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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71779 is a reply to message #71776] |
Sun, 27 August 2006 11:58   |
excelav
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Well Deej, I think if we could take your PCs away for a year and you could
only use a Mac with OSX, I think you'd be hooked. If you had one of those
Mac Pro machines, we'd have a hell of a time getting it away from you. I
don't think you'd be talking about bloat. Like they say, once you go Mac
you never go back!
If we're back to the UNIX carnal thing, it's a moot point for Mac users,
that never slowed us down. If your talking bloated operating systems, Windows
is certainly more bloated than Mac OSX. Both systems can be stripped down,
the key is knowing how to do that.
Apple should give more options when installing. I think the language libraries
in OSX are bloat. I sure don't need five versions of Chinese, much less
one version of Chinese. However, they can be stripped out in minutes.
One thought would be if you could run the XP version of Paris on Mac OSX,
for the Mac guys. It might be more convenient, but I'm not sure that it
really makes any sense though.
Anyways, I just wanted to mention the Crossover Mac software for anybody
that would be interested. There are other companies that are working on
similar things that will be coming out in the next six months.
James
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Hmmmm..........now it this codeweavers bunch would figure out a way to run
>Steiny software on Linux, that would be fun. One of the *other* reasons
I
>don't like Macs is the OS and all of the bloat that I can't get rid of..
>;O)
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44f0b7d5$1@linux...
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>> Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without
>Windows.
>> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
>>
>> http://www.codeweavers.com/
>>
>> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>>
>>
>> Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the Tech
>Night
>> Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
>>
>> feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
>>
>>
>> Direct link:
>> http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
>>
>> James
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71780 is a reply to message #71779] |
Sun, 27 August 2006 14:22 |
Deej [1]
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But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced piece
of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement parts and
peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over windows
other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows (which
I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and peripherals.
;o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44f1eb5d$1@linux...
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> Well Deej, I think if we could take your PCs away for a year and you could
> only use a Mac with OSX, I think you'd be hooked. If you had one of those
> Mac Pro machines, we'd have a hell of a time getting it away from you. I
> don't think you'd be talking about bloat. Like they say, once you go Mac
> you never go back!
>
> If we're back to the UNIX carnal thing, it's a moot point for Mac users,
> that never slowed us down. If your talking bloated operating systems,
Windows
> is certainly more bloated than Mac OSX. Both systems can be stripped
down,
> the key is knowing how to do that.
>
> Apple should give more options when installing. I think the language
libraries
> in OSX are bloat. I sure don't need five versions of Chinese, much less
> one version of Chinese. However, they can be stripped out in minutes.
>
> One thought would be if you could run the XP version of Paris on Mac OSX,
> for the Mac guys. It might be more convenient, but I'm not sure that it
> really makes any sense though.
>
> Anyways, I just wanted to mention the Crossover Mac software for anybody
> that would be interested. There are other companies that are working on
> similar things that will be coming out in the next six months.
>
> James
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Hmmmm..........now it this codeweavers bunch would figure out a way to
run
> >Steiny software on Linux, that would be fun. One of the *other* reasons
> I
> >don't like Macs is the OS and all of the bloat that I can't get rid of..
> >;O)
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44f0b7d5$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without
> >Windows.
> >> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
> >>
> >> http://www.codeweavers.com/
> >>
> >> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the Tech
> >Night
> >> Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
> >>
> >> feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
> >>
> >>
> >> Direct link:
> >> http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71782 is a reply to message #71780] |
Sun, 27 August 2006 14:54 |
LaMont
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Actually, Mac replacement parts (Since the G4) have been the same parts as
the PC..Execpt for the CPU, the parts (video card, Hard Drives, CD/DVD drives,
USB,Firewire) are al compatible..
Same cheap parts.. It's only the Cases & OS that proprietary.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced piece
>of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement parts and
>peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over windows
>other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows (which
>I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and peripherals.
