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| Things that annoy me now [message #93672] |
Sat, 15 December 2007 19:32  |
Paul Braun
Messages: 391
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Did some shopping today. Visted the local Fry's Electronics.
First off, I'm looking for a vcr for my dad. His died, and he's in
the middle of transferring a bunch of videotapes to dvd. Plus, he
uses it as the OTA tuner for his tv. He doesn't have cable or
satellite.
Guess what? You can't buy a vcr anymore. All you can buy is a
dvd/vcr combo player. And NONE of them have tv tuners anymore.
You can get a tuner, if you're willing to pony up $300 for a vcr/dvd
recorder combo.
Swell. Guess I need to hit the pawn shop and look for a decent used
one.
Second, I looked for a relatively simple cassette-based boombox for
my mother-in-law.
Yeah, right. Unless you're looking for something with cd and an iPod
dock and multimeda flash card interfaces with a thousand buttons and
flashing lights and audio processors, good freakin' luck.
I also listened to an assortment of compact iPod-based boomboxes.
They all sound like ass. Well, I suppose they sound OK for 2"
speakers.....
And I got to auditon Creative's newest entry into the Bose sandbox --
X-fi.
Yes, it's advertised as a small module that installs inline with your
mp3 player and gives you "better than studio-quality" sound by
restoring what was lost during the squishing process.
To me, I'm thinking it will sound like overhyped highs and lows, with
a lot of splattered sizzle. Like most Bose stuff.
To their credit, Creative didn't disappoint. Gawd, that sounded like
crap.
And I saw a Sony desktop sound system based on a cd and mp3 player.
Included a sub module and two satellites. 1.5" satellites. Yes,
that's right. I've seen bigger speakers in headphones.
WTF are we working so hard at developing our craft for?????? THIS
shit is what most kids today think is hi-fidelity audio. Hell, even I
can make a mix that sounds good for the crap they listen on......
Am I just getting old? Am I heading down the road to curmudgeonly
ways?
Sheesh.
pab
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| Re: Things that annoy me now [message #93673 is a reply to message #93672] |
Sat, 15 December 2007 21:48  |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
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I just analyzed and tuned a 50K surround system with full DSP
(ethernet to all speakers) and it most righteously does not sound
like ass.
I do think the "everything smaller" esthetic has made things worse tho.
DC
Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>Did some shopping today. Visted the local Fry's Electronics.
>
>First off, I'm looking for a vcr for my dad. His died, and he's in
>the middle of transferring a bunch of videotapes to dvd. Plus, he
>uses it as the OTA tuner for his tv. He doesn't have cable or
>satellite.
>
>Guess what? You can't buy a vcr anymore. All you can buy is a
>dvd/vcr combo player. And NONE of them have tv tuners anymore.
>
>You can get a tuner, if you're willing to pony up $300 for a vcr/dvd
>recorder combo.
>
>Swell. Guess I need to hit the pawn shop and look for a decent used
>one.
>
>Second, I looked for a relatively simple cassette-based boombox for
>my mother-in-law.
>
>Yeah, right. Unless you're looking for something with cd and an iPod
>dock and multimeda flash card interfaces with a thousand buttons and
>flashing lights and audio processors, good freakin' luck.
>
>I also listened to an assortment of compact iPod-based boomboxes.
>
>They all sound like ass. Well, I suppose they sound OK for 2"
>speakers.....
>
>And I got to auditon Creative's newest entry into the Bose sandbox --
>X-fi.
>
>Yes, it's advertised as a small module that installs inline with your
>mp3 player and gives you "better than studio-quality" sound by
>restoring what was lost during the squishing process.
>
>To me, I'm thinking it will sound like overhyped highs and lows, with
>a lot of splattered sizzle. Like most Bose stuff.
>
>To their credit, Creative didn't disappoint. Gawd, that sounded like
>crap.
>
>And I saw a Sony desktop sound system based on a cd and mp3 player.
>Included a sub module and two satellites. 1.5" satellites. Yes,
>that's right. I've seen bigger speakers in headphones.
>
>WTF are we working so hard at developing our craft for?????? THIS
>shit is what most kids today think is hi-fidelity audio. Hell, even I
>can make a mix that sounds good for the crap they listen on......
>
>Am I just getting old? Am I heading down the road to curmudgeonly
>ways?
>
>Sheesh.
>
>pab
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| Re: Things that annoy me now [message #93676 is a reply to message #93673] |
Sat, 15 December 2007 21:50 |
Paul Braun
Messages: 391
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On 16 Dec 2007 15:48:36 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>I just analyzed and tuned a 50K surround system with full DSP
>(ethernet to all speakers) and it most righteously does not sound
>like ass.
>
>I do think the "everything smaller" esthetic has made things worse tho.
>
Phew.
