital Systems Inc.
> • 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • Digital Systems Inc.
> • 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • Kolter.com LLC
> • 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
> • 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • Connecting Point
> • 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • Collins Consulting
> • 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
> •
> •
> •
> •
> • Connecting Point Durango
> • 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>
>
> James
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
>> relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>
>> As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset department
>> (cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>> bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
>> are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>> motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100. Also,
>> replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>> limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
> for
>> on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
> a
>> PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system drive
>> twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>
>> As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
>> can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able
> to
>> find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
> I
>> tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
> one
>> that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
>> Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>
>> In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
> Macs
>> and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>> from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>> start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>> first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>
>> In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
> best
>> move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>> apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or widespread
>> availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>> options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do your
>> own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>> competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
> new
>> model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>> winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put them.
>>
>> So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
>> costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
> It
>> just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>> haven't used both though.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
> on
>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
> order.
>>>
>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
> have
>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for others
>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software than
>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete with
>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
> end
>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
> Sure
>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
> save
>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>> tweaking,
>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>
>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>> there's
>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
> want
>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
>>> to
>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
> While
>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware system,
>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>> on
>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
> bloated
>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>
>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
> path
>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and lower
>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
> like
>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo users.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months you'll
>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70987 is a reply to message #70967] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 01:18 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
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|
alas...if only that were true. though i do love how each doesn't like
different things...at randomly different times. ;o)
On 9 Aug 2006 07:36:12 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>thanks but i need it for dp and logic.
>
>You don't need no stinkin dp and Logic!
>
>; 0
>>
>>On 8 Aug 2006 23:33:34 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>to make james happy??? ;o)
>>>
>>>LOL! Thanks Rick. Hey my offer still stands, I'll trade you my P4 PC
>for
>>>your current Mac; )
>>>
>>>James
>>>>
>>>>On 8 Aug 2006 15:52:54 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yep..These are the new woodcrest.. These macs are looking better all
>the
>>>time.
>>>>>Now Mr Jobs can respot some real world speed hype instead of that BS
>he
>>>spewed
>>>>>for years...
>>>>>
>>>>>I love Logic audio, but when Apple dropped PC support they cornered themselves
>>>>>in a one way markey. it's a knowq fact that Pro Toosl run circles on
>a
>>>decent
>>>>>PC than a Mac G4, or G5. My question is: Why do I need a Mac?
>>>>>
>>>>>LaMont
>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;oD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting, it's
>>>a
>>>>>lot
>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70989 is a reply to message #70981] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 05:48 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
|
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James, love ya man... but I have to take this one a little out of context
for humor's sake :)
*Apple has vary quick turnaround.*
Yup, they turned Rick around pretty quick and repeatedly as I remember..
poor uncle rick....
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>
> I do use both platforms.
>
> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
> search,
> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make the
> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>
> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
> are
> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>
> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
> are
> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>
> Here are some sites:
>
> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>
> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>
> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>
> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>
> http://macromates.com/
>
> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>
> http://www.jedit.org/
>
> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>
> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
> aircraft
> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>
> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
> model. Which Dual do you have?
>
> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
> centers
> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>
> Some Apple service info:
>
> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>
> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>
> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
> .
> . Voelker Research
> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Macmall
> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
> .
> .
> . Netbuilders
> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
> .
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Digital Systems Inc.
> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Digital Systems Inc.
> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Kolter.com LLC
> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Connecting Point
> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Collins Consulting
> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Connecting Point Durango
> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>
>
> James
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
>>relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>
>>As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>department
>>(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
>>are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>>Also,
>>replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>>limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
> for
>>on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
> a
>>PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>>drive
>>twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>
>>As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
>>can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able
> to
>>find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
> I
>>tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
> one
>>that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
>>Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>
>>In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
> Macs
>>and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>>start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>>first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>
>>In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
> best
>>move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>widespread
>>availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
>>your
>>own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
> new
>>model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>>them.
>>
>>So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
>>costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
> It
>>just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>haven't used both though.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
> on
>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
> order.
>>>
>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
> have
>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>>> others
>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>>> than
>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>>> with
>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
> end
>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
> Sure
>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
> save
>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>> tweaking,
>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>
>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>> there's
>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
> want
>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
>>> to
>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
> While
>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>>>> system,
>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>> on
>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
> bloated
>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>
>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
> path
>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>>>> lower
>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>> FXTeleport.
>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
> like
>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>>>>> you'll
>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70991 is a reply to message #70983] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 06:15 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Emacs!!!
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>
>As I said before, the system drive (stock drive from Apple - Samsung, WD,
>whatever) failed due to kernel panics (and hence corrupt lower level data
>structures). It wasn't a bad drive. The fact that I can't even reformat
>it with a Mac is ridiculous. I doubt the drive is physically dead. I just
>haven't had time to take it to work and reformat it on a PC to find out
for
>sure. That was the point.
>
>I also found that Mac system drives can't run more than 6" on from the IDE
>buss header (dual G4). Seriously - I've never found a PC motherboard with
>that kind of limitation. That's just a low performance tolerance in the
>buss design, probably done to limit power requirements on the mb; due to
>limited power; or to circumvent crosstalk on the data plane of the board.
>Not the drive's fault, or cable - it's a motherboard limitation.
>
>Textedit - I only needed to edit a simple html file in Textedit. Once saved
>(prefs set for html 4.0 strict, text only, etc), it would no longer open
in
>any browser when I posted it. It wasn't the code. I checked. So I decided
>to try some others from www.tucows.com (great resource if you aren't
>familiar with it).
>
>Every single text editor I downloaded (demos, freeware, shareware) failed
to
>work. Most installed fine, but some wouldn't run (probably not compatible
>with 10.4), another wouldn't see html files in any form (e.g. greyed out
in
>file browser, which btw, you can't fake some OSX apps out of), and yet
>another wouldn't open any files (no kidding, one didn't have an option to
>open a file...that was the biggest laugh I've had in a long time).
>
>A 30 second task that turned into a 30 minute joke. Sure, a Text Editor
>problem seems quite silly, and it is. And that's the point. After all
the
>Mac vs. PC ads and debates about how easy a Mac is to use, I couldn't resist
>tossing this one out there as a real world counterpoint - it's no more
>obscure than the ads' arguments, or arguments that being able to running
>Unix and Windows makes a Mac more "open". You can leave a door standing
>wide open all day long, but if no one walks through, does it really matter?
>
>You don't need to post links for me. I have the local yellow pages, a
>phone, local Mac users who've had to have their Macs serviced (every Mac
>user I know here has), and a car. You just missed my point. I don't
>actually care what anyone uses. I was just curious to see what the current
>state of opinion was among Mac users. Don't take it personally. I do think
>Macs look cool. The blue glow on my Thermaltake case looks cooler, but
I
>never see it since it's in the computer room. So much for eye candy.
>
>Later,
>Dedric
>
>On 8/8/06 11:13 PM, in article 44d96ef8$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I do use both platforms.
>>
>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a search,
>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make
the
>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>
>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
are
>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>
>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
are
>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>
>> Here are some sites:
>>
>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>
>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>
>> http://macromates.com/
>>
>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>
>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>
>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
>> aircraft
>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>
>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>
>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
centers
>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>
>> Some Apple service info:
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>
>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>
>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>> •
>> • Voelker Research
>> • 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • CompUSA
>> • 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • CompUSA
>> • 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • Macmall
>> • 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • CompUSA #672- Littleton
>> • 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>> •
>> •
>> • Netbuilders
>> • 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>> •
>> •
>> • CompUSA
>> • 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • CompUSA
>> • 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>
>> •
>> • CompUSA
>> • 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • Digital Systems Inc.
>> • 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • Digital Systems Inc.
>> • 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • Kolter.com LLC
>> • 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>> • 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • Connecting Point
>> • 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • Collins Consulting
>> • 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • Connecting Point Durango
>> • 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
only
>>> relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>
>>> As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset department
>>> (cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>> bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
we
>>> are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>> motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
Also,
>>> replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs),
is
>>> limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>> for
>>> on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
>> a
>>> PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
drive
>>> twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>
>>> As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
you
>>> can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
able
>> to
>>> find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
>> I
>>> tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
>> one
>>> that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
OSX
>>> Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>
>>> In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>> Macs
>>> and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>> from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>>> start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always
the
>>> first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>
>>> In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
>> best
>>> move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>> apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or widespread
>>> availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>> options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
your
>>> own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>> competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>> new
>>> model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>> winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
them.
>>>
>>> So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
and
>>> costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>> It
>>> just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>> haven't used both though.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
>> on
>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>> order.
>>>>
>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
>> have
>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
others
>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
than
>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
with
>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>> end
>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>> Sure
>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>> save
>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>>> tweaking,
>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>
>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>>> there's
>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if
you
>> want
>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
able
>>>> to
>>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>> While
>>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
system,
>>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>>> on
>>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>> bloated
>>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the
Mac
>> path
>>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
lower
>>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now, FXTeleport.
>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>> like
>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
you'll
>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
it's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70992 is a reply to message #70981] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 06:56 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
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>they are like custom aircraft
parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your experience
in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me with
statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of them to
be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify larger
production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer when one
of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably a bit of
both.
sheesh!!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>
> I do use both platforms.
>
> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
search,
> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make the
> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>
> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
are
> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>
> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
are
> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>
> Here are some sites:
>
> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>
> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>
> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>
> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>
> http://macromates.com/
>
> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>
> http://www.jedit.org/
>
> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>
> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
aircraft
> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>
> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
> model. Which Dual do you have?
>
> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
centers
> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>
> Some Apple service info:
>
> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>
> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>
> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
> .
> . Voelker Research
> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Macmall
> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
> .
> .
> . Netbuilders
> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
> .
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>
> .
> . CompUSA
> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Digital Systems Inc.
> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Digital Systems Inc.
> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Kolter.com LLC
> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Connecting Point
> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Collins Consulting
> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . Connecting Point Durango
> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>
>
> James
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
only
> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
> >
> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
department
> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
Also,
> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
> for
> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
> a
> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
drive
> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
> >
> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
you
> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able
> to
> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
> I
> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
> one
> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
> >
> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
> Macs
> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
> >
> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
> best
> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
widespread
> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do yo
ur
> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
> new
> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
them.
> >
> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
and
> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
> It
> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
> >haven't used both though.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Dedric
> >
> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
> on
> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
> order.
> >>
> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
> have
> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
others
> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
software
> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
than
> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
easier,
> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
> >>
> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
with
> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
> end
> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
> Sure
> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
> save
> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
tweaking,
> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
> >>
> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
> >> there's
> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
> want
> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >>
> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
able
> >> to
> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
> While
> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
system,
> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
> >>>
> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
numbers
> >> on
> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
> bloated
> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
oranges).
> >>>
> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
> path
> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
lower
> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
FXTeleport.
> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
> like
> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
users.
> >>>
> >>> Dedric
> >>>
> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
you'll
> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
> >>>>
> >>>> James
> >>>>
> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
understand.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ;oD
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
it's
> >>>> a
> >>>>> lot
> >>>>>>> of machine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> James
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70994 is a reply to message #70989] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 07:38 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Well I'll just speak to what I know of Apple. I was a dealer at one time,
and their service was out standing. At the time they were number one the
the industry year after year.
If you get a defective machine, you can return it with in 30 days. Their
is a standard one year warranty on hardware. They will replace any thing
that is defective free of charge in that year. if you get the extended warranty
they will replace any thing that is defective free of charge for three years,
including shipping. You can add the extended warranty any time in the first
year, and they have extended that to me and others I know past the first
year.
I had a head crash on a lap top at the end of my warranty, I had my lap top
back in 48 hours with a new larger hard drive. Apple offered to back up
my old drive on my new drive even though my damaged hard drive was not mechanically
working, it was just clicking and making a grinding noise.
I had a doctor in rural AL. that had a problem with a Mac clone machine I
sold him. I couldn't find somebody to service that machine at his office.
I called Apple, they sent a guy out that fixed his clone machine with in
two hours and charged less than the going rate.
Those are just two of my experiences with Apple service. I think their pretty
good.
I know that on other audio boards some people are still using the G4 FW800
machines. I'm not sure what was up with Rick's machine. Apple is known
for replacing the whole machine when a customer is really unhappy and there
has been a lot of repairs. However it sounds like Apple dropped the ball
on this one.
I think a letter from an attorney would have gotten Ricks money back, time
is another story. There are Lemon laws that apply to computers also that
may still be exercisable.
I'm sorry about what happened to Rick, it wasn't right.
James
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>James, love ya man... but I have to take this one a little out of context
>for humor's sake :)
>
>*Apple has vary quick turnaround.*
>
>Yup, they turned Rick around pretty quick and repeatedly as I remember..
>poor uncle rick....
>
>AA
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>
>> I do use both platforms.
>>
>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>> search,
>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make
the
>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>
>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
>> are
>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>
>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
>> are
>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>
>> Here are some sites:
>>
>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>
>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>
>> http://macromates.com/
>>
>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>
>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>
>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
>> aircraft
>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>
>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>
>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
>> centers
>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>
>> Some Apple service info:
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>
>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>
>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>> .
>> . Voelker Research
>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Macmall
>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>> .
>> .