>
>;o)
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44f1eb5d$1@linux...
>>
>> Well Deej, I think if we could take your PCs away for a year and you could
>> only use a Mac with OSX, I think you'd be hooked. If you had one of those
>> Mac Pro machines, we'd have a hell of a time getting it away from you.
I
>> don't think you'd be talking about bloat. Like they say, once you go Mac
>> you never go back!
>>
>> If we're back to the UNIX carnal thing, it's a moot point for Mac users,
>> that never slowed us down. If your talking bloated operating systems,
>Windows
>> is certainly more bloated than Mac OSX. Both systems can be stripped
>down,
>> the key is knowing how to do that.
>>
>> Apple should give more options when installing. I think the language
>libraries
>> in OSX are bloat. I sure don't need five versions of Chinese, much less
>> one version of Chinese. However, they can be stripped out in minutes.
>>
>> One thought would be if you could run the XP version of Paris on Mac OSX,
>> for the Mac guys. It might be more convenient, but I'm not sure that
it
>> really makes any sense though.
>>
>> Anyways, I just wanted to mention the Crossover Mac software for anybody
>> that would be interested. There are other companies that are working
on
>> similar things that will be coming out in the next six months.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Hmmmm..........now it this codeweavers bunch would figure out a way to
>run
>> >Steiny software on Linux, that would be fun. One of the *other* reasons
>> I
>> >don't like Macs is the OS and all of the bloat that I can't get rid of..
>> >;O)
>> >
>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:44f0b7d5$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without
>> >Windows.
>> >> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.codeweavers.com/
>> >>
>> >> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the
Tech
>> >Night
>> >> Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
>> >>
>> >> feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Direct link:
>> >> http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71784 is a reply to message #71782] |
Sun, 27 August 2006 15:51 |
Deej [1]
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Really???...........????
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f2148a$1@linux...
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> Actually, Mac replacement parts (Since the G4) have been the same parts as
> the PC..Execpt for the CPU, the parts (video card, Hard Drives, CD/DVD
drives,
> USB,Firewire) are al compatible..
> Same cheap parts.. It's only the Cases & OS that proprietary.
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
piece
> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement parts
and
> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
windows
> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
(which
> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and peripherals.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44f1eb5d$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Well Deej, I think if we could take your PCs away for a year and you
could
> >> only use a Mac with OSX, I think you'd be hooked. If you had one of
those
> >> Mac Pro machines, we'd have a hell of a time getting it away from you.
> I
> >> don't think you'd be talking about bloat. Like they say, once you go
Mac
> >> you never go back!
> >>
> >> If we're back to the UNIX carnal thing, it's a moot point for Mac
users,
> >> that never slowed us down. If your talking bloated operating systems,
> >Windows
> >> is certainly more bloated than Mac OSX. Both systems can be stripped
> >down,
> >> the key is knowing how to do that.
> >>
> >> Apple should give more options when installing. I think the language
> >libraries
> >> in OSX are bloat. I sure don't need five versions of Chinese, much
less
> >> one version of Chinese. However, they can be stripped out in minutes.
> >>
> >> One thought would be if you could run the XP version of Paris on Mac
OSX,
> >> for the Mac guys. It might be more convenient, but I'm not sure that
> it
> >> really makes any sense though.
> >>
> >> Anyways, I just wanted to mention the Crossover Mac software for
anybody
> >> that would be interested. There are other companies that are working
> on
> >> similar things that will be coming out in the next six months.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >Hmmmm..........now it this codeweavers bunch would figure out a way to
> >run
> >> >Steiny software on Linux, that would be fun. One of the *other*
reasons
> >> I
> >> >don't like Macs is the OS and all of the bloat that I can't get rid
of..
> >> >;O)
> >> >
> >> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:44f0b7d5$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without
> >> >Windows.
