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lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76808] Wed, 06 December 2006 06:34 Go to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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Hi All

I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs into a
laptop...new or used

any suggestions
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76809 is a reply to message #76808] Wed, 06 December 2006 07:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nil is currently offline  Nil
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RME Multiface with the PCMCIA card?

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2 Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=mult iface&category0=&submitSearch=Search

There's a couple combos like this listed on e-bay.

Neil


"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Hi All
>
>I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs into
a
>laptop...new or used
>
>any suggestions
>
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76810 is a reply to message #76808] Wed, 06 December 2006 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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HI Don,
Haven't tried one of these yet but M-Audio's usually is pretty good.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html

Chris


Don Nafe wrote:

>Hi All
>
>I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs into a
>laptop...new or used
>
>any suggestions
>
>
>
>

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Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76811 is a reply to message #76808] Wed, 06 December 2006 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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does anyone make just a card for laptops?


"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4576d288@linux...
> Hi All
>
> I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs into
> a laptop...new or used
>
> any suggestions
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76813 is a reply to message #76808] Wed, 06 December 2006 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich[3] is currently offline  Rich[3]
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Emu 1616M will work also - I use one for portable recording with Cubase SX
and have had no problems...


"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Hi All
>
>I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs into
a
>laptop...new or used
>
>any suggestions
>
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76814 is a reply to message #76808] Wed, 06 December 2006 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nappy is currently offline  Nappy
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http://www.tcelectronic.com/Konnekt24D

Havent tried it,but it looks promising. It can also be used as a standalone
effects
unit. Street price is $399 I think? MOTU has a unit with the simalar spec
without
effects. http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/

respect
Nappy


"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Hi All
>
>I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs into
a
>laptop...new or used
>
>any suggestions
>
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76935 is a reply to message #76814] Mon, 11 December 2006 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich[3] is currently offline  Rich[3]
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When you make you choice please let us know. I'm always looking for something
better portable wise. Also if you can post what your running on etc.

Thanks

So far the Emu 1616M wit sx3 has worked well as portable solution for me...


"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.tcelectronic.com/Konnekt24D
>
>Havent tried it,but it looks promising. It can also be used as a standalone
>effects
>unit. Street price is $399 I think? MOTU has a unit with the simalar spec
>without
>effects. http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/
>
>respect
>Nappy
>
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Hi All
>>
>>I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs into
>a
>>laptop...new or used
>>
>>any suggestions
>>
>>
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76949 is a reply to message #76935] Mon, 11 December 2006 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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I’m having good luck with the M-Audio Profire Lightbridge. It works well with
my MacBook Pro, but it assumes that you don’t need the Firewire bandwidth
for hard drives or DSP (or that you have a second Firewire port.)



"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>When you make you choice please let us know. I'm always looking for something
>better portable wise. Also if you can post what your running on etc.
>
>Thanks
>
>So far the Emu 1616M wit sx3 has worked well as portable solution for me...
>
>
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>http://www.tcelectronic.com/Konnekt24D
>>
>>Havent tried it,but it looks promising. It can also be used as a standalone
>>effects
>>unit. Street price is $399 I think? MOTU has a unit with the simalar spec
>>without
>>effects. http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>Hi All
>>>
>>>I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs
into
>>a
>>>laptop...new or used
>>>
>>>any suggestions
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76951 is a reply to message #76949] Mon, 11 December 2006 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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Hey Gene! Is there any way you could test and give me an idea of the round
trip latency of the ProFire Lightbridge? I'm thinking about using one to
move tracks back and forth between Paris and Cubase SX for processing. I'm
sure FW will add latency, the question is, will it be impractical?

Thanks
James

"Gene Lennon" <glennon@nospMyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>I’m having good luck with the M-Audio Profire Lightbridge. It works well
with
>my MacBook Pro, but it assumes that you don’t need the Firewire bandwidth
>for hard drives or DSP (or that you have a second Firewire port.)
>
>
>
>"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>When you make you choice please let us know. I'm always looking for something
>>better portable wise. Also if you can post what your running on etc.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>So far the Emu 1616M wit sx3 has worked well as portable solution for me...
>>
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://www.tcelectronic.com/Konnekt24D
>>>
>>>Havent tried it,but it looks promising. It can also be used as a standalone
>>>effects
>>>unit. Street price is $399 I think? MOTU has a unit with the simalar
spec
>>>without
>>>effects. http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/
>>>
>>>respect
>>>Nappy
>>>
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>Hi All
>>>>
>>>>I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get adat and/or optical inputs
>into
>>>a
>>>>laptop...new or used
>>>>
>>>>any suggestions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76957 is a reply to message #76951] Mon, 11 December 2006 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gene Lennon[4] is currently offline  Gene Lennon[4]
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No problem, but you will need to wait a few days. The Lightbridge in part
of a complex mix setup right now and I don’t want to mess with it till I’m
finished.
Gene


