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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66181 is a reply to message #66176] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 11:16   |
rick
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my friend just got one...pretty impressive little phux if i do say so
myself. but hey, they're really pc's running a different os. we had
35 tracks, 45 plugins and 9 sound designers ir's going at about 60-70%
cpu usage on his dual 1.67.
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:12:10 -0700, TC
<tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>oh yawn.. :)
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>Well, I much prefer OSX to Windows XP, and I've been using both for years and Windows since 3.11. Given the Mac Mini's size and form factor (part of what you pay for), I would hardly say that it's overpriced. If your looking to save space and be able to cart the thing around easily, it's certainly an attractive option. And the Mac Mini's are nice for running node computers in logic 7.
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>Cheers,
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>TC
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>DJ wrote:
>> o'yeah!!!!....now we can run Windows on an overpriced box. Hallelujah!!!!
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>> (errrr......sorry......I guess if I wanted to use both OS'es this would be
>> good news huh?)
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>> ;o)
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66185 is a reply to message #66174] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 14:11 |
excelav
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I was just posting the info about it. I'm not looking for the big Mac vs.
Windows debate. However, I will give my prospective on the over price Mac.
There is a lot of ways of looking at things. People for years have said
ignorant things like there's no software for the Mac. Well the Mac has been
able to run Windows for about 15 years. The fact is and has been that the
Mac has been able to run all the Mac software, and the great majority of
windows software. That's more than a PC can do. I think that is value.
Now it will run Windows natively, I think that is value. I can run all
my software on my Mac, cruse the internet, run Paris or other audio software,
all on the same machine with out being concerned with viruses. I think that
is value and piece of mind. I don't have to buy two machines, I've seen
on this NG where people have said that they have two machines and they never
go on the net with their audio work station. I think that is ridiculous.
What do two machines cost? What do two machines cost to maintain?
I agree with you that Apple computers are over priced! That is vary disappointing
for any Mac user. However, I still think that there is value, and some advantages
with a Mac. I think you have to look at the overall picture, the cost of
the box is not the only thing to factor in.
I've always said, if your a PC guru and you have years in to learning the
ins and outs of a PC, there is no sense in learning a Mac. This, I think
is about to change. What if Apple computers cost about the same? Not that
this is going to happen any time soon, but, would you consider buying one
then? What if Mac OSX could run any and all of your windows based software
natively without speed issues. Would you consider the purchase of an Apple
computer? This could vary well be Apple's first step in kicking that door
open and doing just that. (Pure speculation on my part; ) )
I think it is a step forward, It gives people choices. The bad news is,
Apple does point out that if you use Windows XP on a Mac, that your machine
will be subject to attacks and all the windows viruses.
I use and like both Windows XP and Mac OS.
James
"DJ"
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>o'yeah!!!!....now we can run Windows on an overpriced box. Hallelujah!!!!
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>(errrr......sorry......I guess if I wanted to use both OS'es this would
be
>good news huh?)
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>;o)
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>"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
>news:4433e781@linux...
>> That's going to be huge for Apple.. esp. for Mac Mini sales..
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>> Cheers,
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>> TC
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>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>> > http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66225 is a reply to message #66223] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 10:17 |
excelav
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Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your saying
that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can still
use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!
James
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>
>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on expensive,
>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already had this
>working
>
>http://onmac.net/
>
>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA threats
>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot Camp?
Can
>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if Apple
>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
>
>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE BILLION
>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday you
>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would let you
>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu on
>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users already
>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion dollars
>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who tells
>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
>
>TCB
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66226 is a reply to message #66225] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 10:24 |
excelav
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your saying
>that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can still
>use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
>
>And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!
>
>James
P.S. They maid it easy on the user! That's what Apple does!
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>
>>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on expensive,
>>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already had
this
>>working
>>
>>http://onmac.net/
>>
>>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA threats
>>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot Camp?
>Can
>>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if Apple
>>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
>>
>>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE BILLION
>>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday you
>>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would let
you
>>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu on
>>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users already
>>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion dollars
>>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who tells
>>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
>>
>>TCB
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66230 is a reply to message #66226] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 11:16 |
Deej [1]
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I think what he's saying is that Apple is just as sleazy as they've always
branded Microsoft to be......which is what I've been saying all along
anyway.
;o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44354eb1$1@linux...
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your
saying
> >that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can
still
> >use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
> >
> >And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!
> >
> >James
>
> P.S. They maid it easy on the user! That's what Apple does!
>
> >
> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
> >>
> >>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on
expensive,
> >>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already had
> this
> >>working
> >>
> >>http://onmac.net/
> >>
> >>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA
threats
> >>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot Camp?