> >> >> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.codeweavers.com/
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the
> Tech
> >> >Night
> >> >> Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
> >> >>
> >> >> feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Direct link:
> >> >> http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
> >> >>
> >> >> James
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71785 is a reply to message #71781] |
Sun, 27 August 2006 16:23 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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On the pro computing side, A Mac Pro is comparably priced to the Dell, but
you can run Windows and Mac O/S, on the Mac. Many guys have dropped faster
processors in the Mac Mini. The MOBO is the only thing that you can't upgrade
easily on a Mac. You could always replace it with a PC MOBO, though. If
a company put out a cheap Mac compatible MOBO that would sure change everything,
but that is not likely to happen. If a company backwards engineered the
Apple ROM chips like Compaq did with the IBM ROM, they would make a lot of
money.
The one area Apple is missing the boat is the cheap mini tower with PCI slots.
If you could buy a Mac Mini tower for $499.00 that could run Widows and
Mac O/S, would you? Or would you still complain that you can get a PC for
$299.00? You see no matter what Apple does, people will still bitch and
say Apple sucks.
Until you use both platforms for some time you won't really know.
James
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>Wow!! This is even greater news than Bootcamp. I hope they get this thing
>out to market. Having the ability to tun Logic Audio-OSx, Nuendo(Pc Version)
>& Samplitude . As well as the some of the other cool Mac OS-x features,
on
>the same Machine, makes for better work flow..
>
>Note: Apple should lift the Apple OS-x only version of Logic Audio if it
>is to survive. As it stands today, they are losing groud big time when they
>made that move. Cross platform compatibility is the name of the game. And,
>while they're at it, make all of their apps (including OSX) PC compatible..
>
>Let's run OSX on a DELL..???
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows.
>> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
>>
>>http://www.codeweavers.com/
>>
>>http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>>
>>
>>Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the Tech
>Night
>>Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
>>
>>feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
>>
>>
>>Direct link:
>>http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
>>
>>James
>>
>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71807 is a reply to message #71784] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 01:44 |
rick
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especially on the new intel macs with socketed mobos that allow for
cpu swap.
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:51:52 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Really???...........????
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f2148a$1@linux...
>>
>> Actually, Mac replacement parts (Since the G4) have been the same parts as
>> the PC..Execpt for the CPU, the parts (video card, Hard Drives, CD/DVD
>drives,
>> USB,Firewire) are al compatible..
>> Same cheap parts.. It's only the Cases & OS that proprietary.
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>piece
>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement parts
>and
>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>windows
>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>(which
>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and peripherals.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:44f1eb5d$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Well Deej, I think if we could take your PCs away for a year and you
>could
>> >> only use a Mac with OSX, I think you'd be hooked. If you had one of
>those
>> >> Mac Pro machines, we'd have a hell of a time getting it away from you.
>> I
>> >> don't think you'd be talking about bloat. Like they say, once you go
>Mac
>> >> you never go back!
>> >>
>> >> If we're back to the UNIX carnal thing, it's a moot point for Mac
>users,
>> >> that never slowed us down. If your talking bloated operating systems,
>> >Windows
>> >> is certainly more bloated than Mac OSX. Both systems can be stripped
>> >down,
>> >> the key is knowing how to do that.
>> >>
>> >> Apple should give more options when installing. I think the language
>> >libraries
>> >> in OSX are bloat. I sure don't need five versions of Chinese, much
>less
>> >> one version of Chinese. However, they can be stripped out in minutes.
>> >>
>> >> One thought would be if you could run the XP version of Paris on Mac
>OSX,
>> >> for the Mac guys. It might be more convenient, but I'm not sure that
>> it
>> >> really makes any sense though.
>> >>
>> >> Anyways, I just wanted to mention the Crossover Mac software for
>anybody
>> >> that would be interested. There are other companies that are working
>> on
>> >> similar things that will be coming out in the next six months.
