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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102379 is a reply to message #102376] |
Thu, 05 February 2009 13:01   |
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Hi Rob. Watch this thread, I'll post a link to the tutorial files as soon as
I have a chance to load them to the server. I'm in the middle of some forum
business but I'll get to it as soon as I finish.
- K
On 2/5/09 11:49 AM, in article 498b34b9$1@linux, "Rob Russell"
<russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
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> I have finally set up my PARIS workstation in my home studio
> without the original PARIS installation CD. I can record but don't have a
> clue about anything else. I have the introduction and reference manuals but
> don't have the tutorial files. I have alot of questions that will probably
> be answered in the tutorial if I can find the files...Can anyone help me
> here?
> Thanks
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102381 is a reply to message #102376] |
Thu, 05 February 2009 16:24 |
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I've been using Paris for 8 years now and,while I have run the "tutorial",
I don't think I learned anything from it.
Gantt
"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
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>I have finally set up my PARIS workstation in my home studio
>without the original PARIS installation CD. I can record but don't have
a
>clue about anything else. I have the introduction and reference manuals
but
>don't have the tutorial files. I have alot of questions that will probably
>be answered in the tutorial if I can find the files...Can anyone help me
>here?
>Thanks
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102384 is a reply to message #102383] |
Thu, 05 February 2009 16:37 |
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My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS a
bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a headscratcher.
PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
- K
On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
<russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
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> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend online
> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the system.
> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I am
> looking
> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
> tutorial
> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic questions.
> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how to
> organize
> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting frustrated
> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out how to
> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done that
> with other software.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102387 is a reply to message #102384] |
Thu, 05 February 2009 17:31 |
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Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely have
to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who have
been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical sense
of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward to me,
but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out the
logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference so
they make more sense.
I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and be unable
to fix it :)
- K
On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com, "Kerry
Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS a
> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a headscratcher.
> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>
> - K
>
>
> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend online
>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the system.
>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I am
>> looking
>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
>> tutorial
>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic questions.
>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how to
>> organize
>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting frustrated
>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out how to
>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done that
>> with other software.
>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102388 is a reply to message #102387] |
Thu, 05 February 2009 20:07 |
Rob Russell
Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008
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Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed them:) Something
I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through #1 and
# 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a guitar amp
out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a bass amp
on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps. Why not
just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record track 2
tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think this
may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the help.
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
have
>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who have
>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical sense
>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward to me,
>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>
>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out the
>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference
so
>they make more sense.
>
>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and be unable
>to fix it :)
>
>- K
>
>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com, "Kerry
>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>
>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
a
>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a headscratcher.
>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>
>> - K
>>
>>
>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
online
>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the
system.
>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I
am
>>> looking
>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
>>> tutorial
>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic questions.
>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how to
>>> organize
>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting frustrated
>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out how
to
>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
that
>>> with other software.
>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102389 is a reply to message #102388] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 06:13 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
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Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
news:498ba964$1@linux...
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> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed them:)
> Something
> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through #1 and
> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a guitar
> amp
> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a bass amp
> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps. Why not
> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record track 2
> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think this
> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the help.
>
> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
> have
>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who have
>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical sense
>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward to me,
>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>
>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out the
>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference
> so
>>they make more sense.
>>
>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and be
>>unable
>>to fix it :)
>>
>>- K
>>
>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com, "Kerry
>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
> a
>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>> headscratcher.
>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>
>>> - K
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
> online
>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the
> system.
>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I
> am
>>>> looking
>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
>>>> tutorial
>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>>>> questions.
>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how to
>>>> organize
>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>> frustrated
>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out how
> to
>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
> that
>>>> with other software.
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102392 is a reply to message #102389] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 09:49 |
Rob Russell
Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008
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Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed for aux
send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll get
this someday...
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>
>
>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>
>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed them:)
>> Something
>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through #1 and
>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a guitar
>> amp
>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a bass
amp
>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps. Why
not
>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record track
2
>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think this
>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the help.
>>
>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>> have
>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who have
>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical sense
>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward to
me,
>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>
>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out the
>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference
>> so
>>>they make more sense.
>>>
>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and be
>>>unable
>>>to fix it :)
>>>
>>>- K
>>>
>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com, "Kerry
>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
>> a
>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>> headscratcher.
>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>
>>>> - K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
>> online
>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the
>> system.
>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it.
I
>> am
>>>>> looking
>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through
the
>>>>> tutorial
>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>>>>> questions.
>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how
to
>>>>> organize
>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>>> frustrated
>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out
how
>> to
>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>> that
>>>>> with other software.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102393 is a reply to message #102384] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 11:17 |
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Boy howdy! I agree with this advice. I use Freeform all the time and still
find myself scratching my old, bald head from time to time.
Gantt
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
a
>bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a headscratcher.
>PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>
>- K
>
>
>On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
><russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
online
>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the system.
>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I am
>> looking
>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
>> tutorial
>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic questions.
>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how to
>> organize
>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting frustrated
>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out how
to
>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
that
>> with other software.
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102394 is a reply to message #102392] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 11:19 |
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Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and what you're
trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar amp with
an output from Paris?
Gantt
"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
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>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed for
aux
>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll get
>this someday...
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>
>>
>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed them:)
>
>>> Something
>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through #1
and
>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a guitar
>
>>> amp
>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a bass
>amp
>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps. Why
>not
>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record track
>2
>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think
this
>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the help.
>>>
>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>>> have
>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who have
>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical
sense
>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward to
>me,
>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>
>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out the
>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference
>>> so
>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>
>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and be
>>>>unable
>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>
>>>>- K
>>>>
>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com, "Kerry
>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
>>> a
>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>
>>>>> - K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
>>> online
>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the
>>> system.
>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it.
>I
>>> am
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through
>the
>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how
>to
>>>>>> organize
>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out
>how
>>> to
>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>> that
>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102395 is a reply to message #102394] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 12:55 |
Rob Russell
Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008
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First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that people
are offering to help a beginner like myself.
I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals. The vocals
are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a jack
from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to channel
one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels. Another
from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects pedals
in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor speakers.
I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought it
used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may be
the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110 speakers also
not in use.
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and what
you're
>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar amp with
>an output from Paris?
>
>Gantt
>
>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed for
>aux
>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll get
>>this someday...
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>
>>>
>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed them:)
>>
>>>> Something
>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through #1
>and
>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a guitar
>>
>>>> amp
>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a bass
>>amp
>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps. Why
>>not
>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record track
>>2
>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think
>this
>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the help.
>>>>
>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>>>> have
>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who
have
>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical
>sense
>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward to
>>me,
>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>
>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out the
>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference
>>>> so
>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and be
>
>>>>>unable
>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>
>>>>>- K
>>>>>
>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com, "Kerry
>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know
PARIS
>>>> a
>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
>>>> online
>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of
the
>>>> system.
>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it.
>>I
>>>> am
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through
>>the
>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>
>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how
>>to
>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out
>>how
>>>> to
>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>>> that
>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102396 is a reply to message #102393] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 11:35 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
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I never got into freeform, as I found it was too easy to get myself in
trouble after trying it out a few times.
From what I can remember though, it was really the early predecessor to
Logic 8's take comping feature.
Goes to show how innovative Paris was at the time.
Cheers,
TC
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> Boy howdy! I agree with this advice. I use Freeform all the time and still
> find myself scratching my old, bald head from time to time.
>
> Gantt
>
> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
> a
>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a headscratcher.