> >Can
> >>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if Apple
> >>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
> >>
> >>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE
BILLION
> >>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday you
> >>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would let
> you
> >>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu on
> >>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users
already
> >>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion
dollars
> >>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who
tells
> >>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
> >>
> >>TCB
> >
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66236 is a reply to message #66230] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 11:49 |
Tony Benson
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Apple's sleazy? Duh! No wonder I've always been so attracted to them! ;>)
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44355d39$1@linux...
>I think what he's saying is that Apple is just as sleazy as they've always
> branded Microsoft to be......which is what I've been saying all along
> anyway.
>
> ;o)
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44354eb1$1@linux...
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your
> saying
>> >that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can
> still
>> >use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
>> >
>> >And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!
>> >
>> >James
>>
>> P.S. They maid it easy on the user! That's what Apple does!
>>
>> >
>> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>> >>
>> >>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on
> expensive,
>> >>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already had
>> this
>> >>working
>> >>
>> >>http://onmac.net/
>> >>
>> >>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA
> threats
>> >>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot Camp?
>> >Can
>> >>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if
>> >>Apple
>> >>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
>> >>
>> >>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE
> BILLION
>> >>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday
>> >>you
>> >>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would let
>> you
>> >>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu
>> >>on
>> >>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users
> already
>> >>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion
> dollars
>> >>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who
> tells
>> >>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
>> >>
>> >>TCB
>> >
>>
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66237 is a reply to message #66230] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 12:03 |
dc[4]
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I think what he's saying is that Apple is just as sleazy as they've always
>branded Microsoft to be......which is what I've been saying all along
>anyway.
It is a hard thing for any corporation to resist.
Years ago, Soichiro Honda said: "The American automobile
companies think that they make money; they forgot that they
really make cars"
At one point, if things have been profitable, someone will run the
company who will decide that they no longer make cars, cool
computers, great music, or good mixers, and decide that they
now make money. They soon lose their reputation and core
clientele, but often cash out for zillions in the process. It sucks.
As some of you know, a while back, new management
fired the entire Mackie US work force and sent manufacturing to
China, and now Mackie is "Mackie" as in a brand that is being mined
for every last dollar while the bigshots maximize profit until the
brand dies a well-deserved death. I saw three new Mackie SR-24's
DOA in 3 months... Think GM.
I don't know if this is happening with Apple or not. I can tell you
that my Mini has been great, as have the G5's I have put in clients
facilties. However, I can also tell you that a problem I had with
folders populating was NEVER resolved and the jerkoff Apple tech
support guy just stopped returning my calls... Yet, calling Macs
overpriced is only fair if you assemble your own hotrod PC because
a G5 is simply in another league compared to a cheap Dell or a
Costco generic PC. A really good PC that does music well will cost
you as much as a G5 or more. When I move over to Sequoia, I will
buy a rack PC from them, all setup and optimized. Not cheap,
but I can get to work making rockin' music instead of doodling with
the dang thing. You can buy a G5 with Logic and FCP and go
to work on it today. I know, I install them.
As I've said, I do not care about your computer, I care about your
music, and your studio.
And you DJ, your studio looks mahhveluss... (too many computers
tho...)
heh
DC
>
>;o)
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44354eb1$1@linux...
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your
>saying
>> >that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can
>still
>> >use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
>> >
>> >And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!
>> >
>> >James
>>
>> P.S. They maid it easy on the user! That's what Apple does!
>>
>> >
>> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>> >>
>> >>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on
>expensive,
>> >>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already had
>> this
>> >>working
>> >>
>> >>http://onmac.net/
>> >>
>> >>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA
>threats
>> >>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot Camp?
>> >Can
>> >>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if Apple
>> >>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
>> >>
>> >>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE
>BILLION
>> >>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday
you
>> >>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would let
>> you
>> >>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu
on
>> >>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users
>already
>> >>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion
>dollars
>> >>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who
>tells
>> >>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
>> >>
>> >>TCB
>> >
>>
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66238 is a reply to message #66225] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 12:05 |
TCB
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There have been long standing complaints in the free software community that
while Apple abides by the BSD licence for all of the code it has to, they
are not particularly good citizens. Of course Apple chose the BSD code precisely
because the license says you _can_ steal it, so they don't have to do anything,
but I find it offensive that Apple saves enormous amounts of money by using
BSD code while, for example, the OpenBSD project is begging for money.
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=2006032103411 4
I find that repellant, maybe you don't. Of course Apple isn't doing anything
illegal, I just think it's wrong.
As far as putting Windows on your Mac, go for it! My friends who ask me to
set up computers for them all get Ubuntu now anyway, and I haven't heard
many complaints.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your saying
>that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can still
>use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
>
>And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!
>
>James
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>
>>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on expensive,
>>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already had
this
>>working
>>
>>http://onmac.net/
>>
>>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA threats
>>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot Camp?