"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Gene! Is there any way you could test and give me an idea of the round
>trip latency of the ProFire Lightbridge? I'm thinking about using one to
>move tracks back and forth between Paris and Cubase SX for processing.
I'm
>sure FW will add latency, the question is, will it be impractical?
>
>Thanks
>James
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #76982 is a reply to message #76957] Tue, 12 December 2006 22:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gene Lennon[4] is currently offline  Gene Lennon[4]
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>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Gene! Is there any way you could test and give me an idea of the round
>>trip latency of the ProFire Lightbridge? I'm thinking about using one
to
>>move tracks back and forth between Paris and Cubase SX for processing.

>I'm
>>sure FW will add latency, the question is, will it be impractical?
>>
>>Thanks
>>James
>>

This is the only test that I have had the time to check.
Snare on track one.
ADAT loop out and back.
Record snare on track two.
Track two is recorded 134 samples BEFORE track one?
Changing PT Hardware Buffer size had no effect.

Pro Tools M-Powered 7.3
ProFire Lightbridge V1.8.1-3

Gene
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77012 is a reply to message #76982] Wed, 13 December 2006 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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Hey Gene! It sounds like it could be usable if it's only around 3ms. I'm
wondering about multi tracks. Please let me know more when you find out.
What do you think of PT with it? Can you get 32 track of I/O in PT at 44.1,
48K? It was unclear if it is stuck at 18 I/Os with PT at 44.1/48.

Thanks
James

"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Gene! Is there any way you could test and give me an idea of the
round
>>>trip latency of the ProFire Lightbridge? I'm thinking about using one
>to
>>>move tracks back and forth between Paris and Cubase SX for processing.
>
>>I'm
>>>sure FW will add latency, the question is, will it be impractical?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>James
>>>
>
>This is the only test that I have had the time to check.
>Snare on track one.
>ADAT loop out and back.
>Record snare on track two.
>Track two is recorded 134 samples BEFORE track one?
>Changing PT Hardware Buffer size had no effect.
>
>Pro Tools M-Powered 7.3
>ProFire Lightbridge V1.8.1-3
>
>Gene
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77015 is a reply to message #77012] Wed, 13 December 2006 19:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Mullin is currently offline  Mike Mullin
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Hi Fella's,
I've recorded a couple of things with the Profire
Lightbridge and my macbook pro. I did a test recording
@ 24bit/48/khz, 24 track to the internal drive and
it did not hiccup at all for about 30 minutes.
The computer processor allowed me to monitor
with 128 samples latency in real time (no plugins).
I did a live recording of an R&B band off of my Yamaha
O1V96 (17 tracks @ 16bit/44.1khz) for 90 minutes no problem. For safety sake
I set the latency to 500 samples .I'm going to get an Express 34 card and
SATA
drive (7200rpm, 500 gig, 16 mb buffer) and I anticipate
no problem recording 32 trcks @ 24bit/48Khz.
cheers,
Mike
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Gene! It sounds like it could be usable if it's only around 3ms. I'm
>wondering about multi tracks. Please let me know more when you find out.
> What do you think of PT with it? Can you get 32 track of I/O in PT at
44.1,
>48K? It was unclear if it is stuck at 18 I/Os with PT at 44.1/48.
>
>Thanks
>James
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Gene! Is there any way you could test and give me an idea of the
>round
>>>>trip latency of the ProFire Lightbridge? I'm thinking about using one
>>to
>>>>move tracks back and forth between Paris and Cubase SX for processing.
>>
>>>I'm
>>>>sure FW will add latency, the question is, will it be impractical?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>James
>>>>
>>
>>This is the only test that I have had the time to check.
>>Snare on track one.
>>ADAT loop out and back.
>>Record snare on track two.
>>Track two is recorded 134 samples BEFORE track one?
>>Changing PT Hardware Buffer size had no effect.
>>
>>Pro Tools M-Powered 7.3
>>ProFire Lightbridge V1.8.1-3
>>
>>Gene
>>
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77016 is a reply to message #77012] Wed, 13 December 2006 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gene Lennon[4] is currently offline  Gene Lennon[4]
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Gene! It sounds like it could be usable if it's only around 3ms. I'm
>wondering about multi tracks. Please let me know more when you find out.
> What do you think of PT with it? Can you get 32 track of I/O in PT at
44.1,
>48K? It was unclear if it is stuck at 18 I/Os with PT at 44.1/48.
>
>Thanks
>James
>

I’m doing a mix right now that is stemming 16 out from PT to Paris for summing.