>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>
>> - K
>>
>>
>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
> online
>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the system.
>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I am
>>> looking
>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
>>> tutorial
>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic questions.
>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how to
>>> organize
>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting frustrated
>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out how
> to
>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
> that
>>> with other software.
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102397 is a reply to message #102395] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 11:54 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hi Rob,
I'm sort of skimming this thread, but when you say "from output 2,
output 3" etc. are you referring to the 442 or your preamp?
If you mean that you are running outputs from the 442 directly to a bass
amp etc, then that is not correct for a couple of reasons (impedance,
levels etc).
442 ouputs can be used for monitoring, routing inserts with outboard
gear, or external aux effects, not for instrument levels (well, the
keyboard amps would work). Or do you mean you are using the amps for
monitoring?
Sorry if I'm confused and reading this completely wrong, I'm just in the
middle of several things at the moment so I just read this quickly while
checking the group..
Can you get your hands on a headphone amp? That would give you some
proper monitoring to start out with.
Cheers,
TC
Rob Russell wrote:
> First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that people
> are offering to help a beginner like myself.
> I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals. The vocals
> are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a jack
> from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to channel
> one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels. Another
> from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects pedals
> in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor speakers.
> I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought it
> used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may be
> the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110 speakers also
> not in use.
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102398 is a reply to message #102395] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 13:23 |
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It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not sure what's
there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set up right.
I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs of your
power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master section
output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the #2 input.
Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the 442's
outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers connected
to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are working!).
That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you get
the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that are soloed
and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd say
that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update us...
Good luck!
Gantt
"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>
>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that people
>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals. The
vocals
>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a jack
>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to channel
>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels. Another
>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects pedals
>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor speakers.
>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought it
>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may be
>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110 speakers
also
>not in use.
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and what
>you're
>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar amp
with
>>an output from Paris?
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed for
>>aux
>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll get
>>>this someday...
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed them:)
>>>
>>>>> Something
>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through #1
>>and
>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a guitar
>>>
>>>>> amp
>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a bass
>>>amp
>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps.
Why
>>>not
>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record track
>>>2
>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think
>>this
>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>>>>> have
>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who
>have
>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical
>>sense
>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward
to
>>>me,
>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out
the
>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference
>>>>> so
>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and be
>>
>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
"Kerry
>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know
>PARIS
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a
friend
>>>>> online
>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of
>the
>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it.
>>>I
>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through
>>>the
>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>>
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is
how
>>>to
>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure
out
>>>how
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102399 is a reply to message #102398] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 13:28 |
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Damn! I just looked at the pdf of the Paris manual and there is no "How To"
for connecting the hardware! How did any of us ever figure it out?!?
Gantt
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not sure
what's
>there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set up right.
> I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs of
your
>power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master
section
>output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the #2 input.
> Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the 442's
>outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers connected
>to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are working!).
> That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you get
>the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that are soloed
>and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd say
>that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update us...
>
>Good luck!
>
>Gantt
>
>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>
>>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that
people
>>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals. The
>vocals
>>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a jack
>>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to channel
>>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels. Another
>>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects pedals
>>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor speakers.
>>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought
it
>>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may be
>>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110 speakers
>also
>>not in use.
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and what
>>you're
>>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar amp
>with
>>>an output from Paris?
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed for
>>>aux
>>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll
get
>>>>this someday...
>>>>
>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed
them:)
>>>>
>>>>>> Something
>>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through
#1
>>>and
>>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a guitar
>>>>
>>>>>> amp
>>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a bass
>>>>amp
>>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps.
>Why
>>>>not
>>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record
track
>>>>2
>>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think
>>>this
>>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who
>>have
>>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical
>>>sense
>>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward
>to
>>>>me,
>>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out
>the
>>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and
be
>>>
>>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
>"Kerry
>>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know
>>PARIS
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a
>friend
>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of
>>the
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning
it.
>>>>I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>>>
>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is
>how
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure
>out
>>>>how
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102404 is a reply to message #102399] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 16:02 |
Rob Russell
Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008
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Junior Member |
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Ok, I figured that out and actually get a small amount of noise out of my
amp for the first time. The only problem is that it's a small amount of noise.
With the volune cranked up on the amp I get very little music out of each
speaker. It's definitely the two tracks I am looking for though. I need to
test the amp with something else. The fuse is ok.
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Damn! I just looked at the pdf of the Paris manual and there is no "How
To"
>for connecting the hardware! How did any of us ever figure it out?!?
>
>Gantt
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not sure
>what's
>>there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set up
right.
>> I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs of
>your
>>power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master
>section
>>output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the #2 input.
>> Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the 442's
>>outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers connected
>>to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are working!).
>> That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you get
>>the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that are
soloed
>>and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd say
>>that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update us...
>>
>>Good luck!
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that
>people
>>>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>>>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals. The
>>vocals
>>>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a jack
>>>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to channel
>>>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels. Another
>>>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects
pedals
>>>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor speakers.
>>>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought
>it
>>>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may
be
>>>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110 speakers
>>also
>>>not in use.
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and what
>>>you're
>>>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar amp
>>with
>>>>an output from Paris?
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed
for
>>>>aux
>>>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll
>get
>>>>>this someday...
>>>>>
>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed
>them:)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something
>>>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through
>#1
>>>>and
>>>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a
guitar
>>>>>
>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a
bass
>>>>>amp
>>>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps.
>>Why
>>>>>not
>>>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record
>track
>>>>>2
>>>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think
>>>>this
>>>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users who
>>>have
>>>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical
>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward
>>to
>>>>>me,
>>>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>>>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out
>>the
>>>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for reference
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and
>be
>>>>
>>>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
>>"Kerry
>>>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know
>>>PARIS
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had
a
>>friend
>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments
of
>>>the
>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning
>it.
>>>>>I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is
>>how
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure
>>out
>>>>>how
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102408 is a reply to message #102404] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 17:23 |
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You need to make sure your 442 outputs are set to +4 dB line level to get
the most out of your amp. I can't remember what the 442 looks like when you
open it in the patch bay but you should see a set of buttons to choose between
-10dB and +4dB for your inputs and outputs. All my gear runs at +4dB, which
is generally accepted to be the "pro" standard. -10dB is for consumer equipment.
That'll boost the output of your monitor system by 14dB right off the bat
which is a significant increase in level. Check to be sure your master faders
are all the way up. Then you need to get your levels into Paris up to a
good level to maximize your signal to noise. Get the clip lights on the
442 to flash red from time to time and then back your level (from whatever
device you're using - mic pre, bass amp, etc.) off a little. Occasional
red flashes are usually OK but you need to use the seat of your pants to
learn what the system likes and doesn't like. The good news is that Paris
is more forgiving than most!
Gantt
"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>
>Ok, I figured that out and actually get a small amount of noise out of my
>amp for the first time. The only problem is that it's a small amount of
noise.
>With the volune cranked up on the amp I get very little music out of each
>speaker. It's definitely the two tracks I am looking for though. I need
to
>test the amp with something else. The fuse is ok.
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Damn! I just looked at the pdf of the Paris manual and there is no "How
>To"
>>for connecting the hardware! How did any of us ever figure it out?!?
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not sure
>>what's
>>>there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set up
>right.
>>> I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs of
>>your
>>>power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master
>>section
>>>output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the #2
input.
>>> Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the
442's
>>>outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers connected
>>>to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are
working!).