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >Hmmmm..........now it this codeweavers bunch would figure out a way to
>> >run
>> >> >Steiny software on Linux, that would be fun. One of the *other*
>reasons
>> >> I
>> >> >don't like Macs is the OS and all of the bloat that I can't get rid
>of..
>> >> >;O)
>> >> >
>> >> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:44f0b7d5$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without
>> >> >Windows.
>> >> >> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.codeweavers.com/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the
>> Tech
>> >> >Night
>> >> >> Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Direct link:
>> >> >> http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
>> >> >>
>> >> >> James
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71815 is a reply to message #71812] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 07:05 |
TCB
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Of course it can't run anything that needs direct hardware access, and that's
not likely to change soon. But it _does_ run 90% of the Windows software
someone might need. For example, my workplace is a hardcore Windows shop
except on the server side where I've snuck in some linux and Apache. So I
have to use Outlook, and the entire office suite installs quite nicely via
winetools and wine. Also, it's possible to assign the M$oft pptp protocol
only to Outlook, so my entire work network isn't exposed to my home network
when I want to check my email. For other software that works under wine,
most of the Adobe apps, development IDEs, web design, even some games reportedly,
though I don't do any gaming.
My point was only that Windows emulation is alive and (fairly) well over
here in the _real_ alternative OS, and it's GPL'd and getting better all
the time.
TCB
"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>Hey,
>
>At least you know that this is just WINE :-)
>
>For those who don't know, it's a windows API emulator, and outside of the
>list of tested, "approved" applications it doesn't run much else (of any
>complexity) reliably. Since it's an emulator it's definitely not for multitrack
>audio apps :-)
>
>Chuck
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>apt-get install winetools
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows.
>>> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
>>>
>>>http://www.codeweavers.com/
>>>
>>>http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the Tech
>>Night
>>>Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
>>>
>>>feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
>>>
>>>
>>>Direct link:
>>>http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71816 is a reply to message #71815] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 08:11 |
chuck duffy
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Don't get me wrong, it's great for most office apps, and I run it under suse.
Chuck
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Of course it can't run anything that needs direct hardware access, and that's
>not likely to change soon. But it _does_ run 90% of the Windows software
>someone might need. For example, my workplace is a hardcore Windows shop
>except on the server side where I've snuck in some linux and Apache. So
I
>have to use Outlook, and the entire office suite installs quite nicely via
>winetools and wine. Also, it's possible to assign the M$oft pptp protocol
>only to Outlook, so my entire work network isn't exposed to my home network
>when I want to check my email. For other software that works under wine,
>most of the Adobe apps, development IDEs, web design, even some games reportedly,
>though I don't do any gaming.
>
>My point was only that Windows emulation is alive and (fairly) well over
>here in the _real_ alternative OS, and it's GPL'd and getting better all
>the time.
>
>TCB
>
>"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey,
>>
>>At least you know that this is just WINE :-)
>>
>>For those who don't know, it's a windows API emulator, and outside of the
>>list of tested, "approved" applications it doesn't run much else (of any
>>complexity) reliably. Since it's an emulator it's definitely not for multitrack
>>audio apps :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>apt-get install winetools
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without
Windows.
>>>> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.codeweavers.com/
>>>>
>>>>http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the Tech
>>>Night
>>>>Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
>>>>
>>>>feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Direct link:
>>>>http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71823 is a reply to message #71816] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 10:19 |
TCB
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Certainly useful to have for those couple of apps that don't have good counterparts
in the linux world, or which are really picky about file types.
I've used SuSE some myself, mostly when a) the user had a preference for
KDE and I think SuSE does K by far the best, or b) it was a laptop. Until
Ubuntu got their laptop work up to snuff (Dapper really, but Breezy was a
big step up) I'd almost always try SuSE first and if that didn't work then
I'd dig in my heels and fight it out with Debian. I think I even have our
mail relay running on SuSE because every now and then I want a package and
I type apt-get and the little bastard gets all confused ;-)
TCB
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>Don't get me wrong, it's great for most office apps, and I run it under
suse.