>Can
>>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if Apple
>>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
>>
>>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE BILLION
>>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday you
>>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would let
you
>>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu on
>>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users already
>>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion dollars
>>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who tells
>>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
>>
>>TCB
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66241 is a reply to message #66236] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 14:44 |
Deej [1]
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Sleaze is a relative thing. What offends me about Apple is that they are no
different than Microsoft.. They just try to make the public believe they
are. In reality, the corporate thinking is the same.....survival at all
costs. Nothing particularly wrong with this from a corporate standpoint.
It's what corporations do.
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:44356490@linux...
> Apple's sleazy? Duh! No wonder I've always been so attracted to them! ;>)
>
> Tony
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:44355d39$1@linux...
> >I think what he's saying is that Apple is just as sleazy as they've
always
> > branded Microsoft to be......which is what I've been saying all along
> > anyway.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:44354eb1$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your
> > saying
> >> >that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can
> > still
> >> >use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
> >> >
> >> >And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!
> >> >
> >> >James
> >>
> >> P.S. They maid it easy on the user! That's what Apple does!
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
> >> >>
> >> >>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on
> > expensive,
> >> >>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already
had
> >> this
> >> >>working
> >> >>
> >> >>http://onmac.net/
> >> >>
> >> >>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA
> > threats
> >> >>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot
Camp?
> >> >Can
> >> >>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if
> >> >>Apple
> >> >>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
> >> >>
> >> >>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE
> > BILLION
> >> >>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday
> >> >>you
> >> >>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would
let
> >> you
> >> >>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu
> >> >>on
> >> >>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users
> > already
> >> >>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion
> > dollars
> >> >>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who
> > tells
> >> >>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
> >> >>
> >> >>TCB
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66242 is a reply to message #66239] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 14:58 |
TCB
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Just to be clear, I say things at least as bad about M$oft as I do about Apple.
I find them wanting for specific reasons, but for the same general sins.
They act like after I buy one of their products I have no rights. They presumptively
treat my like a crimminal by using invasive DRM. They use file formats they
won't disclose which makes me reliant on _them_ (in terms of survival and
permission) for the future integrety if my data. I put up with both of them
because I have no choice. But I'm not a Mac basher, or rather I bash other
organizations with similar or greater ferocity.
TCB
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>XP is in and running great. The entire process was very fast once I had
an
>appropriate XP install disk. I wont get around to trying any music programs
>under XP till later or tomorrow.
>
>I never understood why non-Mac people react with such vigor when attacking
>all things Apple. But I don’t care. Just leave me alone to spend my money
>on tools I like. This box seems like it should appeal to just about everyone.
>Its fast, sleek and runs both systems…No wonder so many people are quick
>to attack it. Is there cheaper stuff… sure knock yourself out.
>I love the logic that Apple is an unscrupulous company. This always seems
>to imply that Microsoft is somehow better, or for that matter, how about
>all the Labels we deal with or the corruption in radio etc, etc, etc.
>
>For the latest on the rotten underbelly of the music industry see:
>http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=173928
>
>Back to the MacBook.
>I took this self-portrait using the built in camera in my studio last night.
>Macs are cool.
>
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66246 is a reply to message #66225] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 15:29 |
LaMont
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"And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!"
Rather, Apple starts to sell an OS-X version that'll run on a PC?????? hummmmmmmmm???
Either way, I love this new development for a few good reasons.
1)Now, mac users can run Cubase SX/Nuendo in it's naitive code which will
yeild better workflow results.
2)PC users can now "justify a good $$ reason to own a Mac.Not just a one
trick pony.
3)This will lure old Logic audio users back to the Apple hardware
4) Apple wcan gain back it's PC logic user base which it lost by going Mac
only..
LaMont
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your saying
>that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can still
>use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
>
>And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!
>
>James
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>
>>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on expensive,
>>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already had
this
>>working
>>
>>http://onmac.net/
>>
>>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA threats
>>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot Camp?
>Can
>>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if Apple
>>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
>>
>>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE BILLION
>>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday you
>>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would let
you
>>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu on
>>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users already
>>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion dollars
>>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who tells
>>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
>>
>>TCB
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66248 is a reply to message #66241] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 15:28 |
Tony Benson
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I get ya Deej. Even in my day job at my family's little tiny Buick
dealership I have to listen to people grind on about how we must be making a
killing or are trying to gouge them, etc. etc. I wish everyone could put
there money where their mouth is and see just how easy it isn't to run a
profitable business while complying with a billion government requirements,
state and federal taxes, providing affordable healthcare for employee's,
OSHA regulations, cash flow management, etc. Not all corporations are evil
money grubbing pigs. Most of us small guys struggle to eek out a middle
class wage just like everyone else. I'm not saying Apple is good or bad as a
company. When you get huge like that, the focus always goes away from the
customer toward the share holders. It's the way our wacky system works. That
aside, Apple does seem to be pretty good at industrial design, and to an
extent a little better at innovation than some other companies out there.