>> . Netbuilders
>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Kolter.com LLC
>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Connecting Point
>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Collins Consulting
>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Connecting Point Durango
>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
only
>>>relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>
>>>As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>department
>>>(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>>bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
we
>>>are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>>>Also,
>>>replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>>>limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>> for
>>>on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
>> a
>>>PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>>>drive
>>>twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>
>>>As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
you
>>>can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able
>> to
>>>find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
>> I
>>>tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
>> one
>>>that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
OSX
>>>Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>
>>>In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>> Macs
>>>and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>>from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>>>start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>>>first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>
>>>In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
>> best
>>>move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>>apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>widespread
>>>availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>>options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
>>>your
>>>own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>>competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>> new
>>>model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>>winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>>>them.
>>>
>>>So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
and
>>>costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>> It
>>>just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>>haven't used both though.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
>> on
>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>> order.
>>>>
>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
>> have
>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>>>> others
>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>>>> than
>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>>>> with
>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>> end
>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>> Sure
>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>> save
>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>>> tweaking,
>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>
>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>>> there's
>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if
you
>> want
>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
able
>>>> to
>>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>> While
>>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>>>>> system,
>>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>>> on
>>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>> bloated
>>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the
Mac
>> path
>>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>>>>> lower
>>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>>> FXTeleport.
>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>> like
>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70997 is a reply to message #70992] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 08:47 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
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As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the number
of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher costs.
It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the industry, because
they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and prosper.
They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the rest
of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass production/number
of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and have helped
the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now they
are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but it
will depend on the number of units sold.
If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you? I
think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour and
get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times the going
rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is a difference.
Security might be one of those differences, others may be only perceived
differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple computer.
Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell Precision
490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I expect that
the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell will buy
and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It would be
like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going to
be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The reality
is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't speak
to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software and
the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is for the
most part headache free.
I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added doodads
and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the door. They knew that
O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best effort. OSX is another story.
Well that's my take on it.
James
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>they are like custom aircraft
>parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
>
>Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your experience
>in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me with
>statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of them
to
>be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify larger
>production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer when
one
>of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably a bit
of
>both.
>
>sheesh!!
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>
>> I do use both platforms.
>>
>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>search,
>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make
the
>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>
>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
>are
>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>
>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
>are
>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>
>> Here are some sites:
>>
>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>
>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>
>> http://macromates.com/
>>
>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>
>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>
>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
>aircraft
>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>
>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>
>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
>centers
>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>
>> Some Apple service info:
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>
>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>
>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>> .
>> . Voelker Research
>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Macmall
>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>> .
>> .
>> . Netbuilders
>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Kolter.com LLC
>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Connecting Point
>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Collins Consulting
>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Connecting Point Durango
>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
>only
>> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>> >
>> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>department
>> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
we
>> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>Also,
>> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs),
is
>> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>> for
>> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
>> a
>> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>drive
>> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>> >
>> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
>you
>> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
able
>> to
>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
>> I
>> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
>> one
>> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
OSX
>> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>> >
>> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>> Macs
>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always
the
>> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>> >
>> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
>> best
>> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>widespread
>> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
yo
>ur
>> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>> new
>> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>them.
>> >
>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
>and
>> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>> It
>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>> >haven't used both though.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Dedric
>> >
>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
>> on
>> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>> order.
>> >>
>> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and
they
>> have
>> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>others
>> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
>software
>> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>than
>> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
>easier,
>> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>with
>> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>> end
>> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>> Sure
>> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>> save
>> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>tweaking,
>> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>> >>
>> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And
then
>> >> there's
>> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if
you
>> want
>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>> >>
>> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
>able
>> >> to
>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>> While
>> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>system,
>> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>> >>>
>> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
>numbers
>> >> on
>> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>> bloated
>> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
>oranges).
>> >>>
>> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the
Mac
>> path
>> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>lower
>> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>FXTeleport.
>> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>> like
>> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>users.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dedric
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>you'll
>> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> James
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>understand.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ;oD
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>it's
>> >>>> a
>> >>>>> lot
>> >>>>>>> of machine.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> James
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70998 is a reply to message #70983] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 09:27 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Apple does need to include better disk tools. I had a secondary drive get
corrupted in my old G4. Disk Tools wouldn't see it either. I bought Disk
Warrior and repaired it in about ten minutes. Why Apple doesn't include
robust disk repair software is beyond me.
Tony
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C0FEDA68.227E%dterry@keyofd.net...
>
> As I said before, the system drive (stock drive from Apple - Samsung, WD,
> whatever) failed due to kernel panics (and hence corrupt lower level data
> structures). It wasn't a bad drive. The fact that I can't even reformat
> it with a Mac is ridiculous. I doubt the drive is physically dead. I
> just
> haven't had time to take it to work and reformat it on a PC to find out
> for
> sure. That was the point.
>
> I also found that Mac system drives can't run more than 6" on from the IDE
> buss header (dual G4). Seriously - I've never found a PC motherboard with
> that kind of limitation. That's just a low performance tolerance in the
> buss design, probably done to limit power requirements on the mb; due to
> limited power; or to circumvent crosstalk on the data plane of the board.
> Not the drive's fault, or cable - it's a motherboard limitation.
>
> Textedit - I only needed to edit a simple html file in Textedit. Once
> saved
> (prefs set for html 4.0 strict, text only, etc), it would no longer open
> in
> any browser when I posted it. It wasn't the code. I checked. So I
> decided
> to try some others from www.tucows.com (great resource if you aren't
> familiar with it).
>
> Every single text editor I downloaded (demos, freeware, shareware) failed
> to
> work. Most installed fine, but some wouldn't run (probably not compatible
> with 10.4), another wouldn't see html files in any form (e.g. greyed out
> in
> file browser, which btw, you can't fake some OSX apps out of), and yet
> another wouldn't open any files (no kidding, one didn't have an option to
> open a file...that was the biggest laugh I've had in a long time).
>
> A 30 second task that turned into a 30 minute joke. Sure, a Text Editor
> problem seems quite silly, and it is. And that's the point. After all
> the
> Mac vs. PC ads and debates about how easy a Mac is to use, I couldn't
> resist
> tossing this one out there as a real world counterpoint - it's no more
> obscure than the ads' arguments, or arguments that being able to running
> Unix and Windows makes a Mac more "open". You can leave a door standing
> wide open all day long, but if no one walks through, does it really
> matter?
>
> You don't need to post links for me. I have the local yellow pages, a
> phone, local Mac users who've had to have their Macs serviced (every Mac
> user I know here has), and a car. You just missed my point. I don't
> actually care what anyone uses. I was just curious to see what the
> current
> state of opinion was among Mac users. Don't take it personally. I do
> think
> Macs look cool. The blue glow on my Thermaltake case looks cooler, but I
> never see it since it's in the computer room. So much for eye candy.
>
> Later,
> Dedric
>
> On 8/8/06 11:13 PM, in article 44d96ef8$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I do use both platforms.
>>
>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>> search,
>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make the
>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>
>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
>> are
>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>
>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
>> are
>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>
>> Here are some sites:
>>
>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>
>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>
>> http://macromates.com/
>>
>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>
>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>
>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
>> aircraft
>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>
>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a
>> current
>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>
>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
>> centers
>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does
>> service
>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>
>> Some Apple service info:
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>
>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>
>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>> .
>> . Voelker Research
>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Macmall
>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>> .
>> .
>> . Netbuilders
>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Kolter.com LLC
>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Connecting Point
>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Collins Consulting
>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Connecting Point Durango
>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
>>> only
>>> relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>
>>> As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>> department
>>> (cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>> bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
>>> we
>>> are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>> motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>>> Also,
>>> replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>>> limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>> for
>>> on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
>> a
>>> PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>>> drive
>>> twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>
>>> As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
>>> you
>>> can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
>>> able
>> to
>>> find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
>>> night
>> I
>>> tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
>> one
>>> that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
>>> OSX
>>> Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>
>>> In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>> Macs
>>> and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>> from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
>>> users
>>> start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>>> first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>
>>> In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
>> best
>>> move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>> apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>> widespread
>>> availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
>>> repair
>>> options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
>>> your
>>> own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>> competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>> new
>>> model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>> winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>>> them.
>>>
>>> So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
>>> and
>>> costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>> It
>>> just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>> haven't used both though.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
>> on
>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>> order.
>>>>
>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
>> have
>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>>>> others
>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
>>>> software
>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>>>> than
>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
>>>> easier,
>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>>>> with
>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>> end
>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>> Sure
>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>> save
>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>>> tweaking,
>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>
>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>>> there's
>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
>> want
>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
>>>>> able
>>>> to
>>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>> While
>>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>>>>> system,
>>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
>>>>> numbers
>>>> on
>>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>> bloated
>>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
>>>>> oranges).
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
>> path
>>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>>>>> lower
>>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>>> FXTeleport.
>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>> like
>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #70999 is a reply to message #70997] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 09:27 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
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>If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you? I
think most of us would.<
If someone was willing to pay 3 x my normal rate when they had an equivalent
alternative, I would think they were nuts and might have some second
thoughts about even opening the door for them without taking out extra
damage and liability insurance..
;o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44da0395$1@linux...
>
> As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the
number
> of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher costs.
> It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the industry,
because
> they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and prosper.
> They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the rest
> of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass
production/number
> of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and have
helped
> the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now they
> are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but it
> will depend on the number of units sold.
>
> If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you? I
> think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour and
> get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times the
going
> rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is a
difference.
> Security might be one of those differences, others may be only perceived
> differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple
computer.
> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
>
> I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell Precision
> 490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I expect
that
> the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell will
buy
> and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
>
> Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It would be
> like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going to
> be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The
reality
> is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't speak
> to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software and
> the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is for
the
> most part headache free.
>
> I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added
doodads
> and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the door. They knew that
> O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best effort. OSX is another story.
>
> Well that's my take on it.
>
> James
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>they are like custom aircraft
> >parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
> >
> >Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your
experience
> >in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me
with
> >statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of them
> to
> >be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify larger
> >production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer when
> one
> >of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably a bit
> of
> >both.
> >
> >sheesh!!
> >
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
> >>
> >> I do use both platforms.
> >>
> >> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
> >search,
> >> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make
> the
> >> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You
might
> >> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
> >>
> >> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
> >are
> >> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
> >>
> >> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
> >are
> >> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
> >>
> >> Here are some sites:
> >>
> >> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
> >>
> >> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
> >>
> >> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
> >>
> >> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
> >>
> >> http://macromates.com/
> >>
> >> http://www.tex-edit.com/
> >>
> >> http://www.jedit.org/
> >>
> >> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
> >>
> >> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
> >aircraft
> >> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be
able
> >> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
> >>
> >> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a
current
> >> model. Which Dual do you have?
> >>
> >> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
> >centers
> >> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does
service
> >> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send
out
> >> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
> >>
> >> Some Apple service info:
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
> >>
> >> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
> >>
> >> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
> >> .
> >> . Voelker Research
> >> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . CompUSA
> >> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . CompUSA
> >> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Macmall
> >> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
> >> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Netbuilders
> >> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . CompUSA
> >> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . CompUSA
> >> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
> >>
> >> .
> >> . CompUSA
> >> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Digital Systems Inc.
> >> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Digital Systems Inc.
> >> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Kolter.com LLC
> >> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
> >> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Connecting Point
> >> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Collins Consulting
> >> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> . Connecting Point Durango
> >> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
> >>
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >>
> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
> >only
> >> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
> >> >
> >> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
> >department
> >> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a
locked
> >> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
> we
> >> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
> >> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
> >Also,
> >> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs),
> is
> >> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have
options
> >> for
> >> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple.
With
> >> a
> >> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
> >drive
> >> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the
above.
> >> >
> >> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
> >you
> >> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
> able
> >> to
> >> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
night
> >> I
> >> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't
find
> >> one
> >> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
> OSX
> >> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
> >> >
> >> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap
between
> >> Macs
> >> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates
them
> >> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
users
> >> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always
> the
> >> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
> >> >
> >> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either
the
> >> best
> >> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set
Macs
> >> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
> >widespread
> >> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
repair
> >> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
> yo
> >ur
> >> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't
exactly
> >> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as
every
> >> new
> >> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
> >> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
> >them.
> >> >
> >> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
> >and
> >> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I
don't.
> >> It
> >> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those
that
> >> >haven't used both though.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Dedric
> >> >
> >> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> >> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran
well
> >> on
> >> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in
short
> >> order.
> >> >>
> >> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different
chips.
> >> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and
> they
> >> have
> >> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
> >others
> >> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
> >software
> >> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
> >than
> >> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
> >easier,
> >> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a
studio.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
> >with
> >> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek,
high
> >> end
> >> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC
video.
> >> Sure
> >> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same.
You'll
> >> save
> >> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
> >tweaking,
> >> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And
> then
> >> >> there's
> >> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if
> you
> >> want
> >> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
> >> >>
> >> >> James
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
> >able
> >> >> to
> >> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
> >> While
> >> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
> >system,
> >> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
> >numbers
> >> >> on
> >> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is
most
> >> bloated
> >> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
> >oranges).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the
> Mac
> >> path
> >> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
> >lower
> >> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
> >FXTeleport.
> >> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even
generically
> >> like
> >> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
> >users.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Dedric
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
> >> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
> >you'll
> >> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> James
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that
will
> >> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
> >> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
> >understand.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> ;oD
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
> >it's
> >> >>>> a
> >> >>>>> lot
> >> >>>>>>> of machine.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> James
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #71020 is a reply to message #70989] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 02:18 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
ya gotta love being the example of what not to do...kinda takes me
back to high school...sigh
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:48:36 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
<nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>James, love ya man... but I have to take this one a little out of context
>for humor's sake :)
>
>*Apple has vary quick turnaround.*
>
>Yup, they turned Rick around pretty quick and repeatedly as I remember..