PT MP is hobbled at a max I/O of 18 by Digi, but it is possible to get a
“Paris” sounding mix with this setup even without more outputs.

The latency has no effect on this config. Paris is simply sitting there,
running in ‘Live Mix” mode. As usual, I am returning to the Mac for the 2-track
mix – in this instance its 2 channels in Pro Tools. Whatever the small amount
of latency is in this loop, it is not affecting my tightest mutes or delaying
any metering to the point that I can perceive it.

My choice for PT for this mix has to do with the complexity of the mix and
the fact that PT has the best options for editing and mix automation (for
me), and it integrates very nicely with my MotorMix.

I have the Oxford plugs running native in PT, so having an unlimited number
of Oxford plugs and Waves SSL plugs gives a lot of options. So far I like
this better than mixing from Logic or DP. The limited number of tracks (48
mono or stereo) and the limited I/O will force me to use other options in
some circumstances, but this setup benefits from many of Pro Tools strengths
and maintains most of the Paris depth. It’s what I’ve been preaching for
years.

I’m not sure I will have any way to verify the throughput latency. Both Performer
and Logic mess with the input timing just the way PT seems to do. I think
I’m out of options for verifying it, but I’m open for suggestions.

Gene

P.S. I’m also enjoying the Medodyne Plugin.
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77022 is a reply to message #77015] Wed, 13 December 2006 23:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gene Lennon[4] is currently offline  Gene Lennon[4]
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"Mike Mullin" <lunarlordship@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>Hi Fella's,
>I've recorded a couple of things with the Profire
>Lightbridge and my macbook pro. I did a test recording
>@ 24bit/48/khz, 24 track to the internal drive and
>it did not hiccup at all for about 30 minutes.
>The computer processor allowed me to monitor
>with 128 samples latency in real time (no plugins).
>I did a live recording of an R&B band off of my Yamaha
>O1V96 (17 tracks @ 16bit/44.1khz) for 90 minutes no problem. For safety
sake
>I set the latency to 500 samples .I'm going to get an Express 34 card and
>SATA
>drive (7200rpm, 500 gig, 16 mb buffer) and I anticipate
>no problem recording 32 trcks @ 24bit/48Khz.
>cheers,
>Mike


I’m getting some incredible numbers out of my MacBook Pro. I have gone over
130 tracks playback using my FirmTek RAID and Logic.
The LightBridge seems to work well with the FirmTek.
This is truly a studio under your arm.
I posted some results here:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80869
gene
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77023 is a reply to message #77016] Thu, 14 December 2006 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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Hey guys! Thanks for the info. Maybe Deej could pipe in with some test
ideas for the round trip thing.

Gene, are you sub mixing the PT 48 track down to 18 outs? At least there
are other software options for 32x34 I/Os.

Thanks again.