Are they perfect? Far from it. Are they the Devil? If so, I guess I'm
destined to burn baby. I'm just glad they've finally realized that
integration with the PC world is the right direction.
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44358dd8@linux...
> Sleaze is a relative thing. What offends me about Apple is that they are
> no
> different than Microsoft.. They just try to make the public believe they
> are. In reality, the corporate thinking is the same.....survival at all
> costs. Nothing particularly wrong with this from a corporate standpoint.
> It's what corporations do.
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:44356490@linux...
>> Apple's sleazy? Duh! No wonder I've always been so attracted to them! ;>)
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:44355d39$1@linux...
>> >I think what he's saying is that Apple is just as sleazy as they've
> always
>> > branded Microsoft to be......which is what I've been saying all along
>> > anyway.
>> >
>> > ;o)
>> >
>> > "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:44354eb1$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess your
>> > saying
>> >> >that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you can
>> > still
>> >> >use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
>> >> >
>> >> >And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac
>> >> >OSX!
>> >> >
>> >> >James
>> >>
>> >> P.S. They maid it easy on the user! That's what Apple does!
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on
>> > expensive,
>> >> >>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already
> had
>> >> this
>> >> >>working
>> >> >>
>> >> >>http://onmac.net/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with
>> >> >>DMCA
>> > threats
>> >> >>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot
> Camp?
>> >> >Can
>> >> >>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if
>> >> >>Apple
>> >> >>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added
>> >> >>NINE
>> > BILLION
>> >> >>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday
>> >> >>you
>> >> >>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would
> let
>> >> you
>> >> >>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put
>> >> >>Ubuntu
>> >> >>on
>> >> >>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users
>> > already
>> >> >>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion
>> > dollars
>> >> >>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who
>> > tells
>> >> >>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the
>> >> >>temple.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>TCB
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Thu, 06 April 2006 16:03 |
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"DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote in message news:443565ff$1@linux...
>=20
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I think what he's saying is that Apple is just as sleazy as they've =
always
> >branded Microsoft to be......which is what I've been saying all along
> >anyway.
>=20
>=20
> It is a hard thing for any corporation to resist.
More like impossible
=20
> Years ago, Soichiro Honda said: "The American automobile=20
> companies think that they make money; they forgot that they
> really make cars"
Amy and I were just talking about this. She's in love with our 1993 =
Honda Accord. It has 328,000 miles on the odometer and is much a better =
ride than that 2006 Mustang convertible that we were tooling around in =
last month.
>=20
> At one point, if things have been profitable, someone will run the
> company who will decide that they no longer make cars, cool
> computers, great music, or good mixers, and decide that they
> now make money. They soon lose their reputation and core=20
> clientele, but often cash out for zillions in the process. It sucks.=20
..........yep......and to hasten this process, just get a union shop and =
the corporation becomes a healthcare provider rather than a manufacturer =
of quality goods.
>=20
> As some of you know, a while back, new management
> fired the entire Mackie US work force and sent manufacturing to=20
> China, and now Mackie is "Mackie" as in a brand that is being mined
> for every last dollar while the bigshots maximize profit until the=20
> brand dies a well-deserved death. I saw three new Mackie SR-24's
> DOA in 3 months... Think GM. =20
>=20
> I don't know if this is happening with Apple or not. I can tell you
> that my Mini has been great, as have the G5's I have put in clients
> facilties. However, I can also tell you that a problem I had with
> folders populating was NEVER resolved and the jerkoff Apple tech
> support guy just stopped returning my calls... Yet, calling Macs
> overpriced is only fair if you assemble your own hotrod PC=20
I understand you and will concede this point. Unless you stay up to =
speed constantly on what works and what doesn't, vis'a'vis hardware =
compatibility, if you shut down your studio until you've built your new =
PC, the downtime in PC DAW *debugging* could sink you. I have seen the =
same thing happen with Macs too though. Any studio that's integrating a =
new computer is wise to keep the old one operational until the new one =
is burned in.
because
> a G5 is simply in another league compared to a cheap Dell or a=20
> Costco generic PC. A really good PC that does music well will cost=20
> you as much as a G5 or more. =20
....unless you like to build them yourself, which is *all the fun* (for =
me, at least)
When I move over to Sequoia, I will=20
> buy a rack PC from them, all setup and optimized. Not cheap,
> but I can get to work making rockin' music instead of doodling with
> the dang thing. You can buy a G5 with Logic and FCP and go
> to work on it today. I know, I install them.