>>> That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you get
>>>the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that are
>soloed
>>>and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd
say
>>>that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update us...
>>>
>>>Good luck!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that
>>people
>>>>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>>>>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals. The
>>>vocals
>>>>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a
jack
>>>>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to channel
>>>>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels.
Another
>>>>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects
>pedals
>>>>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor speakers.
>>>>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought
>>it
>>>>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may
>be
>>>>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110 speakers
>>>also
>>>>not in use.
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and what
>>>>you're
>>>>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar amp
>>>with
>>>>>an output from Paris?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed
>for
>>>>>aux
>>>>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll
>>get
>>>>>>this someday...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed
>>them:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Something
>>>>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through
>>#1
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and a
>guitar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and a
>bass
>>>>>>amp
>>>>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps.
>>>Why
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record
>>track
>>>>>>2
>>>>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to think
>>>>>this
>>>>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the
help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users
who
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical
>>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward
>>>to
>>>>>>me,
>>>>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're really
>>>>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure out
>>>the
>>>>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for
reference
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and
>>be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
>>>"Kerry
>>>>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know
>>>>PARIS
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had
>a
>>>friend
>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments
>of
>>>>the
>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning
>>it.
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question
is
>>>how
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>
>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure
>>>out
>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102409 is a reply to message #102396] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 17:24 |
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Freeform pretty much rocks once you get the hang of it. There are, however,
some strange quirks! I'm dying to get my hands on a Logic system for a day.
I have so many questions that can only be answered hands-on...
Gantt
TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>
>I never got into freeform, as I found it was too easy to get myself in
>trouble after trying it out a few times.
>
> From what I can remember though, it was really the early predecessor to
>Logic 8's take comping feature.
>
>Goes to show how innovative Paris was at the time.
>
>Cheers,
>
>TC
>
>
>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>> Boy howdy! I agree with this advice. I use Freeform all the time and
still
>> find myself scratching my old, bald head from time to time.
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
>> a
>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a headscratcher.
>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>
>>> - K
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
>> online
>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the
system.
>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I
am
>>>> looking
>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
>>>> tutorial
>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic questions.
>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how
to
>>>> organize
>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting frustrated
>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out
how
>> to
>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>> that
>>>> with other software.
>>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102411 is a reply to message #102409] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 17:36 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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I had a project a while back that reall needed free form so I spent a day
figuring out the best way to stay on top of it.
Without a doubt it saved my ass but I certainly wouldn't use it blind (so to
speak)
D
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:498cd4d1$1@linux...
>
> Freeform pretty much rocks once you get the hang of it. There are,
> however,
> some strange quirks! I'm dying to get my hands on a Logic system for a
> day.
> I have so many questions that can only be answered hands-on...
>
> Gantt
>
> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>>
>>I never got into freeform, as I found it was too easy to get myself in
>>trouble after trying it out a few times.
>>
>> From what I can remember though, it was really the early predecessor to
>
>>Logic 8's take comping feature.
>>
>>Goes to show how innovative Paris was at the time.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>TC
>>
>>
>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>> Boy howdy! I agree with this advice. I use Freeform all the time and
> still
>>> find myself scratching my old, bald head from time to time.
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
>>> a
>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>> headscratcher.
>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>
>>>> - K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
>>> online
>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the
> system.
>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I
> am
>>>>> looking
>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
>>>>> tutorial
>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic
>>>>> questions.
>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how
> to
>>>>> organize
>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>>> frustrated
>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out
> how
>>> to
>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>> that
>>>>> with other software.
>>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102412 is a reply to message #102409] |
Fri, 06 February 2009 17:45 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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The way logic handles comping is top notch, although I've found it to be
buggy if doing heavy comps (corrupted sessions). PT8 comping is close in
it's implementation, but not anywhere near as quick as working in Logic
(no soloing/muting involved).
Cheers,
TC
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> Freeform pretty much rocks once you get the hang of it. There are, however,
> some strange quirks! I'm dying to get my hands on a Logic system for a day.
> I have so many questions that can only be answered hands-on...
>
> Gantt
>
> TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>> I never got into freeform, as I found it was too easy to get myself in
>> trouble after trying it out a few times.
>>
>> From what I can remember though, it was really the early predecessor to
>
>> Logic 8's take comping feature.
>>
>> Goes to show how innovative Paris was at the time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> TC
>>
>>
>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>> Boy howdy! I agree with this advice. I use Freeform all the time and
> still
>>> find myself scratching my old, bald head from time to time.
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to know PARIS
>>> a
>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a headscratcher.
>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>
>>>> - K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had a friend
>>> online
>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments of the
> system.
>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning it. I
> am
>>>>> looking
>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through the
>>>>> tutorial
>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my basic questions.
>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question is how
> to
>>>>> organize
>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting frustrated
>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure out
> how
>>> to
>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>> that
>>>>> with other software.
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102419 is a reply to message #102408] |
Sat, 07 February 2009 05:30 |
Rob Russell
Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008
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Great! Now I am editing with a speaker for track 1 and track 2. The volume
still seems low with the amp cranked but I'm thinking that's because of the
original recording level. Is there a way to increase the volume on an existing
track file so it will be louder through the studio amp and speakers? Now,
with the mixer levels maxed out and the studio amp maxed out, the volume
is still low.
Now, how do I play through my amps and hook-up to the 442 for recording?
Before, I was going through input 1 with instrument and then out through
output 1 to my amp. If I want to hear the existing 2 tracks and record a
track 3 at the correct level how should I hook-up and set patch bay?
Ok,now some editing questions. I made a drum track that was 4 minutes long
and has two different tempos. How do I cut out a section and move it to a
new project? I tried ctrl+x to cut and then paste in a new project but that
didn't work.
When editing a project with two tracks, I have a 30 second pause in the song.
How do I remove that pause from both tracks and have what's remaining move
over and not leave a gap? I have'nt figured out how to cut two tracks at
the same time either. All I can do is highlight one track and set two cut
marks and then cut out the section I want with ctrl+x. Then I have a gap
in one track and have to try to cut the second track exactly the same, then
slide what's left over to fill the gaps. What I'd like to do is cut the section
from both tracks at the same time and have what's left snap over to fill
the gap.
Handling existing files has been hard too. I had 5 projects saved and wanted
to remove 3 of them. I can't find a place in PARIS to delete projects. When
I go to documents in windows the projects are expanded into alot of files
that don't have the project heading. So I don't know which ones to delete.
I'm sure I'm missing something here. I'm thinking I should make a folder
each time I finish working on a project to keep them seperate. Now I have
5 projects all broken up in the same list and have already deleted some files
by mistake that I wanted to keep. When I tried to open a project that I thought
I had kept...it said some of the files can't be found. So, is the folder
idea the way to go to manage files?
I'm definitely getting better at this quickly with all the help. Thanks!!!
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>You need to make sure your 442 outputs are set to +4 dB line level to get
>the most out of your amp. I can't remember what the 442 looks like when
you
>open it in the patch bay but you should see a set of buttons to choose between
>-10dB and +4dB for your inputs and outputs. All my gear runs at +4dB, which
>is generally accepted to be the "pro" standard. -10dB is for consumer equipment.
> That'll boost the output of your monitor system by 14dB right off the
bat
>which is a significant increase in level. Check to be sure your master
faders
>are all the way up. Then you need to get your levels into Paris up to a
>good level to maximize your signal to noise. Get the clip lights on the
>442 to flash red from time to time and then back your level (from whatever
>device you're using - mic pre, bass amp, etc.) off a little. Occasional
>red flashes are usually OK but you need to use the seat of your pants to
>learn what the system likes and doesn't like. The good news is that Paris
>is more forgiving than most!