Does me good to hear that. I would like nothing better than $50k of
audio gear in my house, but that's half as much as my house is worth,
so that's not gonna happen. I'd love to have a full set of the SLS
ribbon-based surround speakers, all driven by really beefy class-A
amps.
But I completely appreciate that level of gooderness. I've often gone
to high-end stores and played with the goodies, and gone home
depressed and insanely jealous.
I'm also glad to see someone realizes that home theatre sound is every
bit as important as music reproduction. That's one of the things that
is staring me in the face when we get HDTV later this coming year -- I
want the surround system to sound just as musical as the stuff in my
studio. I hate the systems that are nothing but sizzle and boom --
you don't impress me with a subwoofer that just rumbles and overpowers
everything else. Make it smooth, make it musical, and THEN give it
balls.
But then, the people who typically buy the biggest TV that will fit
through their door, regardless of how tiny the room is, are also the
ones who buy the biggest, baddest sub their utility service will feed,
just so they can invite the neighbors over, put on some action movie,
and go, "Listen to THIS!!!!!" When I go listen to someone's system
and all you can hear is LF rumble, I want to whack them upside the
head.
pab
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| Re: Things that annoy me now [message #93680 is a reply to message #93676] |
Sun, 16 December 2007 00:18 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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Paul,
I whacked my buddy for just the same reason. He
has learned not to overdue the lows especially on his
low end surround audio setup.
We have to teach them one by one.
Tom
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message =
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On 16 Dec 2007 15:48:36 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>I just analyzed and tuned a 50K surround system with full DSP
>(ethernet to all speakers) and it most righteously does not sound
>like ass. =20
>
>I do think the "everything smaller" esthetic has made things worse =
tho.
>
Phew.
Does me good to hear that. I would like nothing better than $50k of
audio gear in my house, but that's half as much as my house is worth,
so that's not gonna happen. I'd love to have a full set of the SLS
ribbon-based surround speakers, all driven by really beefy class-A
amps.
But I completely appreciate that level of gooderness. I've often gone
to high-end stores and played with the goodies, and gone home
depressed and insanely jealous.
I'm also glad to see someone realizes that home theatre sound is every
bit as important as music reproduction. That's one of the things that
is staring me in the face when we get HDTV later this coming year -- I
want the surround system to sound just as musical as the stuff in my
studio. I hate the systems that are nothing but sizzle and boom --
you don't impress me with a subwoofer that just rumbles and overpowers
everything else. Make it smooth, make it musical, and THEN give it
balls.
But then, the people who typically buy the biggest TV that will fit
through their door, regardless of how tiny the room is, are also the
ones who buy the biggest, baddest sub their utility service will feed,
just so they can invite the neighbors over, put on some action movie,
and go, "Listen to THIS!!!!!" When I go listen to someone's system
and all you can hear is LF rumble, I want to whack them upside the
head.
pab
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| Re: Things that annoy me now [message #93682 is a reply to message #93672] |
Sun, 16 December 2007 07:20 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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Paul,
That's wacky. I bought a DVD player/vcr combo @ sams/costco last year for
49 bucks and it has a tuner. Maybe they went for more cost savings and started
eliminating the tuner, but I don't know how they could get any cheaper.
Chuck
Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>Did some shopping today. Visted the local Fry's Electronics.
>
>First off, I'm looking for a vcr for my dad. His died, and he's in
>the middle of transferring a bunch of videotapes to dvd. Plus, he
>uses it as the OTA tuner for his tv. He doesn't have cable or
>satellite.
>
>Guess what? You can't buy a vcr anymore. All you can buy is a
>dvd/vcr combo player. And NONE of them have tv tuners anymore.
>
>You can get a tuner, if you're willing to pony up $300 for a vcr/dvd
>recorder combo.
>
>Swell. Guess I need to hit the pawn shop and look for a decent used
>one.
>
>Second, I looked for a relatively simple cassette-based boombox for
>my mother-in-law.
>
>Yeah, right. Unless you're looking for something with cd and an iPod
>dock and multimeda flash card interfaces with a thousand buttons and
>flashing lights and audio processors, good freakin' luck.
>
>I also listened to an assortment of compact iPod-based boomboxes.
>
>They all sound like ass. Well, I suppose they sound OK for 2"
>speakers.....
>
>And I got to auditon Creative's newest entry into the Bose sandbox --
>X-fi.
>
>Yes, it's advertised as a small module that installs inline with your
>mp3 player and gives you "better than studio-quality" sound by
>restoring what was lost during the squishing process.
>
>To me, I'm thinking it will sound like overhyped highs and lows, with
>a lot of splattered sizzle. Like most Bose stuff.
>
>To their credit, Creative didn't disappoint. Gawd, that sounded like
>crap.
>
>And I saw a Sony desktop sound system based on a cd and mp3 player.