.......and then you're stuck with using a Mac because of the proprietary =
hardware, which is exactly what I object to.....the proprietariness.=20
>=20
> As I've said, I do not care about your computer, I care about your
> music, and your studio.
>=20
> And you DJ, your studio looks mahhveluss... (too many computers
> tho...)
>=20
>=20
> heh
>=20
> DC
One can never have too many computers.......or Pultecs......;o)
>=20
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44354eb1$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, Smart! Apple gave the people what they wanted. I guess =
your
> >saying
> >> >that Apple are the thieves of the computer industry??? Well you =
can
> >still
> >> >use the hacked version, apple said they wouldn't stop you.
> >> >
> >> >And for Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac =
OSX!
> >> >
> >> >James
> >>
> >> P.S. They maid it easy on the user! That's what Apple does!
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
> >> >>
> >> >>Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on
> >expensive,
> >> >>shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community =
already had
> >> this
> >> >>working
> >> >>
> >> >>http://onmac.net/
> >> >>
> >> >>for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with =
DMCA
> >threats
> >> >>being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot =
Camp?
> >> >Can
> >> >>you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder =
if Apple
> >> >>hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
> >> >>
> >> >>That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added =
NINE
> >BILLION
> >> >>DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed =
Monday
> you
> >> >>could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that =
would let
> >> you
> >> >>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put =
Ubuntu
> on
> >> >>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what =
users
> >already
> >> >>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine =
billion
> >dollars
> >> >>and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person =
who
> >tells
> >> >>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the =
temple.
> >> >>
> >> >>TCB
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"DC" <</FONT><A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "DJ" <</FONT><A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>More like =
impossible</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <BR>> Years ago, Soichiro =
Honda said: "The=20
American automobile <BR>> companies think that they make money; they =
forgot=20
that they<BR>> really make cars"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Amy and I were just talking =
about this.=20
She's in love with our 1993 Honda Accord. It has 328,000 miles on the =
odometer=20
and is much a better ride than that 2006 Mustang convertible =
that we were=20
tooling around in last month.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>> <BR>> At one point, if things have been profitable, someone =
will=20
run the<BR>> company who will decide that they no longer make cars,=20
cool<BR>> computers, great music, or good mixers, and decide that=20
they<BR>> now make money. They soon lose their reputation =
and=20
core <BR>> clientele, but often cash out for zillions in the =
process. =20
It sucks. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>.........yep......and to hasten this process, just get a =
union shop=20
and the corporation becomes a healthcare provider rather than a =
manufacturer of=20
quality goods.<BR></STRONG>> <BR>> As some of you know, a while =
back, new=20
management<BR>> fired the entire Mackie US work force and sent =
manufacturing=20
to <BR>> China, and now Mackie is "Mackie" as in a brand that is =
being=20
mined<BR>> for every last dollar while the bigshots maximize profit =
until the=20
<BR>> brand dies a well-deserved death. I saw three new =
Mackie=20
SR-24's<BR>> DOA in 3 months... Think GM. <BR>> =
<BR>>=20
I don't know if this is happening with Apple or not. I can tell=20
you<BR>> that my Mini has been great, as have the G5's I have put in=20
clients<BR>> facilties. However, I can also tell you that =
a=20
problem I had with<BR>> folders populating was NEVER resolved and the =
jerkoff=20
Apple tech<BR>> support guy just stopped returning my calls... =
Yet,=20
calling Macs<BR>> overpriced is only fair if you assemble your own =
hotrod PC=20
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<DIV><STRONG>I understand you and will concede this point. Unless you =
stay up to=20
speed constantly on what works and what doesn't, vis'a'vis hardware=20
compatibility, if you shut down your studio until you've built your new =
PC, the=20
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thing happen=20
with Macs too though. Any studio that's integrating a new computer is =
wise to=20
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in.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>because<BR>> a G5 is simply in another league compared to a =
cheap Dell=20
or a <BR>> Costco generic PC. A really good PC that does music =
well=20
will cost <BR>> you as much as a G5 or more. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>...unless you like to build them yourself, which is *all =
the fun*=20
(for me, at least)</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>When I move over to Sequoia, I will <BR>> buy a rack PC from =
them, all=20
setup and optimized. Not cheap,<BR>> but I can get to =
work making=20
rockin' music instead of doodling with<BR>> the dang =
thing. You=20
can buy a G5 with Logic and FCP and go<BR>> to work on it =
today. =20
I know, I install them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>......and then you're stuck with using a Mac because of the =
proprietary hardware, which is exactly what I object to.....the =
proprietariness.=20
</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>> <BR>> As I've said, I do not care about your computer, I =
care about=20
your<BR>> music, and your studio.<BR>> <BR>> And you DJ, your =
studio=20
