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| Katrina [message #57356] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 07:44  |
emarenot
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sing the first set as
the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing something though?
Could mean the n
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| Re: Katrina [message #57430 is a reply to message #57404] |
Tue, 30 August 2005 17:13  |
justcron
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Acrobat Reader, WinRAR, Video Codecs and Firefox.
>> Just my basic beginners install to which I can add the optional
>> applications.
>> I don't know how big it is. Maybe 3-4 Gig I'd guess.
>>
>> So I ghosted an image of the whole thing, with high compression. About
5
>> and a half minutes.
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>> I start ghosting it on to other partitions on the other SATA HDD. I can
>> create
>> a whole extra boot of Windows, complete with all the updates and basic
>> essentials
>> loaded... probably 5 hours work, and it takes about 3 minutes. 3 minutes
>> and the whole thing is on another partition.
>>
>> If I'd realised just how quick and easy it is, I would have bought it
>> years
>> ago.
>>
>> This thing is better than sliced bread. I mean some people make a big
deal
>> about sliced bread, but honestly it doesn't take hours to slice off a
>> peice
>> of bread. Loading windows, drivers, updates, accessories... now that
>> takes
>> time.
>>
>> Anyone who doesn't have Ghost, honestly, go get it NOW! Especially if
you
>> have a DVD burner, because you can image your drives to DVD and load them
>> back up at will. If your system goes crazy during a tracking session you
>> can load up a working install in maybe 10 minutes and you're back.
>>
>> I feel stupid for not getting it sooner. At least I wont be wasting my
>> life
>> any more.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>If you feel the need to work, nontheless... just pull up the
mix, listen without thinking for awhile, make some minor
adjustments based on what you heard, then go to bed.
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots
of
>detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
>mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
>
>Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of songs
to
>mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears into
a
>more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space
for
>me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening
my
>way thr
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| Re: Katrina [message #57459 is a reply to message #57457] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 19:25 |
Deej [1]
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t;justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> news:43165f67@linux...
> > yiiiikes
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>Ditto here too. My post about studio rates was my humorous way of glossing
over my anger with the oil industry. You guys are right, we are on borrowed
time with oil as a fuel source (industry aside), but even so, I found it
quite interesting that other similarly affected industries had a very
different response: a seafood supplier (some of our seafood in the US only
comes from the Gulf) said it might affect prices later down the road - key
words "might", "later". Another supplier said he would absorb the cost
increase if there was one, rather than pass it along to consumers.
The oil industry however raised prices *before* Katrina hit. That's price
gouging and greed, pure and simple - not speculation. Maybe I've
oversimplified the situation, and I know Katrina had a big impact on the
industry, but worldwide, oil companies have the rest of the world over a
barrel, figuratively and literally.
To add to justcron's link, some neighboring hotels were charging $199/night
for $40 rooms. This is beyond sad. It's despicable and barbaric.
Jimmy - you aren't the only one hoping it won't come due just yet. To be
honest, I really wonder how we'll survive if we hit a severe energy crisis.
It would likely cause complete economic collapse. I pray our fears are
unfounded...but maybe that's the wrong prayer. Today we took our 4 yr old
son to his first soccer practice - first team sport for him. Beau
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| Re: Katrina [message #57461 is a reply to message #57404] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 19:56 |
uptown jimmy
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ormat, I should be ok?
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4316294c$1@linux...
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> Mike,
> the external drive (usb/fw) is good solution. As well as, recording
> everything
> in wav file format. Or Record 24 bit in Paris, then batch process in
> wavelab
> into 24 bit wave files
>
> "Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
>>I know this has been asked before but I never paid attention as I never
>
>>thought I would be in that situation but..........
>>
>>I now have about 60 different clients lined up to come in and track about
>
>>3-5 songs each. May end up mixing some but others will go elsewhere.
>>Anyway, I want to be able to give these people some type of media - Im
>>thinking USB external drives at this point - to take with them and allow
>
>>them to walk into any studio, anywhere in the country and be able to mix
>
>>their stuff. Im currently just dealing with WAV files and everything has
>
>>been stored on either my harddrives, backup tapes or DVDs.
>>
>>So far Ive only burned 2 track CDs and that was it. Now I have to be
>>compatible with Im assuming Pro Tools?
>>
>>What recommendations do you guys have for this situation? What format
>>should
>
>>it be in and will Paris do that?
>>Will I have to purchase Protools to be able to do this?
>>
>>Thanks for any suggestions!
>>Mike
>>
>>
>Make sure all tracks have the same start point. If there are punches or
comps, render them as single tracks. If there are chorus vocals in big
groups that only come in at points, you can possibly get by if they start
precisely on a bar line if the song is on a tight click. Otherwise place an
empty piece of track at the start of the son
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| Re: Katrina [message #57463 is a reply to message #57462] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 21:15 |
DT
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quot;Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote in message news:43168a95@linux...
> So as long as I always have the tracks in .WAV format, I should be ok?
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4316294c$1@linux...
> >
> > Mike,
> > the external drive (usb/fw) is good solution. As well as, recording
> > everything
> > in wav file format. Or Record 24 bit in Paris, then batch process in
> > wavelab
> > into 24 bit wave files
> >
> > "Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
> >>I know this has been asked before but I never paid attention as I never
> >
> >>thought I would be in that situation but..........
> >>
> >>I now have about 60 different clients lined up to come in and track
about
> >
> >>3-5 songs each. May end up mixing some but others will go elsewhere.
> >>Anyway, I want to be able to give these people some type of media - Im
> >>thinking USB external drives at this point - to take with them and allow
> >
> >>them to walk into any studio, anywhere in the country and be able to mix
> >
> >>their stuff. Im currently just dealing with WAV files and everything has
> >
> >>been stored on either my harddrives, backup tapes or DVDs.
> >>
> >>So far Ive only burned 2 track CDs and that was it. Now I have to be
> >>compatible with Im assuming Pro Tools?
> >>
> >>What recommendations do you guys have for this situation? What format
> >>should
> >
> >>it be in and will Paris do that?
> >>Will I have to purchase Protools to be able to do this?
> >>
> >>Thanks for any suggestions!
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>And it's small consolation to hear that when oil reaches $80.00 per barrel,
it will be at the same relative price it was in 1980 if inflation is taken
into account.
Alternative fuel sources are more expensive and less efficient right now
than oil and natural gas....it's going to be a break even situation PDQ. In
the meantime, we're going to have to do something drastic.....either
drastically change our lifestyles/energy consumption or drastically change
our position toward exploration/use of domestic fossil fuels. The former
needs to start happening......so does the latter, at least for the short
term while we adapt to the former, perfect alternative energy technologies,
build nuclear plants and plan for the end of petrochemical lifestyle as the
supplies dwindle. Thing is, about 90% of manufactured goods are petroleum
based. I guess I'll have to wire my studio with hemp twine and coconut
shells.
;o(
Deej
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF3BDC79.3FB3%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> Ditto here too. My post about studio rates was my humorous way of
glossing
> over my anger with the oil industry. You guys are right, we are on
borrowed
> time with oil as a fuel source (industry aside), but even so, I found it
> quite interesting that other similarly affected industries had a very
> different response: a seafood supplier (some of our seafood in the US
only
> comes from the Gulf) said it might affect prices later down the road - key
> words "might", "later". Another supplier said he would absorb the cost
> increase if there was one, rather than pass it along to consumers.
>
> The oil industry however raised prices *before* Katrina hit. That's price
> gouging and greed, pure and simple - not speculation. Maybe I've
> oversimplified the situation, and I know Katrina had a big impact on the
> industry, but worldwide, oil companies have the rest of the world over a
> barrel, figuratively and literally.
>
> To add to justcron's link, some neighboring hotels were charging
$199/night
> for $40 rooms. This is beyond sad. It's despicable and barbaric.
>
> Jimmy - you aren't the only one hoping it won't come due just yet. To be
> honest, I really wonder how we'll survive if we hit a severe energy
crisis.
> It would likely cause complete economic collapse. I pray our fears are
> unfounded...but maybe that's the wrong prayer. Today we took our 4 yr old
> son to his first soccer practi
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| Re: Katrina [message #57467 is a reply to message #57463] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 22:39 |
Deej [1]
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ke is due for a tune up anyway...
Regards,
Dedric
On 8/31/05 11:39 PM, in article 43169348$1@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> And it's small consolation to hear that when oil reaches $80.00 per barrel,
> it will be at the same relative price it was in 1980 if inflation is taken
> into account.
>
> Alternative fuel sources are more expensive and less efficient right now
> than oil and natural gas....it's going to be a break even situation PDQ. In
> the meantime, we're going to have to do something drastic.....either
> drastically change our lifestyles/energy consumption or drastically change
> our position toward exploration/use of domestic fossil fuels. The former
> needs to start happening......so does the latter, at least for the short
> term while we adapt to the former, perfect alternative energy technologies,
> build nuclear plants and plan for the end of petrochemical lifestyle as the
> supplies dwindle. Thing is, about 90% of manufactured goods are petroleum
> based. I guess I'll have to wire my studio with hemp twine and coconut
> shells.
>
> ;o(
>
> Deej
>
> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:BF3BDC79.3FB3%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> Ditto here too. My post about studio rates was my humorous way of
> glossing
>> over my anger with the oil industry. You guys are right, we are on
> borrowed
>> time with oil as a fuel source (industry aside), but even so, I found it
>> quite interesting that other similarly affected industries had a very
>> different response: a seafood supplier (some of our seafood in the US
> only
>> comes from the Gulf) said it might affect prices later down the road - key
>> words "might", "later". Another supplier said he would absorb the cost
>> increase if there was one, rather than pass it along to consumers.
>>
>> The oil industry however raised prices *before* Katrina hit. That's price
>> gouging and greed, pure and simple - not speculation. Maybe I've
>> oversimplified the situation, and I know Katrina had a big impact on the
>> industry, but worldwide, oil companies have the rest of the world over a
>> barrel, figuratively and literally.
>>
>> To add to justcron's link, some neighboring hotels were charging
> $199/night
>> for $40 rooms. This is beyond sad. It's despicable and barbaric.
>>
>> Jimmy - you aren't the only one hoping it won't come due just yet. To be
>> honest, I really wonder how we'll survive if we hit a severe energy
> crisis.
>> It would likely cause complete economic collapse. I pray our fears are
>> unfounded...but maybe that's the wrong prayer. Today we took our 4 yr old
>> son to his first soccer practice - first team sport for him. Beautiful
> day
>> in Colorado...but I have to wonder what kind of future he will have.
>>
>> Analyst say tonight gas could exceed $4/gallon here. No way am I buying
>> another gas car. There was a guy in Manitou Springs giving holding a
>> training night on making alternative diesel fuel from common, abundant
>> materials (garbage?). It involved building a pretty simple sounding
>> converter from basic materials, and he claimed it worked very well and
>> burned clean. I'm cool with dropping banana peels into a hydrogenated
>> combobulator system.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 8/31/05 8:59 PM, in article 43166eb0@linux, "uptown jimmy"
>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>> We have been borrowing (and betting) against our futures for a long
> time.
>>>
>>> At some point that note will come due.
>>>
>>> It may be today, it may be tomorrow. But it will come due.
>>>
>>> I guess it's stupid to hope that it ain't due to come due quite yet?
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>> news:431665ea$1@linux...
>>>> I have been ranting for a couple of years now that the biggest threat
> to
>>>> this country doesn't lie in terrorist attacks to large metropolitan
>>>> cente4rs, but to the energy infrastructure. What we're seeing right now
> is
>>>> nothing compared to what would happen if someone popped a nuke in the
>>>> Houston ship channel and in the refinery chain beltween Baton Rouge and
>>> New
>>>> Orleans.
>>>>
>>>> It's been over 20 years since we built any new
>>>> refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it
> cheaper
>>>> to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we
> can't
>>>> drill for that here either.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
>>>> investment by the private sector.
>>>>
>>>> We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace.
>>> Welcome
>>>> to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's
> going
>>>> up tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price
> for
>>> is
>>>> a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to
>>> coordinate
>>>> an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do it
>>>> alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative.
> Private
>>>> enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
>>
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| Re: Katrina [message #57468 is a reply to message #57467] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 23:30 |
DT
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>>>> All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
>>>> paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll
> be
>>>> able to write it off???? F*** no!
>>>>
>>>> ;O(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>>>> news:43165f67@linux...
>>>>> yiiiikes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it’s sung thru a
toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
signal chain? If that’s possible, it seems like that would make
more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
in one room, so since there’s bleed-through, I’m not sure if
doing that latency dance thing I’ve read about is an option.
I’m only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
grade level directions would be much appreciated.
TIA,
DaleDear Dale,
We were talking about comprssion in aux some posts before...