>
>Gantt
>
>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ok, I figured that out and actually get a small amount of noise out of
my
>>amp for the first time. The only problem is that it's a small amount of
>noise.
>>With the volune cranked up on the amp I get very little music out of each
>>speaker. It's definitely the two tracks I am looking for though. I need
>to
>>test the amp with something else. The fuse is ok.
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Damn! I just looked at the pdf of the Paris manual and there is no "How
>>To"
>>>for connecting the hardware! How did any of us ever figure it out?!?
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not sure
>>>what's
>>>>there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set up
>>right.
>>>> I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs
of
>>>your
>>>>power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master
>>>section
>>>>output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the #2
>input.
>>>> Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the
>442's
>>>>outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers connected
>>>>to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are
>working!).
>>>> That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you
get
>>>>the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that are
>>soloed
>>>>and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd
>say
>>>>that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update
us...
>>>>
>>>>Good luck!
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that
>>>people
>>>>>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>>>>>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals.
The
>>>>vocals
>>>>>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a
>jack
>>>>>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to channel
>>>>>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels.
>Another
>>>>>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects
>>pedals
>>>>>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor speakers.
>>>>>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought
>>>it
>>>>>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may
>>be
>>>>>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110 speakers
>>>>also
>>>>>not in use.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and
what
>>>>>you're
>>>>>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar
amp
>>>>with
>>>>>>an output from Paris?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed
>>for
>>>>>>aux
>>>>>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll
>>>get
>>>>>>>this someday...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed
>>>them:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something
>>>>>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through
>>>#1
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and
a
>>guitar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and
a
>>bass
>>>>>>>amp
>>>>>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps.
>>>>Why
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record
>>>track
>>>>>>>2
>>>>>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to
think
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the
>help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users
>who
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical
>>>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward
>>>>to
>>>>>>>me,
>>>>>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're
really
>>>>>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure
out
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for
>reference
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>>>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and
>>>be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
>>>>"Kerry
>>>>>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to
know
>>>>>PARIS
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had
>>a
>>>>friend
>>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments
>>of
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning
>>>it.
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read through
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my
basic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question
>is
>>>>how
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure
>>>>out
>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been there,done
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102420 is a reply to message #102419] |
Sat, 07 February 2009 04:14 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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I might suggest you get on Skype...pick up a mic headset and call a fellow
parisite with your questions...hell you could even chat your questions with
skype.
Would speed up the process incredibly
my skype ID is dnafe23...ask away
"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
news:498d7ee8$1@linux...
>
> Great! Now I am editing with a speaker for track 1 and track 2. The volume
> still seems low with the amp cranked but I'm thinking that's because of
> the
> original recording level. Is there a way to increase the volume on an
> existing
> track file so it will be louder through the studio amp and speakers? Now,
> with the mixer levels maxed out and the studio amp maxed out, the volume
> is still low.
> Now, how do I play through my amps and hook-up to the 442 for recording?
> Before, I was going through input 1 with instrument and then out through
> output 1 to my amp. If I want to hear the existing 2 tracks and record a
> track 3 at the correct level how should I hook-up and set patch bay?
> Ok,now some editing questions. I made a drum track that was 4 minutes long
> and has two different tempos. How do I cut out a section and move it to a
> new project? I tried ctrl+x to cut and then paste in a new project but
> that
> didn't work.
> When editing a project with two tracks, I have a 30 second pause in the
> song.
> How do I remove that pause from both tracks and have what's remaining move
> over and not leave a gap? I have'nt figured out how to cut two tracks at
> the same time either. All I can do is highlight one track and set two cut
> marks and then cut out the section I want with ctrl+x. Then I have a gap
> in one track and have to try to cut the second track exactly the same,
> then
> slide what's left over to fill the gaps. What I'd like to do is cut the
> section
> from both tracks at the same time and have what's left snap over to fill
> the gap.
> Handling existing files has been hard too. I had 5 projects saved and
> wanted
> to remove 3 of them. I can't find a place in PARIS to delete projects.
> When
> I go to documents in windows the projects are expanded into alot of files
> that don't have the project heading. So I don't know which ones to delete.
> I'm sure I'm missing something here. I'm thinking I should make a folder
> each time I finish working on a project to keep them seperate. Now I have
> 5 projects all broken up in the same list and have already deleted some
> files
> by mistake that I wanted to keep. When I tried to open a project that I
> thought
> I had kept...it said some of the files can't be found. So, is the folder
> idea the way to go to manage files?
> I'm definitely getting better at this quickly with all the help. Thanks!!!
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>You need to make sure your 442 outputs are set to +4 dB line level to get
>>the most out of your amp. I can't remember what the 442 looks like when
> you
>>open it in the patch bay but you should see a set of buttons to choose
>>between
>>-10dB and +4dB for your inputs and outputs. All my gear runs at +4dB,
>>which
>>is generally accepted to be the "pro" standard. -10dB is for consumer
>>equipment.
>> That'll boost the output of your monitor system by 14dB right off the
> bat
>>which is a significant increase in level. Check to be sure your master
> faders
>>are all the way up. Then you need to get your levels into Paris up to a
>>good level to maximize your signal to noise. Get the clip lights on the
>>442 to flash red from time to time and then back your level (from whatever
>>device you're using - mic pre, bass amp, etc.) off a little. Occasional
>>red flashes are usually OK but you need to use the seat of your pants to
>>learn what the system likes and doesn't like. The good news is that Paris
>>is more forgiving than most!
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok, I figured that out and actually get a small amount of noise out of
> my
>>>amp for the first time. The only problem is that it's a small amount of
>>noise.
>>>With the volune cranked up on the amp I get very little music out of each
>>>speaker. It's definitely the two tracks I am looking for though. I need
>>to
>>>test the amp with something else. The fuse is ok.
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Damn! I just looked at the pdf of the Paris manual and there is no "How
>>>To"
>>>>for connecting the hardware! How did any of us ever figure it out?!?
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not
>>>>>sure
>>>>what's
>>>>>there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set up
>>>right.
>>>>> I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs
> of
>>>>your
>>>>>power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master
>>>>section
>>>>>output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the #2
>>input.
>>>>> Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the
>>442's
>>>>>outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers
>>>>>connected
>>>>>to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are
>>working!).
>>>>> That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you
> get
>>>>>the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that are
>>>soloed
>>>>>and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd
>>say
>>>>>that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update
> us...
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that
>>>>people
>>>>>>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>>>>>>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals.
> The
>>>>>vocals
>>>>>>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a
>>jack
>>>>>>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to
>>>>>>channel
>>>>>>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels.
>>Another
>>>>>>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects
>>>pedals
>>>>>>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor
>>>>>>speakers.
>>>>>>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought
>>>>it
>>>>>>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may
>>>be
>>>>>>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110
>>>>>>speakers
>>>>>also
>>>>>>not in use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and
> what
>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar
> amp
>>>>>with
>>>>>>>an output from Paris?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed
>>>for
>>>>>>>aux
>>>>>>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll
>>>>get
>>>>>>>>this someday...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed
>>>>them:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Something
>>>>>>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through
>>>>#1
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and
> a
>>>guitar
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and
> a
>>>bass
>>>>>>>>amp
>>>>>>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both
>>>>>>>>>> amps.