looks mahhveluss... (too many computers<BR>> tho...)<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> heh<BR>> <BR>> DC</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>One can never have too many computers.......or=20
Pultecs......;o)</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> >;o)<BR>> ><BR>> =
>"James=20
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face=3DArial=20
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wrote in=20
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>>=20
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Apple gave=20
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>saying<BR>>=20
>> >that Apple are the thieves of the computer =
industry??? Well=20
you can<BR>> >still<BR>> >> >use the hacked version, =
apple=20
said they wouldn't stop you.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> =
>And for=20
Apple's next trick,....running windows software under Mac OSX!<BR>> =
>>=20
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P.S. =20
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>><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> >"TCB" <</FONT><A=20
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proprietary OS to run on<BR>> >expensive,<BR>> >> =
>>shiny=20
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slobs=20
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>Can<BR>>=20
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also wonder=20
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loader, but I=20
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can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE<BR>> =
>BILLION<BR>>=20
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closed=20
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website and=20
downlaod a bootloader that would let<BR>> >> you<BR>> =
>>=20
>>run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put=20
Ubuntu<BR>> on<BR>> >> >>it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple =
announced=20
that users could do what users<BR>> >already<BR>> >>=20
>>could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine=20
billion<BR>> >dollars<BR>> >> >>and are trading at =
THIRTY=20
THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who<BR>> >tells<BR>> =
>>=20
>>me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the=20
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Thu, 06 April 2006 17:02 |
DC
Messages: 722
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>the downtime in PC DAW *debugging* could sink you. I have seen the same
thing happen with Macs too though. Any studio that's
integrating a new computer is wise to keep the old one operational
until the new one is burned in.
Here's how you do it. If you want Pro Tools, you call Digi and ask
for the latest G5 that PT's has been tested on. Get the Apple
part number. Buy that one, not the one the nice Apple salesboy
tells you to buy. Install it, it works. I have done this quite a few
times.
Buy Logic or FCP, and a new G5. No debugging.
Buy this whole setup:
http://www.sequoiadigital.com/index.shtml
No debugging...
Yes, you can save money building your own, but you can save
money building your own mic pres too, I've done it. Now I just
buy the whole deal all debugged already and go to work.
>...unless you like to build them yourself, which is *all the fun* (for
>me, at least)
You must have been a dentist in a previous life <grin> zzzzzzttt
here take that!! yeowwww!!!
>......and then you're stuck with using a Mac because of the
proprietary hardware, which is exactly what I object to.....the proprietariness.
But that is how you get stuff that works! And I must say that
Mac people are WAY less proprietary than PC people. I have been
trying to get Autodesk to port AutoCad over to Mac for a decade
and they won't do it. MOST mac app writers are cross-platform
minded, and most PC writers are not. Also I have seen IT pukes
try to enforce a "no macs" policy on entire campus. The faculty
laugh at them, then the IT pukes try to get purchase-order veto
power on all computers, then the faculty get together and go to the
provost and the provost tells the IT pukes to go fall in the porta
potties and die. You would not believe how nasty this has gotten
on some college campuses... People have gotten fired or resigned
over this stupid issue.
>One can never have too many computers.......or Pultecs......;o)
Actually, I have a principle I call DC's Law. Since all equipment fails
at some point, it says that the possibility of equipment failure at any
given moment is exponentially related to the number of pieces of
equipment in a studio. At some point, the possibility of equipment failure
reaches 100%. Each computer is worth 25 Pultecs in
estimating your failure probability for any given session...
grrrr
DC
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66256 is a reply to message #66255] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 18:40 |
Deej [1]
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I've been looking at this for a while now...........very proprietary.......
http://www.wk-audio.de/?Virtual-Internet-Controler
and very cool for controlling Nuendo, only Nuendo and nothing but
Nuendo.....and they will build a dual opteron DAW for it and throw in an RME
MADI and enough RME converters to track a respectable session all for around
$35k+ depending on what you need.........a nice alternative to a PT TDM
system .......but if, and only if, the DAW will run lots of proprietary DSP
hardware. I wouldn't mind taking on building a dual dualcore Opteron box and
configuring it to run FW and UAD-1 PCI DSP processors. It would probably
save me around $5k off the cost of the turnkey system, but then I was
probably a dentist in a previous life......plus, it would likely screw up
their warranty. they sell these at West LA music. I'll be in LA in about 2
weeks. Maybe we should go see if they've got one of these to play around
with.
;o)
"DC" <dc@buggerbothofem.org> wrote in message news:4435ac00$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >the downtime in PC DAW *debugging* could sink you. I have seen the same
> thing happen with Macs too though. Any studio that's
> integrating a new computer is wise to keep the old one operational
> until the new one is burned in.