If you wanna use compression on a vocal track just put it as insert on eds
slots so you will have only wet compressed vocal output.
If you wanna mix uncompressed and compressed (mostly used for drums+bass)
please read my previous post.
"Compressed drumtracks along with uncompressed"
I hope this helps a bit...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4316a20f$1@linux...
>
> My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
>
> I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
> parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it’s sung thru a
> toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
> due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
> it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
> signal chain? If that’s possible, it seems like that would make
> more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
>
> I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
> in one room, so since there’s bleed-through, I’m not sure if
> doing that latency dance thing I’ve read about is an option.
>
> I’m only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
> grade level directions would be much appreciated.
>
> TIA,
>
> Daleyou're phasing.
On 1 Sep 2005 16:39:11 +1000, "Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
>
> I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
> parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it’s sung thru a
> toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
> due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
> it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
> signal chain? If that’s possible, it seems like that would make
> more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
>
> I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
> in one room, so since there’s bleed-through, I’m not sure if
> doing that latency dance thing I’ve read about is an option.
>
> I’m only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
>grade level directions would be much appreciated.
>
>TIA,
>
>DaleI don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
a ghost image to my D:. As I install more apps and tweak C: I make more
images on D:. The images are SINGLE files, a snapshot of C:. So I'll
have xpraw.img, xp1.img, xp2.img all representing different milestones
of my XP installs, so I can get back quickly to an install of xpraw with
just drivers, xp1 with paris and other stuff and xp2 with a boatload of
stuff. I"m not sure why you are doing it your way but that's how I do it.
John
Kim wrote:
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>Why are you installing XP multiple times. Just put your ghost image
>>file and ghost on the other drives and just xp on C:
>
>
> Yes I am. That's what I'm saying. Obviously I'm not clear.
>
> I've done a single install of XP and ghosted it onto 5 other partitions,
> but the problem is that the other partitions aren't called C:\, but the Ghosted
> image has a whole bunch of references to files on C:\. All the registry entries,
> all the program shortcuts, and who knows what else, all points to C:\, so
> if I boot the D:\ partition for example, it's using half the files off the
> C: partition.
>
> I think Erling has the right answer though...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.in other words 'we're fucked'
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF3BFC1D.3FBA%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> That's what I'm not sure I understand (having not seen the relative
> figures). I've heard that said about inflation, but it doesn't seem to
> coincide with other prices and wages. Oil jumped from about $14/barrel to
> $37 or so due to the Iran/Iraq war from 1978 to 1980. That was a 160%
> increase for that time, and the equivalent of $86/barrel today. However,
> that was an event spike, not a normal inflationary increase, and it
> spurred
> a push in the 80's for more energy conservation (i.e. consumption went
> down,
> relative to growth by something like 20% didn't it?). Inflation hasn't
> risen by that much since 1978. I look at salaries when I graduated
> college
> relative to now (same profession, starting salary) and those also haven't
> increase 3 fold - actually not even 2X. By 1986/87 oil prices had dropped
> back well below 1980 prices (close to $14-$20/barrel). In looking at the
> general 20 year price trend, there isn't a 4X increase in any market I
> know
> of. Wasn't a gallon of mild about $1.00 around 1980? It's $2.79 now -
> 279%. We are looking at an over 200% increase in oil prices in a year,
> and
> 4X since 1986 (7X since 1998, but that low wasn't a norm). With gas now
> predicted to top $4/gallon, that's well over 200% in a year at the pump
> too.
>
> In 2004, Principal Global Investors' economic report cited the rise to
> $44/barrel as a disruption (comparing the 1973 to 1974 rise of 269% as a
> "shock"). They did however propose that the resulting economic recessions
> of 1974 and 1980-81 were a result of spiking interest rates, not the oil
> price spikes. I could see the same happening now. However, it seems to
> me
> that interest rates are set as a reverse reaction rather than stimulus
> proaction during economic burdening events (oil price rises, etc). While
> investing takes a hit during low interest rates, housing booms. When
> interest rates soar, housing crashes, as well as some businesses. Loans
> are
> more of a burden on the economy than investing is a boon, at least in my
> unqualified opinion. That may be a bad indicator of what the economic
> basis
> is, but it seems more of our reality than not.
>
> We seem to be on an exponential increase with oil now spurred by events
> rather than inflation. Such a spike is similar to '74 and '80. I just
> hope
> the results aren't worse.
>
> Regarding alternative energy - you are quite right (and I also know you
> are
> more informed about the oil industry than I am) - we do need to bite the
> bullet and start moving to other sources. I know there are hydrogen fuel
> cell cars on the near horizon - some manufacturers have started previewing
> them in ads, but obviously fuel sources and distribution are a huge
> limitation. I'm not psyched about extending the life of nuclear power
> (esp.
> into cars). It isn't a long term solution. IMHO, the long term risks
> (waste disposal more than meltdown risk) are just as high as depending on
> oil.
>
> At least maybe this rise will get us moving towards something else -
> anything else. My mountain bike is due for a tune up anyway...
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
>
> On 8/31/05 11:39 PM, in article 43169348$1@linux, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>> And it's small consolation to hear that when oil reaches $80.00 per
>> barrel,
>> it will be at the same relative price it was in 1980 if inflation is
>> taken
>> into account.
>>
>> Alternative fuel sources are more expensive and less efficient right now
>> than oil and natural gas....it's going to be a break even situation PDQ.
>> In
>> the meantime, we're going to have to do something drastic.....either
>> drastically change our lifestyles/energy consumption or drastically
>> change
>> our position toward exploration/use of domestic fossil fuels. The former
>> needs to start happening......so does the latter, at least for the short
>> term while we adapt to the
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| Re: Katrina [message #57473 is a reply to message #57468] |
Thu, 01 September 2005 04:42 |
justcron
Messages: 330
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ny new
>>>>> refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it
>> cheaper
>>>>> to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we
>> can't
>>>>> drill for that here either.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
>>>>> investment by the private sector.
>>>>>
>>>>> We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace.
>>>> Welcome
>>>>> to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's
>> going
>>>>> up tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price
>> for
>>>> is
>>>>> a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to
>>>> coordinate
>>>>> an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do
>>>>> it
>>>>> alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative.
>> Private
>>>>> enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
>>>>>
>>>>> All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
>>>>> paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll
>> be
>>>>> able to write it off???? F*** no!
>>>>>
>>>>> ;O(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>>>>> news:43165f67@linux...
>>>>>> yiiiikes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
>a ghost image to my D:.
Obviously I'm not explaining myself very well. ;o)
I'm not making an IMAGE on D (well, I've made images too, but...), I'm actually
cloning the partition and then trying to BOOT to D, which now is an exact
copy of C. I'm using ghost to copy from partition to partition, not partition
to image. I want to have 6 different bootable partitions. C, D, E, F, G and
H, and be able to select which of the six I boot to. One will be just Paris.
One will be Paris and other audio apps. One will have Office and other publishing
apps. One will have games... etc etc.
The problem being that if I boot to E drive after copying C drive on to it,
all the shortcuts and registry entries on E drive still point to C drive.
C drive works fine. I can create an image and restore it. It's perfect, but
if you load your ghost image on to D, E, F, G etc, and then modify the C
drive BOOT.INI so that you can boot D, E, F or whatever, then you'll still
be using many of the files off C drive because the shortcuts and registry
and who knows what else on the image all say "C:\Windows" not "D:\Windows".
I think the important word here is my misuse of the word image. The problem
is with actually cloning the partition, not with creating or restoring an
image. If I make an image of C and restore it TO C it's fine. If I restore
it to D, E or F and try to boot it, then there's trouble.
Is that clearer?
Cheers,
Kim.By the way, Erling was right, and I've got it sorted now, so it's all a non
issue. I just needed a boot manager which then automatically causes whichever
partition I boot to be called C drive, hence I'm never booting any other
drive letter. Hence the fact that everything points at C is irrelivant, because
whichever partition I boot, it is always called C.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>I don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
>
>>a ghost image to my D:.
>
>Obviously I'm not explaining myself very well. ;o)
>
>I'm not making an IMAGE on D (well, I've made images too, but...), I'm actually
>cloning the partition and then trying to BOOT to D, which now is an exact
>copy of C. I'm using ghost to copy from partition to partition, not partition
>to image. I want to have 6 different bootable partitions. C, D, E, F, G
and
>H, and be able to select which of the six I boot to. One will be just Paris.
>One will be Paris and other audio apps. One will have Office and other publishing
>apps. One will have games... etc etc.
>
>The problem being that if I boot to E drive after copying C drive on to
it,
>all the shortcuts and registry entries on E drive still point to C drive.
>C drive works fine. I can create an image and restore it. It's perfect,
but
>if you load your ghost image on to D, E, F, G etc, and then modify the C
>drive BOOT.INI so that you can boot D, E, F or whatever, then you'll still
>be using many of the files off C drive because the shortcuts and registry
>and who knows what else on the image all say "C:\Windows" not "D:\Windows".
>
>I think the important word here is my misuse of the word image. The problem
>is with actually cloning the partition, not with creating or restoring an
>image. If I make an image of C and restore it TO C it's fine. If I restore
>it to D, E or F and try to boot it, then there's trouble.
>
>Is that clearer?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim. http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
This is the one I am looking at.
No drift accepts line input.
A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that you would
need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking at).
Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna and stick
run it out the window or something.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Brandon,
>
>I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW to
the
>radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the most
>affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal can
>reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T looks
>like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of input
it
>uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
>
>Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings and
the
>time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT would
>pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about 50' and
>for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is upstairs,
>the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage and
the
>distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least 30' and
>probably a bit further.
>
>Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car and set
>the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are with
a
>mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes day
>who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out if
you
>knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute* his
>Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
>
>Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
>
>;oP
>
>Deej
>
>"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:4316479d@linux...
>> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4314bb79@linux...
>> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC imposed
>> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station
>that
>> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
>> >
>> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I always
>> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated the
>> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations,
with
>> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear how
>your
>> > mixes will play on the radio.
>> >
>> > RZ
>> >
>> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:43148120@linux...
>> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car
and
>> >> other home stereo devices.
>> >> Anyone doing this?
>> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after CD.
>> >> Any suggestions?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>I thought this was a pretty cool idea that Derek at CDBaby came
up with, so I joined up for it. You can donate your profits
from CDBaby to help Katrina victims for as long or as short of
a time frame as you want. If any of you or your
friends/associates have CD's for sale on CDBaby but didn't
receive this e-mail from him, here's the full text of the
e-mail pasted in below:
***begin paste***
Hi Neil -
If you'd like to donate all profits of your CD sales to the Red Cross disaster
relief fund, to help the hurricane victims, I set up an easy way for you
to do this at CD Baby.
Log in to your account, here:
https://members.cdbaby.com/login?u=***youraccountname***
After you log in, click [YOUR ITEMS], up top, then [EDIT ALBUM INFO] next
to your CD, then click next to "Giving profits to charity".
It will explain more about how it works, there. (Please read it, first,
befo
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JimT
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a plug-in that emulated the
>>>brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations, with
>>>presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear how
>
> your
>
>>>mixes will play on the radio.
>>>
>>>RZ
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43148120@linux...
>>>
>>>>I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car and
>>>>other home stereo devices.
>>>>Anyone doing this?
>>>>I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after CD.
>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I gotcha. I hear there are also physical switches you can buy to
switch/pick your C: drive on bootup. I like the removeable trays myself.
Kim wrote:
> By the way, Erling was right, and I've got it sorted now, so it's all a non
> issue. I just needed a boot manager which then automatically causes whichever
> partition I boot to be called C drive, hence I'm never booting any other
> drive letter. Hence the fact that everything points at C is irrelivant, because
> whichever partition I boot, it is always called C.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
>>
>>>a ghost image to my D:.
>>
>>Obviously I'm not explaining myself very well. ;o)
>>
>>I'm not making an IMAGE on D (well, I've made images too, but...), I'm actually
>>cloning the partition and then trying to BOOT to D, which now is an exact
>>copy of C. I'm using ghost to copy from partition to partition, not partition
>>to image. I want to have 6 different bootable partitions. C, D, E, F, G
>
> and
>
>>H, and be able to select which of the six I boot to. One will be just Paris.
>>One will be Paris and other audio apps. One will have Office and other publishing
>>apps. One will have games... etc etc.
>>
>>The problem being that if I boot to E drive after copying C drive on to
>
> it,
>
>>all the shortcuts and registry entries on E drive still point to C drive.
>>C drive works fine. I can create an image and restore it. It's perfect,
>
> but
>
>>if you load your ghost image on to D, E, F, G etc, and then modify the C
>>drive BOOT.INI so that you can boot D, E, F or whatever, then you'll still
>>be using many of the files off C drive because the shortcuts and registry
>>and who knows what else on the image all say "C:\Windows" not "D:\Windows".