>>>>>Why
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record
>>>>track
>>>>>>>>2
>>>>>>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to
> think
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the
>>help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you
>>>>>>>>>>>*absolutely
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users
>>who
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making
>>>>>>>>>>>logical
>>>>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>straightforward
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>me,
>>>>>>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're
> really
>>>>>>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure
> out
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for
>>reference
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered
>>>>>>>>>>>implementing
>>>>>>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and
>>>>be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article
>>>>>>>>>>>C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
>>>>>"Kerry
>>>>>>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to
> know
>>>>>>PARIS
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had
>>>a
>>>>>friend
>>>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments
>>>of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning
>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my
> basic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question
>>is
>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there,done
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102421 is a reply to message #102419] |
Sat, 07 February 2009 04:43 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
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see below...I'm sure others will pipe in with better ideas...I haven't
touched Paris since October so thes comments are just fading memories
hehehe
"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
news:498d7ee8$1@linux...
>
> Great! Now I am editing with a speaker for track 1 and track 2. The volume
> still seems low with the amp cranked but I'm thinking that's because of
> the
> original recording level. Is there a way to increase the volume on an
> existing
> track file so it will be louder through the studio amp and speakers? Now,
> with the mixer levels maxed out and the studio amp maxed out, the volume
> is still low.
you can boost the volume of the track by highlighting the track(s) you want
to boost - in one of the drop down menus in the editor window (sorry
don't remember which one) you click on gain change and just type in the gain
change for the track or group of tracks
> Now, how do I play through my amps and hook-up to the 442 for recording?
> Before, I was going through input 1 with instrument and then out through
> output 1 to my amp. If I want to hear the existing 2 tracks and record a
> track 3 at the correct level how should I hook-up and set patch bay?
play directly into the amp and mic it?
I can't answer the patch bay question without accessing Paris - which won't
be happening anytime soon (we're at the tail end of renovations and Paris is
packed away)
> Ok,now some editing questions. I made a drum track that was 4 minutes long
> and has two different tempos. How do I cut out a section and move it to a
> new project? I tried ctrl+x to cut and then paste in a new project but
> that
> didn't work.
Put the now line at the point you want to cut...highlight all the drum
tracks...hit Control K - all the tracks are cut...delete the first section
of tracks, move the second section to ths begining of the song "0:00.000"
and save it as a new song name. Hit undo until your back to the place where
you cut the tracks...delete the second half of the drum tracks and save it
as the original file name...voila two songs
> When editing a project with two tracks, I have a 30 second pause in the
> song.
> How do I remove that pause from both tracks and have what's remaining move
> over and not leave a gap? I have'nt figured out how to cut two tracks at
> the same time either. All I can do is highlight one track and set two cut
> marks and then cut out the section I want with ctrl+x. Then I have a gap
> in one track and have to try to cut the second track exactly the same,
> then
> slide what's left over to fill the gaps. What I'd like to do is cut the
> section
> from both tracks at the same time and have what's left snap over to fill
> the gap.
see above....after cutiing - grab all the tracks at the end and move
them...OR after cutting use the "snap to end" (drop down menu - snap on)
then click the relevent button on the top in the editor window. (I think)
There's also a remove time option but I haven't used it in so long I can't
remember where it is in Paris
> Handling existing files has been hard too. I had 5 projects saved and
> wanted
> to remove 3 of them. I can't find a place in PARIS to delete projects.
> When
> I go to documents in windows the projects are expanded into alot of files
> that don't have the project heading. So I don't know which ones to delete.
> I'm sure I'm missing something here. I'm thinking I should make a folder
> each time I finish working on a project to keep them seperate. Now I have
> 5 projects all broken up in the same list and have already deleted some
> files
> by mistake that I wanted to keep. When I tried to open a project that I
> thought
> I had kept...it said some of the files can't be found. So, is the folder
> idea the way to go to manage files?
yes, set up a distinct folder for each song
Hope this helps
> I'm definitely getting better at this quickly with all the help. Thanks!!!
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>You need to make sure your 442 outputs are set to +4 dB line level to get
>>the most out of your amp. I can't remember what the 442 looks like when
> you
>>open it in the patch bay but you should see a set of buttons to choose
>>between
>>-10dB and +4dB for your inputs and outputs. All my gear runs at +4dB,
>>which
>>is generally accepted to be the "pro" standard. -10dB is for consumer
>>equipment.
>> That'll boost the output of your monitor system by 14dB right off the
> bat
>>which is a significant increase in level. Check to be sure your master
> faders
>>are all the way up. Then you need to get your levels into Paris up to a
>>good level to maximize your signal to noise. Get the clip lights on the
>>442 to flash red from time to time and then back your level (from whatever
>>device you're using - mic pre, bass amp, etc.) off a little. Occasional
>>red flashes are usually OK but you need to use the seat of your pants to
>>learn what the system likes and doesn't like. The good news is that Paris
>>is more forgiving than most!
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok, I figured that out and actually get a small amount of noise out of
> my
>>>amp for the first time. The only problem is that it's a small amount of
>>noise.
>>>With the volune cranked up on the amp I get very little music out of each
>>>speaker. It's definitely the two tracks I am looking for though. I need
>>to
>>>test the amp with something else. The fuse is ok.
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Damn! I just looked at the pdf of the Paris manual and there is no "How
>>>To"
>>>>for connecting the hardware! How did any of us ever figure it out?!?
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not
>>>>>sure
>>>>what's
>>>>>there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set up
>>>right.
>>>>> I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs
> of
>>>>your
>>>>>power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master
>>>>section
>>>>>output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the #2
>>input.
>>>>> Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the
>>442's
>>>>>outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers
>>>>>connected
>>>>>to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are
>>working!).
>>>>> That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you
> get
>>>>>the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that are
>>>soloed
>>>>>and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd
>>say
>>>>>that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update
> us...
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that
>>>>people
>>>>>>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>>>>>>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals.
> The
>>>>>vocals
>>>>>>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run a
>>jack
>>>>>>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to
>>>>>>channel
>>>>>>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels.
>>Another
>>>>>>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects
>>>pedals
>>>>>>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor
>>>>>>speakers.
>>>>>>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought
>>>>it
>>>>>>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may
>>>be
>>>>>>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110
>>>>>>speakers
>>>>>also
>>>>>>not in use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and
> what
>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar
> amp
>>>>>with
>>>>>>>an output from Paris?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed
>>>for
>>>>>>>aux
>>>>>>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll
>>>>get
>>>>>>>>this someday...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed
>>>>them:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Something
>>>>>>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through
>>>>#1
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and
> a
>>>guitar
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and
> a
>>>bass
>>>>>>>>amp
>>>>>>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both
>>>>>>>>>> amps.
>>>>>Why
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record
>>>>track
>>>>>>>>2
>>>>>>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to
> think
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the
>>help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you
>>>>>>>>>>>*absolutely
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users
>>who
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making
>>>>>>>>>>>logical
>>>>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>straightforward
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>me,
>>>>>>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're
> really
>>>>>>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure
> out
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for
>>reference
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered
>>>>>>>>>>>implementing
>>>>>>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it and
>>>>be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article
>>>>>>>>>>>C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
>>>>>"Kerry
>>>>>>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to
> know
>>>>>>PARIS
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had
>>>a
>>>>>friend
>>>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments
>>>of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning
>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my
> basic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question
>>is
>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there,done
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102422 is a reply to message #102420] |
Sat, 07 February 2009 06:11 |
Rob Russell
Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008
|
Junior Member |
|
|
I like that idea but unfortunately my PARIS computer is a long way from my
office computer that has internet hooked up. I wanted to keep my old comp
that has PARIS away from the internet. PARIS only. I am starting to think
I need to get another wireless router though and get online. It would simplify
alot of stuff.