>Included a sub module and two satellites. 1.5" satellites. Yes,
>that's right. I've seen bigger speakers in headphones.
>
>WTF are we working so hard at developing our craft for?????? THIS
>shit is what most kids today think is hi-fidelity audio. Hell, even I
>can make a mix that sounds good for the crap they listen on......
>
>Am I just getting old? Am I heading down the road to curmudgeonly
>ways?
>
>Sheesh.
>
>pab
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| Re: Things that annoy me now [message #93686 is a reply to message #93682] |
Sun, 16 December 2007 11:31 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
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I just bought an LG Electronics DVD/VCR recording combo for $200...no
tuner...the $280 model has a tv tuner..... BUT they will all be useless
without a Digital converter of some sort after next year when analog TV goes
Bye-Bye for good....where will all the "rabbit ears go?"
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:47653442$1@linux...
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> Paul,
>
> That's wacky. I bought a DVD player/vcr combo @ sams/costco last year for
> 49 bucks and it has a tuner. Maybe they went for more cost savings and
started
> eliminating the tuner, but I don't know how they could get any cheaper.
>
> Chuck
> Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
> >Did some shopping today. Visted the local Fry's Electronics.
> >
> >First off, I'm looking for a vcr for my dad. His died, and he's in
> >the middle of transferring a bunch of videotapes to dvd. Plus, he
> >uses it as the OTA tuner for his tv. He doesn't have cable or
> >satellite.
> >
> >Guess what? You can't buy a vcr anymore. All you can buy is a
> >dvd/vcr combo player. And NONE of them have tv tuners anymore.
> >
> >You can get a tuner, if you're willing to pony up $300 for a vcr/dvd
> >recorder combo.
> >
> >Swell. Guess I need to hit the pawn shop and look for a decent used
> >one.
> >
> >Second, I looked for a relatively simple cassette-based boombox for
> >my mother-in-law.
> >
> >Yeah, right. Unless you're looking for something with cd and an iPod
> >dock and multimeda flash card interfaces with a thousand buttons and
> >flashing lights and audio processors, good freakin' luck.
> >
> >I also listened to an assortment of compact iPod-based boomboxes.
> >
> >They all sound like ass. Well, I suppose they sound OK for 2"
> >speakers.....
> >
> >And I got to auditon Creative's newest entry into the Bose sandbox --
> >X-fi.
> >
> >Yes, it's advertised as a small module that installs inline with your
> >mp3 player and gives you "better than studio-quality" sound by
> >restoring what was lost during the squishing process.
> >
> >To me, I'm thinking it will sound like overhyped highs and lows, with
> >a lot of splattered sizzle. Like most Bose stuff.
> >
> >To their credit, Creative didn't disappoint. Gawd, that sounded like
> >crap.
> >
> >And I saw a Sony desktop sound system based on a cd and mp3 player.
> >Included a sub module and two satellites. 1.5" satellites. Yes,
> >that's right. I've seen bigger speakers in headphones.
> >
> >WTF are we working so hard at developing our craft for?????? THIS
> >shit is what most kids today think is hi-fidelity audio. Hell, even I
> >can make a mix that sounds good for the crap they listen on......
> >
> >Am I just getting old? Am I heading down the road to curmudgeonly
> >ways?
> >
> >Sheesh.
> >
> >pab
>
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| Re: Things that annoy me now [message #93687 is a reply to message #93686] |
Sun, 16 December 2007 11:33 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
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PS: Oh yeah, all this shit is made in China....that's a whole nother
subject........yikes !!
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:47657af7@linux...
> I just bought an LG Electronics DVD/VCR recording combo for $200...no
> tuner...the $280 model has a tv tuner..... BUT they will all be useless
> without a Digital converter of some sort after next year when analog TV
goes
> Bye-Bye for good....where will all the "rabbit ears go?"
> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:47653442$1@linux...
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > That's wacky. I bought a DVD player/vcr combo @ sams/costco last year
for
> > 49 bucks and it has a tuner. Maybe they went for more cost savings and
> started
> > eliminating the tuner, but I don't know how they could get any cheaper.
> >
> > Chuck
> > Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
> > >Did some shopping today. Visted the local Fry's Electronics.
> > >
> > >First off, I'm looking for a vcr for my dad. His died, and he's in
> > >the middle of transferring a bunch of videotapes to dvd. Plus, he
> > >uses it as the OTA tuner for his tv. He doesn't have cable or
> > >satellite.
> > >
> > >Guess what? You can't buy a vcr anymore. All you can buy is a
> > >dvd/vcr combo player. And NONE of them have tv tuners anymore.
> > >
> > >You can get a tuner, if you're willing to pony up $300 for a vcr/dvd
> > >recorder combo.
> > >
> > >Swell. Guess I need to hit the pawn shop and look for a decent used
> > >one.
> > >
> > >Second, I looked for a relatively simple cassette-based boombox for
> > >my mother-in-law.