>poor uncle rick....
>
>AA
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>
>> I do use both platforms.
>>
>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>> search,
>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make the
>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>
>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
>> are
>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>
>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
>> are
>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>
>> Here are some sites:
>>
>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>
>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>
>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>
>> http://macromates.com/
>>
>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>
>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>
>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
>> aircraft
>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>
>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>
>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
>> centers
>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send out
>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>
>> Some Apple service info:
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>
>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>
>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>> .
>> . Voelker Research
>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Macmall
>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>> .
>> .
>> . Netbuilders
>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>
>> .
>> . CompUSA
>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Kolter.com LLC
>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Connecting Point
>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Collins Consulting
>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . Connecting Point Durango
>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
>>>relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>
>>>As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>department
>>>(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>>bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
>>>are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>>>Also,
>>>replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>>>limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>> for
>>>on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
>> a
>>>PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>>>drive
>>>twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>
>>>As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
>>>can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able
>> to
>>>find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
>> I
>>>tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
>> one
>>>that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
>>>Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>
>>>In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>> Macs
>>>and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>>from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>>>start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>>>first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>
>>>In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
>> best
>>>move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>>apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>widespread
>>>availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>>options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
>>>your
>>>own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>>competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>> new
>>>model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>>winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>>>them.
>>>
>>>So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
>>>costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>> It
>>>just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>>haven't used both though.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
>> on
>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>> order.
>>>>
>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
>> have
>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>>>> others
>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>>>> than
>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>>>> with
>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>> end
>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>> Sure
>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>> save
>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>>> tweaking,
>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>
>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>>> there's
>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
>> want
>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be able
>>>> to
>>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>> While
>>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>>>>> system,
>>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>>> on
>>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>> bloated
>>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the Mac
>> path
>>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>>>>> lower
>>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>>> FXTeleport.
>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>> like
>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #71021 is a reply to message #70997] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 06:12 |
Aaron Allen
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I don't know where you're buying your Dells at (talk to me, I can =
probably help you with that if you want one), but as a small business =
owner on the internet, this is what I saw. Note, I put TWO 3ghz dual =
core xeon's in this config, a 160 GB disk, 3 year onsite =
repair/replacement warranty, a 19" Flat Panel and a GB of RAM. Feel =
free to post Apple specs, I'll match and I don't think you'll hit $4000 =
on the Dell, not even close.=20
a..=20
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Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit:
Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 4M30 [222-1863] 1=20
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Genuine Windows=AE XP Professional, SP2 with =
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Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
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1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 =
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configuration SATA12 [341-3425] 9=20
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Boot Hard Drive:
160GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with =
8MB DataBurst CacheT 160ST [341-3408] 8=20
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48X/32X CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink =
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DT Adapter DW1450 [430-1181] 19=20
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1394a Controller Card 1394 [313-4162] 17=20
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Speakers:
Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell INTSPK =
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Resource CD - contains Diagnostics and Drivers =
RCD [313-4174] 21=20
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:44da0395$1@linux...
>=20
> As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the =
number
> of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher =
costs.=20
> It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the =
industry, because
> they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and =
prosper.
> They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the =
rest
> of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass =
production/number
> of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and =
have helped
> the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now =
they
> are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but =
it
> will depend on the number of units sold.
>=20
> If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you? =
I
> think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour =
and
> get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times =
the going
> rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is a =
difference.
> Security might be one of those differences, others may be only =
perceived
> differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple =
computer.
> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
>=20
> I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell =
Precision
> 490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I =
expect that
> the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell =
will buy
> and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
>=20
> Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It =
would be
> like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going =
to
> be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The =
reality
> is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't =
speak
> to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software =
and
> the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is =
for the
> most part headache free.
>=20
> I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added =
doodads
> and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the door. They knew =
that
> O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best effort. OSX is another story.
>=20
> Well that's my take on it.
>=20
> James
>=20
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>they are like custom aircraft
>>parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
>>
>>Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your =
experience
>>in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me =
with
>>statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of =
them
> to
>>be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify =
larger
>>production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer =
when
> one
>>of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably a =
bit
> of
>>both.
>>
>>sheesh!!
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I do use both platforms.
>>>
>>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>>search,
>>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't =
make
> the
>>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You =
might
>>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>>
>>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that =
there
>>are
>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>>
>>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, =
some
>>are
>>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>>
>>> Here are some sites:
>>>
>>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>>
>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>>
>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>>
>>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>>
>>> http://macromates.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>>
>>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>>
>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like =
custom
>>aircraft
>>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be =
able
>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>>
>>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a =
current
>>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>>
>>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple =
repair
>>centers
>>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does =
service
>>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send =
out
>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>>
>>> Some Apple service info:
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>>
>>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>>
>>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>>> .
>>> . Voelker Research
>>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Macmall
>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Netbuilders
>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>>
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Kolter.com LLC
>>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Connecting Point
>>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Collins Consulting
>>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Connecting Point Durango
>>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>>
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - =
it's
>>only
>>> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>> >
>>> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>department
>>> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a =
locked
>>> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same =
problem
> we
>>> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than =
$100.
>>Also,
>>> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just =
DVDs),
> is
>>> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have =
options
>>> for
>>> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. =
With
>>> a
>>> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the =
system
>>drive
>>> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the =
above.
>>> >
>>> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can =
say
>>you
>>> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always =
been
> able
>>> to
>>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last =
night
>>> I
>>> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't =
find
>>> one
>>> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on =
our
> OSX
>>> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>> >
>>> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap =
between
>>> Macs
>>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates =
them
>>> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once =
users
>>> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is =
always
> the
>>> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>> >
>>> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either =
the
>>> best
>>> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set =
Macs
>>> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>widespread
>>> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC =
repair
>>> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't =
do
> yo
>>ur
>>> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't =
exactly
>>> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as =
every
>>> new
>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard =
time
>>> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices =
put
>>them.
>>> >
>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, =
closed,
>>and
>>> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I =
don't.
>>> It
>>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those =
that
>>> >haven't used both though.
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >Dedric
>>> >
>>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran =
well
>>> on
>>> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in =
short
>>> order.
>>> >>
>>> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different =
chips.
>>> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, =
and
> they
>>> have
>>> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, =
for
>>others
>>> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
>>software
>>> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more =
software
>>than
>>> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
>>easier,
>>> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a =
studio.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to =
compete
>>with
>>> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, =
high
>>> end
>>> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC =
video.
>>> Sure
>>> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. =
You'll
>>> save
>>> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend =
hours
>>tweaking,
>>> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>> >>
>>> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. =
And
> then
>>> >> there's
>>> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, =
if
> you
>>> want
>>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>> >>
>>> >> James
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should =
be
>>able
>>> >> to
>>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and =
Windows.
>>> While
>>> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better =
hardware
>>system,
>>> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
>>numbers
>>> >> on
>>> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is =
most
>>> bloated
>>> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
>>oranges).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down =
the
> Mac
>>> path
>>> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair =
and
>>lower
>>> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>FXTeleport.
>>> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even =
generically
>>> like
>>> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for =
Nuendo
>>users.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dedric
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six =
months
>>you'll
>>> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> James
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that =
will
>>> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, =
you
>>understand.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> ;oD
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks =
interesting,
>>it's
>>> >>>> a
>>> >>>>> lot
>>> >>>>>>> of machine.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> James
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for =
configurations.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=3D80651
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
<TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN =
class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT=20
face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Date</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
<TD width=3D"47%"><SPAN class=3Dpara><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>8/10/2006 8:02:28 AM Central =
Standard=20
Time</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D4 =
height=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D2=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"2%" =
height=3D1><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
<TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN =
class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Catalog =
Number</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
<TD width=3D"47%"><SPAN class=3Dpara><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>5 Retail 555</FONT></SPAN></TD ></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D4 =
height=3D10><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D10=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR >
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 bgColor=3D#e7e7e7 =
colSpan=3D8=20
height=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG =
height=3D2=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"2%" height=3D1><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
<TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Catalog=20
=
Number / Description</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
<TD width=3D"20%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Product Code</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD width=3D"2%"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
<TD width=3D"18%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>SKU</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD width=3D"2%"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
<TD width=3D"5%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Id</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 bgColor=3D#e7e7e7 =
colSpan=3D8=20
height=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG =
height=3D2=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD colSpan=3D8><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG=20
style=3D"BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px; =
BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 100%; HEIGHT: =
5px; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 0px"=20
=
src=3D"http://img.dell.com/images/global/brand/title/shad.gif"></FONT></T=
D></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
height=3D5><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Dell Precision Workstation 490 =
MiniTower -=20
32bit:<BR>Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor =
5050 3.00GHz,=20
2 X 2MB L2, 667</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>4M30</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[222-1863]</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>1</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
height=3D5><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
<DIV><INPUT type=3Dhidden value=3DXPP2E =
name=3Dm_11><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Operating System:<BR>Genuine Windows=AE =
XP=20
Professional, SP2 with =
Media</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>XPP2E</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[420-4860]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>11</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DPR300 name=3Dm_2><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>2nd Processor:<BR>Dual Core Intel=AE =
Xeon=AE=20
Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2,=20
667</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>PR300</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[311-5942]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>2</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DNV285V name=3Dm_6><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Graphic Cards:<BR>128MB PCIe x16 nVidia =
Quadro=20
NVS 285, Dual VGA =
Capable</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>NV285V</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[320-4760]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>6</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3D1G2E name=3Dm_3><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
</FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Memory:<BR>1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, =
533MHz,=20
ECC (2 DIMMS)</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>1G2E</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[311-5946]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>3</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DSATA12 name=3Dm_9><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Hard Drive Configuration:<BR>C1 All =
SATA drives,=20
Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total=20
configuration</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>SATA12</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[341-3425]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>9</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3D160ST name=3Dm_8><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Boot Hard Drive:<BR>160GB SATA =
3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM=20
NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst=20
Cache=99</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>160ST</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[341-3408]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>8</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DCOMBO name=3Dm_16><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write =
Devices:<BR>48X/32X=20
CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink Power=20
DVD=99</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>COMBO</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[313-4295]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>16</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DFD name=3Dm_10><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
</FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader=20
Options:<BR>3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy=20
Drive</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>FD</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[341-3690]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>10</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DE196FP name=3Dm_5><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Monitors:<BR>Dell 19 inch E196 Flat =