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>I might suggest you get on Skype...pick up a mic headset and call a fellow
>parisite with your questions...hell you could even chat your questions with
>skype.
>
>Would speed up the process incredibly
>
>my skype ID is dnafe23...ask away
>
>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>news:498d7ee8$1@linux...
>>
>> Great! Now I am editing with a speaker for track 1 and track 2. The volume
>> still seems low with the amp cranked but I'm thinking that's because of
>> the
>> original recording level. Is there a way to increase the volume on an
>> existing
>> track file so it will be louder through the studio amp and speakers? Now,
>> with the mixer levels maxed out and the studio amp maxed out, the volume
>> is still low.
>> Now, how do I play through my amps and hook-up to the 442 for recording?
>> Before, I was going through input 1 with instrument and then out through
>> output 1 to my amp. If I want to hear the existing 2 tracks and record
a
>> track 3 at the correct level how should I hook-up and set patch bay?
>> Ok,now some editing questions. I made a drum track that was 4 minutes
long
>> and has two different tempos. How do I cut out a section and move it to
a
>> new project? I tried ctrl+x to cut and then paste in a new project but
>> that
>> didn't work.
>> When editing a project with two tracks, I have a 30 second pause in the
>> song.
>> How do I remove that pause from both tracks and have what's remaining
move
>> over and not leave a gap? I have'nt figured out how to cut two tracks
at
>> the same time either. All I can do is highlight one track and set two
cut
>> marks and then cut out the section I want with ctrl+x. Then I have a gap
>> in one track and have to try to cut the second track exactly the same,
>> then
>> slide what's left over to fill the gaps. What I'd like to do is cut the
>> section
>> from both tracks at the same time and have what's left snap over to fill
>> the gap.
>> Handling existing files has been hard too. I had 5 projects saved and
>> wanted
>> to remove 3 of them. I can't find a place in PARIS to delete projects.
>> When
>> I go to documents in windows the projects are expanded into alot of files
>> that don't have the project heading. So I don't know which ones to delete.
>> I'm sure I'm missing something here. I'm thinking I should make a folder
>> each time I finish working on a project to keep them seperate. Now I have
>> 5 projects all broken up in the same list and have already deleted some
>> files
>> by mistake that I wanted to keep. When I tried to open a project that
I
>> thought
>> I had kept...it said some of the files can't be found. So, is the folder
>> idea the way to go to manage files?
>> I'm definitely getting better at this quickly with all the help. Thanks!!!
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>You need to make sure your 442 outputs are set to +4 dB line level to
get
>>>the most out of your amp. I can't remember what the 442 looks like when
>> you
>>>open it in the patch bay but you should see a set of buttons to choose
>>>between
>>>-10dB and +4dB for your inputs and outputs. All my gear runs at +4dB,
>>>which
>>>is generally accepted to be the "pro" standard. -10dB is for consumer
>>>equipment.
>>> That'll boost the output of your monitor system by 14dB right off the
>> bat
>>>which is a significant increase in level. Check to be sure your master
>> faders
>>>are all the way up. Then you need to get your levels into Paris up to
a
>>>good level to maximize your signal to noise. Get the clip lights on the
>>>442 to flash red from time to time and then back your level (from whatever
>>>device you're using - mic pre, bass amp, etc.) off a little. Occasional
>>>red flashes are usually OK but you need to use the seat of your pants
to
>>>learn what the system likes and doesn't like. The good news is that Paris
>>>is more forgiving than most!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Ok, I figured that out and actually get a small amount of noise out of
>> my
>>>>amp for the first time. The only problem is that it's a small amount
of
>>>noise.
>>>>With the volune cranked up on the amp I get very little music out of
each
>>>>speaker. It's definitely the two tracks I am looking for though. I need
>>>to
>>>>test the amp with something else. The fuse is ok.
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Damn! I just looked at the pdf of the Paris manual and there is no
"How
>>>>To"
>>>>>for connecting the hardware! How did any of us ever figure it out?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not
>>>>>>sure
>>>>>what's
>>>>>>there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set
up
>>>>right.
>>>>>> I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs
>> of
>>>>>your
>>>>>>power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master
>>>>>section
>>>>>>output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the
#2
>>>input.
>>>>>> Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the
>>>442's
>>>>>>outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers
>>>>>>connected
>>>>>>to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are
>>>working!).
>>>>>> That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you
>> get
>>>>>>the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that
are
>>>>soloed
>>>>>>and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd
>>>say
>>>>>>that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update
>> us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time
that
>>>>>people
>>>>>>>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>>>>>>>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals.
>> The
>>>>>>vocals
>>>>>>>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run
a
>>>jack
>>>>>>>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to
>>>>>>>channel
>>>>>>>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels.
>>>Another
>>>>>>>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects
>>>>pedals
>>>>>>>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor
>>>>>>>speakers.
>>>>>>>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought
>>>>>it
>>>>>>>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It
may
>>>>be
>>>>>>>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110
>>>>>>>speakers
>>>>>>also
>>>>>>>not in use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and
>> what
>>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar
>> amp
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>an output from Paris?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed
>>>>for
>>>>>>>>aux
>>>>>>>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R.
I'll
>>>>>get
>>>>>>>>>this someday...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed
>>>>>them:)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Something
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through
>>>>>#1
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and
>> a
>>>>guitar
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and
>> a
>>>>bass
>>>>>>>>>amp
>>>>>>>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both
>>>>>>>>>>> amps.
>>>>>>Why
>>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record
>>>>>track
>>>>>>>>>2
>>>>>>>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to
>> think
>>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the
>>>help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you
>>>>>>>>>>>>*absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users
>>>who
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making
>>>>>>>>>>>>logical
>>>>>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>straightforward
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're
>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure
>> out
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for
>>>reference
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered
>>>>>>>>>>>>implementing
>>>>>>>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it
and
>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article
>>>>>>>>>>>>C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
>>>>>>"Kerry
>>>>>>>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to
>> know
>>>>>>>PARIS
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I
had
>>>>a
>>>>>>friend
>>>>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments
>>>>of
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning
>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my
>> basic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question
>>>is
>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there,done
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102426 is a reply to message #102419] |
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>Is there a way to increase the volume on an existing
>track file so it will be louder through the studio amp and speakers? Now,
>with the mixer levels maxed out and the studio amp maxed out, the volume
>is still low.
I wouldn't do the gain change thing that Don suggested because it's destructive
editing. I'd probably go into the graphic EQ window and crank the gain first.
You have up to 20 dB, which should help a lot. If that's not enough you
could try gain change but I'd render the track first to make a copy so as
to not damage your original file.
>Now, how do I play through my amps and hook-up to the 442 for recording?
>Before, I was going through input 1 with instrument and then out through
>output 1 to my amp. If I want to hear the existing 2 tracks and record a
>track 3 at the correct level how should I hook-up and set patch bay?
Drag the outputs of the 442 in the patchbay to the inputs of your mixer.
You now have 4 channels ready to record. Put a mic in front of your guitar
or bass amp, plug it into a mic pre, plug the output of the mic pre into
the input (1,2,3 or 4) of your 442 and enable the track(s) you're recording
to. If you want to record guitar or bass direct you need a direct box plugged
into a mic pre or a preamp w/ a line level out. Plugging a guitar or bass
directly into the 442 will create an impedance mismatch - most guitars and
basses high impedance outputs. The 442 has low impedance inputs. If you
dig the sound, fine. Rules are made to be broken. But generally speaking,
you'll get better signal-to-noise and better freq response w/ matched impedances.