> > >
> > >Yeah, right. Unless you're looking for something with cd and an iPod
> > >dock and multimeda flash card interfaces with a thousand buttons and
> > >flashing lights and audio processors, good freakin' luck.
> > >
> > >I also listened to an assortment of compact iPod-based boomboxes.
> > >
> > >They all sound like ass. Well, I suppose they sound OK for 2"
> > >speakers.....
> > >
> > >And I got to auditon Creative's newest entry into the Bose sandbox --
> > >X-fi.
> > >
> > >Yes, it's advertised as a small module that installs inline with your
> > >mp3 player and gives you "better than studio-quality" sound by
> > >restoring what was lost during the squishing process.
> > >
> > >To me, I'm thinking it will sound like overhyped highs and lows, with
> > >a lot of splattered sizzle. Like most Bose stuff.
> > >
> > >To their credit, Creative didn't disappoint. Gawd, that sounded like
> > >crap.
> > >
> > >And I saw a Sony desktop sound system based on a cd and mp3 player.
> > >Included a sub module and two satellites. 1.5" satellites. Yes,
> > >that's right. I've seen bigger speakers in headphones.
> > >
> > >WTF are we working so hard at developing our craft for?????? THIS
> > >shit is what most kids today think is hi-fidelity audio. Hell, even I
> > >can make a mix that sounds good for the crap they listen on......
> > >
> > >Am I just getting old? Am I heading down the road to curmudgeonly
> > >ways?
> > >
> > >Sheesh.
> > >
> > >pab
> >
>
>
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| Re: Things that annoy me now [message #93713 is a reply to message #93682] |
Sun, 16 December 2007 23:48 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
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I think digital tuners are the reason. I'm not sure where the U.S. is placed
in this area, but I believe Australia had some of the first digital TV happening,
and indeed were criticised by experts for moving too early. Suffice to say
that I bought a DVD recorder 12 months ago. It has a tuner. It's analog.
Digital tuners are more expensive and too many people don't understand them
nor have an antenna which supports them.
I expect that manufacturers have looked at VHS and gone "Well, they're barely
worth making anyhow. An analog tuner is cheap but will be useless soon, and
a digital tuner is too expensive if we want to do it right".
I would think that a very good search would still find options, but I can
see why they'd be hard to get.
But hey, all technology comes to an end eventually... except the wheel.
;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Paul,
>
>That's wacky. I bought a DVD player/vcr combo @ sams/costco last year for
>49 bucks and it has a tuner. Maybe they went for more cost savings and started
>eliminating the tuner, but I don't know how they could get any cheaper.
>
>Chuck
>Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>Did some shopping today. Visted the local Fry's Electronics.
>>
>>First off, I'm looking for a vcr for my dad. His died, and he's in
>>the middle of transferring a bunch of videotapes to dvd. Plus, he
>>uses it as the OTA tuner for his tv. He doesn't have cable or
>>satellite.
>>
>>Guess what? You can't buy a vcr anymore. All you can buy is a
>>dvd/vcr combo player. And NONE of them have tv tuners anymore.
>>
>>You can get a tuner, if you're willing to pony up $300 for a vcr/dvd
>>recorder combo.
>>
>>Swell. Guess I need to hit the pawn shop and look for a decent used
>>one.
>>
>>Second, I looked for a relatively simple cassette-based boombox for
>>my mother-in-law.
>>
>>Yeah, right. Unless you're looking for something with cd and an iPod
>>dock and multimeda flash card interfaces with a thousand buttons and
>>flashing lights and audio processors, good freakin' luck.
>>
>>I also listened to an assortment of compact iPod-based boomboxes.
>>
>>They all sound like ass. Well, I suppose they sound OK for 2"
>>speakers.....
>>
>>And I got to auditon Creative's newest entry into the Bose sandbox --
>>X-fi.
>>
>>Yes, it's advertised as a small module that installs inline with your
>>mp3 player and gives you "better than studio-quality" sound by
>>restoring what was lost during the squishing process.
>>
>>To me, I'm thinking it will sound like overhyped highs and lows, with
>>a lot of splattered sizzle. Like most Bose stuff.
>>
>>To their credit, Creative didn't disappoint. Gawd, that sounded like
>>crap.
>>
>>And I saw a Sony desktop sound system based on a cd and mp3 player.
>>Included a sub module and two satellites. 1.5" satellites. Yes,
>>that's right. I've seen bigger speakers in headphones.
>>
>>WTF are we working so hard at developing our craft for?????? THIS
>>shit is what most kids today think is hi-fidelity audio. Hell, even I
>>can make a mix that sounds good for the crap they listen on......
>>
>>Am I just getting old? Am I heading down the road to curmudgeonly
>>ways?
>>
>>Sheesh.
>>
>>pab
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