>>
>>I think the important word here is my misuse of the word image. The problem
>>is with actually cloning the partition, not with creating or restoring an
>>image. If I make an image of C and restore it TO C it's fine. If I restore
>>it to D, E or F and try to boot it, then there's trouble.
>>
>>Is that clearer?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>
>Ok, everyone together now! TROLL!
Tony
(yes, my real name and everything) ;>)
"Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in message
news:43174564$1@linux...
>
> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>
> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>
>
> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
> By Sidney Blumenthal
> Salon.com
>
> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>
> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut
> New
> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>
>
> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine layer
> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>
> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
> thousands
> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New
> Orleans
> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the
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Thu, 01 September 2005 16:35 |
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>Mac dual 800 G4, 160 GB system/apps disk, 250 GB internal data disk, three
>250 GB Firewire drives for sound libraries. 1160 GB or so on just that one
>computer. :-) (Pretty soon, I'm going to give in and put together a couple
>rack mount pcs for the orchestral libraries...)
You win. I'm taking my dual 1GHz Quicksilver and going home.
pabAwesome. I've always heard about Lindy Fralin.
With the Fralin pickups, how does a techy route out a hole for the bridge
pickup? That pickup is set into the metal plate that the bridge is mounted
on.
It makes me wonder if I could install the Kinman pickups myself, being
moderately handy. Is there welding invovled?
Are the Fralin pickups that much better than the Kinmans?
Jimmy
"DC" <dc@turnthatdown.org> wrote in message news:43177467$1@linux...
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
> >with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
> >necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
> >noise...
>
> These pickups *kill* and are dead silent. Not fake single coil sound,
> but the best, clear single coil sound I've ever heard, despite being
> dead silent.
>
> http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#p92
>
> I use the "Twangmaster" and love it. It's 2 coils, but each coil is
> only covering 3 strings. That way the coils can be in series, so you
> get the silence of a HB, but because only 1 coil picks up each
> string, you get the sound of a single.
>
> Another option, if you want something to go in the standard cutout
> is Chris Kinman's stuff.
>
> http://www.kinman.com
>
> His Tele pickups are very quiet and sound terrific, and don't require
> cutting any larger openings in anything. He's an Aussie, but his
> pickups sound like Fullerton (or maybe Memphis) if you know
> what I mean.
>
> Inside Paris, sometimes I simply go around editing out the spaces
> between guitar parts to get the hum out if I just have to use
> a guitar with a buzzy pickup on it. Lot's of work, but effective
> unless the guitar is clean, and mixed way up front.
>
> DC
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Awesome. I've always heard about Lindy Fralin.
Nice guy and what an ear.
>With the Fralin pickups, how does a techy route out a hole for the bridge
>pickup? That pickup is set into the metal plate that the bridge is mounted
>on.
You have to get it machined or buy one for a HB.
>It makes me wonder if I could install the Kinman pickups myself, being
>moderately handy. Is there welding invovled?
Soldering. As long as you have a fine tip iron and the right solder,
no sweat.
>Are the Fralin pickups that much better than the Kinmans?
Can't say that. Kinman's stuff is gorgeous sounding. Every
time I stop by his booth at NAMM his pickups knock me out.
I just love the Twangmaster, but if you want to try the no-mod
way, it would be an easier install to get a Kinman.
DC
>
>Jimmy
>
>"DC" <dc@turnthatdown.org> wrote in message news:43177467$1@linux...
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> >2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
>> >with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
>> >necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
>> >noise...
>>
>> These pickups *kill* and are dead silent. Not fake single coil sound,
>> but the best, clear single coil sound I've ever heard, despite being
>> dead silent.
>>
>> http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#p92
>>
>> I use the "Twangmaster" and love it. It's 2 coils, but each coil is
>> only covering 3 strings. That way the coils can be in series, so you
>> get the silence of a HB, but because only 1 coil picks up each
>> string, you get the sound of a single.
>>
>> Another option, if you want something to go in the standard cutout
>> is Chris Kinman's stuff.
>>
>> http://www.kinman.com
>>
>> His Tele pickups are very quiet and sound terrific, and don't require
>> cutting any larger openings in anything. He's an Aussie, but his
>> pickups sound like Fullerton (or maybe Memphis) if you know
>> what I mean.
>>
>> Inside Paris, sometimes I simply go around editing out the spaces
>> between guitar parts to get the hum out if I just have to use
>> a guitar with a buzzy pickup on it. Lot's of work, but effective
>> unless the guitar is clean, and mixed way up front.
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>Rock on, DC.
Jimmy
"DC" <dc@spaninacan.net> wrote in message news:4317aae2$1@linux...
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Awesome. I've always heard about Lindy Fralin.
>
> Nice guy and what an ear.
>
>
> >With the Fralin pickups, how does a techy route out a hole for the bridge
> >pickup? That pickup is set into the metal plate that the bridge is
mounted
> >on.
>
> You have to get it machined or buy one for a HB.
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Thu, 01 September 2005 16:42 |
Deej [1]
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>
> >It makes me wonder if I could install the Kinman pickups myself, being
> >moderately handy. Is there welding invovled?
>
> Soldering. As long as you have a fine tip iron and the right solder,
> no sweat.
>
>
> >Are the Fralin pickups that much better than the Kinmans?
>
> Can't say that. Kinman's stuff is gorgeous sounding. Every
> time I stop by his booth at NAMM his pickups knock me out.
>
> I just love the Twangmaster, but if you want to try the no-mod
> way, it would be an easier install to get a Kinman.
>
> DC
>
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >"DC" <dc@turnthatdown.org> wrote in message news:43177467$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my
Telecaster
> >> >with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
> >> >necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
> >> >noise...
> >>
> >> These pickups *kill* and are dead silent. Not fake single coil sound,
> >> but the best, clear single coil sound I've ever heard, despite being
> >> dead silent.
> >>
> >> http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#p92
> >>
> >> I use the "Twangmaster" and love it. It's 2 coils, but each coil is
> >> only covering 3 strings. That way the coils can be in series, so you
> >> get the silence of a HB, but because only 1 coil picks up each
> >> string, you get the sound of a single.
> >>
> >> Another option, if you want something to go in the standard cutout
> >> is Chris Kinman's stuff.
> >>
> >> http://www.kinman.com
> >>
> >> His Tele pickups are very quiet and sound terrific, and don't require
> >> cutting any larger opening
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Fri, 02 September 2005 02:12 |
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work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight a
war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
> norm.
>
> :o(
>
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do question
> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
that
> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
that
> >looks reasonable to me.
> >
> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
> >>
> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
> >stereotype
> >> of someone who works in the industry.
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White
House
> >> >sponsored
> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
> >> >America's
> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming,
fails
> >> to
> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to
help
> >> >consumers
> >> >> at the gas pump.
> >> >> What it did do includes:
> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
construction
> >> >activities
> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day
in
> >> >2014
> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are
all
> >> >showing
> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of
all
> >> >time.)
> >> >>
> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my
> >> >personal
> >> >> favorites are:
> >> >>
> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
compensate
> >> for
> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
> >> >concluded
> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you
$800
> >> >million
> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has considerable
> >> >holdings
> >> >> in one of the companies.
> >> >
> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on
the
> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels.
It
> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was
> >bad
> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only
did
> >> it
> >> >because it was federally mandated.
> >> >
> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
> >similar
> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family
has
> >> >future
> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >> >
> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope of
> >the
> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
> >Glacier
> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact that
> >Cheney
> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but he's
> >from
> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations ago
just
> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
> >> >
> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him
before.
> >> If
> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to get
to
> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
> >Halliburton
> >> >thing, right?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you
would
> >> have
> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business,
> >you
> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
> >(Public
> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
> >> >
> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers. (Just
a
> >> >little perspective)
> >> >
> >> >;o)
> >> >>
> >> >> Gene
> >> >>
> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
absolute
> >> >reliance
> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively
> >> >effected
> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the
> >large
>
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> Gig drives. I imagine both the trays and switches would only really work
> if you had drives set up with just one bootable partition on them and only
> needed to switch between drives.
>
> I have always thought though that the trays are a really good solution, assuming
> your drive/partition setup suits it. There is something reassuring about
> knowing that your other boot isn't even in the machine. Of course on the
> down side moving the drives about can't physically be so good for drive reliablilty.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim."fertilize it with pesticides"
hehe what are you a lobbyist? :)Warmer ocean temps mean more severe and frequent huricanes. Even a few degrees
makes a difference.
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>Kim,
>
>No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
>anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling. Weather gets more severe
>because that's what heavy weather does. Records get broken, storms get
>smaller and storms get bigger. High jumpers jump higher, sales records
get
>smashed, TV's get bigger/better, audio players get smaller, moles come and
>moles go.
>
>The recent killer tsunami in Indonesia - KYOTO just didn't get inked fast
>enough and so - BOOM - nuther big ass . When folks taut this kind of
>simplistic, meteorlogically illiterate conclusions, it hastens the notion
>that "the simple go their way and are punished" for their ignorance. When
>the weatherman, with all his pinpoint-double-doppler exclusive
>super-hootie-NOAA-assisted-block-by-block-accuweather-can more accurately
>predict inside a 12-hour apperature of time, the myopic scientific types
>might get a nod from me. I wish it were so simple a matter as each of us
>cherry picking one article from a magazine or newspaper of our choosing,
>proclaiming that to be "the last word."
>
>Half-asleep,
>Dubya
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4317d848$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> I don't mean to sound like I'm saying I told you so, but scientists have
>> been telling us the weather will get more severe for years due to global
>> warming...
>>
>> This August, here in Melbourne, half way through the month we were told
we
>> were headed for the warmest August ever, then suddenly in week 3 Melbourne
>> experienced the coldest August day since the 70's, then suddenly it went
>> warm again.
>>
>> All this stuff is no coincedence.
>>
>> People who wont even sign KYOTO, which in itself goes nowhere near far
>> enough,
>> make me want to scream, for exactly the reason we're now seeing.
>> Frustrating
>> as hell.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>If you're talking about New Orleans, it's because the disaster event isn't
>>>over yet. The flood is still happening.
>>>
>>>IOf you're talking about everything else that's happening in the
>>>world.....it's because of France.
>>>
>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4317d003@linux...
>>>> What the fuck is going on? Why is this thing getting so bad?
>>>>
>>>> Is this the best we can do?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what to say, but I feel compelled to scream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Not too long ago, people wouldn't have known exactly how bad the storm would
be with enough time to evacuate. Now we have near real time satellite
images... probably saved a lot of lives.Yikes! I actually said that didn't I? I meant *fertilize it and apply
pesticides*, though with the way things are done these days, it's likely a
simultaneous process anyway......which is even scarier.
;oP
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:431846c0@linux...
> "fertilize it with pesticides"
>
> hehe what are you a lobbyist? :)
>
>"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/04/28_st eilm_e86sales/
>
>It sure could make farming a lucrative occupation again...
Ethanol is heavily-subsidized, that price doesn't reflect the
true market conditions if everyone in the country (or even a
good chunk of it) were to switch to ethanol... we'd still be
paying more for it than the price shown, it's just that we'd be
paying for with taxes instead of at the pump itself.
Neil
it's the time of year
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> it's going to get
>hosed with chemical pesticides, big time, to keep yields high and, like
the
>MTBE's, this will leach into the water table.
>
>Cool huh?
Fair point...
.... that PLUS it pollutes the air like oil...
....not sounding so good really.
Cheers,
Kim.John <no@no.com> wrote:
>i don't think moving drives makes any change in reliability
Yeh, I'm not so sure. From what I've heard moving drives doesn't help. In
fact I had my main Paris hdd die back in 99-00 sometime when I was moving
house. Moving the computer killed the drive. Was working perfectly when I
left. Error city once I got to the new place. No co-incidence. Yes drive
technology has improved a little, but I'd bet on a drive which stayed still
above one which experienced constant moves any time.
Cheers,
Kim."DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>though with the way things are done these days, it's likely a
>simultaneous process anyway......which is even scarier.
>
Indeed... ;oP
Cheers,
Kim.How do u do a prefetch bat??? I'm intrigued as my puter is slow at the
moment, and anything to speed the boot would be good. excuse my ignorance
for a needy example..
Russ
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43178d31$1@linux...
>
>
> She's runnin' BEAUT!! :o)
>
> Last night I got Paris and all my standard plugins loaded. Had a couple of
> issues breifly where I hadn't restarted after installing some DX plugins
> which the system didn't like much. Once I got that resolved it seemed to
> work perfectly. I didn't give Paris a really lengthy test though, but had
> a listen to a few projects... engaged and disengaged some plugins. Seemed
> solid, and very quick. Extremely usable.