>
> Here's how you do it. If you want Pro Tools, you call Digi and ask
> for the latest G5 that PT's has been tested on. Get the Apple
> part number. Buy that one, not the one the nice Apple salesboy
> tells you to buy. Install it, it works. I have done this quite a few
>
> times.
>
> Buy Logic or FCP, and a new G5. No debugging.
>
> Buy this whole setup:
>
> http://www.sequoiadigital.com/index.shtml
>
> No debugging...
>
> Yes, you can save money building your own, but you can save
> money building your own mic pres too, I've done it. Now I just
> buy the whole deal all debugged already and go to work.
>
> >...unless you like to build them yourself, which is *all the fun* (for
> >me, at least)
>
> You must have been a dentist in a previous life <grin> zzzzzzttt
> here take that!! yeowwww!!!
>
>
> >......and then you're stuck with using a Mac because of the
> proprietary hardware, which is exactly what I object to.....the
proprietariness.
>
> But that is how you get stuff that works! And I must say that
> Mac people are WAY less proprietary than PC people. I have been
> trying to get Autodesk to port AutoCad over to Mac for a decade
> and they won't do it. MOST mac app writers are cross-platform
> minded, and most PC writers are not. Also I have seen IT pukes
> try to enforce a "no macs" policy on entire campus. The faculty
> laugh at them, then the IT pukes try to get purchase-order veto
> power on all computers, then the faculty get together and go to the
> provost and the provost tells the IT pukes to go fall in the porta
> potties and die. You would not believe how nasty this has gotten
> on some college campuses... People have gotten fired or resigned
> over this stupid issue.
>
>
> >One can never have too many computers.......or Pultecs......;o)
>
> Actually, I have a principle I call DC's Law. Since all equipment fails
>
> at some point, it says that the possibility of equipment failure at any
> given moment is exponentially related to the number of pieces of
> equipment in a studio. At some point, the possibility of equipment
failure
> reaches 100%. Each computer is worth 25 Pultecs in
> estimating your failure probability for any given session...
>
> grrrr
>
> DC
>
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66257 is a reply to message #66223] |
Thu, 06 April 2006 19:13 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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LOL - I thought the same thing. "Oh, thanks Apple! Next you are going to
say it's okay to eat a Red Delicious too?"
On 4/6/06 10:41 AM, in article 4435449f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
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> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>
> Well it's about time. Another crappy, proprietary OS to run on expensive,
> shiny hardware. But here's the thing. The hacker community already had this
> working
>
> http://onmac.net/
>
> for quite some time now. And Apple was sniffing around them with DMCA threats
> being the good hearted slobs they are. Can you get source to Boot Camp? Can
> you read the filesystem from the other partition? I also wonder if Apple
> hijacked some BSD licensed boot loader, but I digress.
>
> That said, and I can't believe I'm writing this, Apple has added NINE BILLION
> DOLLARS of market cap since Monday close. When markets closed Monday you
> could go to the above website and downlaod a bootloader that would let you
> run XP on a Mac. Or if you were a little smarter you could put Ubuntu on
> it. Then, on Tuesday, Apple announced that users could do what users already
> could do. And thanks to that they are now worth another nine billion dollars
> and are trading at THIRTY THREE TIMES earnings. The next person who tells
> me markets are efficient is getting a ball peen hammer to the temple.
>
> TCB
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66276 is a reply to message #66255] |
Fri, 07 April 2006 06:12 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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"DC" <dc@buggerbothofem.org> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>the downtime in PC DAW *debugging* could sink you. I have seen the same
>thing happen with Macs too though. Any studio that's
>integrating a new computer is wise to keep the old one operational
>until the new one is burned in.
>
>Here's how you do it. If you want Pro Tools, you call Digi and ask
>for the latest G5 that PT's has been tested on. Get the Apple
>part number. Buy that one, not the one the nice Apple salesboy
>tells you to buy. Install it, it works. I have done this quite a few
>
>times.
>
>Buy Logic or FCP, and a new G5. No debugging.
>
>Buy this whole setup:
>
>http://www.sequoiadigital.com/index.shtml
>
>No debugging...
>
>Yes, you can save money building your own, but you can save
>money building your own mic pres too, I've done it. Now I just
>buy the whole deal all debugged already and go to work.
>
>>...unless you like to build them yourself, which is *all the fun* (for
>>me, at least)
>
>You must have been a dentist in a previous life <grin> zzzzzzttt
>here take that!! yeowwww!!!
>
>
>>......and then you're stuck with using a Mac because of the
>proprietary hardware, which is exactly what I object to.....the proprietariness.