Panel,=20
Analog</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>E196FP</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[320-4425]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>5</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DDW1450 name=3Dm_19><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Wireless:<BR>Dell Wireless 1450 (802.11 =
a/b/g)=20
WLAN USB 2.0 DT Adapter</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>DW1450</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[430-1181]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>19</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DU name=3Dm_4><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
</FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Keyboard:<BR>USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot =
Keys</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>U</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[310-7949]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>4</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DELD name=3Dm_12><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
</FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Mouse:<BR>Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical =
Mouse with=20
Scroll</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>ELD</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[310-7959]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>12</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3D1394 name=3Dm_17><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Sound Card and 1394:<BR>1394a =
Controller=20
Card</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>1394</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[313-4162]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>17</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DINTSPK name=3Dm_18><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Speakers:<BR>Internal Chassis=20
Speaker,Dell</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>INTSPK</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[313-4160]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>18</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DRCD name=3Dm_21><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
</FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Resource CD:<BR>Resource CD - contains=20
Diagnostics and Drivers</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>RCD</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[313-4174]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>21</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 =
border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
value=3DPAD3YR name=3Dm_29><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> </FONT>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Hardware Support Services:<BR>3 Year =
Business=20
Standard Plan</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>PAD3YR</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2> [902-4902][970-0762][970-6330][981-8388][984-2797][984-2798] </FO=
NT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
<TD>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>29</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5 =
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<DIV><INPUT type=3Dhidden value=3DNOINSTL =
name=3Dm_32><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
height=3D5><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
=
src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
=20
width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Installation Services:<BR>No Onsite =
System=20
Setup</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>NOINSTL</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>[900-9987]</FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
<TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>32</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD ></TR></TBODY></TA=
BLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE ></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"James McCloskey" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>excelsm@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
wrote in=20
message </FONT><A href=3D"news:44da0395$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:44da0395$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> As =
Tony said it's=20
supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the number<BR>> =
of units=20
that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher costs. <BR>> =
It's=20
also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the industry,=20
because<BR>> they charge higher prices per unit. They have to =
to=20
survive and prosper.<BR>> They have higher R&D cost because =
their=20
alone, they don't have the rest<BR>> of the industry doing R&D =
with=20
them. They also don't have the mass production/number<BR>> of=20
units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and =
have=20
helped<BR>> the with development dollars. It has been different =
for=20
Apple. Now they<BR>> are working with Intel, prices should =
start to go=20
down over time, but it<BR>> will depend on the number of units =
sold.<BR>>=20
<BR>> If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it =
would=20
you? I<BR>> think most of us would. I know of studios =
that charge=20
$300.00 an hour and<BR>> get it. I think it's crazy. =
There are=20
hotels that charge 20 times the going<BR>> rate and get it. =
It's just a=20
place to sleep at night, but there is a =
difference.<BR>> Security might=20
be one of those differences, others may be only perceived<BR>>=20
differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an =
Apple=20
computer.<BR>> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you =
really=20
blame them.<BR>> <BR>> I still think they are over priced, but =
look at=20
what a new Dell Precision<BR>> 490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the =
equivalent=20
Apple is $3299.00. I expect that<BR>> the Dell will cost less =
than the=20
Apple in two months, because Dell will buy<BR>> and sell more units, =
and get=20
better pricing. Time will tell.<BR>> <BR>> Comparing Apple =
to=20
building your own machine is a bit unfair. It would be<BR>> =
like=20
comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going =
to<BR>> be a=20
big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The =
reality<BR>> is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a =
Mac. =20
I can't speak<BR>> to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple =
creates=20
the software and<BR>> the hardware, and it is a tight integration =
that works=20
well, and is for the<BR>> most part headache free.<BR>> <BR>> I =
will=20
agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added=20
doodads<BR>> and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the =
door. =20
They knew that<BR>> O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best =
effort. =20
OSX is another story.<BR>> <BR>> Well that's my take on =
it.<BR>>=20
<BR>> James<BR>> <BR>> "DJ" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>they are like custom aircraft<BR>>>parts, =
they just=20
don't make enough of them to be cheap. <<BR>>><BR>>>Oh=20
brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your=20
experience<BR>>>in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but =
please=20
don't insult me with<BR>>>statements like this. The only reason =
they=20
wouldn't make eonough of them<BR>> to<BR>>>be cheap would be =
that they=20
didn't sell enough of them to justify larger<BR>>>production runs =
or they=20
just want to justify screwing the customer when<BR>> =
one<BR>>>of their=20
machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably a bit<BR>> =
of<BR>>>both.<BR>>><BR>>>sheesh!! <BR>>><BR>>&g=
t;<BR>>>"James=20
McCloskey" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>excelsm@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
wrote in=20
message<BR>>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...<BR>>>><BR>>>&g=
t; I do=20
use both platforms.<BR>>>><BR>>>> You can put a =
Pioneer DVD=20
drive in your Mac and it will work. Do=20
a<BR>>>search,<BR>>>> the are some Sony 16x models that =
will also=20
work. Apple doesn't make<BR>> the<BR>>>> system =
drives, so I=20
don't see how you can blame the for that. You =
might<BR>>>> want=20
to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the =
drive.<BR>>>><BR>>>>=20
I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that=20
there<BR>>>are<BR>>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm =
thinking a=20
ROM chip.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Text editor, please, there are =
plenty=20
of them out there that work, some<BR>>>are<BR>>>> free =
some are=20
not. What's wrong with text edit?<BR>>>><BR>>>> =
Here are=20
some sites:<BR>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D" http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l"><F=
ONT=20
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l</F=
ONT></A><BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/</FONT></A><BR><F=
ONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.nisus.com/Express/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.nisus.com/Express/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://macromates.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://macromates.com/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.tex-edit.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.tex-edit.com/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.jedit.org/"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>http://www.jedit.org/</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://smultron.sourceforge.net/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://smultron.sourceforge.net/</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always =
been=20
expensive, they are like custom<BR>>>aircraft<BR>>>> =
parts, they=20
just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be=20
able<BR>>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac=20
Pro<BR>>>><BR>>>> Your talking about a four or five =
year old=20
machine as if it were a current<BR>>>> model. Which Dual =
do you=20
have?<BR>>>><BR>>>> I would bet that if you really =
looked you=20
would find more Apple repair<BR>>>centers<BR>>>> and =
dealers in=20
your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does =
service<BR>>>>=20
now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even =
send=20
out<BR>>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary =
quick=20
turnaround.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Some Apple service=20
info:<BR>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html</FONT></A><BR><FON=
T=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.apple.com/support/products/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.apple.com/support/products/</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.apple.com/support/diy/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.apple.com/support/diy/</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>><BR>>>> Here's a quick search of service =
locations=20
in CO.:<BR>>>><BR>>>> locations near Colorado Springs, =
CO<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> . Voelker Research<BR>>>> =
.. 5026 N=20
Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> . =
CompUSA<BR>>>>=20
.. 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..=20
CompUSA<BR>>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO=20
80124<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> . Macmall<BR>>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd =
#300?Englewood,=20
CO 80111<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton<BR>>>> . 8601 West =
Cross=20
Drive?Littleton, CO 80123<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>> .=20
Netbuilders<BR>>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO=20
80227<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .=20
CompUSA<BR>>>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO =
80012<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..=20
CompUSA<BR>>>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO=20
80030<BR>>>><BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .=20
CompUSA<BR>>>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..=20
Digital Systems Inc.<BR>>>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO=20
81620<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.<BR>>>> . 319j Aspen =
Airport=20
Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> . Kolter.com LLC<BR>>>> . =
305 W=20
Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082<BR>>>> .<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> . Power Technology =
Solutions Grp Inc.<BR>>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO=20
80751<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> . Connecting Point<BR>>>> . 3223 E Pershing=20
Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> . Collins Consulting<BR>>>> =
.. 630=20
Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> =
..<BR>>>>=20
..<BR>>>> .<BR>>>> . Connecting Point =
Durango<BR>>>> .=20
835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO=20
81301<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>>=20
James<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>> Dedric Terry =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:dterry@keyofd.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>dterry@keyofd.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX =
is a=20
Nuendo issue - it's<BR>>>only<BR>>>> >relevant to =
Nuendo users=20
considering a platform.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >As far =
as=20
hardware? Macs are no longer different in the=20
chipset<BR>>>department<BR>>>> >(cpu), unless they =
will still=20
be relegated to motherboards with a locked<BR>>>> >bios chip =
(e.g.=20
Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem<BR>>=20
we<BR>>>> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would =
cost $700=20
for a new<BR>>>> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could =
replace=20
it for less than $100.<BR>>>Also,<BR>>>> >replacing =
the bad=20
"superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs),<BR>> =
is<BR>>>>=20
>limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have=20
options<BR>>>> for<BR>>>> >on my PC). =
Anything else=20
might not even work, according to Apple. With<BR>>>>=20
a<BR>>>> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've =
also=20
replaced the system<BR>>>drive<BR>>>> >twice on this=20
Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the =
above.<BR>>>>=20
><BR>>>> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 =
operating=20
systems, you can say<BR>>>you<BR>>>> >can run more =
software -=20
at least open it. However, I've always been<BR>> =
able<BR>>>>=20
to<BR>>>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with =
our Macs -=20
just last night<BR>>>> I<BR>>>> >tried to find a =
simple=20
text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find<BR>>>>=20
one<BR>>>> >that actually worked. I've run into more=20
"problems" like this on our<BR>> OSX<BR>>>> >Mac than =
anywhere=20
else, sad to say.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >In reality, =
Apple may=20
seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between<BR>>>>=20
Macs<BR>>>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the =
line=20
that separates them<BR>>>> >from a PC functionally and =
technically -=20
it all could backfire once users<BR>>>> >start to see them =
as even=20
more interchangeable (e.g. price is always<BR>> the<BR>>>> =
>first=20
deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any =
market).<BR>>>>=20
><BR>>>> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel =
platform=20
could be either the<BR>>>> best<BR>>>> >move they =
make, or=20
the last. That's really all that's left to set =
Macs<BR>>>>=20
>apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs,=20
or<BR>>>widespread<BR>>>> >availability (one Apple =
service=20
center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair<BR>>>> >options, =
including=20
Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do<BR>>=20
yo<BR>>>ur<BR>>>> >own). With a starting price =
of $2500=20
for a new Mac, they aren't exactly<BR>>>> >competing for a =
larger=20
market share now - pretty much the same as every<BR>>>>=20
new<BR>>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, =
Apple=20
will have a hard time<BR>>>> >winning the corporate/server =
market,=20
and that's where their prices put<BR>>>them.<BR>>>>=20
><BR>>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on =
more=20
expensive, closed,<BR>>>and<BR>>>> >costly to repair, =
and=20
impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I =
don't.<BR>>>> =20
It<BR>>>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great =
marketing=20
tactic for those that<BR>>>> >haven't used both=20
though.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> =
>Regards,<BR>>>>=20
>Dedric<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, =
in=20
article </FONT><A href=3D"mailto:44d90b0c$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>44d90b0c$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, "James =
McCloskey"<BR>>>> ><</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>excelsm@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >><BR>>>> =
>> I=20
don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran=20
well<BR>>>> on<BR>>>> >> a Mac??? If it's =
a=20
problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short<BR>>>>=20
order.<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >> As far as mac =
hardware=20
goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.<BR>>>> =
>>=20
Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, =
and<BR>>=20
they<BR>>>> have<BR>>>> >> for years. For =
some=20
that will be worth the price of admission, =
for<BR>>>others<BR>>>>=20
>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and=20
Windows<BR>>>software<BR>>>> >> since the early =
90s, and=20
UNIX since 2001. You can run more =
software<BR>>>than<BR>>>>=20
>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. =
It's=20
just<BR>>>easier,<BR>>>> >> faster and less =
expensive=20
now. That could only be good for a studio.<BR>>>>=20
>><BR>>>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, =
but it=20
will be hard to compete<BR>>>with<BR>>>> >> what =
apple is=20
offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, =
high<BR>>>>=20
end<BR>>>> >> machine. Look at the comparative =
costs to the=20
Dell in the WWDC video.<BR>>>> Sure<BR>>>> =
>> you=20
can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. =20
You'll<BR>>>> save<BR>>>> >> money up front, but =
not in=20
the long run when you have to spend =
hours<BR>>>tweaking,<BR>>>>=20
>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work=20
right.<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >> Once again for =
me it's=20
ease of use, less headaches, and time. And<BR>> =
then<BR>>>>=20
>> there's<BR>>>> >> the software, I hate software =
that=20
gets in the way. By the way, if<BR>> you<BR>>>>=20
want<BR>>>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC =
Keynote=20
video; )<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >> =
</FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>> >><BR>>>> >> =
James<BR>>>>=20
>><BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >> Dedric Terry=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:dterry@keyofd.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>dterry@keyofd.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> >>> Six months? Once more =
woodcrest chips=20
are available you should be<BR>>>able<BR>>>> >>=20
to<BR>>>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the =
battle is=20
between OSX and Windows.<BR>>>> While<BR>>>> =
>>> this=20
was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better=20
hardware<BR>>>system,<BR>>>> >>> it did narrow =
the=20
distinction between the Mac and PC.<BR>>>> =
>>><BR>>>>=20
>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better=20
performance<BR>>>numbers<BR>>>> >> =
on<BR>>>>=20
>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which =
OS is=20
most<BR>>>> bloated<BR>>>> >>> (given that it =
would=20
ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples =
and<BR>>>oranges).<BR>>>>=20
>>><BR>>>> >>> The main reason I've stayed =
with PCs=20
(despite having been down the<BR>> Mac<BR>>>> =
path<BR>>>>=20
>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of =
repair=20
and<BR>>>lower<BR>>>> >>> repair costs, much =
larger pool=20
of available software, and now,<BR>>>FXTeleport.<BR>>>>=20
>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't =
even=20
generically<BR>>>> like<BR>>>> >>> =
Windows. OSX=20
looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for=20
Nuendo<BR>>>users.<BR>>>> >>><BR>>>>=20
>>> Dedric<BR>>>> >>><BR>>>> =
>>> On=20
8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article </FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:44d891c8@linux"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>44d891c8@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>, "James=20
McCloskey"<BR>>>> >>> <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>excelsm@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> >>><BR>>>>=20
>>>><BR>>>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, =
your a=20
PC guy. Besides, with in six =
months<BR>>>you'll<BR>>>>=20
>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less=20
money.<BR>>>> >>>><BR>>>> >>>> =
James<BR>>>> >>>><BR>>>> =
>>>>> "DJ"=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> >>>>>> Are these dual core =
Woodcrest=20
CPU's the most recent ones that will<BR>>>> =
>>>>>>=20
outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot =
of<BR>>>>=20
>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be =
interested in a=20
Mac, you<BR>>>understand.<BR>>>>=20
>>>>>><BR>>>> >>>>>>=20
;oD<BR>>>> >>>>>><BR>>>>=20
>>>>>><BR>>>> >>>>>> "James =
McCloskey" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>excelsm@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
wrote in=20
message<BR>>>> >>>>>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"news:44d7ba40$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:44d7ba40$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...<BR>>>> =
>>>>>>><BR >>>>=20
>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. =
It all=20
looks interesting,<BR>>>it's<BR>>>> >>>>=20
a<BR>>>> >>>>> lot<BR>>>>=20
>>>>>>> of machine.<BR>>>>=20
>>>>>>><BR >>>> =
>>>>>>>=20
James<BR>>>> >>>>>>><BR >>>>=20
>>>>>>><BR >>>> =
>>>>>>> "James=20
McCloskey" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>excelsm@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> >>>>>>>& ;gt; <BR>>>>=20
>>>>>>>& ;gt; Here is the link, check out the buy it =
now for=20
configurations.<BR>>>> =
>>>>>>>& ;gt; <BR>>>>=20
>>>>>>>& ;gt; </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.apple.com/macpro/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.apple.com/macpro/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>> >>>>>>>& ;gt; <BR>>>>=20
>>>>>>>& ;gt; "LaMont" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>jjdpro@ameritech.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
wrote:<BR>>>> =
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=3D80651</FONT></=
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Thu, 10 August 2006 06:53 |
LaMont
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Hi Arron,
James got that price from Apples keynote speech at WDC. it's typicle Apple,
pulling "old" princing info on product to justify their pricing.
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
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>I don't know where you're buying your Dells at (talk to me, I can =
>probably help you with that if you want one), but as a small business =
>owner on the internet, this is what I saw. Note, I put TWO 3ghz dual =
>core xeon's in this config, a 160 GB disk, 3 year onsite =
>repair/replacement warranty, a 19" Flat Panel and a GB of RAM. Feel =
>free to post Apple specs, I'll match and I don't think you'll hit $4000
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>on the Dell, not even close.=20
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> a..=20
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>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>news:44da0395$1@linux...