>
> And my favourite test of "snappyness" of all, on boot, when the black
> Windows
> screen with the blue Knight Rider bar comes up, the blue bar travels from
> left to right a grand total of ONCE! :o) In bootup, the machine spends far
> longer getting it's BIOS organised than it does booting Windows.
>
> Also, I remembered the old Aaron Allen tweak of putting a "Prefetch.bat"
> in startup which has the line "del C:\Windows\Prefetch\*.* /q" and hence
> clears the Windows prefetch. That actually sped up the boot process from
> about 4 knightrider bars to just the one.
>
> Made a ghost. Now I'm ready to move on to loading the general Audio Apps
> boot, which will involve starting from the Paris Only boot, and adding
> Cubase
> and Reason. I'll have to buy the BFD one day soon too...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.I am not out to change anyone's mind, but I have done my own research
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Fri, 02 September 2005 08:15 |
Pete Ruthenburg
Messages: 127
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gt;> >independence,
>> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares
more
>> >about
>> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> Gene
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post script is
yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB doesn't
see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
extrapolated hyperbole.
Yes weather goes in cycles. Katrina is the worst hurricane since Camille,
but Camille was worse - I think 210mph winds there - it was a full cat 5
when it hit Galvaston in 1900. We only have accurate weather records for a
little over 100 years here. Let's be real here. New Orleans is below sea
level, on the coast. How arrogant could we humans possibly be than to build
a city in the center of hurricane alley, below sea level? I'm not
diminishing the catastrophe for the people there, but we have high rises and
homes right on the beach that get wiped out time after time, yet we build
right back. Isn't there a measure of personal risk, or just unfortunate
circumstances involved with where we choose to live? Sure, some people
really don't have a choice, and for them it's tragic, pure and simple. No
blame either way, just reality. People who live next to rivers take the
same risk - great place to live, but it comes with the chance you might lost
it someday. The more people do this and the larger populations grow, the
bigger the catastrophe when a storm or flood does hit. It's been happening
for centuries - the ice age was a huge natural disaster - but no one was
around to film such past natural events, so we really don't bother thinking
about how comparatively normal the hurricane, and even the tsunami are in
the scope of global weather history.
Kim I'm sorry to hear you had weird weather in Australia, but based on
scientific reports I've heard, such events are far less likely to be the
result of global warming than a 20 year trend in averages would be.
Certainly some odd events could be a result, but it is nearly impossible to
say for sure, and certainly even harder to predict. We live with highly
variable weather here in the US. Both the hottest temp and the highest wind
gust ever have been recorded in the US, since records have been kept at
least. Highest wind gust - Mt. Washington, NH I believe - I've hiked it,
but it was only 40F that day, with 20-35mph winds, so a normal day basically
:-). Hottest temp - probably Death Valley. Good name too.
We do need to address our environmental habits - there is without a doubt an
impact we are paying for, whether we really know it or not. But launching
blame against governments for not doing something sooner in the face of a
natural disaster is ludicrous and ill-informed. Let's fix the real problem
- name one person in a one developed country that could live without a car
if we really did what it takes to solve this quickly - cut fossil fuel usage
by 50-100% in a year, not 10, or 20 like Kyoto, but 1 or 2. We've created
societies (Australia, Europe, Canada, Asia, Russia, etc included) that would
have a hard time surviving economically if we really addressed environmental
issues head on, with real mandates or laws, and real results. It would hurt
bad - very bad. That's the crux of the seemingly wishy washy policy
approach to it. It won't happen until the people of this world decide to do
something. It's simply lame to sit around waiting for governments to not
only force us, but convince us that whatever legislation is passed is a
beautiful thing and we'll love the results. That's what we are doing to be
truthful - waiting for someone else to take the situation in hand and
convince everyone else it's the greatest idea since the wheel, which is
really the one that started this mess.
Regards,
Dedric
On 9/2/05 7:53 AM, in article 4318598a$1@linux, "jp" <no@mail.please> wrote:
> I am not out to change anyone's mind, but I have done my own research on
> climate. With my understanding of cyclical world climate changes,
> understanding of the gulf stream mechanism, as well as the scope of
> naturally occurring co2, I am confident that the earth has a tendency to
> keep itself in balance, even if that means shedding off certain species
> (including us). The earth doesn't need our help. It's been doing fine for a
> few billion years.
>
> I think it's a bit short sighted to use a 2-300 year period of record
> keeping to define "normal" (1/.000000075th or so of the earths life). The
> earth isn't going to stop evolving just because George Bush found Jesus.
>
> You think "global warming" is bad, then you'll be in shock when the sun goes
> through another 100 year solar flare cycle (think about it, computers
> weren't around during the last cycle). Just imagine a world with no wireless
> transmission for several weeks or months. We'll be replacing ICs in the
> majority of computer appliances (including just about every vehicle within
> the sun's line of sight) and a lifetime of UV damage will be nothing
> compared to what 5 minutes exposure to a large flare can do.
>
> The earth's a dangerous place. You need to be educated and prepared in order
> to survive.
>
> Just one man's opinion.
>
> and a post script:
>
> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
> more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
> the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
> White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
>
> H.L. Mencken 1880 - 1956
>
> I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up buy
> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron.
>
> Do a little research and you'll find a similar "Armageddon" campaign around
> 1000 AD. Hundreds of thousands died around that time, not because of natural
> disasters, but because the majority of the people stopped planting crops,
> and starved to death.
>
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4318090c@linux...
>>
>> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
>>
>>> anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling.
>>
>> Well, no disrespect to you, but when I hear ten years of talk about how
>> weather
>> will get more severe and more extreme, and when I look at weather in my
>> own
>> city, and not only notice the changes, but also hear constant news reports
>> confirming that we're hitting more extremes more often, well it leads me
>> to the natural conclusion that maybe, just maybe, all those scientists who
>> claimed for years that we should expect worse hurricanes, well maybe they
>> were right.
>>
>> You're right in the simple example that one cat5 does not a global warming
>> link make. And records, one would expect, will be broken from time to time
>> anyhow.
>>
>> Personally I start to think something is amiss though when I hear "Warmest
>> [month x] on record" every couple of months. I don't expect to change your
>> mind Mark, as I've learned that Don C is pretty much dead on when he says
>> nobody ever changes their minds in these discussions. None the less, every
>> time global warming comes up on this NG I always have a record to resite
>> for my home city for the current day, week, or month, and it's more often
>> than not something like it was this time...
>>
>> OK. Let me tell you some stats:
>>
>> This year, for Melbourne, where I live...
>>
>> 2004 was the 4th warmest year on record. We finished off 2004 with the
>> wettest
>> end to a year ever. Then had the coldest February (summer) day on record
>> which included the highest rainfall ever in the city by a factor of 20%,
>> which was 3 times the average MONTHLY rainfall ALL IN A SINGLE DAY. The
>> coldest
>> February since 1954. Wettest February since 1973. Driest Autumn since 1900
>> since records (1900) for the state. Warmest autumn since 1950. (Autumn
>> here
>> being Mar, Apr, May of course).
>>
>> Meanwhile July's minimum temps were the (equal) warmest on record.
>>
>> We started August by being told 2 weeks in that averages were warmer than
>> any August on record. Then week 3 I got snowed on in Ringwood. It doesn't
>> snow in Ringwood, period. It was the coldest August day since the 70's.
>> The
>> most extreme August since, oh I don't remember...
>>
>> Sorry dude. I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, where I'm
>> sitting,
>> things just aren't normal. And more and more people are saying it...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcg
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Fri, 02 September 2005 09:11 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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>
>> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more
>> >about
>> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> Gene
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>Anybody use the Cakewalk VST-DX wrapper with Paris? It lists at $59 on their
website..Is it better than the old FXPansion one?Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
not that means he is taking any blame there are bound to be
changes as there should be.
Pete
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I tend to agree on this point. The first thing that started really scaring
>me was the fact that the governer of LA was near hysterics in a televised
>news conference. That was Tuesday, and things have gotten much worse since
>then. And the mayor of NO doesn't seem entirely competent to handle the
>situation, either...to put it nicely...
>
>LA leadership is not up the task, never could have been. It's just so
>obvious the whole place got caught with a uppercut it never bothered to
take
>seriously.
>
>It is unconscionable, however, how slow and lazy the Federal response has
>been. The various leaders of various agencies, including our not-so-esteemed
>boy king, have spent more time making excuses, it seems, than in making
>things better.
>
>I am simply horrified with what is unfolding. The political repercussions
>will be massive. I predict the head of FEMA will be jobless very soon.
>
>Jimmy
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:43186e80$1@linux...
>
>> I'm with you.
>>
>> The president is not an inspiring leader at times of diaster, but this
>> f*ckup has to be laid at the feet of the tradition of corruption and
>> poor government in NO. They knew exactly what would happen
>> to the levies, they knew exactly how deep the water would be and
>> where it would go. Why was there not an effective emergency
>> plan? Where was the local leadership? When NO needed a
>> Giuliani they got a worthless whiner and no plan. Bush was slow,
>> as he usually is. No excuses. But compared to the city and state
>> bozos he is a paragon of virtue.
>>
>> DC
>
>Jason,
It wasn't meant to be warm and fuzzy. It was meant to be ludicrous just like
the linked article was. Yes, I'm a conservative leaning libertarian. Yes,
I'm disgusted with the fiscal waste by Washington. I'm also sick and tired
of the hard left blaming everything bad that happens in the world on the
Bush administration. For God's sake, people are still dying in New Orleans
and a large part of the country would rather turn this disaster into a
partisan politics pissing match. It's sickening. This isn't the America I
knew growing up.
I heard today that the Corps Of Engineers have been warning of the
possibility of this kind of disaster since the early 1960's. What did
Kennedy do? What did Johnson do? How about Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
#1, Clinton? That's eight administrations that had the information and for
whatever reason nothing (or very little and certainly not enough) was done.
I have no great admiration for George Bush. I disagree with more and more of
his policies every day. It's the fervent and utterly absolute hatred by the
left that really disturbs me.
********WARM AND FUZZY PART********
I'm really diggin' Miles to Miles. Listening to Butter Pecan as I type.
Excellent! As I've said before, regardless of everyone's differing political
views on this news group, I have faith if any of us were to meet on the
street, that we'd become quick friends. I think most all of us can at least
agree that PARIS rocks!
Here's wishing everyone on the group peace, safety and happiness.
Tony
"jason Miles" <Jmiles45@aol.com> wrote in message news:43177f03$1@linux...
>
> "Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>>That only applies if the messenger is delivering the truth.
>>
>>I have proof that all the money diverted from any federal flood control
>
>>projects was used to pay for welfare programs, grants for people who roll
>
>>around in shit and call it art, federally funded abortion clinics, and
>>interest on defaulted student loans.
>>
> what a warm and fuzzy response
> JMI am not moving my drives WHILE they are running.
John
Kim wrote:
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>i don't think moving drives makes any change in reliability
>>
>
> Indeed, come to think of it, tell the thousands who have had trouble with
> their IPODs that. I've heard reports that IPODs are having huge reliablilty
> problems, all because their ads show people jogging listening to tunes, when
> in fact, despite the IPOD drives being equipped best they can for movement,
> no physical hdd really suits being shacken about. Hence people go running,
> and the machine lasts only 3 months.
>
> That's what I've heard anyhow...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.Here's what I don't understand... a day or two before the
hurricane made landfall, when they knew it was going to be a bad
one, but didn't necessarily know where it was going hit exactly,
why didn't the feds start sending emergency vehicles & supplies
to a staging area in like Kansas, or Oklahoma, or something?
I mean, you can't send things right down into the storm istelf,
at that point of course, all that stuff would've been destroyed
along with everything else, but start shipping truckloads of non-
perishable food/MRE's, deploy gasoline tankers full of fuel,
flatbeds with emergency generators mounted on the backs, medical
personnel & supplies, water tankers, tents, etc.
If they had done this, then all this stuff wouldn't have to
start trickling in from all over the country several days
later... they could've had supplies & personnel there the day
after the storm subsided, and if they'd stage at some point
that's far enough away to be safe, but close enough to where it
cuts a day or two off the time that relief starts to arrive,
they could've been in any of those cities down there much faster.
I don't get why we don't do that, especially when they know
there's going to be SOME level of damage and that SOME people
are going to need help. It's not like this thing just came out
of nowhere & surprised everyone. Why isn't something like that
part of FEMA's planning?
Neil
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbclgobal.net> wrote:
>
>Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
>see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
>not that means he is taking any blame there are bound to be
>changes as there should be.
