| Paris transfer [message #55488] |
Sat, 09 July 2005 20:05  |
Ricardo Gomez
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ression.
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> Second, who are these people that blame everyone but Saddam? I think
> it's widely recognized that Iraq had problems due to many sources. I
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| Re: Paris transfer [message #55501 is a reply to message #55500] |
Sun, 10 July 2005 08:06  |
justcron
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g how Bush-haters
>>>conveniently blame everyone but Saddam for Iraq's problems.
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>>Dedric, that's a straw man argument. First, who are "Bush haters"? I
>>think people here are interested in smart and effective policy
>>decisions. It's not about personalities, per se, that's a digression.
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>>Second, who are these people that blame everyone but Saddam? I think
>>it's widely recognized that Iraq had problems due to many sources. I
>>haven't heard anyone praising Saddam for enlightened leadership, except
>>that his repressions kept the competing fundamentalists and ethnic
>>groups in check. Another problem echoed around the world was the cold
>>war and how it played out in regional conflicts over the years. Then
>>there's oil, religious fundamentalism, competition between local
>>countries, corporate interests, the list goes on. A lot of things
>>happened to create the Iraq of Saddam.
>>
>>You should know that bringing up Clinton does not innoculate the
>>following administration. Mistakes can and are propogated across
>>multiple administrations. The allegation is that the current
>>administration took advantage of the no-fly policy to try to provoke a
>>war. If the previous administration was part of that, then so be it. If
>>not, so be it. Either way, the allegation should be looked at.
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>>We can hold ourselves to our professed high standard, and if we fall
>>short, admit our own mistakes. Of course, that does not mean we should
>>ignore mistakes from others in the world.
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>>It doesn't make our policies bett
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| Re: Paris transfer [message #55502 is a reply to message #55501] |
Sun, 10 July 2005 08:09 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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er to pretend it's all about "hating"
>>this or that administration. It's really all about creating policies
>>that help us move toward goals we all agree are important.
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>>>Certainly France, Germany and Russia were perfectly right to defy those
>>>sanctions to turn a profit in Iraq. Oh, that's right they aren't the US, so
>>>they can get away with it - they are politically correct by birthright - the
>>>US isn't.
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>>If we criticize one country, that does not make every other country
>>perfect. The current situation, and situations previous, came about due
>>to actions from people all over the world and in Iraq. Finding faults in
>>others, easy as that is, does not make our mistakes go away. Recognizing
>>the entire range of contributing factors and acting on that information
>>is the only way to improve our success rate in the future.
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>>Cheers,
>>-Jamie K
>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
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>>>On 7/8/05 1:38 PM, in article 42ced6d1$1@linux, "justcron"
>>><justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
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>>>>"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:42cebcb2@linux...
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>>>>
>>>>>Dear Uncle Ricky and Brother Bud,
>>>>>
>>>>>Please go back and read my posts carefully. They are not defending an
>>>>>attack
>>>>>due to WMD. I do think that it's possible that WMD did exist before we
>>>>>went
>>>>>in, but my posts are talking about violation of UN sanctions.
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| Re: Paris transfer [message #55544 is a reply to message #55498] |
Mon, 11 July 2005 06:59 |
Paul
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Registered: June 2005
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> >>>
> >>>Both sides of the circumstances sadden me - tyrannical rule is more
than
> >>>anyone should have to endure, and certainly would be more than most
> >>>Americans could bear in our desire to have no one guide, much less
> >
> > restrict
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> >>>our personal decisions; and if war is the only way to be free (as our
> >>>predecessors found in the 1700's), freedom comes at a high price. As a
> >>>country we've paid such a price many times - Rev. War, Civil War, WWI,
> >
> > WWII,
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> >>>Korea, Veitnam, etc. It never gets easy. It is never glorious. My
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> > hope
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> >>>now is that the outcome for the Iraqi people is freedom to make their
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> > own
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> >>>decisions about who governs them and how - free from tyranny, and free
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> > from
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> >>>anarchist insurgents. I'm just not sure many people think there is any
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> > cost
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> >>>worth paying anymore. After all, $2.39 a gallon or which movie to go
> >
> > see is
> >
> >>>about the highest cost most people have to weigh out here in the US (by
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