>>=20
>> As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the =
>number
>> of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher =
>costs.=20
>> It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the =
>industry, because
>> they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and =
>prosper.
>> They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the =
>rest
>> of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass =
>production/number
>> of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and =
>have helped
>> the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now =
>they
>> are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but
=
>it
>> will depend on the number of units sold.
>>=20
>> If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you?
=
> I
>> think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour
=
>and
>> get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times =
>the going
>> rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is a
=
>difference.
>> Security might be one of those differences, others may be only =
>perceived
>> differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple
=
>computer.
>> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
>>=20
>> I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell =
>Precision
>> 490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I =
>expect that
>> the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell =
>will buy
>> and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
>>=20
>> Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It =
>would be
>> like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going
=
>to
>> be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The =
>reality
>> is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't =
>speak
>> to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software
=
>and
>> the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is =
>for the
>> most part headache free.
>>=20
>> I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added =
>doodads
>> and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the door. They knew =
>that
>> O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best effort. OSX is another story.
>>=20
>> Well that's my take on it.
>>=20
>> James
>>=20
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>they are like custom aircraft
>>>parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
>>>
>>>Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your =
>experience
>>>in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me
=
>with
>>>statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of =
>them
>> to
>>>be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify =
>larger
>>>production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer =
>when
>> one
>>>of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably a
=
>bit
>> of
>>>both.
>>>
>>>sheesh!!
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I do use both platforms.
>>>>
>>>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>>>search,
>>>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't =
>make
>> the
>>>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You =
>might
>>>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that =
>there
>>>are
>>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>>>
>>>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, =
>some
>>>are
>>>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>>>
>>>> Here are some sites:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>>>
>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>>>
>>>> http://macromates.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>>>
>>>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>>>
>>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like =
>custom
>>>aircraft
>>>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be
=
>able
>>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>>>
>>>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a =
>current
>>>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>>>
>>>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple =
>repair
>>>centers
>>>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does =
>service
>>>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send
=
>out
>>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>>>
>>>> Some Apple service info:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>>>
>>>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>>>
>>>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>>>> .
>>>> . Voelker Research
>>>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Macmall
>>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>>>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Netbuilders
>>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Kolter.com LLC
>>>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Connecting Point
>>>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Collins Consulting
>>>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Connecting Point Durango
>>>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - =
>it's
>>>only
>>>> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>> >
>>>> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>department
>>>> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a =
>locked
>>>> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same =
>problem
>> we
>>>> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than =
>$100.
>>>Also,
>>>> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just =
>DVDs),
>> is
>>>> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have =
>options
>>>> for
>>>> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple.
=
>With
>>>> a
>>>> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the =
>system
>>>drive
>>>> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the =
>above.
>>>> >
>>>> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can
=
>say
>>>you
>>>> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always =
>been
>> able
>>>> to
>>>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
=
>night
>>>> I
>>>> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't
=
>find
>>>> one
>>>> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on =
>our
>> OSX
>>>> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>> >
>>>> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap =
>between
>>>> Macs
>>>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates
=
>them
>>>> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
=
>users
>>>> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is =
>always
>> the
>>>> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>> >
>>>> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either
=
>the
>>>> best
>>>> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set
=
>Macs
>>>> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>widespread
>>>> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
=
>repair
>>>> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't
=
>do
>> yo
>>>ur
>>>> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't =
>exactly
>>>> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as =
>every
>>>> new
>>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard =
>time
>>>> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices
=
>put
>>>them.
>>>> >
>>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, =
>closed,
>>>and
>>>> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I =
>don't.
>>>> It
>>>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those
=
>that
>>>> >haven't used both though.
>>>> >
>>>> >Regards,
>>>> >Dedric
>>>> >
>>>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran
=
>well
>>>> on
>>>> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in =
>short
>>>> order.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different
=
>chips.
>>>> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, =
>and
>> they
>>>> have
>>>> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, =
>for
>>>others
>>>> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
>>>software
>>>> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more =
>software
>>>than
>>>> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
>>>easier,
>>>> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a =
>studio.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to =
>compete
>>>with
>>>> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek,
=
>high
>>>> end
>>>> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC =
>video.
>>>> Sure
>>>> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. =
>You'll
>>>> save
>>>> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend =
>hours
>>>tweaking,
>>>> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. =
>And
>> then
>>>> >> there's
>>>> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way,
=
>if
>> you
>>>> want
>>>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>> >>
>>>> >> James
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should
=
>be
>>>able
>>>> >> to
>>>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and =
>Windows.
>>>> While
>>>> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better =
>hardware
>>>system,
>>>> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
>>>numbers
>>>> >> on
>>>> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is
=
>most
>>>> bloated
>>>> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
>>>oranges).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down =
>the
>> Mac
>>>> path
>>>> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair
=
>and
>>>lower
>>>> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>FXTeleport.
>>>> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even =
>generically
>>>> like
>>>> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for =
>Nuendo
>>>users.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Dedric
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six =
>months
>>>you'll
>>>> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> James
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that
=
>will
>>>> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, =
>you
>>>understand.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> ;oD
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks =
>interesting,
>>>it's
>>>> >>>> a
>>>> >>>>> lot
>>>> >>>>>>> of machine.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> James
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for =
>configurations.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=3D80651
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
> <TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN =
>class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT=20
> face=3DArial =
>size=3D2>Date</FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
> <TD width=3D"47%"><SPAN class=3Dpara><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>8/10/2006 8:02:28 AM Central =
>Standard=20
> Time</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D4 =
>height=3D2><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D2=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"2%" =
>height=3D1><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
> <TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN =
>class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2>Catalog =
>Number</FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
> <TD width=3D"47%"><SPAN class=3Dpara><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D2>5 Retail 555</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D4 =
>height=3D10><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D10=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR >
> <TR>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 bgColor=3D#e7e7e7 =
>colSpan=3D8=20
> height=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG =
>height=3D2=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"2%" height=3D1><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
> <TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Catalog=20
> =
>Number / Description</FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
> <TD width=3D"20%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Product Code</FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD width=3D"2%"><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
> <TD width=3D"18%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>SKU</FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD width=3D"2%"><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
> <TD width=3D"5%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Id</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 bgColor=3D#e7e7e7 =
>colSpan=3D8=20
> height=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG =
>height=3D2=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD colSpan=3D8><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG=20
> style=3D"BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px; =
>BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 100%; HEIGHT: =
>5px; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 0px"=20
> =
>src=3D"http://img.dell.com/images/global/brand/title/shad.gif"></FONT></T=
>D></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
>height=3D5><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Dell Precision Workstation 490 =
>MiniTower -=20
> 32bit:<BR>Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor =
>5050 3.00GHz,=20
> 2 X 2MB L2, 667</FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>4M30</FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[222-1863]</FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>1</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
>height=3D5><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
> <DIV><INPUT type=3Dhidden value=3DXPP2E =
>name=3Dm_11><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Operating System:<BR>Genuine Windows=AE
=
>XP=20
> Professional, SP2 with =
>Media</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>XPP2E</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[420-4860]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>11</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DPR300 name=3Dm_2><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>2nd Processor:<BR>Dual Core Intel=AE =
>Xeon=AE=20
> Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2,=20
> 667</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>PR300</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[311-5942]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>2</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DNV285V name=3Dm_6><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Graphic Cards:<BR>128MB PCIe x16 nVidia
=
>Quadro=20
> NVS 285, Dual VGA =
>Capable</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>NV285V</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[320-4760]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>6</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3D1G2E name=3Dm_3><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
=
></FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Memory:<BR>1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory,
=
>533MHz,=20
> ECC (2 DIMMS)</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>1G2E</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[311-5946]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>3</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DSATA12 name=3Dm_9><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Hard Drive Configuration:<BR>C1 All =
>SATA drives,=20
> Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total=20
> configuration</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>SATA12</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[341-3425]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>9</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3D160ST name=3Dm_8><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Boot Hard Drive:<BR>160GB SATA =
>3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM=20
> NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst=20
> Cache=99</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>160ST</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[341-3408]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>8</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DCOMBO name=3Dm_16><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write =
>Devices:<BR>48X/32X=20
> CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink Power=20
> DVD=99</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>COMBO</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[313-4295]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>16</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DFD name=3Dm_10><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
=
></FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader=20
> Options:<BR>3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy=20
> Drive</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>FD</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[341-3690]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>10</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DE196FP name=3Dm_5><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Monitors:<BR>Dell 19 inch E196 Flat =
>Panel,=20
> Analog</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>E196FP</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[320-4425]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>5</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DDW1450 name=3Dm_19><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Wireless:<BR>Dell Wireless 1450 (802.11
=
>a/b/g)=20
> WLAN USB 2.0 DT Adapter</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>DW1450</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[430-1181]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>19</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DU name=3Dm_4><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
></FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Keyboard:<BR>USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot
=
>
> Keys</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>U</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[310-7949]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>4</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3DELD name=3Dm_12><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
=
></FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Mouse:<BR>Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical
=
>Mouse with=20
> Scroll</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>ELD</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[310-7959]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>12</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 =
>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
> value=3D1394 name=3Dm_17><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2> </FONT>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
=
>
> =
>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>=20
> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Sound Card and 1394:<BR>1394a =
>Controller=20
> Card</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>1394</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>[313-4162]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
> <TD>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>17</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #71024 is a reply to message #70997] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 07:00 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
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James maybe on to something. Could explain why People spend upwards to 20-30k
for full-blown ProTools HDrig.
I heard that those HDprofit margins are inthe range of 300 to 400 percent.
YET, people buy this system. back in 1997, when I was on the fence as to
purchase my PRO DAW Paris or PTMix. It came down to $2600.00 vs $10K. Well,
I choose Paris.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the number
>of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher costs.
>It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the industry,
because
>they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and prosper.
> They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the rest
>of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass production/number
>of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and have
helped
>the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now they
>are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but it
>will depend on the number of units sold.
>
>If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you?
I
>think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour and
>get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times the
going
>rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is a difference.
> Security might be one of those differences, others may be only perceived
>differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple computer.
> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
>
>I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell Precision
>490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I expect
that
>the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell will
buy
>and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
>
>Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It would
be
>like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going to
>be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The reality
>is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't speak
>to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software and
>the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is for
the
>most part headache free.
>
>I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added doodads
>and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the door. They knew that
>O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best effort. OSX is another story.
>
>Well that's my take on it.
>
>James
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>they are like custom aircraft
>>parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
>>
>>Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your experience
>>in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me with
>>statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of them
>to
>>be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify larger
>>production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer when
>one
>>of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably a bit
>of
>>both.
>>
>>sheesh!!
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I do use both platforms.
>>>
>>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>>search,
>>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make
>the
>>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
>>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>>
>>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
>>are
>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>>
>>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
>>are
>>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>>
>>> Here are some sites:
>>>
>>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>>
>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>>
>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>>
>>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>>
>>> http://macromates.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>>
>>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>>
>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
>>aircraft
>>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>>
>>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
>>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>>
>>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
>>centers
>>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
>>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send
out
>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>>
>>> Some Apple service info:
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>>
>>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>>
>>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>>> .
>>> . Voelker Research
>>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Macmall
>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Netbuilders
>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>>
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Kolter.com LLC
>>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Connecting Point
>>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Collins Consulting
>>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Connecting Point Durango
>>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>>
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
>>only
>>> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>> >
>>> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>department
>>> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
>we
>>> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>>Also,
>>> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs),
>is
>>> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>>> for
>>> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple.
With
>>> a
>>> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>>drive
>>> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>> >
>>> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
>>you
>>> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
>able
>>> to
>>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
night
>>> I
>>> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't
find
>>> one
>>> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
>OSX
>>> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>> >
>>> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>>> Macs
>>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates
them
>>> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
users
>>> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always
>the
>>> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>> >
>>> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either
the
>>> best
>>> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>widespread
>>> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't
do
>yo
>>ur
>>> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>>> new
>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>>them.
>>> >
>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
>>and
>>> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>>> It
>>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those
that
>>> >haven't used both though.
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >Dedric
>>> >
>>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran
well
>>> on
>>> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>>> order.
>>> >>
>>> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and
>they
>>> have
>>> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>>others
>>> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
>>software
>>> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>>than
>>> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
>>easier,
>>> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>>with
>>> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>>> end
>>> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>>> Sure
>>> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>>> save
>>> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>tweaking,
>>> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>> >>
>>> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And
>then
>>> >> there's
>>> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if
>you
>>> want
>>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>> >>
>>> >> James
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
>>able
>>> >> to
>>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>>> While
>>> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>>system,
>>> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
>>numbers
>>> >> on
>>> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>>> bloated
>>> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
>>oranges).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the
>Mac
>>> path
>>> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>>lower
>>> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>FXTeleport.
>>> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>>> like
>>> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>>users.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dedric
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>>you'll
>>> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> James
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that
will
>>> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>understand.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> ;oD
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>>it's
>>> >>>> a
>>> >>>>> lot
>>> >>>>>>> of machine.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> James
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #71025 is a reply to message #70994] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 07:07 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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I'm sorry buddy :), but that "Apple Number#1 in customer support is false.
Dell has had that distiction for 11 years running. JD Power and other industry
metrics. Look it up.