>
>Pete
>
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>I tend to agree on this point. The first thing that started really scaring
>>me was the fact that the governer of LA was near hysterics in a televised
>>news conference. That was Tuesday, and things have gotten much worse since
>>then. And the mayor of NO doesn't seem entirely competent to handle the
>>situation, either...to put it nicely...
>>
>>LA leadership is not up the task, never could have been. It's just so
>>obvious the whole place got caught with a uppercut it never bothered to
>take
>>seriously.
>>
>>It is unconscionable, however, how slow and lazy the Federal response has
>>been. The various leaders of various agencies, including our not-so-esteemed
>>boy king, have spent more time making excuses, it seems, than in making
>>things better.
>>
>>I am simply horrified with what is unfolding. The political repercussions
>>will be massive. I predict the head of FEMA will be jobless very soon.
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:43186e80$1@linux...
>>
>>> I'm with you.
>>>
>>> The president is not an inspiring leader at times of diaster, but this
>>> f*ckup has to be laid at the feet of the tradition of corruption and
>>> poor government in NO. They knew exactly what would happen
>>> to the levies, they knew exactly how deep the water would be and
>>> where it would go. Why was there not an effective emergency
>>> plan? Where was the local leadership? When NO needed a
>>> Giuliani they got a worthless whiner and no plan. Bush was slow,
>>> as he usually is. No excuses. But compared to the city and state
>>> bozos he is a paragon of virtue.
>>>
>>> DC
>>
>>
>Darn good point Neil. Th
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Fri, 02 September 2005 11:41 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
> >absolute
> >> >> >reliance
> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
negatively
> >> >> >effected
> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to
the
> >> >large
> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
diplomacy.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the
road.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that
we
> >> >must
> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
suppliers
> >to
> >> >> help
> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will
help
> >> >make
> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
> >completely
> >> >> >run
> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health
issues
> >> >and
> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
already
> >> >> >started.
> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
> >> >independence,
> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares
more
> >> >about
> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to be
done.
second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
kind.
third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty to
speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all the
talking and taking.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because of the
>*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and fight
>anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do is
>wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in gear and
>undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous crap
>while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
>
>It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
>> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
>> we did in vietnam.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle
>would
>> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
>> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
>> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight
>a
>> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
>> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
>> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
>> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
>> >> norm.
>> >>
>> >> :o(
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
>> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
>> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
>question
>> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
>> >that
>> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
>> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
>> >that
>> >> >looks reasonable to me.
>> >> >
>> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
>> >> >stereotype
>> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White
>> >House
>> >> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
>> >> >> >America's
>> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming,
>> >fails
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails
>to
>> >help
>> >> >> >consumers
>> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>> >construction
>> >> >> >activities
>> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per
>day
>> >in
>> >> >> >2014
>> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who
>are
>> >all
>> >> >> >showing
>> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway
>of
>> >all
>> >> >> >time.)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but
>my
>> >> >> >personal
>> >> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
>> >compensate
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
>> >> >> >concluded
>> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you
>> >$800
>> >> >> >million
>> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
>considerable
>> >> >> >holdings
>> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on
>> >the
>> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions
>levels.
>> >It
>> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it
>was
>> >> >bad
>> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only
>> >did
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
>> >> >similar
>> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family
>> >has
>> >> >> >future
>> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope
>of
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
>> >> >Glacier
>> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact
>that
>> >> >Cheney
>> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but
>he's
>> >> >from
>> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations
>ago
>> >just
>> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him
>> >before.
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to
>get
>> >to
>> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
>> >>
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Fri, 02 September 2005 12:46 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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; >Halliburton
>> >> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you
>> >would
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
>> >> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
>business,
>> >> >you
>> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
>> >> >(Public
>> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers.
>(Just
>> >a
>> >> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >;o)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
>> >absolute
>> >> >> >reliance
>> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
>negatively
>> >> >> >effected
>> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to
>the
>> >> >large
>> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
>diplomacy.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the
>road.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that
>we
>> >> >must
>> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
>suppliers
>> >to
>> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will
>help
>> >> >make
>> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
>> >completely
>> >> >> >run
>> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health
>issues
>> >> >and
>> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
>already
>> >> >> >started.
>> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
>> >> >independence,
>> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares
>more
>> >> >about
>> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person thinks
without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without knowing
someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth about
someone else without permission is gossip.
> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as fact.
But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance our
opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We all do
it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A faith
not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted as a
hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about the
distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief in a
God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it would
also be meaningless.
Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works is
dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than acting
under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a few
rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is between
the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer). Other
religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were another form
of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open for
variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is no
absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us there has
to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where do
those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
(lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn homosexuals as
fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow make it
"right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support and (in
effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is dangerous
for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's why it
enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone else".
It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted over
and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path by
making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to appeal
custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point - without
a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and another
isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and preference -
that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc, etc.
So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs are
Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are supposed to
allow non-Christians.
As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a decent
reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post quotes
and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play a
strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just as a
part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He does
put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
people to have a chance at true freedom.
> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know
> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President isn't
common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same leading
every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the risk to
our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for God's
glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but in a
way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an opposite
conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and mind,
we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
less believing your perception is accurate.
I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon, etc),
and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to lead
our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one on
this forum is any more perfect either.
The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach Him
through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through His
own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we as
Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than to
discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
Back to work, and best regards.
Dedric
in article 4318939f@linux, jp at no@mail.please wrote on 9/2/05 1:01 PM:
>
> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:BF3DC8FD.401F%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post script
>> is
>> yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB doesn't
>> see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
>> extrapolated hyperbole.
>
> Let me make one thing clear. Slander is creating false statements for the
> purpose of swaying ones opinion of a person or entity. I don't see how my
> quote...
>
> "I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up buy
> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>
> ...is false in any way shape or form, unless of course YOU actually know
> what I think better than I. This is my personal opinion, is stated as my
> personal opinion, and is backed by my own research. Quotes such as this:
>
> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know
> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>
> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed
> me to strike at Sadd
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Fri, 02 September 2005 15:33 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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t; >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern
slope
> >of
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside
of
> >> >> >Glacier
> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact
> >that
> >> >> >Cheney
> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney,
but
> >he's
> >> >> >from
> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations
> >ago
> >> >just
> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas
prices.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with
him
> >> >before.
> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing
to
> >get
> >> >to
> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
> >> >> >Halliburton
> >> >> >> >thing, right?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business
you
> >> >would
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its
energy
> >> >> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
> >business,
> >> >> >you
> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the
IRS.
> >> >> >(Public
> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers.
> >(Just
> >> >a
> >> >> >> >little perspective)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >;o)
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
> >> >absolute
> >> >> >> >reliance
> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
> >negatively
> >> >> >> >effected
> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us
to
> >the
> >> >> >large
> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
> >diplomacy.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the
> >road.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea
that
> >we
> >> >> >must
> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
> >suppliers
> >> >to
> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This
will
> >help
> >> >> >make
> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
> >> >completely
> >> >> >> >run
> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health
> >issues
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
> >already
> >> >> >> >started.
> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
> >> >> >independence,
> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually
cares
> >more
> >> >> >about
> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>Hi Dimitrios,
I've been watching this one too. so - doesn't work with XP? Doesn't work
internally
within the same machine? My hope is to run Nuendo and then bus groups or
channels to Paris for my favorite Paris 'punch'.
Cheers,
David.
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:43188742@linux...
> Dear Kim,
> There is only a specific version of Wormhole that works under Paris in
> synced mode.
> In order to have the inntanses synced you have to wrap wormhole with
console
> wrapper.
> I tried all wrappers, none else sends syncing information or at least
> syncing information that wormhole can grab.
> I manage to have around 8 instances of wormhole playing in sync.
> It is not a perfect world with Paris though.
> Under Me console does not save its environement but you can save from
within
> console and load so you can load it after Paris has been opened.
> I ahev once tried and played with vst instruments from within console with
> some success but was waiting for a console update to have MTC support not
> only midiclock.
> There are great possibilities but you need time for experiment.
> It is not the magic solution but someone can use paris one card system for
> realtime mixing device running his cubase program from another pc over
> lan...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43180ecc$1@linux...
> >
> >
> > Hmm, it's only $50US... I'm very tempted. ;o)
> >
> > What's the cost of this Console wrapper. Did a quick google. I take it
> this
> > is it at $54...
> >
> > http://www.kvraudio.com/get/267.html ?
> >
> > So it's $104US for the whole shebang. Not too shabby at all...
> >
> > I have been, in my mental peripheral vision, partly aware that you've
been
> > working on this. It does sound interesting. I don't mean to be a pain,
but
> > could you take us through exactly what you've acheived here? Why
Console?
> > Are you running VSTi's in Cubase on another box over the LAN interfacing
> > back to Paris? I read talk somewhere that Console can clock to MIDI...?
> >
> > What exactly are you able to do with this setup?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kim.
> >
> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >After some good tries I came up with a paris wormhole version.
> > >There is one specific version (which Adrian from wormhole has tailored
to
> > >our needs) that will work best with Paris.
> > >It works under Me and I can have at least 8 tracks of fully synced
audio
> > >tracks coming from second computer via lan.
> > >You have to use though console wrapper as it is the only yet that sends
> > >syncing information.
> > >I wanna know when I finally test this baby that he will get some
support
> > >from us.
> > >We have to buy some of us (I have already) ) to justify all his extra
> > >efforts he made for us.
> > >It is cheap anyway...
> > >Please respond with some positive interest in buying.
> > >Afterall you will get fuller versions with updates for other systems
that
> > >work great along with Paris version.
> > >Come on guys we don't expect people to work for us and have nothing for
> > >return...
> > >This way we may keep Paris alive for years (I hope) to come...
> > >Regards,
> > >Dimitrios
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbclgobal.net> wrote:
>
>Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
>see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
>not that means he is taking any blame there are bound to be
>changes as there should be.
>
Haven't you figured out yet that when people in The Bush administration screw
up they get promoted?BTW-I wonder where old Dick Cheney is.He's been real
visible during this crisis.
It was also a real good thing that Bush repealed the wetlands act
that Clinton had implimented. N.O. is surrounded by wetlands that
are being devloped and not preserved. I have heard that from a number of
friends there-sooo-This was bound to happen
BTW I can't blame Bush personally because there are lots of
people at fault here including the Govenor of La and many other people both
democrats and republicans but Bush was pretty
insensitive addressing this crisis just yesterday after doing
another iraq dog and Pony show the other day
As far as the religious rants here I stay out of that stuff.
JMtrue, cuz they felt the whatever right would never lie to them. hey,
everybody lies about everything if they see a big enough benefit for
themselves for whatever reason...and i gots 40 centuries of history on
my side for this statement.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:20 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started in 1991
>never ended.
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
>> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to be
>> done.
>> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
>> kind.
>> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty to
>> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
>> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all the
>> talking and taking.
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because of
>the
>> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and
>fight
>> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do is
>> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in gear
>and
>> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous
>crap
>> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
>> >
>> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
>> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
>> >> we did in vietnam.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle
>> >would
>> >> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly
>acknowledge
>> >> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious
>as
>> >> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't
>fight
>> >a
>> >> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
>> >> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>> >> >
>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>> >> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
>> >> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me."
>kinda
>> >> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
>> >> >> norm.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> :o(
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> <Report message to a moderator
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ause it reduced certain emissions
>> >levels.
>> >> >It
>> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out
>it
>> >was
>> >> >> >bad
>> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they
>only
>> >> >did
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but
>also
>> >> >> >similar
>> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney
>family
>> >> >has
>> >> >> >> >future
>> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern
>slope
>> >of
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside
>of
>> >> >> >Glacier
>> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact
>> >that
>> >> >> >Cheney
>> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney,
>but
>> >he's
>> >> >> >from
>> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations
>> >ago
>> >> >just
>> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas
>prices.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with
>him
>> >> >before.
>> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing
>to
>> >get
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
>> >> >> >Halliburton
>> >> >> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business
>you
>> >> >would
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its
>energy
>> >> >> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
>> >business,
>> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the
>IRS.
>> >> >> >(Public
>> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers.
>> >(Just
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >;o)
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
>> >> >absolute
>> >> >> >> >reliance
>> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
>> >negatively
>> >> >> >> >effected
>> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us
>to
>> >the
>> >> >> >large
>> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
>> >diplomacy.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the
>> >road.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea
>that
>> >we
>> >> >> >must
>> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
>> >suppliers
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This
>will
>> >help
>> >> >> >make
>> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
>> >> >completely
>> >> >> >> >run
>> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health
>> >issues
>> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
>> >already
>> >> >> >> >started.
>> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
>> >> >> >independence,
>> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually
>cares
>> >more
>> >> >> >about
>> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>"I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
except for those who are still being affected by it.