>
>Chuck
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Of course it can't run anything that needs direct hardware access, and
that's
>>not likely to change soon. But it _does_ run 90% of the Windows software
>>someone might need. For example, my workplace is a hardcore Windows shop
>>except on the server side where I've snuck in some linux and Apache. So
>I
>>have to use Outlook, and the entire office suite installs quite nicely
via
>>winetools and wine. Also, it's possible to assign the M$oft pptp protocol
>>only to Outlook, so my entire work network isn't exposed to my home network
>>when I want to check my email. For other software that works under wine,
>>most of the Adobe apps, development IDEs, web design, even some games reportedly,
>>though I don't do any gaming.
>>
>>My point was only that Windows emulation is alive and (fairly) well over
>>here in the _real_ alternative OS, and it's GPL'd and getting better all
>>the time.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey,
>>>
>>>At least you know that this is just WINE :-)
>>>
>>>For those who don't know, it's a windows API emulator, and outside of
the
>>>list of tested, "approved" applications it doesn't run much else (of any
>>>complexity) reliably. Since it's an emulator it's definitely not for
multitrack
>>>audio apps :-)
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>apt-get install winetools
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without
>Windows.
>>>>> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.codeweavers.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the Tech
>>>>Night
>>>>>Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
>>>>>
>>>>>feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Direct link:
>>>>>http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71831 is a reply to message #71823] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 13:04 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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I really like SUSE. I had never touched linux in my life until last year.
I bought a boxed copy of 9.1 (including very useful manuals) and set it up
dual boot on my two laptops.
It took about 1 hour per laptop, including getting the wireless configured
and including all the major browsers, open office, and about 1000 other apps
:-)
I have to say that Open Office has come a long, long way, extremely usable,
stable and not missing any features that I use.
It took me quite a bit longer to get the MONO environment and compiler up
and running, that's why I got into SUSE first - as it comes with a mono distro.
I did however go on to research several other linux distros that are capable
of running off CF cards. This is for use in low cost public information display
system clients driving large flat panel displays in Airports, Train stations,
etc.
My favorite of that breed was Puppy linux. It can boot off a 128M USB stick
and creates a ram disk for temp files. We found that we can build the entire
client, including hardware for about $350 bucks.
Chuck
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Certainly useful to have for those couple of apps that don't have good counterparts
>in the linux world, or which are really picky about file types.
>
>I've used SuSE some myself, mostly when a) the user had a preference for
>KDE and I think SuSE does K by far the best, or b) it was a laptop. Until
>Ubuntu got their laptop work up to snuff (Dapper really, but Breezy was
a
>big step up) I'd almost always try SuSE first and if that didn't work then
>I'd dig in my heels and fight it out with Debian. I think I even have our
>mail relay running on SuSE because every now and then I want a package and
>I type apt-get and the little bastard gets all confused ;-)
>
>TCB
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Don't get me wrong, it's great for most office apps, and I run it under
>suse.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Of course it can't run anything that needs direct hardware access, and
>that's
>>>not likely to change soon. But it _does_ run 90% of the Windows software
>>>someone might need. For example, my workplace is a hardcore Windows shop
>>>except on the server side where I've snuck in some linux and Apache. So
>>I
>>>have to use Outlook, and the entire office suite installs quite nicely
>via
>>>winetools and wine. Also, it's possible to assign the M$oft pptp protocol
>>>only to Outlook, so my entire work network isn't exposed to my home network
>>>when I want to check my email. For other software that works under wine,
>>>most of the Adobe apps, development IDEs, web design, even some games
reportedly,
>>>though I don't do any gaming.