I'm a 20 year IT Dude, 10 with GM, and our standard desktop up until 1995
was the Mac IIci(alltime favorite mac)!! the support Apple was spotty at
best. But, when we went with DEll, we imediatly saw difference in support
quality. And to this day, Dell's customer support is in a league of their
own. Just like Lexus, Dell continues to set the benchmark in support.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Well I'll just speak to what I know of Apple. I was a dealer at one time,
>and their service was out standing. At the time they were number one the
>the industry year after year.
>
>If you get a defective machine, you can return it with in 30 days. Their
>is a standard one year warranty on hardware. They will replace any thing
>that is defective free of charge in that year. if you get the extended
warranty
>they will replace any thing that is defective free of charge for three years,
>including shipping. You can add the extended warranty any time in the first
>year, and they have extended that to me and others I know past the first
>year.
>
>I had a head crash on a lap top at the end of my warranty, I had my lap
top
>back in 48 hours with a new larger hard drive. Apple offered to back up
>my old drive on my new drive even though my damaged hard drive was not mechanically
>working, it was just clicking and making a grinding noise.
>
>I had a doctor in rural AL. that had a problem with a Mac clone machine
I
>sold him. I couldn't find somebody to service that machine at his office.
> I called Apple, they sent a guy out that fixed his clone machine with in
>two hours and charged less than the going rate.
>
>Those are just two of my experiences with Apple service. I think their
pretty
>good.
>
>I know that on other audio boards some people are still using the G4 FW800
>machines. I'm not sure what was up with Rick's machine. Apple is known
>for replacing the whole machine when a customer is really unhappy and there
>has been a lot of repairs. However it sounds like Apple dropped the ball
>on this one.
>
>I think a letter from an attorney would have gotten Ricks money back, time
>is another story. There are Lemon laws that apply to computers also that
>may still be exercisable.
>
>I'm sorry about what happened to Rick, it wasn't right.
>
>James
>
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>James, love ya man... but I have to take this one a little out of context
>
>>for humor's sake :)
>>
>>*Apple has vary quick turnaround.*
>>
>>Yup, they turned Rick around pretty quick and repeatedly as I remember..
>
>>poor uncle rick....
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I do use both platforms.
>>>
>>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>>> search,
>>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make
>the
>>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
>>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>>
>>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
>
>>> are
>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>>
>>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
>
>>> are
>>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>>
>>> Here are some sites:
>>>
>>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>>
>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>>
>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>>
>>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>>
>>> http://macromates.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>>
>>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>>
>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
>
>>> aircraft
>>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be able
>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>>
>>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
>>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>>
>>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
>
>>> centers
>>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
>>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send
out
>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>>
>>> Some Apple service info:
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>>
>>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>>
>>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>>> .
>>> . Voelker Research
>>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Macmall
>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Netbuilders
>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>>
>>> .
>>> . CompUSA
>>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Kolter.com LLC
>>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Connecting Point
>>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Collins Consulting
>>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Connecting Point Durango
>>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>>
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
>only
>>>>relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>>
>>>>As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>>department
>>>>(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>>>bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
>we
>>>>are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>>motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>>>>Also,
>>>>replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs),
is
>>>>limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>>> for
>>>>on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
>>> a
>>>>PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>
>>>>drive
>>>>twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>>
>>>>As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
>you
>>>>can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
able
>>> to
>>>>find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
>>> I
>>>>tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
>>> one
>>>>that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
>OSX
>>>>Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>>
>>>>In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>>> Macs
>>>>and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>>>from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>>>>start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always
the
>>>>first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>>
>>>>In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
>>> best
>>>>move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>>>apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>>widespread
>>>>availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>>>options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
>
>>>>your
>>>>own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>>>competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>>> new
>>>>model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>>>winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>>So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
>and
>>>>costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>>> It
>>>>just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>>>haven't used both though.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
>>> on
>>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>>> order.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and
they
>>> have
>>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>
>>>>> others
>>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>
>>>>> than
>>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>
>>>>> with
>>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>>> end
>>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>>> Sure
>>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>>> save
>>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>
>>>>> tweaking,
>>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And
then
>>>>> there's
>>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if
>you
>>> want
>>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
>able
>>>>> to
>>>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>>> While
>>>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>
>>>>>> system,
>>>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>>>> on
>>>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>>> bloated
>>>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the
>Mac
>>> path
>>>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>
>>>>>> lower
>>>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>>>> FXTeleport.
>>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>>> like
>>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>
>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>
>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #71050 is a reply to message #71025] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 18:16 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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It's hard to find any thing about it from the 90s in a search, but I do know
what I'm talking about. I kept up on this stuff back then. Apple was number
one in customer service and customer satisfaction. I was an authorized dealer
back then for the following companies, Apple, Radius, UMAX, PowerComputing,
Motorola, IBM, Toshiba, HP, Compaq, Acer, NEC, and about a dozen others.
I don't have hours right now to look for the articles, but I know I kept
some of them. When I come across them I will post them!
So who do you think is number one right now?
Take a look!
2006
http://www.itworld.com/Comp/1181/050816dellrating/
2006
http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/08/16/apple.no..1.on.csi/
2005
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0 ,10801,103959,00.html
2004
http://news.com.com/2100-1042-5162141.html
2004
http://www.techworld.com/networking/news/index.cfm?NewsID=21 24&Page=1&pagePos=4
I guess it depends where you get your info. One thing I can tell you is
JD Powers and Associates said Apple was number one at one point and time
back then. I just have to find the article.
James
"LaMont Davis" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>I'm sorry buddy :), but that "Apple Number#1 in customer support is false.
>Dell has had that distiction for 11 years running. JD Power and other industry
>metrics. Look it up.
>
>I'm a 20 year IT Dude, 10 with GM, and our standard desktop up until 1995
>was the Mac IIci(alltime favorite mac)!! the support Apple was spotty at
>best. But, when we went with DEll, we imediatly saw difference in support
>quality. And to this day, Dell's customer support is in a league of their
>own. Just like Lexus, Dell continues to set the benchmark in support.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well I'll just speak to what I know of Apple. I was a dealer at one time,
>>and their service was out standing. At the time they were number one the
>>the industry year after year.
>>
>>If you get a defective machine, you can return it with in 30 days. Their
>>is a standard one year warranty on hardware. They will replace any thing
>>that is defective free of charge in that year. if you get the extended
>warranty
>>they will replace any thing that is defective free of charge for three
years,
>>including shipping. You can add the extended warranty any time in the
first
>>year, and they have extended that to me and others I know past the first
>>year.
>>
>>I had a head crash on a lap top at the end of my warranty, I had my lap
>top
>>back in 48 hours with a new larger hard drive. Apple offered to back up
>>my old drive on my new drive even though my damaged hard drive was not
mechanically
>>working, it was just clicking and making a grinding noise.
>>
>>I had a doctor in rural AL. that had a problem with a Mac clone machine
>I
>>sold him. I couldn't find somebody to service that machine at his office.
>> I called Apple, they sent a guy out that fixed his clone machine with
in
>>two hours and charged less than the going rate.
>>
>>Those are just two of my experiences with Apple service. I think their
>pretty
>>good.
>>
>>I know that on other audio boards some people are still using the G4 FW800
>>machines. I'm not sure what was up with Rick's machine. Apple is known
>>for replacing the whole machine when a customer is really unhappy and there
>>has been a lot of repairs. However it sounds like Apple dropped the ball
>>on this one.
>>
>>I think a letter from an attorney would have gotten Ricks money back, time
>>is another story. There are Lemon laws that apply to computers also that
>>may still be exercisable.
>>
>>I'm sorry about what happened to Rick, it wasn't right.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>James, love ya man... but I have to take this one a little out of context
>>
>>>for humor's sake :)
>>>
>>>*Apple has vary quick turnaround.*
>>>
>>>Yup, they turned Rick around pretty quick and repeatedly as I remember..
>>
>>>poor uncle rick....
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I do use both platforms.
>>>>
>>>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>>>> search,
>>>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't make
>>the
>>>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You might
>>>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that there
>>
>>>> are
>>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>>>
>>>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work, some
>>
>>>> are
>>>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>>>
>>>> Here are some sites:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>>>
>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>>>
>>>> http://macromates.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>>>
>>>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>>>
>>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like custom
>>
>>>> aircraft
>>>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be
able
>>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>>>
>>>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a current
>>>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>>>
>>>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple repair
>>
>>>> centers
>>>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does service
>>>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send
>out
>>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>>>
>>>> Some Apple service info:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>>>
>>>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>>>
>>>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>>>> .
>>>> . Voelker Research
>>>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Macmall
>>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>>>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Netbuilders
>>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> . CompUSA
>>>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Kolter.com LLC
>>>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Connecting Point
>>>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Collins Consulting
>>>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> . Connecting Point Durango
>>>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's
>>only
>>>>>relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>>>department
>>>>>(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>>>>bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem
>>we
>>>>>are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>>>motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>
>>>>>Also,
>>>>>replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs),
>is
>>>>>limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>>>> for
>>>>>on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple.
With
>>>> a
>>>>>PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>>
>>>>>drive
>>>>>twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say
>>you
>>>>>can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been
>able
>>>> to
>>>>>find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
night
>>>> I
>>>>>tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't
find
>>>> one
>>>>>that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our
>>OSX
>>>>>Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>>>
>>>>>In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>>>> Macs
>>>>>and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates
them
>>>>>from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
users
>>>>>start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always
>the
>>>>>first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>>>
>>>>>In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either
the
>>>> best
>>>>>move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>>>>apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>>>widespread
>>>>>availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>>>>options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't
do
>>
>>>>>your
>>>>>own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>>>>competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>>>> new
>>>>>model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>>>>winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>>
>>>>>them.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed,
>>and
>>>>>costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>>>> It
>>>>>just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those
that
>>>>>haven't used both though.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran
well
>>>> on
>>>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>>>> order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and
>they
>>>> have
>>>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>>
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>>
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>>
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>>>> end
>>>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>>>> Sure
>>>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>>>> save
>>>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>
>>>>>> tweaking,
>>>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And
>then
>>>>>> there's
>>>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if
>>you
>>>> want
>>>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
>>able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>>>> While
>>>>>>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>>
>>>>>>> system,
>>>>>>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance numbers
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>>>> bloated
>>>>>>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and oranges).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the
>>Mac
>>>> path
>>>>>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>>
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>>>>> FXTeleport.
>>>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>>>> like
>>>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>>
>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>>
>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that
will
>>>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>
>>>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #71051 is a reply to message #71023] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 18:26 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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NOPE! I got the price right from Dell the other day, and it's also in DV
Magazine, in a Dell print ad on the last page of the September issue I got
three days ago. I'm thinking Dell did some price changes! Now who has inflated
prices?
James
"LaMont Davis" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hi Arron,
>James got that price from Apples keynote speech at WDC. it's typicle Apple,
>pulling "old" princing info on product to justify their pricing.
>
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>------=_NextPart_001_00AA_01C6BC54.ADCC9B20
>>
>>I don't know where you're buying your Dells at (talk to me, I can =
>>probably help you with that if you want one), but as a small business =
>>owner on the internet, this is what I saw. Note, I put TWO 3ghz dual =
>>core xeon's in this config, a 160 GB disk, 3 year onsite =
>>repair/replacement warranty, a 19" Flat Panel and a GB of RAM. Feel =
>>free to post Apple specs, I'll match and I don't think you'll hit $4000
>=
>>on the Dell, not even close.=20
>>
>> a..=20
>> a.. Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit=20
>> =20
>> $2,417=20
>> =20
>> =20
>>
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Date 8/10/2006 8:02:28 AM Central =
>>Standard Time=20
>> =20
>> Catalog Number 5 Retail 555=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Catalog Number / Description Product Code SKU
>=
>> Id=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit:
>> Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
>>3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 4M30 [222-1863] 1=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Operating System:
>> Genuine Windows=AE XP Professional, SP2 with =
>>Media XPP2E [420-4860] 11=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> 2nd Processor:
>> Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
>>3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 PR300 [311-5942] 2=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Graphic Cards:
>> 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro NVS 285, Dual VGA
=
>>Capable NV285V [320-4760] 6=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Memory:
>> 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 =
>>DIMMS) 1G2E [311-5946] 3=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Hard Drive Configuration:
>> C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total
>=
>>configuration SATA12 [341-3425] 9=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Boot Hard Drive:
>> 160GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with
>=
>>8MB DataBurst CacheT 160ST [341-3408] 8=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices:
>> 48X/32X CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink =
>>Power DVDT COMBO [313-4295] 16=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options:
>> 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive FD [341-3690]
> =
>>10=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Monitors:
>> Dell 19 inch E196 Flat Panel, Analog E196FP
>=
>>[320-4425] 5=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Wireless:
>> Dell Wireless 1450 (802.11 a/b/g) WLAN USB 2.0
=
>>DT Adapter DW1450 [430-1181] 19=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Keyboard:
>> USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys U [310-7949]
>=
>> 4=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Mouse:
>> Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
> =
>>ELD [310-7959] 12=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Sound Card and 1394:
>> 1394a Controller Card 1394 [313-4162] 17=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Speakers:
>> Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell INTSPK =
>>[313-4160] 18=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Resource CD:
>> Resource CD - contains Diagnostics and Drivers
> =
>>RCD [313-4174] 21=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Hardware Support Services:
>> 3 Year Business Standard Plan PAD3YR =
>> [902-4902][970-0762][970-6330][981-8388][984-2797][984-2798] 29=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Installation Services:
>> No Onsite System Setup NOINSTL [900-9987]
>=
>>32=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>>news:44da0395$1@linux...