There are cheap direct boxes and expensive ones. You need to shop around.
>Ok,now some editing questions. I made a drum track that was 4 minutes long
>and has two different tempos. How do I cut out a section and move it to
a
>new project? I tried ctrl+x to cut and then paste in a new project but that
>didn't work.
When i want to export a track or group of tracks I usually render them, make
note of the new names, and then import them into the new song. Don's idea
would work fine too. I just find that for file management my way keeps things
more organized. I also keep every song in it's own folder.
>When editing a project with two tracks, I have a 30 second pause in the
song.
>How do I remove that pause from both tracks and have what's remaining move
>over and not leave a gap?
>I have'nt figured out how to cut two tracks at
>the same time either. All I can do is highlight one track and set two cut
>marks and then cut out the section I want with ctrl+x. Then I have a gap
>in one track and have to try to cut the second track exactly the same, then
>slide what's left over to fill the gaps. What I'd like to do is cut the
section
>from both tracks at the same time and have what's left snap over to fill
>the gap.
You can select multiple tracks. Then, on my Mac (the keystrokes are different
for PC, I guess) I do "Command" + "K". That cuts all selected tracks at
the now line.
>Handling existing files has been hard too. I had 5 projects saved and wanted
>to remove 3 of them. I can't find a place in PARIS to delete projects. When
>I go to documents in windows the projects are expanded into alot of files
>that don't have the project heading. So I don't know which ones to delete.
>I'm sure I'm missing something here. I'm thinking I should make a folder
>each time I finish working on a project to keep them seperate. Now I have
>5 projects all broken up in the same list and have already deleted some
files
>by mistake that I wanted to keep. When I tried to open a project that I
thought
>I had kept...it said some of the files can't be found. So, is the folder
>idea the way to go to manage files?
I always create a new folder for a song before beginning work on it. Then
I set my record path to put all files in that folder. Name your rec path
with something short (Paris don't like long names!) that'll tell you which
files belong to which song. Save often and frequently. Also, save a lot.
You'll NEVER be sorry you saved too often.
>I'm definitely getting better at this quickly with all the help. Thanks!!!
Good luck!
Gantt
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>You need to make sure your 442 outputs are set to +4 dB line level to get
>>the most out of your amp. I can't remember what the 442 looks like when
>you
>>open it in the patch bay but you should see a set of buttons to choose
between
>>-10dB and +4dB for your inputs and outputs. All my gear runs at +4dB,
which
>>is generally accepted to be the "pro" standard. -10dB is for consumer
equipment.
>> That'll boost the output of your monitor system by 14dB right off the
>bat
>>which is a significant increase in level. Check to be sure your master
>faders
>>are all the way up. Then you need to get your levels into Paris up to
a
>>good level to maximize your signal to noise. Get the clip lights on the
>>442 to flash red from time to time and then back your level (from whatever
>>device you're using - mic pre, bass amp, etc.) off a little. Occasional
>>red flashes are usually OK but you need to use the seat of your pants to
>>learn what the system likes and doesn't like. The good news is that Paris
>>is more forgiving than most!
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok, I figured that out and actually get a small amount of noise out of
>my
>>>amp for the first time. The only problem is that it's a small amount of
>>noise.
>>>With the volune cranked up on the amp I get very little music out of each
>>>speaker. It's definitely the two tracks I am looking for though. I need
>>to
>>>test the amp with something else. The fuse is ok.
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Damn! I just looked at the pdf of the Paris manual and there is no "How
>>>To"
>>>>for connecting the hardware! How did any of us ever figure it out?!?
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>It's been so long since I looked at the back of my 442 that I'm not
sure
>>>>what's
>>>>>there, but here's what I think: You need to get your patch bay set
up
>>>right.
>>>>> I think you want the 442's outputs 1 and 2 to connect to the inputs
>of
>>>>your
>>>>>power amp. Go into the patch bay and click & drag from the left master
>>>>section
>>>>>output to the 442's #1 input. Drag the right master output to the #2
>>input.
>>>>> Be aware that these 442 "inputs" will route the master output to the
>>442's
>>>>>outputs 1 and 2. You should then hear sound from the speakers connected
>>>>>to your power amp (assuming, of course, that the amp and speakers are
>>working!).
>>>>> That'll become your studio monitor for tracking and mixing. If you
>get
>>>>>the wrong outputs on the master section you won't hear tracks that are
>>>soloed
>>>>>and the volume control on the mixer's master section won't work. I'd
>>say
>>>>>that's step one toward getting set up properly. Try that and update
>us...
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>First of all, thanks for this help. I really appreciate this time that
>>>>people
>>>>>>are offering to help a beginner like myself.
>>>>>>I have been using the 1-3 inputs on the 442 for bass,guitar,vocals.
>The
>>>>>vocals
>>>>>>are from a mic routed through a Trace Acoustic pre-amp. Then I run
a
>>jack
>>>>>>from output 1 to a 400w Fender bass amp.Another from output 2 to channel
>>>>>>one on a Peavey KB/A60 acoustic guitar/keyboard amp with 2 channels.
>>Another
>>>>>>from output 3 to channel two on the same amp. Sometimes I put effects
>>>pedals
>>>>>>in between the instruments and the 442. I don't have any monitor speakers.
>>>>>>I have a Samson servo 260 Studio Amplifier 130 watt stereo, but bought
>>>>it
>>>>>>used and haven't been able to get any sound to come out of it. It may
>>>be
>>>>>>the way I am hooking it up. Then I have two old JBL model L110 speakers
>>>>>also
>>>>>>not in use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rob - If you could detail how your current setup is configured and
>what
>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>trying to do it might be easier to help. Are you driving a guitar
>amp
>>>>>with
>>>>>>>an output from Paris?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ahhhh...perfect:) Thank you sooo much. Also I had the button pushed
>>>for
>>>>>>>aux
>>>>>>>>send that was causing same thing even with panning set L and R. I'll
>>>>get
>>>>>>>>this someday...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Check your panning on tracks 1 & 2 hard L hard R
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:498ba964$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good...I started looking at the patch bay pages and closed
>>>>them:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Something
>>>>>>>>>> I can't understand is why my #2 input will sometimes play through
>>>>#1
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>> # 2 output. For instance I have a guitar going to #1 input and
>a
>>>guitar
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> amp
>>>>>>>>>> out of the #1 output. Then I have a bass going to #2 input and
>a
>>>bass
>>>>>>>>amp
>>>>>>>>>> on #2 output. Then when I play the bass it comes out of both amps.
>>>>>Why
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>> just the bass amp? I figured out how to play track one and record
>>>>track
>>>>>>>>2
>>>>>>>>>> tonight. That was a major breakthrough for me. I'm starting to
>think
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>> may be too much for a beginner like me. I really appreciate the
>>help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Oh - the other thing I would skip for right now, unless you *absolutely
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>to deal with it*, is the patch bay. It's weird, but PARIS users
>>who
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>been wizards at the platform for years have struggled making logical
>>>>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>>>>of it. I have no idea why, it always seemed pretty straightforward
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>me,
>>>>>>>>>>>but I can tell you what stumps most people - it's disastrously
>>>>>>>>>>>non-intuitively LABELED for beginners.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For example you'll be plugging things into inputs when they're
>really
>>>>>>>>>>>"outputs". The trick is to try a few sample layouts and figure
>out
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>logic, and re-write the names of things on a separate sheet for
>>reference
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>they make more sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I know a guy with a headphone setup that he's never bothered implementing
>>>>>>>>>>>because he's terrified to touch the patchbay lest he break it
and
>>>>be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>unable
>>>>>>>>>>>to fix it :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>- K
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On 2/5/09 4:37 PM, in article C5B0C65E.19421%kg@kerrygalloway.com,
>>>>>"Kerry
>>>>>>>>>>>Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My advice: SKIP FREEFORM MODE for right now until you get to
>know
>>>>>>PARIS
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit better. Freeform is powerful and cool, but it can be a
>>>>>>>>>>>> headscratcher.