>
>But that is how you get stuff that works! And I must say that
>Mac people are WAY less proprietary than PC people. I have been
>trying to get Autodesk to port AutoCad over to Mac for a decade
>and they won't do it. MOST mac app writers are cross-platform
>minded, and most PC writers are not. Also I have seen IT pukes
>try to enforce a "no macs" policy on entire campus. The faculty
>laugh at them, then the IT pukes try to get purchase-order veto
>power on all computers, then the faculty get together and go to the
>provost and the provost tells the IT pukes to go fall in the porta
>potties and die. You would not believe how nasty this has gotten
>on some college campuses... People have gotten fired or resigned
>over this stupid issue.
As an 'IT puke' who works at a University I can assure you that this is 24
karat horseshit. In 99% of the cases us 'IT pukes' are forced to cater to
the silliest whims of academics with too much time on their hands who don't
know a mousepad from a malted milk. Including supporting their creaky old
Macs they love so much and that don't deal with MIME attachments properly
and use medieval networking like Appletalk (great for a home office, not
great chatting away with every device on the network), and so on.
And if proprietariness [sic] is what 'makes things work' then why is the
most popular and stable web server Apache? Why is the most secure and stable
operating system BSD? Why does IBM recommend Linux to their customers? What
'makes things work' is open standards and punishment for those refusing to
follow them. Case in point being MIDI, which I can use to plug my brand new
M-Audio interface into my MIDI equipped Prophet 10. And TCP/IP which, for
all its warts having been built in the late 60's, still manages to fling
a few billion bits of data all over the world every day. If people thought
like you do then MSoft would have long ago broken the few standards that
exist in HTML and they'd own the web and then I'm sure it would 'just work'
too.
TCB
>
>>One can never have too many computers.......or Pultecs......;o)
>
>Actually, I have a principle I call DC's Law. Since all equipment fails
>
>at some point, it says that the possibility of equipment failure at any
>given moment is exponentially related to the number of pieces of
>equipment in a studio. At some point, the possibility of equipment failure
>reaches 100%. Each computer is worth 25 Pultecs in
>estimating your failure probability for any given session...
>
>grrrr
>
>DC
>
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| Re: Apple says Ok, to running Windows XP on a Mac! [message #66277 is a reply to message #66255] |
Fri, 07 April 2006 06:25 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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On 4/6/06 6:02 PM, in article 4435ac00$1@linux, "DC" <dc@buggerbothofem.org>
wrote:
> But that is how you get stuff that works! And I must say that
> Mac people are WAY less proprietary than PC people. I have been
> trying to get Autodesk to port AutoCad over to Mac for a decade
> and they won't do it. MOST mac app writers are cross-platform
> minded, and most PC writers are not. Also I have seen IT pukes
Hey DC - ummm, that might be your perspective from Autocad, and while it's
probably an industry standard for the design world (not in that business),
it's hardly a reference for which camp is the most cross platform minded,
and it's been PC based for longer than the Mac could run design software,
and being a math-based approach, it is probably better suited to Intel style
cpus. Motorola 68k series (early-mid Macs) were graphics cpus - not great
for number crunching. So, porting to Mac might be too costly for Autodesk,
at least for that application based on it's code and design. Sometimes the
changes are so significant that it's a complete rewrite from the ground up.
I see the other perspective, being a former Logic user - need I say more?
It was Mac based, then finally added PC support, then Apple nixed that, now
it's Mac only, forevermore. I can't think of a PC developer that ditched
the Mac platform just because it was "the other" platform.
Companies that are cross-platform are usually ones that need, or want
customers in both camps to maximize their market and have a product that is
easy to port. Companies that are platform-centric usually can't afford to
port, or don't have enough customers needing it to warrant the development
cost. Just economics, not politics, unless you are Apple or Microsoft (Win
Media Player support for Macs being dropped - Quicktime support for PCs
seems to be dying out also as QT7 has been inoperable on PC for over a year
with no fix in sight).
Regards,
Dedric
> try to enforce a "no macs" policy on entire campus. The faculty
> laugh at them, then the IT pukes try to get purchase-order veto
> power on all computers, then the faculty get together and go to the
> provost and the provost tells the IT pukes to go fall in the porta
> potties and die. You would not believe how nasty this has gotten
> on some college campuses... People have gotten fired or resigned
> over this stupid issue.
>
>
>> One can never have too many computers.......or Pultecs......;o)
>
> Actually, I have a principle I call DC's Law. Since all equipment fails
>
> at some point, it says that the possibility of equipment failure at any
> given moment is exponentially related to the number of pieces of
> equipment in a studio. At some point, the possibility of equipment failure
> reaches 100%. Each computer is worth 25 Pultecs in
> estimating your failure probability for any given session...
>
> grrrr
>
> DC
>
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