James


"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Gene! It sounds like it could be usable if it's only around 3ms.
I'm
>>wondering about multi tracks. Please let me know more when you find out.
>> What do you think of PT with it? Can you get 32 track of I/O in PT at
>44.1,
>>48K? It was unclear if it is stuck at 18 I/Os with PT at 44.1/48.
>>
>>Thanks
>>James
>>
>
>I’m doing a mix right now that is stemming 16 out from PT to Paris for summing.
>
>
>PT MP is hobbled at a max I/O of 18 by Digi, but it is possible to get a
>“Paris” sounding mix with this setup even without more outputs.
>
>The latency has no effect on this config. Paris is simply sitting there,
>running in ‘Live Mix” mode. As usual, I am returning to the Mac for the
2-track
>mix – in this instance its 2 channels in Pro Tools. Whatever the small amount
>of latency is in this loop, it is not affecting my tightest mutes or delaying
>any metering to the point that I can perceive it.
>
>My choice for PT for this mix has to do with the complexity of the mix and
>the fact that PT has the best options for editing and mix automation (for
>me), and it integrates very nicely with my MotorMix.
>
>I have the Oxford plugs running native in PT, so having an unlimited number
>of Oxford plugs and Waves SSL plugs gives a lot of options. So far I like
>this better than mixing from Logic or DP. The limited number of tracks (48
>mono or stereo) and the limited I/O will force me to use other options in
>some circumstances, but this setup benefits from many of Pro Tools strengths
>and maintains most of the Paris depth. It’s what I’ve been preaching for
>years.
>
>I’m not sure I will have any way to verify the throughput latency. Both
Performer
>and Logic mess with the input timing just the way PT seems to do. I think
>I’m out of options for verifying it, but I’m open for suggestions.
>
>Gene
>
>P.S. I’m also enjoying the Medodyne Plugin.
>
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77024 is a reply to message #77022] Thu, 14 December 2006 00:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"Mike Mullin" <lunarlordship@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Fella's,
>>I've recorded a couple of things with the Profire
>>Lightbridge and my macbook pro. I did a test recording
>>@ 24bit/48/khz, 24 track to the internal drive and
>>it did not hiccup at all for about 30 minutes.
>>The computer processor allowed me to monitor
>>with 128 samples latency in real time (no plugins).
>>I did a live recording of an R&B band off of my Yamaha
>>O1V96 (17 tracks @ 16bit/44.1khz) for 90 minutes no problem. For safety
>sake
>>I set the latency to 500 samples .I'm going to get an Express 34 card and
>>SATA
>>drive (7200rpm, 500 gig, 16 mb buffer) and I anticipate
>>no problem recording 32 trcks @ 24bit/48Khz.
>>cheers,
>>Mike
>
>
>I’m getting some incredible numbers out of my MacBook Pro. I have gone over
>130 tracks playback using my FirmTek RAID and Logic.
>The LightBridge seems to work well with the FirmTek.
>This is truly a studio under your arm.
>I posted some results here:
>http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80869
>gene
>

Gene, that is incredible!
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77025 is a reply to message #77023] Thu, 14 December 2006 00:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gene Lennon[4] is currently offline  Gene Lennon[4]
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Gene, are you sub mixing the PT 48 track down to 18 outs? At least there
>are other software options for 32x34 I/Os.
>
>Thanks again.
>
>James
>
>

Typically my most important 10 or12 tracks get individual outputs, that leaves
me two or three subs/stems.
When I’m working from Logic I go out 32 outs from my 2408 system to Paris.
Gene
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77030 is a reply to message #77025] Thu, 14 December 2006 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
IOUOI is currently offline  IOUOI
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Hey Gene... what type of remote recording are you doing with
your laptop, mostly? Live bands at clubs & festivals? Nearby
symphony orchestras with a lotta spot-micing?

Sounds like you have a serious out-of-studio setup there.

Neil





"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Gene, are you sub mixing the PT 48 track down to 18 outs? At least there
>>are other software options for 32x34 I/Os.
>>
>>Thanks again.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>
>Typically my most important 10 or12 tracks get individual outputs, that
leaves
>me two or three subs/stems.
>When I’m working from Logic I go out 32 outs from my 2408 system to Paris.
>Gene
Re: lightpipe/ADAT input for laptops [message #77033 is a reply to message #77030] Thu, 14 December 2006 07:46 Go to previous message
Gene Lennon[4] is currently offline  Gene Lennon[4]
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"Neil" <IOUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Gene... what type of remote recording are you doing with
>your laptop, mostly? Live bands at clubs & festivals? Nearby
>symphony orchestras with a lotta spot-micing?
>
>Sounds like you have a serious out-of-studio setup there.
>
>Neil
>

Running my MacBook Pro to see how far I could push it was primarily academic.
For my own production work 48 is typical with occasional songs going into
the 80-90-track range.
I don’t do a lot of traditional remote work. (I did when I was young.)
I have started many tracks in commercial studios over the years, and still
do. With this setup I can bring my laptop with reference tracks and click
tracks already prepped and just plug into the house converters and go. At
end of session unplug and leave.

I also wanted to take “works in progress” with me for editing, arranging
and even adding new parts when I’m away from my home setup. This is where
the power is important. If I am working on a song with 50 tracks and I want
to add a VSTI part or two, previous generations of laptops would fail. On
a recent session I was re-arranging the song on my laptop while the first
passes of the recording were starting. I had a new version of the song ready
with both tracks and sheet music to pass to the studios Pro Tools HD rig
and musicians in just a few minutes.

And when I’m at home I have one more very powerful computer that can be a
Logic Node, a rack of soft synths, or 20 convolution reverbs.

Gene
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