>mess,
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
<johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
>
>I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion about
>what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
>self-righteousness.
>
>This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly summarizes the
>radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
>
>I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head of
>FEMA, Micheal Brown.
>
>I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this horrible
>mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials are
>excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long time to
>come.
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>Hmmmm........I agree with the 40 centuries thing. As for the lying, maybe we
should look at who was doing the lying......like the UN, the French, Sadaam,
quite a few scumbags of various ilk here and in other countries, including
our own Oscar Wyatt of Coastal Energy and ol' whatsisname who never had
sexual relations with that woman........ depending on what the meaning of
"is" is, of course, his criminal buddy Mark Rich whom he pardoned and whose
wife is Hilary's good buddy.......and so on. If Mr. Bill would have been
minding the store, there wouldn't have been a Sadaam or any of this Iraq
crap now because he could have attended to it through the UN (theoretically)
before the was was so conveniently forgotten and Sadaam had a chance to
bribe his way out of the sanctions.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2onhh1dlam54a0u1i9t7g64rbcfjspl94m@4ax.com...
> true, cuz they felt the whatever right would never lie to them. hey,
> everybody lies about everything if they see a big enough benefit for
> themselves for whatever reason...and i gots 40 centuries of history on
> my side for this statement.
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:20 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started in
1991
> >never ended.
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
> >> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to be
> >> done.
> >> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
> >> kind.
> >> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty to
> >> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
> >> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all the
> >> talking and taking.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because
of
> >the
> >> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and
> >fight
> >> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do
is
> >> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in
gear
> >and
> >> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous
> >crap
> >> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
> >> >
> >> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
> >> >
> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
> >> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
> >> >> we did in vietnam.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The
middle
> >> >would
> >> >> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly
> >acknowledge
> >> >> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as
serious
> >as
> >> >> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't
> >fight
> >> >a
> >> >> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
> >> >> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see
and
> >> >> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me."
> >kinda
> >> >> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes
the
> >> >> >> norm.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> :o(
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I
am
> >> >> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every
anti-industry
> >> >> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
> >> >question
> >> >> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might
> >discover
> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the
> >least
> >> >> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the
> >middle
> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> >looks reasonable to me.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced
the
> >> >> >> >stereotype
> >> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new
> >White
> >> >> >House
> >> >> >> >> >sponsored
> >> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to
> >reduce
> >> >> >> >> >America's
> >> >>
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Fri, 02 September 2005 16:38 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
> >giveaway
> >> >of
> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> >time.)
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to
list
> >but
> >> >my
> >> >> >> >> >personal
> >> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
> >> >> >compensate
> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which
studies
> >have
> >> >> >> >> >concluded
> >> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will
give
> >you
> >> >> >$800
> >> >> >> >> >million
> >> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
> >> >considerable
> >> >> >> >> >holdings
> >> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby
*insisted*
> >on
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain
emissions
> >> >levels.
> >> >> >It
> >> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns
out
> >it
> >> >was
> >> >> >> >bad
> >> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when
they
> >only
> >> >> >did
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge,
but
> >also
> >> >> >> >similar
> >> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney
> >family
> >> >> >has
> >> >> >> >> >future
> >> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern
> >slope
> >> >of
> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right
outside
> >of
> >> >> >> >Glacier
> >> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The
fact
> >> >that
> >> >> >> >Cheney
> >> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney,
> >but
> >> >he's
> >> >> >> >from
> >> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four
generations
> >> >ago
> >> >> >just
> >> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas
> >prices.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with
> >him
> >> >> >before.
> >> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good
thing
> >to
> >> >get
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its
the
> >> >> >> >Halliburton
> >> >> >> >> >thing, right?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business
> >you
> >> >> >would
> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its
> >energy
> >> >> >> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
> >> >business,
> >> >> >> >you
> >> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from
the
> >IRS.
> >> >> >> >(Public
> >> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax
loophole.)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree
huggers.
> >> >(Just
> >> >> >a
> >> >> >> >> >little perspective)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >;o)
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is
our
> >> >> >absolute
> >> >> >> >> >reliance
> >> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
> >> >negatively
> >> >> >> >> >effected
> >> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves
us
> >to
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >large
> >> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
> >> >diplomacy.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in
the
> >> >road.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the
idea
> >that
> >> >we
> >> >> >> >must
> >> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
> >> >suppliers
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This
> >will
> >> >help
> >> >> >> >make
> >> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before
we
> >> >> >completely
> >> >> >> >> >run
> >> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous
health
> >> >issues
> >> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
> >> >already
> >> >> >> >> >started.
> >> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and
energy
> >> >> >> >independence,
> >> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us
now.
> >> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually
> >cares
> >> >more
> >> >> >> >about
> >> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I am not moving my drives WHILE they are running.
>John
Hehe, no I expect not. Neither was I though when my drive went the time I
moved house. I just think drives prefer not to be moved if they can help
it. Mind you it probably wont kill them, but personally I'd rather avoid
the probably...
Cheers,
Kim.I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know. How
effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to have
it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think anyone
knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have been
local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late. He
should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty obvious
that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened anyway.
If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad and
if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be too
little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push from
local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the local
political machine.
What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
> "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
> or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
> and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
> except for those who are still being affected by it.
>
>
> >mess,
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
> >
> >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
about
> >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
> >self-righteousness.
> >
> >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly summarizes
the
> >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
> >
> >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head of
> >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
> >
> >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
horrible
> >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
are
> >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long time
to
> >come.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
>He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
DC"Russ" <riverbed@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>How do u do a prefetch bat???
The batch file is just a text file with that line in it. Simply open notepad,
and type in the first line:
del C:\Windows\Prefetch\*.* /q
....obviously modify your path if Windows is installed on a different drive
or directory.
Then Save As "Prefetch.bat" and put it in your windows Startup folder, which
from memory can be done by saving it at the location (by default) C:\Documents
and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup... or something like
that.
Then you're done.
Oh, and make sure that Windows hasn't in it's wisdom saved it as Prefetch.bat.txt,
which will render it inoperative. The name doesn't matter, but the suffix
has to be .bat or it wont work. You'll soon know, because if it's got txt
at the end, when you reboot it will open the next file and you'll see it
in notepad or something.
Cheers,
Kim.I am not convinced that it's entirely FEMA's fault, or anybody else's.
I do think, however, that heads are going to roll at the Federal level.
That's how this sort of thing works. Somebody always takes the fall. And it
usually ain't the true higher-ups; usually, it's the agency heads.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4318e69e$1@linux...
> I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know. How
> effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to
have
> it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think
anyone
> knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
> this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have been
> local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
> the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late.
He
> should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
> community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty
obvious
> that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
> they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened
anyway.
> If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad
and
> if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be too
> little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push from
> local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
> The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the
local
> political machine.
>
> What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
> was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
>
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
> > "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> > horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
> > or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
> > and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
> > except for those who are still being affected by it.
> >
> >
> > >mess,
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
> > <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
> > >
> > >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
> about
> > >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
> > >self-righteousness.
> > >
> > >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly
summarizes
> the
> > >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
> > >
> > >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head
of
> > >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
> > >
> > >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> horrible
> > >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
> are
> > >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long
time
> to
> > >come.
> > >
> > >Jimmy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using the word
*looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I was
starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't consumables
might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like this. It's
becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball. She had
6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in NO to tell
hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal troops from
Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late, comm
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Fri, 02 September 2005 18:30 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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t; >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>> >> >> >construction
>> >> >> >> >> >activities
>> >> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of
>oil
>> >per
>> >> >day
>> >> >> >in
>> >> >> >> >> >2014
>> >> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry.
>(Who
>> >> >are
>> >> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >> >showing
>> >> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
>> >giveaway
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >> >time.)
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to
>list
>> >but
>> >> >my
>> >> >> >> >> >personal
>> >> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
>> >> >> >compensate
>> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which
>studies
>> >have
>> >> >> >> >> >concluded
>> >> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will
>give
>> >you
>> >> >> >$800
>> >> >> >> >> >million
>> >> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
>> >> >considerable
>> >> >> >> >> >holdings
>> >> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby
>*insisted*
>> >on
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain
>emissions
>> >> >levels.
>> >> >> >It
>> >> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns
>out
>> >it
>> >> >was
>> >> >> >> >bad
>> >> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when
>they
>> >only
>> >> >> >did
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge,
>but
>> >also
>> >> >> >> >similar
>> >> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney
>> >family
>> >> >> >has
>> >> >> >> >> >future
>> >> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern
>> >slope
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right
>outside
>> >of
>> >> >> >> >Glacier
>> >> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The
>fact
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >> >Cheney
>> >> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney,
>> >but
>> >> >he's
>> >> >> >> >from
>> >> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four
>generations
>> >> >ago
>> >> >> >just
>> >> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas
>> >prices.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with
>> >him
>> >> >> >before.
>> >> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good
>thing
>> >to
>> >> >get
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its
>the
>> >> >> >> >Halliburton
>> >> >> >> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business
>> >you
>> >> >> >would
>> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its
>> >energy
>> >> >> >> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
>> >> >business,
>> >> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from
>the
>> >IRS.
>> >> >> >> >(Public
>> >> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax
>loophole.)
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree
>huggers.
>> >> >(Just
>> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >;o)
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is
>our
>> >> >> >absolute
>> >> >> >> >> >reliance
>> >> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
>> >> >negatively
>> >> >> >> >> >effected
>> >> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves
>us
>> >to
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >large
>> >> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
>> >> >diplomacy.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in
>the
>> >> >road.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the
>idea
>> >that
>> >> >we
>> >> >> >> >must
>> >> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
>> >> >suppliers
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This
>> >will
>> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >make
>> >> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before
>we
>> >> >> >completely
>> >> >> >> >> >run
>> >> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous
>health
>> >> >issues
>> >> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
>> >> >already
>> >> >> >> >> >started.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and
>energy
>> >> >> >> >independence,
>> >> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us
>now.
>> >> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually
>> >cares
>> >> >more
>> >> >> >> >about
>> >> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>i did not watch whatever it was you were posting as i've [pretty much
seen all that has been offered on reg. tv. my position is that if
it's food or truely survival stuff, whoever gets a pass. if it's
sporting gear, tv's, etc...shoot the mf's. it's time that the excuses
end. and this comes from someone who thinks bush IS the ultimate ASS.
pipe+smoke=some response from...someone.
On 3 Sep 2005 10:15:50 +1000, "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote:
>
>He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
>
> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
>
>DC> cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
> with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and
I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mpthh117jih0c52lef765p58q9l8g9vjcr@4ax.com...
> here my friend, i really have to disagree with you. this is not like
> this is the first time something like this has happened. i'm not
> going to blame it on race, i'm not going to blame it on politics, but
> i will blame it on economic opportunities which by the by is no
> stranger to the great american tragedy...err...bed partnership. as
> soon as price gouging was raised by our state govt., the cost of gas
> dropped by 30 cents per gal. ...gosh...what a surprise since we get
> our fuel from................................not nawlins. yesterday
> there were reports of shortages and today...well...there ain't.
>
> cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
> with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and a
> lot of times they're wrong; unless you've got the bucks to prove
> otherwise...you're fucked. the town i live in is controlled by a
> people from a wealthier community 10 miles away: don't think that all
> that's done here isn't for their benefit....while they live here. we
> get a "way below average for the state stay" here cuz people move in
> and vote for everything then leave. why, cuz it's cheaper to do it
> here for the couple of years than to do it where they came from. our
> millage rate is amongst the highest in the nation; being 114 Yrs. old
> (between us) with no kids we get taxed the same as all the
> rabbits...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF that.
>
> i so swear by all that is holy that i so do OT PUSH SHEEP through
> fences...unless of course it's absolutely necessary.
>
> please take the humor along with the seriousness of my words as not an
> personal attack, as i mean every bodies voice is welcome in my world.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know.
How
> >effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to
have
> >it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think
anyone
> >knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
> >this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have
been
> >local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
> >the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late.
He
> >should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
> >community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty
obvious
> >that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
> >they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened
anyway.
> >If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad
and
> >if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be
too
> >little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push
from
> >local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
> >The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the
local
> >political machine.
> >
> >What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
> >was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
> >> "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> >> horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
> >> or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
> >> and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
> >> except for those who are still being affected by it.
> >>
> >>
> >> >mess,
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
> >> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
> >> >
> >> >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
> >about
> >> >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
> >> >self-righteousness.
> >> >
> >> >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly
summarizes
> >the
> >> >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few
days.