>>>=20
>>> As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the
=
>>number
>>> of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher =
>>costs.=20
>>> It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the =
>>industry, because
>>> they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and =
>>prosper.
>>> They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the =
>>rest
>>> of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass =
>>production/number
>>> of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and =
>>have helped
>>> the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now
=
>>they
>>> are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but
>=
>>it
>>> will depend on the number of units sold.
>>>=20
>>> If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you?
>=
>> I
>>> think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour
>=
>>and
>>> get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times =
>>the going
>>> rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is a
>=
>>difference.
>>> Security might be one of those differences, others may be only =
>>perceived
>>> differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple
>=
>>computer.
>>> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
>>>=20
>>> I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell =
>>Precision
>>> 490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I =
>>expect that
>>> the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell =
>>will buy
>>> and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
>>>=20
>>> Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It =
>>would be
>>> like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going
>=
>>to
>>> be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The =
>>reality
>>> is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't =
>>speak
>>> to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software
>=
>>and
>>> the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is =
>>for the
>>> most part headache free.
>>>=20
>>> I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added =
>>doodads
>>> and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the door. They knew =
>>that
>>> O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best effort. OSX is another story.
>>>=20
>>> Well that's my take on it.
>>>=20
>>> James
>>>=20
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>they are like custom aircraft
>>>>parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
>>>>
>>>>Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your =
>>experience
>>>>in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me
>=
>>with
>>>>statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of =
>>them
>>> to
>>>>be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify =
>>larger
>>>>production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer =
>>when
>>> one
>>>>of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably a
>=
>>bit
>>> of
>>>>both.
>>>>
>>>>sheesh!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I do use both platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do a
>>>>search,
>>>>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't =
>>make
>>> the
>>>>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You
=
>>might
>>>>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that =
>>there
>>>>are
>>>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work,
=
>>some
>>>>are
>>>>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some sites:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://macromates.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>
>>>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like =
>>custom
>>>>aircraft
>>>>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be
>=
>>able
>>>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>>>>
>>>>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a
=
>>current
>>>>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple =
>>repair
>>>>centers
>>>>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does
=
>>service
>>>>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send
>=
>>out
>>>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some Apple service info:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>>>>
>>>>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Voelker Research
>>>>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Macmall
>>>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>>>>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Netbuilders
>>>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>>>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>>>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Kolter.com LLC
>>>>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>>>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Connecting Point
>>>>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Collins Consulting
>>>>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> .
>>>>> . Connecting Point Durango
>>>>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue - =
>>it's
>>>>only
>>>>> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>>department
>>>>> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a
=
>>locked
>>>>> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same =
>>problem
>>> we
>>>>> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>>> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than =
>>$100.
>>>>Also,
>>>>> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just =
>>DVDs),
>>> is
>>>>> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have =
>>options
>>>>> for
>>>>> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple.
> =
>>With
>>>>> a
>>>>> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the =
>>system
>>>>drive
>>>>> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the
=
>>above.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can
>=
>>say
>>>>you
>>>>> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always =
>>been
>>> able
>>>>> to
>>>>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
>=
>>night
>>>>> I
>>>>> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't
>=
>>find
>>>>> one
>>>>> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on
=
>>our
>>> OSX
>>>>> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap =
>>between
>>>>> Macs
>>>>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates
>=
>>them
>>>>> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
>=
>>users
>>>>> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is =
>>always
>>> the
>>>>> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either
>=
>>the
>>>>> best
>>>>> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set
>=
>>Macs
>>>>> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>>widespread
>>>>> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
>=
>>repair
>>>>> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't
>=
>>do
>>> yo
>>>>ur
>>>>> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't =
>>exactly
>>>>> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as
=
>>every
>>>>> new
>>>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard =
>>time
>>>>> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices
>=
>>put
>>>>them.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, =
>>closed,
>>>>and
>>>>> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I
=
>>don't.
>>>>> It
>>>>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those
>=
>>that
>>>>> >haven't used both though.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Regards,
>>>>> >Dedric
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran
>=
>>well
>>>>> on
>>>>> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in
=
>>short
>>>>> order.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different
>=
>>chips.
>>>>> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, =
>>and
>>> they
>>>>> have
>>>>> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission,
=
>>for
>>>>others
>>>>> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
>>>>software
>>>>> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more =
>>software
>>>>than
>>>>> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
>>>>easier,
>>>>> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a =
>>studio.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to =
>>compete
>>>>with
>>>>> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek,
>=
>>high
>>>>> end
>>>>> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC
=
>>video.
>>>>> Sure
>>>>> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. =
>>You'll
>>>>> save
>>>>> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend =
>>hours
>>>>tweaking,
>>>>> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. =
>>And
>>> then
>>>>> >> there's
>>>>> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way,
>=
>>if
>>> you
>>>>> want
>>>>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> James
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should
>=
>>be
>>>>able
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and =
>>Windows.
>>>>> While
>>>>> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better =
>>hardware
>>>>system,
>>>>> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
>>>>numbers
>>>>> >> on
>>>>> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is
>=
>>most
>>>>> bloated
>>>>> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
>>>>oranges).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down
=
>>the
>>> Mac
>>>>> path
>>>>> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair
>=
>>and
>>>>lower
>>>>> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>>FXTeleport.
>>>>> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even =
>>generically
>>>>> like
>>>>> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for =
>>Nuendo
>>>>users.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Dedric
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six =
>>months
>>>>you'll
>>>>> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> James
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that
>=
>>will
>>>>> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, =
>>you
>>>>understand.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> ;oD
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks =
>>interesting,
>>>>it's
>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>> >>>>> lot
>>>>> >>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> James
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for =
>>configurations.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=3D80651
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>=
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>=
>>dual=20
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>>repair/replacement=20
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>>colSpan=3D4=20
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>=
>>height=3D2=20
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>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
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>>height=3D1><FONT=20
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>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
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>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
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>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
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>>class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Catalog =
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>> <TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial=20
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>> <TD width=3D"47%"><SPAN class=3Dpara><FONT
=
>>face=3DArial=20
>> =
>>size=3D2>5 Retail 555</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
>> <TR>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D4 =
>>height=3D10><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D10=20
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
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>>colSpan=3D8=20
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>>height=3D2=20
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>>face=3DArial=20
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>> <TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial =
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>> <TD width=3D"20%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT
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>>face=3DArial=20
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>> <TD width=3D"2%"><FONT face=3DArial =
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>> <TD width=3D"18%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT
=
>>face=3DArial=20
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>> <TD width=3D"2%"><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
>> <TD width=3D"5%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Id</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
>> <TR>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 bgColor=3D#e7e7e7 =
>>colSpan=3D8=20
>> height=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG =
>>height=3D2=20
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>> <TR>
>> <TD colSpan=3D8><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG=20
>> style=3D"BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 100%; HEIGHT:
=
>>5px; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 0px"=20
>> =
>>src=3D"http://img.dell.com/images/global/brand/title/shad.gif"></FONT></T=
>>D></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
>>height=3D5><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Dell Precision Workstation 490 =
>>MiniTower -=20
>> 32bit:<BR>Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor
=
>>5050 3.00GHz,=20
>> 2 X 2MB L2, 667</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>4M30</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[222-1863]</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>1</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
>>height=3D5><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>> <DIV><INPUT type=3Dhidden value=3DXPP2E =
>>name=3Dm_11><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Operating System:<BR>Genuine Windows=AE
>=
>>XP=20
>> Professional, SP2 with =
>>Media</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>XPP2E</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[420-4860]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>11</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3DPR300 name=3Dm_2><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>2nd Processor:<BR>Dual Core Intel=AE =
>>Xeon=AE=20
>> Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2,=20
>> 667</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>PR300</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[311-5942]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>2</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3DNV285V name=3Dm_6><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Graphic Cards:<BR>128MB PCIe x16 nVidia
>=
>>Quadro=20
>> NVS 285, Dual VGA =
>>Capable</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>NV285V</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[320-4760]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>6</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3D1G2E name=3Dm_3><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
>=
>></FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Memory:<BR>1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory,
>=
>>533MHz,=20
>> ECC (2 DIMMS)</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>1G2E</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[311-5946]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>3</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3DSATA12 name=3Dm_9><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Hard Drive Configuration:<BR>C1 All =
>>SATA drives,=20
>> Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total=20
>> configuration</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>SATA12</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[341-3425]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>9</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3D160ST name=3Dm_8><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Boot Hard Drive:<BR>160GB SATA =
>>3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM=20
>> NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst=20
>> Cache=99</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>160ST</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[341-3408]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>8</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3DCOMBO name=3Dm_16><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write =
>>Devices:<BR>48X/32X=20
>> CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink Power=20
>> DVD=99</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>COMBO</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[313-4295]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>16</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3DFD name=3Dm_10><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
>=
>></FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader=20
>> Options:<BR>3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy=20
>> Drive</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>FD</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[341-3690]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>10</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3DE196FP name=3Dm_5><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Monitors:<BR>Dell 19 inch E196 Flat =
>>Panel,=20
>> Analog</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>E196FP</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[320-4425]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>5</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3DDW1450 name=3Dm_19><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Wireless:<BR>Dell Wireless 1450 (802.11
>=
>>a/b/g)=20
>> WLAN USB 2.0 DT Adapter</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>DW1450</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[430-1181]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>19</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 =
>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>> value=3DU name=3Dm_4><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
>></FONT>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>Keyboard:<BR>USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot
>=
>>
>> Keys</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>U</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>[310-7949]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>> <TD>
>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>4</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>=
>>
>> =
>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>=20
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| Re: New Super Power Macs Announced [message #71054 is a reply to message #71051] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 19:03 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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No matter what Dell will win the price wars, they sell more. When the MacBook
Pro came out the price was lower than a comparable Dell, with in a month
Dell had a $1,000.00 rebate on that model.
Injection molded plastic or extruded aluminum, there is a cost difference.
Push release hard drive trays. You get what you pay for.
We are back to what OS do you want to use. Does headache free ease of use
matter to you, or initial purchase price. I think it's what you like and
what your comfortable with. To eash his own.
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>NOPE! I got the price right from Dell the other day, and it's also in DV
>Magazine, in a Dell print ad on the last page of the September issue I got
>three days ago. I'm thinking Dell did some price changes! Now who has
inflated
>prices?
>
>James
>
>
>"LaMont Davis" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Arron,
>>James got that price from Apples keynote speech at WDC. it's typicle Apple,
>>pulling "old" princing info on product to justify their pricing.
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------=_NextPart_001_00AA_01C6BC54.ADCC9B20
>>>
>>>I don't know where you're buying your Dells at (talk to me, I can =
>>>probably help you with that if you want one), but as a small business
=
>>>owner on the internet, this is what I saw. Note, I put TWO 3ghz dual =
>>>core xeon's in this config, a 160 GB disk, 3 year onsite =
>>>repair/replacement warranty, a 19" Flat Panel and a GB of RAM. Feel =
>>>free to post Apple specs, I'll match and I don't think you'll hit $4000
>>=
>>>on the Dell, not even close.=20
>>>
>>> a..=20
>>> a.. Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit=20
>>> =20
>>> $2,417=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>>
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Date 8/10/2006 8:02:28 AM Central =
>>>Standard Time=20
>>> =20
>>> Catalog Number 5 Retail 555=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Catalog Number / Description Product Code SKU
>>=
>>> Id=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit:
>>> Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
>>>3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 4M30 [222-1863] 1=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Operating System:
>>> Genuine Windows=AE XP Professional, SP2 with =
>>>Media XPP2E [420-4860] 11=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> 2nd Processor:
>>> Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
>>>3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 PR300 [311-5942] 2=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Graphic Cards:
>>> 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro NVS 285, Dual VGA
>=
>>>Capable NV285V [320-4760] 6=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Memory:
>>> 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 =
>>>DIMMS) 1G2E [311-5946] 3=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Hard Drive Configuration:
>>> C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total
>>=
>>>configuration SATA12 [341-3425] 9=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Boot Hard Drive:
>>> 160GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with
>>=
>>>8MB DataBurst CacheT 160ST [341-3408] 8=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices:
>>> 48X/32X CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink =
>>>Power DVDT COMBO [313-4295] 16=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options:
>>> 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive FD [341-3690]
>
>> =
>>>10=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Monitors:
>>> Dell 19 inch E196 Flat Panel, Analog E196FP
>
>>=
>>>[320-4425] 5=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Wireless:
>>> Dell Wireless 1450 (802.11 a/b/g) WLAN USB 2.0
>=
>>>DT Adapter DW1450 [430-1181] 19=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Keyboard:
>>> USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys U [310-7949]
>>=
>>> 4=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Mouse:
>>> Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
>
>> =
>>>ELD [310-7959] 12=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Sound Card and 1394:
>>> 1394a Controller Card 1394 [313-4162] 17=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Speakers:
>>> Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell INTSPK =
>>>[313-4160] 18=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Resource CD:
>>> Resource CD - contains Diagnostics and Drivers
>
>> =
>>>RCD [313-4174] 21=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Hardware Support Services:
>>> 3 Year Business Standard Plan PAD3YR =
>>> [902-4902][970-0762][970-6330][981-8388][984-2797][984-2798] 29=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Installation Services:
>>> No Onsite System Setup NOINSTL [900-9987]
>
>>=
>>>32=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:44da0395$1@linux...
>>>>=20
>>>> As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the
>=
>>>number
>>>> of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher =
>>>costs.=20
>>>> It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the =
>>>industry, because
>>>> they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and =
>>>prosper.