>>>
>>>My point was only that Windows emulation is alive and (fairly) well over
>>>here in the _real_ alternative OS, and it's GPL'd and getting better all
>>>the time.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey,
>>>>
>>>>At least you know that this is just WINE :-)
>>>>
>>>>For those who don't know, it's a windows API emulator, and outside of
>the
>>>>list of tested, "approved" applications it doesn't run much else (of
any
>>>>complexity) reliably. Since it's an emulator it's definitely not for
>multitrack
>>>>audio apps :-)
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>apt-get install winetools
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Soon you will be able to run Windows applications on Mac OSX without
>>Windows.
>>>>>> The day Apple does this it will change a lot of things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.codeweavers.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jeremy White, President & CEO of CodeWeavers talks about it on the
Tech
>>>>>Night
>>>>>>Owl Live Pod cast July 13th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>feed://www.techbroadcasting.com/nightowl.xml
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Direct link:
>>>>>>http://techbroadcasting.com/podcasts/nightowl_060713.mp3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71885 is a reply to message #71875] |
Tue, 29 August 2006 20:09 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
;o)
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:44f4e183@linux...
> Not so fast :).
>
> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time I've
> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already discounted
in
> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time I
> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around in
their
> warranty.
>
> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually offers
> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP writer,
> Robert Weston.
>
> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell going
at
> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>
> AA
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44f49f22@linux...
> >
> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>FWIW-
> >>
> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
their
> > 3 year warranty.
> >
> >
> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
overpriced
> >>>piece
> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
parts
> >>>and
> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
> >>>windows
> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
Windows
> >>>(which
> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
> >>>> >peripherals.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >;o)
> >>>> >
> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
> > what
> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
> > from
> >>>> your comments.
> >>>> ;o)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
> >>>
> >>>;o)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71895 is a reply to message #71884] |
Wed, 30 August 2006 07:24 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Why would anyone want to buy a Dell for audio?
Precisely-
Though I actually know 2 studios that run Dells (one does one level
below major label stuff, the other does Imax Post - one of the top
2 or 3 in the world-) the point in adding this article to the discussion
is simply to hilight that Macs aren't (anymore) ridiculously overpriced
hardware boxes requiring rediculously overpriced replacenemt parts
to repair.
Dells have the public perception (rightly or wrongly) of being decent,
working machines configured and tested to suit the needs of the mainstream.
Since Macs hace been labelled overpriced & elitist, it's significant that
they are now
less costly, or at least in the same ballpark as, such a mainstream
competitor.
I could care less which platform anyone chooses to use for whatever it is
they do, but when I went to price out "Audio" PCs for a Nuendo setup, comparable
configs to the Macs I had already for Logic (and on another box, for Paris)
ended up costing either just about the same, or (usually) more...
FWIW again
Ted
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Why would anyone want to buy a Dell for audio?
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44f49f22@linux...
>>
>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >FWIW-
>> >
>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>> >
>> >
>>
>> So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for their
>> 3 year warranty.
>>
>>
>> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>> >>piece
>> >>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>parts
>> >>and
>> >>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>> >>windows
>> >>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>> >>(which
>> >>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>> >>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>peripherals.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >;o)
>> >>> >
>> >>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
>> what
>> >>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
>> from
>> >>> your comments.
>> >>> ;o)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>> >>
>> >>;o)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71911 is a reply to message #71885] |
Wed, 30 August 2006 12:24 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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I love Dell machines. And theyhave thee best warranties on the planet.ANd
I build Custom audio PC's.
See, it depends on What dell model line you're talking about. But, I would
say the even your run of the Mill 499.00 dell, with a secod Hard drive can
and will give you at least 100 tracls with loads of Plugs..
Now, there high-end workstations(That have been speced) by Digidesign, are
some of the best machines out there.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
>works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
>
>;o)
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>news:44f4e183@linux...
>> Not so fast :).
>>
>> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
>> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time
I've
>> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already discounted
>in
>> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time I
>> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around in
>their
>> warranty.
>>
>> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually offers
>> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP writer,
>> Robert Weston.
>>
>> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell going
>at
>> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:44f49f22@linux...