> >> >
> >> >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head
of
> >> >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
> >> >
> >> >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> >horrible
> >> >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
> >are
> >> >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long
time
> >to
> >> >come.
> >> >
> >> >Jimmy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>Hi there..I just installed UAD -1 Project Pack card...with FXPansion VST
Wrapper...it is TOTALLY delaying the track when I enable the plug-in...The
included "Track Delay" plug doesn't seem to do much...What can be done to
make it usable?Please help....I'm using Win XP,the CPU meter is around
25%....1 Gig of RAMYou didn't mention race, Deej. But lots of folks are mentioning it.
I've watched hundreds of hours of TV footage in the last 6 days, and very,
very few of those hardest hit are white. There are plenty of white folk who
are completely devastated in MS and beyond, but it's mostly black folk who
were trapped in NO, with no cars and no money and no buses to take them out,
no water and no food and no place to lay the dead and dying.
I watched David Brookes and Tom Oliphant and Clarence Page at a round table
discussion tonight, all of them horrified at the almost total failure of
government to take care of so many citizens. The consensus was that this is
a major turning point in all our lives, not just because of the suffering
and pain, but because of the collective recoil in horror that we will see in
the coming days, the renewed interest in how to further promote and
encourage equality.
Ultimately, it's a class thing. We all know that. As soon as enough poor
white and poor black people in America figure out that they have more in
common than not, things are gonna change. This just might be the time for
that, I don't know, but I know there's a fast-growing perception on both
sides of the political isle, as we speak, that poor people are suffering out
of proportion, that we have, as a nation, been neglecting our duties as
citizens, that government at every level, city/state/federal, has failed
these people.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43190186@linux...
> I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?"jason miles" <jmiles45@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbclgobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
>>see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
>>not
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> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the
new
> >> >White
> >> >> >> >House
> >> >> >> >> >> >sponsored
> >> >> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails
to
> >> >reduce
> >> >> >> >> >> >America's
> >> >> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
> >> >warming,
> >> >> >> >fails
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy,
and
> >> >fails
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >help
> >> >> >> >> >> >consumers
> >> >> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
> >> >> >> >construction
> >> >> >> >> >> >activities
> >> >> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of
> >oil
> >> >per
> >> >> >day
> >> >> >> >in
> >> >> >> >> >> >2014
> >> >> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil
industry.
> >(Who
> >> >> >are
> >> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> >> >showing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
> >> >giveaway
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> >> >time.)
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to
> >list
> >> >but
> >> >> >my
> >> >> >> >> >> >personal
> >> >> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana
to
> >> >> >> >compensate
> >> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which
> >studies
> >> >have
> >> >> >> >> >> >concluded
> >> >> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will
> >give
> >> >you
> >> >> >> >$800
> >> >> >> >> >> >million
> >> >> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
> >> >> >considerable
> >> >> >> >> >> >holdings
> >> >> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby
> >*insisted*
> >> >on
> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain
> >emissions
> >> >> >levels.
> >> >> >> >It
> >> >> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated.
Turns
> >out
> >> >it
> >> >> >was
> >> >> >> >> >bad
> >> >> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when
> >they
> >> >only
> >> >> >> >did
> >> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge,
> >but
> >> >also
> >> >> >> >> >similar
> >> >> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the
Chaney
> >> >family
> >> >> >> >has
> >> >> >> >> >> >future
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the
eastern
> >> >slope
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right
> >outside
> >> >of
> >> >> >> >> >Glacier
> >> >> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it.
The
> >fact
> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> >> >Cheney
> >> >> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro
Cheyney,
> >> >but
> >> >> >he's
> >> >> >> >> >from
> >> >> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four
> >generations
> >> >> >ago
> >> >> >> >just
> >> >> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural
gas
> >> >prices.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked
with
> >> >him
> >> >> >> >before.
> >> >> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good
> >thing
> >> >to
> >> >> >get
> >> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its
> >the
> >> >> >> >> >Halliburton
> >> >> >> >> >> >thing, right?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a
business
> >> >you
> >> >> >> >would
> >> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of
its
> >> >energy
> >> >> >> >> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned
a
> >> >> >business,
> >> >> >> >> >you
> >> >> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from
> >the
> >> >IRS.
> >> >> >> >> >(Public
> >> >> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax
> >loophole.)
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree
> >huggers.
> >> >> >(Just
> >> >> >> >a
> >> >> >> >> >> >little perspective)
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >;o)
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability
is
> >our
> >> >> >> >absolute
> >> >> >> >> >> >reliance
> >> >> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources
are
> >> >> >negatively
> >> >> >> >> >> >effected
> >> >> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially
enslaves
> >us
> >> >to
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >large
> >> >> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for
Big-Stick
> >> >> >diplomacy.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in
> >the
> >> >> >road.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the
> >idea
> >> >that
> >> >> >we
> >> >> >> >> >must
> >> >> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
> >> >> >suppliers
> >> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working.
This
> >> >will
> >> >> >help
> >> >> >> >> >make
> >> >> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time
before
> >we
> >> >> >> >completely
> >> >> >> >> >> >run
> >> >> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous
> >health
> >> >> >issues
> >> >> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of
this
> >> >> >already
> >> >> >> >> >> >started.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and
> >energy
> >> >> >> >> >independence,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help
us
> >now.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that
actually
> >> >cares
> >> >> >more
> >> >> >> >> >about
> >> >> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>............errrrrr............well...........anyone used one? I know it's
been around for a while and I've been reading the literature on this. It
looks like a really nice way to enhance LF elements within a mix while
keeping them isolated in the sound stage. Could also be a big asset to
mixing tracks that that were recorded in the same space with lots of mic
bleed witthout having to EQ the life out fo certain tracks.....maybe?We are in a war. It is part of the job of the national guard to fight in
wars. There were plenty of troops available here, but the feds can't just
send the army into a state without the governor requesting it, just as she
would call up the national guard. It's just a different request line and one
she should have known about if she was doing her job.
I don't think *anyone* bears all the blame though. It's like everyone was in
denial that this could happen..........so who is responsible for the Cat 3
levees?
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:43191d0b@linux...
> Its still just pointing fingers though... I dont know enough of the actual
> specifics to do much more than repeat someone elses finger pointing.
>
> I dont care who's fault it is. However, it's obvious that our national
> guard is in Iraq not in the US where they should be.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:431919e5$1@linux...
> > And that's precisely why it's the governors fault. Thgere were troops
> > available to help. She didn't have it together enough to know how to
> > utilize
> > the resources available to her.......next door in Texas.
> >
> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> > news:43191065@linux...
> >> everyones got a finger to point, eh?
> >>
> >> yeah its the governors fault 80% of the countries national guard and
> >> helicopters are in Iraq.
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4318f10d@linux...
> >> >I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using
the
> >> >word
> >> > *looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I
> >> > was
> >> > starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't
consumables
> >> > might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like
this.
> >> > It's
> >> > becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball.
She
> > had
> >> > 6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in NO
to
> >> > tell
> >> > hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal
troops
> >> > from
> >> > Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late,
> >> > communications
> >> > were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news reports
> >> > started
> >> > hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas
units
> >> > are
> >> > the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the day
> > the
> >> > levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all
the
> >> > confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to her
> >> > seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what political
> >> > party
> >> > she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and ugly
> > and
> >> > then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away while
the
> >> > interest groups try to cover their asses.
> >> >
> >> > "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
> >> >>
> >> >>
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
> >> >>
> >> >> DC
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>The irony is inescapable is it not? New Orleans police and prison officials
release inmates days ago - they simply walk out to never be seen again while
this young guy grabs a bus load of complete strangers and gets cuffed in
Houston for taking them all to safety.
"Welcome to Houston folks, this is officer Cuffer, he'll determine whether
or not you saved your ass from a K5 without breaking any Houston laws...
after that, we'll let the 8-day old infants's mother eat so she can produce
milk for that starving 8-day old baby."
Dubya
"DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
>
> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
>
> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
>
> DC
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4319204e$1@linux...
> We are in a war. It is part of the job of the national guard to fight in
> wars. There were plenty of troops available here, but the feds can't just
> send the army into a state without the governor requesting it, just as she
> would call up the national guard. It's just a different request line and
> one
> she should have known about if she was doing her job.
Yeah a fake "war". The feds wouldn't have to send their troops if there
were more national guard around...
My only point I guess is that the fingerpointing back and forth at the
governor vs. the feds is completely rediculous.
> I don't think *anyone* bears all the blame though. It's like everyone was
> in
> denial that this could happen..........so who is responsible for the Cat 3
> levees?
I dunno... Bush?
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> news:43191d0b@linux...
>> Its still just pointing fingers though... I dont know enough of the
>> actual
>> specifics to do much more than repeat someone elses finger pointing.
>>
>> I dont care who's fault it is. However, it's obvious that our national
>> guard is in Iraq not in the US where they should be.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:431919e5$1@linux...
>> > And that's precisely why it's the governors fault. Thgere were troops
>> > available to help. She didn't have it together enough to know how to
>> > utilize
>> > the resources available to her.......next door in Texas.
>> >
>> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>> > news:43191065@linux...
>> >> everyones got a finger to point, eh?
>> >>
>> >> yeah its the governors fault 80% of the countries national guard and
>> >> helicopters are in Iraq.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4318f10d@linux...
>> >> >I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using
> the
>> >> >word
>> >> > *looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I
>> >> > was
>> >> > starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't
> consumables
>> >> > might be bartered for life sustaining things i
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> > http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> DC
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>I wasn't accusing you, or anyone here of that of that. I realize that you
were just picking up on third party info/vibe/nuance/spin/slant or whatever.
I've done the same thing mayelf.
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4319288d$1@linux...
> Don't mis-interpret me. That ain't appropriate.
>
> I ain't preachin' racist hatred. That ain't what I said.
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43191c53$1@linux...
> > I suppose so. Funny though, when I think of NO, I don't think of race.
> It's
> > the one place I've lived where it is less an issue with the populace
than
> I
> > guess anywhere else I know of in the US. It was one of my favorite
places
> > for just this reason. .......lots of acceptance of cultural differences
> > without a lot of ugliness. I guess that networks who don't know the
town
> > could see a lot of misbehaviour, and automatically start the slanting
> > (purposely or not) coverage just because so many African Americans live
> > there.........but they are the majority of the population and I assure
you
> > there are many thousands who are not in the criminal element and are
being
> > victimized by those who are, no matter what their race. If this was
> > happening in Branson MO and there were lots of white folks starving and
> > freezing their asses off in a blizzard, I guarantee you they would be
> > breaking into Wal Mart and covering their asses too.
> >
>
>
>it costs $100 to fill the tank.
how long?"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>so who is responsible for the Cat 3
>> levees?
>
>I dunno... Bush?
Typical response from the lefties... you fuckers need to grow up.
Bush, believe it or not, is not repsonsible for every bad thing
that happens.
NeilIf the fingerpointing is so ridiculous, then why are you doing it? Or are
you saying it's only ridiculous when other people do it but quite different
thing when you do it?
Dubya
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrot
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t;
>> >> >> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just
>reinforced
>> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >stereotype
>> >> >> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the
>new
>> >> >White
>> >> >> >> >House
>> >> >> >> >> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails
>to
>> >> >reduce
>> >> >> >> >> >> >America's
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
>> >> >warming,
>> >> >> >> >fails
>> >> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy,
>and
>> >> >fails
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >> >> >consumers
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>> >> >> >> >construction
>> >> >> >> >> >> >activities
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of
>> >oil
>> >> >per
>> >> >> >day
>> >> >> >> >in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >2014
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil
>industry.
>> >(Who
>> >> >> >are
>> >> >> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >> >> >showing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
>> >> >giveaway
>> >> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >> >> >time.)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to
>> >list
>> >> >but
>> >> >> >my
>> >> >> >> >> >> >personal
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana
>to
>> >> >> >> >compensate
>> >> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which
>> >studies
>> >> >have
>> >> >> >> >> >> >concluded
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will
>> >give
>> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >$800
>> >> >> >> >> >> >million
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
>> >> >> >considerable
>> >> >> >> >> >> >holdings
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby
>> >*insisted*
>> >> >on
>> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain
>> >emissions
>> >> >> >levels.
>> >> >> >> >It
>> >> >> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated.
>Turns
>> >out
>> >> >it
>> >> >> >was
>> >> >> >> >> >bad
>> >> >> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when
>> >they
>> >> >only
>> >> >> >> >did
>> >> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge,
>> >but
>> >> >also
>> >> >> >> >> >similar
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the
>Chaney
>> >> >family
>> >> >> >> >has
>> >> >> >> >> >> >future
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the
>eastern
>> >> >slope
>> >> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right
>> >outside
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >> >Glacier
>> >> >> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it.