>>>> They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the
=
>>>rest
>>>> of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass
=
>>>production/number
>>>> of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and =
>>>have helped
>>>> the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now
>=
>>>they
>>>> are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but
>>=
>>>it
>>>> will depend on the number of units sold.
>>>>=20
>>>> If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you?
>>=
>>> I
>>>> think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour
>>=
>>>and
>>>> get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times
=
>>>the going
>>>> rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is
a
>>=
>>>difference.
>>>> Security might be one of those differences, others may be only =
>>>perceived
>>>> differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple
>>=
>>>computer.
>>>> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
>>>>=20
>>>> I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell =
>>>Precision
>>>> 490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I =
>>>expect that
>>>> the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell =
>>>will buy
>>>> and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
>>>>=20
>>>> Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It =
>>>would be
>>>> like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going
>>=
>>>to
>>>> be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The
=
>>>reality
>>>> is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't
=
>>>speak
>>>> to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software
>>=
>>>and
>>>> the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is
=
>>>for the
>>>> most part headache free.
>>>>=20
>>>> I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added
=
>>>doodads
>>>> and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the door. They knew
=
>>>that
>>>> O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best effort. OSX is another story.
>>>>=20
>>>> Well that's my take on it.
>>>>=20
>>>> James
>>>>=20
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>they are like custom aircraft
>>>>>parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your =
>>>experience
>>>>>in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me
>>=
>>>with
>>>>>statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of
=
>>>them
>>>> to
>>>>>be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify =
>>>larger
>>>>>production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer =
>>>when
>>>> one
>>>>>of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably
a
>>=
>>>bit
>>>> of
>>>>>both.
>>>>>
>>>>>sheesh!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do use both platforms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do
a
>>>>>search,
>>>>>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't =
>>>make
>>>> the
>>>>>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You
>=
>>>might
>>>>>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that
=
>>>there
>>>>>are
>>>>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work,
>=
>>>some
>>>>>are
>>>>>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some sites:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://macromates.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like =
>>>custom
>>>>>aircraft
>>>>>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be
>>=
>>>able
>>>>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a
>=
>>>current
>>>>>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple =
>>>repair
>>>>>centers
>>>>>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does
>=
>>>service
>>>>>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send
>>=
>>>out
>>>>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some Apple service info:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Voelker Research
>>>>>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Macmall
>>>>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>>>>>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Netbuilders
>>>>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>>> . 80 S Abilene Rd?Aurora, CO 80012
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>>> . 9230 Sheridan Blvd?Westminster, CO 80030
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>>> . 1740 30th St?Boulder, CO 80301
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>>>>> . 40928 Hwy 6 & 24?Avon, CO 81620
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Digital Systems Inc.
>>>>>> . 319j Aspen Airport Business Ctr?Aspen, CO 81611
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Kolter.com LLC
>>>>>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>>>>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Connecting Point
>>>>>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Collins Consulting
>>>>>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Connecting Point Durango
>>>>>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue -
=
>>>it's
>>>>>only
>>>>>> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>>>department
>>>>>> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a
>=
>>>locked
>>>>>> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same =
>>>problem
>>>> we
>>>>>> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>>>> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than =
>>>$100.
>>>>>Also,
>>>>>> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just =
>>>DVDs),
>>>> is
>>>>>> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have
=
>>>options
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple.
>> =
>>>With
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the =
>>>system
>>>>>drive
>>>>>> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the
>=
>>>above.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can
>>=
>>>say
>>>>>you
>>>>>> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always =
>>>been
>>>> able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
>>=
>>>night
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't
>>=
>>>find
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on
>=
>>>our
>>>> OSX
>>>>>> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap =
>>>between
>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates
>>=
>>>them
>>>>>> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
>>=
>>>users
>>>>>> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is =
>>>always
>>>> the
>>>>>> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either
>>=
>>>the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set
>>=
>>>Macs
>>>>>> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>>>widespread
>>>>>> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
>>=
>>>repair
>>>>>> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't
>>=
>>>do
>>>> yo
>>>>>ur
>>>>>> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't
=
>>>exactly
>>>>>> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as
>=
>>>every
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard
=
>>>time
>>>>>> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices
>>=
>>>put
>>>>>them.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, =
>>>closed,
>>>>>and
>>>>>> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I
>=
>>>don't.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those
>>=
>>>that
>>>>>> >haven't used both though.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Regards,
>>>>>> >Dedric
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran
>>=
>>>well
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in
>=
>>>short
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different
>>=
>>>chips.
>>>>>> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC,
=
>>>and
>>>> they
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission,
>=
>>>for
>>>>>others
>>>>>> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
>>>>>software
>>>>>> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more =
>>>software
>>>>>than
>>>>>> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
>>>>>easier,
>>>>>> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a =
>>>studio.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to =
>>>compete
>>>>>with
>>>>>> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek,
>>=
>>>high
>>>>>> end
>>>>>> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC
>=
>>>video.
>>>>>> Sure
>>>>>> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same.
=
>>>You'll
>>>>>> save
>>>>>> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend
=
>>>hours
>>>>>tweaking,
>>>>>> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time.
=
>>>And
>>>> then
>>>>>> >> there's
>>>>>> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way,
>>=
>>>if
>>>> you
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> James
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should
>>=
>>>be
>>>>>able
>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and =
>>>Windows.
>>>>>> While
>>>>>> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better =
>>>hardware
>>>>>system,
>>>>>> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
>>>>>numbers
>>>>>> >> on
>>>>>> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is
>>=
>>>most
>>>>>> bloated
>>>>>> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
>>>>>oranges).
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down
>=
>>>the
>>>> Mac
>>>>>> path
>>>>>> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair
>>=
>>>and
>>>>>lower
>>>>>> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>>>>>FXTeleport.
>>>>>> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even =
>>>generically
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for =
>>>Nuendo
>>>>>users.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Dedric
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six =
>>>months
>>>>>you'll
>>>>>> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> James
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that
>>=
>>>will
>>>>>> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac,
=
>>>you
>>>>>understand.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks =
>>>interesting,
>>>>>it's
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>>> lot
>>>>>> >>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> James
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for =
>>>configurations.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=3D80651
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>------=_NextPart_001_00AA_01C6BC54.ADCC9B20
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
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>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't know where you're buying your
>=
>>>Dells at=20
>>>(talk to me, I can probably help you with that if you want one), but as
>>=
>>>a small=20
>>>business owner on the internet, this is what I saw. Note, I put TWO 3ghz
>>=
>>>dual=20
>>>core xeon's in this config, a 160 GB disk, 3 year onsite =
>>>repair/replacement=20
>>>warranty, a 19" Flat Panel and a GB of RAM. Feel free to =
>>>post=20
>>>Apple specs, I'll match and I don't think you'll hit $4000 on the Dell,
>>=
>>>not even=20
>>>close. </FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV>
>>><TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" border=3D0>
>>> <TBODY>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD colSpan=3D2>
>>> <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></LI>
>>> <LI>
>>> <TABLE style=3D"WIDTH: 974px; HEIGHT: 65px" cellSpacing=3D0 =
>>>cellPadding=3D0=20
>>> width=3D974 border=3D0 valign=3D"top">
>>> <TBODY>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"100%" colSpan=3D10><SPAN=20
>>> class=3Dpara_intropara><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2><STRONG>Dell Precision=20
>>> Workstation 490 MiniTower - =
>>>32bit</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD colSpan=3D10>
>>> <TABLE style=3D"WIDTH: 956px; HEIGHT: 41px" cellSpacing=3D0=20
>>> cellPadding=3D0 width=3D956 border=3D0>
>>> <TBODY>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop>
>>> <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D2 width=3D"100%"
>>=
>>>border=3D0>
>>> <TBODY>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG
>>=
>>>height=3D2=20
>>> alt=3D""=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D"http://img.dell.com/images/global/general/spacer.gif"=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0> </FONT>
>>> <DIV id=3Dpricing name=3D"pricing">
>>> <DIV id=3Dretailonly name=3D"retailonly">
>>> <DIV class=3Dpara_marketingprice_simple><SPAN=20
>>> id=3Dm_retailprice name=3D"m_retailprice"><FONT
>>=
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> color=3D#ff0000=20
>>> =
>>>size=3D4><STRONG><U>$2,417</U></STRONG></FONT></SPAN ></DIV></DIV></DIV></=
>>>TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> </TD></TR></TBODY></TAB=
>>>LE></LI></TD></TR>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D5><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D15 height=3D1><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D15 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" border=3D0>
>>> <TBODY>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD>
>>> <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
>>>border=3D0>
>>> <TBODY>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD>
>>> <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
>>> <TBODY>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD colSpan=3D8>
>>> <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 =
>>>width=3D"100%"=20
>>>border=3D0>
>>> <TBODY>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 bgColor=3D#e7e7e7
>>=
>>>colSpan=3D4=20
>>> height=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG
>>=
>>>height=3D2=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"2%" =
>>>height=3D1><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN =
>>>class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2>Date</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"47%"><SPAN class=3Dpara><FONT
>=
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>8/10/2006 8:02:28 AM Central =
>>>Standard=20
>>> Time</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D4 =
>>>height=3D2><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D2=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"2%" =
>>>height=3D1><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN =
>>>class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Catalog =
>>>Number</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"47%"><SPAN class=3Dpara><FONT
>=
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> =
>>>size=3D2>5 Retail 555</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D4 =
>>>height=3D10><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D10=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR >
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 bgColor=3D#e7e7e7 =
>>>colSpan=3D8=20
>>> height=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG =
>>>height=3D2=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D"2%" height=3D1><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"50%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT
>=
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Catalog=20
>>> =
>>>Number / Description</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"1%"><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"20%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT
>=
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Product Code</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"2%"><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"18%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT
>=
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>SKU</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"2%"><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT></TD>
>>> <TD width=3D"5%"><SPAN class=3Dtitle_emph><FONT
=
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Id</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 bgColor=3D#e7e7e7 =
>>>colSpan=3D8=20
>>> height=3D2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG =
>>>height=3D2=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>>> <TR>
>>> <TD colSpan=3D8><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG=20
>>> style=3D"BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px; =
>>>BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px; WIDTH: 100%; HEIGHT:
>=
>>>5px; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 0px"=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D"http://img.dell.com/images/global/brand/title/shad.gif"></FONT></T=
>>>D></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
>>>height=3D5><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2><IMG height=3D1=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD>
>>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Dell Precision Workstation 490 =
>>>MiniTower -=20
>>> 32bit:<BR>Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor
>=
>>>5050 3.00GHz,=20
>>> 2 X 2MB L2, 667</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>4M30</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[222-1863]</FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></TD>
>>> <TD><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>1</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 =
>>>height=3D5><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5=20
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></TD></TR>
>>> <DIV><INPUT type=3Dhidden value=3DXPP2E =
>>>name=3Dm_11><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Operating System:<BR>Genuine Windows=AE
>>=
>>>XP=20
>>> Professional, SP2 with =
>>>Media</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>XPP2E</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[420-4860]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>11</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DPR300 name=3Dm_2><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>2nd Processor:<BR>Dual Core Intel=AE
=
>>>Xeon=AE=20
>>> Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2,=20
>>> 667</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>PR300</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[311-5942]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>2</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DNV285V name=3Dm_6><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Graphic Cards:<BR>128MB PCIe x16 nVidia
>>=
>>>Quadro=20
>>> NVS 285, Dual VGA =
>>>Capable</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>NV285V</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[320-4760]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>6</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3D1G2E name=3Dm_3><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
>>=
>>></FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Memory:<BR>1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory,
>>=
>>>533MHz,=20
>>> ECC (2 DIMMS)</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>1G2E</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[311-5946]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>3</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DSATA12 name=3Dm_9><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Hard Drive Configuration:<BR>C1 All =
>>>SATA drives,=20
>>> Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total=20
>>> configuration</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>SATA12</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[341-3425]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>9</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3D160ST name=3Dm_8><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Boot Hard Drive:<BR>160GB SATA =
>>>3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM=20
>>> NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst=20
>>> Cache=99</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>160ST</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[341-3408]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>8</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DCOMBO name=3Dm_16><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write =
>>>Devices:<BR>48X/32X=20
>>> CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink Power=20
>>> DVD=99</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>COMBO</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[313-4295]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>16</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DFD name=3Dm_10><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
>>=
>>></FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader=20
>>> Options:<BR>3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy=20
>>> Drive</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>FD</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[341-3690]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>10</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DE196FP name=3Dm_5><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Monitors:<BR>Dell 19 inch E196 Flat =
>>>Panel,=20
>>> Analog</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>E196FP</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[320-4425]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>5</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DDW1450 name=3Dm_19><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2> </FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Wireless:<BR>Dell Wireless 1450 (802.11
>>=
>>>a/b/g)=20
>>> WLAN USB 2.0 DT Adapter</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>DW1450</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[430-1181]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>19</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DU name=3Dm_4><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
=
>>></FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D1
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>Keyboard:<BR>USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot
>>=
>>>
>>> Keys</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>U</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>[310-7949]</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD>
>>> <TD>
>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3Dolt_table_content><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>4</FONT></SPAN></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#e7e7e7>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 =
>>>border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR><INPUT type=3Dhidden=20
>>> value=3DELD name=3Dm_12><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
>>=
>>></FONT>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG height=3D5
>>=
>>>
>>> =
>>>src=3D" http://img.dell.com/images/global/configurator/general/space r.gif"=
>>>=20
>>> width=3D1 border=3D0></FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
>>> <TR bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 height=3D1>
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