>>>>>>>>>>>> PARIS in normal mode is pretty straightahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/09 4:35 PM, in article 498b77a9$1@linux, "Rob R"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I bought the system on ebay a year and a half ago, I had
>>>a
>>>>>friend
>>>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that said he would help me get started with all the rudiments
>>>of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has since disappeared, but I am still committed to learning
>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for help if anyone has the time and interest...I have read
through
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the introduction manual and don't find the answers to my
>basic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My second post describes my first question. My next question
>>is
>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and name instruments in the freeform mode. I am getting
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already and don't want to spend hours and days trying to figure
>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do something and then find out it is the wrong way....been
there,done
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102448 is a reply to message #102443] |
Sun, 08 February 2009 10:45 |
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Yikes! Thanks for the feedback, folks; perhaps that file manager doesn't
like files that size.
I've tried something more direct and it seems to be working on this end -
give the same page a try and see if it works better now.
http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Paris Demos
- K
On 2/8/09 7:37 AM, in article 498eee3d$1@linux, "Rob Russell"
<russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>
> I can't extract the files I get either no files found or :
> ---------------------------
> Warning
> ---------------------------
> No archives found
> ---------------------------
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> --------------------------
>
> "Micha" <micha@nxtnet.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, me again.
>>
>> downloading the pdf works fine.
>>
>> greetz,
>> Micha
>>
>> "Micha" <micha@nxtnet.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kerry!
>>>
>>> really good that you make these files available!
>>>
>>> When I click on the links, a 0kb file is being downloaded,
>>> I use Firefox (newest version)... and I tried with Opera, same problem.
>> Do
>>> I have to use some download manager software?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much, It's always good to start at the beginning:)
>>>>
>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Rob. Sorry for the delay - the tutorial files originally included
> with
>>>>> PARIS are now available for download here:
>>>>> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Paris Demos at
> the
>>>>> ParisWiki (
>>>>> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=HomeP age
>>>>> ). Hope they're useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/5/09 11:49 AM, in article 498b34b9$1@linux, "Rob Russell"
>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have finally set up my PARIS workstation in my home studio
>>>>>> without the original PARIS installation CD. I can record but don't
> have
>>>> a
>>>>>> clue about anything else. I have the introduction and reference manuals
>>>> but
>>>>>> don't have the tutorial files. I have alot of questions that will
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> be answered in the tutorial if I can find the files...Can anyone help
>>>> me
>>>>>> here?
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102449 is a reply to message #102448] |
Sun, 08 February 2009 13:43 |
Micha
Messages: 72
Registered: January 2009
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works perfectly now, Kerry! thanks a lot!
Micha
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Yikes! Thanks for the feedback, folks; perhaps that file manager doesn't
>like files that size.
>
>I've tried something more direct and it seems to be working on this end
-
>give the same page a try and see if it works better now.
>
> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Paris Demos
>
>- K
>
>On 2/8/09 7:37 AM, in article 498eee3d$1@linux, "Rob Russell"
><russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I can't extract the files I get either no files found or :
>> ---------------------------
>> Warning
>> ---------------------------
>> No archives found
>> ---------------------------
>> OK
>> --------------------------
>>
>> "Micha" <micha@nxtnet.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, me again.
>>>
>>> downloading the pdf works fine.
>>>
>>> greetz,
>>> Micha
>>>
>>> "Micha" <micha@nxtnet.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kerry!
>>>>
>>>> really good that you make these files available!
>>>>
>>>> When I click on the links, a 0kb file is being downloaded,
>>>> I use Firefox (newest version)... and I tried with Opera, same problem.
>>> Do
>>>> I have to use some download manager software?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much, It's always good to start at the beginning:)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Rob. Sorry for the delay - the tutorial files originally included
>> with
>>>>>> PARIS are now available for download here:
>>>>>> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Paris Demos
at
>> the
>>>>>> ParisWiki (
>>>>>> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=HomeP age
>>>>>> ). Hope they're useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Kerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/5/09 11:49 AM, in article 498b34b9$1@linux, "Rob Russell"
>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have finally set up my PARIS workstation in my home studio
>>>>>>> without the original PARIS installation CD. I can record but don't
>> have
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> clue about anything else. I have the introduction and reference manuals
>>>>> but
>>>>>>> don't have the tutorial files. I have alot of questions that will
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> be answered in the tutorial if I can find the files...Can anyone
help
>>>>> me
>>>>>>> here?
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102453 is a reply to message #102448] |
Sun, 08 February 2009 19:03 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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No DL manager here, worked fine.
AA
"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
news:C5B46865.19471%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
> Yikes! Thanks for the feedback, folks; perhaps that file manager doesn't
> like files that size.
>
> I've tried something more direct and it seems to be working on this end -
> give the same page a try and see if it works better now.
>
> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Paris Demos
>
> - K
>
> On 2/8/09 7:37 AM, in article 498eee3d$1@linux, "Rob Russell"
> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I can't extract the files I get either no files found or :
>> ---------------------------
>> Warning
>> ---------------------------
>> No archives found
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>> "Micha" <micha@nxtnet.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, me again.
>>>
>>> downloading the pdf works fine.
>>>
>>> greetz,
>>> Micha
>>>
>>> "Micha" <micha@nxtnet.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kerry!
>>>>
>>>> really good that you make these files available!
>>>>
>>>> When I click on the links, a 0kb file is being downloaded,
>>>> I use Firefox (newest version)... and I tried with Opera, same problem.
>>> Do
>>>> I have to use some download manager software?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rob Russell" <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much, It's always good to start at the beginning:)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Rob. Sorry for the delay - the tutorial files originally included
>> with
>>>>>> PARIS are now available for download here:
>>>>>> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Paris Demos at
>> the
>>>>>> ParisWiki (
>>>>>> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=HomeP age
>>>>>> ). Hope they're useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Kerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/5/09 11:49 AM, in article 498b34b9$1@linux, "Rob Russell"
>>>>>> <russellr@madriver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have finally set up my PARIS workstation in my home studio
>>>>>>> without the original PARIS installation CD. I can record but don't
>> have
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> clue about anything else. I have the introduction and reference
>>>>>>> manuals
>>>>> but
>>>>>>> don't have the tutorial files. I have alot of questions that will
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> be answered in the tutorial if I can find the files...Can anyone
>>>>>>> help
>>>>> me
>>>>>>> here?
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Paris Tutorial Files-Help! [message #102454 is a reply to message #102453] |
Sun, 08 February 2009 22:18 |
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On 2/8/09 7:03 PM, in article 498fa215@linux, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> No DL manager here, worked fine.
> AA
When Micha tried it, it was using the WikkaWiki {{files}} widget, which is
in php I believe. Php, it would seem, has some "issues" with large files
(something to do with the way it uses memory). Oh well, the direct links I
replaced it with seem to work fine.
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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