>The
>> >fact
>> >> >> >that
>> >> >> >> >> >Cheney
>> >> >> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro
>Cheyney,
>> >> >but
>> >> >> >he's
>> >> >> >> >> >from
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four
>> >generations
>> >> >> >ago
>> >> >> >> >just
>> >> >> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural
>gas
>> >> >prices.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked
>with
>> >> >him
>> >> >> >> >before.
>> >> >> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good
>> >thing
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >get
>> >> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its
>
>> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >Halliburton
>> >> >> >> >> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a
>business
>> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >would
>> >> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of
>its
>> >> >energy
>> >> >> >> >> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned
>a
>> >> >> >business,
>> >> >> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from
>> >the
>> >> >IRS.
>> >> >> >> >> >(Public
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax
>> >loophole.)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree
>> >huggers.
>> >> >> >(Just
>> >> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >;o)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability
>is
>> >our
>> >> >> >> >absolute
>> >> >> >> >> >> >reliance
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources
>are
>> >> >> >negatively
>> >> >> >> >> >> >effected
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially
>enslaves
>> >us
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >large
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for
>Big-Stick
>> >> >> >diplomacy.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in
>> >the
>> >> >> >road.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the
>> >idea
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >we
>> >> >> >> >> >must
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
>> >> >> >suppliers
>> >> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working.
>This
>> >> >will
>> >> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >> >make
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time
>before
>> >we
>> >> >> >> >completely
>> >> >> >> >> >> >run
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous
>> >health
>> >> >> >issues
>> >> >> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of
>this
>> >> >> >already
>> >> >> >> >> >> >started.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and
>> >energy
>> >> >> >> >> >independence,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help
>us
>> >now.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that
>actually
>> >> >cares
>> >> >> >more
>> >> >> >> >> >about
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>for my 14 gal tank when it hits 7 bucks. but, they just dropped it
..40 a gallon here yesterday so i don't know.
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:14:35 -0400, "justcron"
<justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>it costs $100 to fill the tank.
>
>how long?
>ignorance is bliss and i'm one happy mfer.
On 3 Sep 2005 11:11:43 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>whatever heads will roll will be of the lower echelons variety.
>>always has and always will. crap i hope i spelt the e word correctly.
>
>The irony, of course, is that you indeed spelled "echelons"
>correctly, but missed "the" by a mile.
>
>:)the race issue was not directed towards you or anyone for that matter.
t'was just a base cover as to things that have been brought up
elsewhere.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:54:23 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
>> with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and
>
>I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:mpthh117jih0c52lef765p58q9l8g9vjcr@4ax.com...
>> here my friend, i really have to disagree with you. this is not like
>> this is the first time something like this has happened. i'm not
>> going to blame it on race, i'm not going to blame it on politics, but
>> i will blame it on economic opportunities which by the by is no
>> stranger to the great american tragedy...err...bed partnership. as
>> soon as price gouging was raised by our state govt., the cost of gas
>> dropped by 30 cents per gal. ...gosh...what a surprise since we get
>> our fuel from................................not nawlins. yesterday
>> there were reports of shortages and today...well...there ain't.
>>
>> cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
>> with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and a
>> lot of times they're wrong; unless you've got the bucks to prove
>> otherwise...you're fucked. the town i live in is controlled by a
>> people from a wealthier community 10 miles away: don't think that all
>> that's done here isn't for their benefit....while they live here. we
>> get a "way below average for the state stay" here cuz people move in
>> and vote for everything then leave. why, cuz it's cheaper to do it
>> here for the couple of years than to do it where they came from. our
>> millage rate is amongst the highest in the nation; being 114 Yrs. old
>> (between us) with no kids we get taxed the same as all the
>> rabbits...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF that.
>>
>> i so swear by all that is holy that i so do OT PUSH SHEEP through
>> fences...unless of course it's absolutely necessary.
>>
>> please take the humor along with the seriousness of my words as not an
>> personal attack, as i mean every bodies voice is welcome in my world.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know.
>How
>> >effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to
>have
>> >it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think
>anyone
>> >knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
>> >this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have
>been
>> >local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
>> >the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late.
>He
>> >should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
>> >community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty
>obvious
>> >that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
>> >they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened
>anyway.
>> >If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad
>and
>> >if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be
>too
>> >little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push
>from
>> >local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
>> >The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the
>local
>> >political machine.
>> >
>> >What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
>> >was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
>> >
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
>> >> "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
>> >> horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
>> >> or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
>> >> and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
>> >> except for those who are still being affected by it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >mess,
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
>> >> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
>> >> >
>> >> >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
>> >about
>> >> >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
>> >> >self-righteousness.
>> >> >
>> >> >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly
>summarizes
>> >the
>> >> >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few
>days.
>> >> >
>> >> >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head
>of
>> >> >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
>> >horrible
>> >> >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
>> >are
>> >> >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long
>time
>> >to
>> >> >come.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jimmy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>I have a couple of good friends who are on different sides of the fence
politically, socially, religiously, etc., yet they love working together.
The conservative one drives a Ford Expedition, which they have collectively
nicknamed, "The Republican." I'm pretty sure it's getting pretty close to
that GPM designation.
CL
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:43193455$1@linux...
> Already done it. $113. I drive a great big ozone killing gas loving
> big-ass truck. Goes through gas like there's no tomorrow... in fact, me
and
> my ol' truck and GW are working on makin' sure there ain't no tomorrow.
> Presently, I don't get MPG - I get GPM... the lower the better I aalways
> say. Sometimes I just fire it up and let it run just to see if I can
> hogcall up one of them there K5's or F7. Had my gas cap autographed this
> week by GW, several big TX oil tycoons - hope to get a few more on the
left
> front fender and right on the tank...
>
> Anybody got a light?
> Dubya
>
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> news:43193141@linux...
> > it costs $100 to fill the tank.
> >
> > how long?
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the campaign, the part after marching in. We would have more
>> carefully judged priorities regarding Iraq and Afghanistan. And we would
>> have captured Bin Laden by now.
>
> I don't know about capturing Bin Ladin by now. That would require denying
> him sanctuary. We can't control that factor. We pretty much agree on the
> other factors.
>>
>> I don't see that the officials you are putting your faith in are
>> completely living up to your expectations, at least in some of these
>> areas. Granted they have had some successes.
>
> Putting my faith in them as compared to what? The alternative of doing
> nothing at all? I can only imagine what would have happened if Gore would
> have been at the helm when 911 happened and we were out there kissing the
> UN's ass begging for help while AQ Kahn continued to peddle his nukes to
> every taker and Sadaam continued to grow stronger with the help of France
> ,
> etc. while our economy continued the nosedive it had taken at the end of
> Clinton's term.
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing something, but speculating about what the alternative
>> leadership might have done is less convincing that seeing what the
>> current leadership has not done.
>
> Speculation based on observation of previous modes of behaviour is often
> scientifically valid.
>
>>
>> Another area where we need better leadership is on energy policy. What
>> we got from our current leadership seems short sighted
>
> ............but again, what specific alternatives were presented? None.
> Just
> general mumbling about *intent* which never once took into account how the
> existing energy infrastructure would be handled and supported. This
> infrastructure works, and it works because the people in it are well paid
> and non-union. This includes the expertise of the engineers employed by
> companies like Halliburton and Schlumberger who are probably the only
> engineering technicians who are willing and have the technical expertise
> to
> go into a war zone and rebuild the economic infrastructure. You run
> companies like this out of business if there is nothing for them to do.
> Then
> they aren't there when you need them. By not specifically addressing the
> domestic energy issues, the Democrats basically inferred, by default, that
> keeping the existing domestic energy industry healthy would be less than a
> priority. Lots of folks, and not just the ones in the energy industry,
> knew
> that this would be a disaster and they voted *against* the Democrats.
Why are you blaming the Democrats for abuses by Republicans with complete
control over the Executive, Legislative, and often the Judicial branches of
government?
The Democrats know their efforts are futile at best.... it creates a
political challenge where the opposition doesn't know whether to dissent or
support for purely political reasons what the Republicans are doing.
I still dont think blaming a lacking opposition for the criminal behavior by
the incumbents is entirely fair.Which is exactly what Clinton did........ignore the UN because it didn't
suit his needs, which should have been protecting the interest of this
country, but wasn't.........and you need to learn how to spell *shit*.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:4319b521@linux...
> Umm yeah.... leverage UN sanctions when it suits need, and ignore the UN
> when not.
>
> What a crock of shite. Transparent as vodka.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4319afdf$1@linux...
> > The sanctions were just getting started when Clinton was elected. Making
> > sure they were enforced was the job of the UN. Making sure the UN
enforced
> > them should have been Clinton's job. He didn't do his job. Bush did not
> > leave him with a problem. Sadaam did. Blows your theory that the war in
> > Iraq
> > was Bush's fault right out of the water.
> >
> >
> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> > news:431946eb@linux...
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:43192fdf$1@linux...
> >> > That's what is so disturbing about the left.
> >>
> >> OK, you just wasted your first sentence.
> >>
> >> > This war started in 1991 with
> >> > Sadaam's invasion of Kuwait. There was nothing fake about it. Just
> > because
> >> > Clinton and the UN didnt choose to call Sadaam on his violations of
UN
> >> > sanctions didn't mean that somehow they weren't valid. They war never
> >> > stopped. Some folks just found it convenient to forget about it.
> >>
> >> what a crock of shite Deej. Bush 1 left a huge mess for Clinton to
> >> pick
> >> up, who never solved it just sat on it for years. Bush 2 comes in and
> > all
> >> of a sudden Saddam is a threat to the US ag
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et="_blank">animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4319bd73@linux...
> Which is exactly what Clinton did........ignore the UN because it didn't
> suit his needs, which should have been protecting the interest of this
> country, but wasn't.........and you need to learn how to spell *shit*.
LOL"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:43193455$1@linux...
> Already done it. $113. I drive a great big ozone killing gas loving
> big-ass truck. Goes through gas like there's no tomorrow... in fact, me
> and my ol' truck and GW are working on makin' sure there ain't no
> tomorrow. Presently, I don't get MPG - I get GPM... the lower the better I
> aalways say. Sometimes I just fire it up and let it run just to see if I
> can hogcall up one of them there K5's or F7. Had my gas cap autographed
> this week by GW, several big TX oil tycoons - hope to get a few more on
> the left front fender and right on the tank...
That just confirms how much of a dickhead you are, Dumbya."Expecting Armageddon" and Christian organizations don't define
Christianity. Armageddon is predicted in the Bible, but no one knows, or
will know when it will happen until it does. I'm not really hoping to
witness it myself, but also don't have reason to fear it if I do.
Some people do believe we are in the last days, and perhaps we are, but that
may simply depend on your perspective. Those days could be numbered in the
single digits (tomorrow) or millions (e.g. thousands of years, or more). I
believe science is mostly right in that the earth has been around for
millions of years (quantifying those years may be inaccurate), and it could
be millions more. The Bible says that to God, a day is as a thousand years
- that could be a reference for people that didn't understand a million, or
it could just be a simple "for example" and have absolutely no time value
whatsoever - time isn't relevant to God anyway. (I think God has a good
laugh when we worry about such things).
That doesn't change the way I live my life or my faith - it is the same
either way, or at least it should be (emphasis on "should" more than "is").
Yes it is quite possible the US is playing a role in setting up the end of
days - every country may be, or perhaps every country is irrelevant, as
God's plan is going to happen anyway. We do have free will to make our own
choices, for better or worse, but it's still temporary.
God's will? That is simply for us to have a loving relationship with Him -
at least that's the only part we can be absolutely sure of. Everything else
either serves that one single purpose, in one way or another, or just is
what it is. Perhaps that's all He wanted with Iraq - to give more of His
people (i.e. all people) a chance to come back to Him.
Regards,
Dedric
On 9/3/05 12:37 AM, in article 431944c2@linux, "justcron"
<justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
> thats what I said about the fruits...
>
> Expecting Armageddon has been a part of the "Christian Coalition" at least
> since I had the enlightening experience of working on the Pat Robertson 88
> campaign, so I dont think the original point was too far off.
>
> Does Bush have a role to play? Yes. Like Pharoah did back in Moses time.
> Part of God's plan, but not necessarily serving his will.
>
> I dont know, these are just my thoughts.
>
> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:BF3E9D34.407E%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> True, but there are easy ways to distinguish those - Jesus addressed both
>> of
>> those camps directly several times.
>>
>> On 9/2/05 11:59 PM, in article 43193bd5@linux, "justcron"
>> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>
>>> Plenty of people *think* they're doing Gods will... from the Pharasees to
>>> suicide bombers.
>>> <
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