>> >
>> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>FWIW-
>> >>
>> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
>their
>> > 3 year warranty.
>> >
>> >
>> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
>overpriced
>> >>>piece
>> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>parts
>> >>>and
>> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
over
>> >>>windows
>> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
>Windows
>> >>>(which
>> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece
of
>> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>> >>>> >peripherals.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >;o)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you
saw
>> > what
>> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
>> > from
>> >>>> your comments.
>> >>>> ;o)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>> >>>
>> >>>;o)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71913 is a reply to message #71911] |
Fri, 25 August 2006 15:09 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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OK!!! OK!!!.........uncle!!!!.......(I'd still rather roll my own though)
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e5d2$1@linux...
>
> I love Dell machines. And theyhave thee best warranties on the planet.ANd
> I build Custom audio PC's.
>
> See, it depends on What dell model line you're talking about. But, I would
> say the even your run of the Mill 499.00 dell, with a secod Hard drive can
> and will give you at least 100 tracls with loads of Plugs..
>
> Now, there high-end workstations(That have been speced) by Digidesign, are
> some of the best machines out there.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
> >works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> >news:44f4e183@linux...
> >> Not so fast :).
> >>
> >> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
> >> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time
> I've
> >> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already
discounted
> >in
> >> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time I
> >> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around in
> >their
> >> warranty.
> >>
> >> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually
offers
> >> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP
writer,
> >> Robert Weston.
> >>
> >> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell
going
> >at
> >> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
> >>
> >> AA
> >>
> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:44f49f22@linux...
> >> >
> >> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>FWIW-
> >> >>
> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
> >their
> >> > 3 year warranty.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
> >overpriced
> >> >>>piece
> >> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
> >parts
> >> >>>and
> >> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
> over
> >> >>>windows
> >> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
> >Windows
> >> >>>(which
> >> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece
> of
> >> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
> >> >>>> >peripherals.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >;o)
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you
> saw
> >> > what
> >> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one
"ridiculously"
> >> > from
> >> >>>> your comments.
> >> >>>> ;o)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
> >> >>>
> >> >>>;o)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71918 is a reply to message #71913] |
Wed, 30 August 2006 18:23 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Senior Member |
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>OK!!! OK!!!.........uncle!!!!.......(I'd still rather roll my own though)
Very cool. (that you'd still rather roll your own)
T
>
>;o)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e5d2$1@linux...
>>
>> I love Dell machines. And theyhave thee best warranties on the planet.ANd
>> I build Custom audio PC's.
>>
>> See, it depends on What dell model line you're talking about. But, I would
>> say the even your run of the Mill 499.00 dell, with a secod Hard drive
can
>> and will give you at least 100 tracls with loads of Plugs..
>>
>> Now, there high-end workstations(That have been speced) by Digidesign,
are
>> some of the best machines out there.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
>> >works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> >news:44f4e183@linux...
>> >> Not so fast :).
>> >>
>> >> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
>> >> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time
>> I've
>> >> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already
>discounted
>> >in
>> >> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time
I
>> >> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around
in
>> >their
>> >> warranty.
>> >>
>> >> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually
>offers
>> >> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP
>writer,
>> >> Robert Weston.
>> >>
>> >> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell
>going
>> >at
>> >> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>> >>
>> >> AA
>> >>
>> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:44f49f22@linux...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>FWIW-
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
>> >their
>> >> > 3 year warranty.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
>> >overpriced
>> >> >>>piece
>> >> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>> >parts
>> >> >>>and
>> >> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
>> over
>> >> >>>windows
>> >> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
>> >Windows
>> >> >>>(which
>> >> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece
>> of
>> >> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>> >> >>>> >peripherals.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >;o)
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you
>> saw
>> >> > what
>> >> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one
>"ridiculously"
>> >> > from
>> >> >>>> your comments.
>> >> >>>> ;o)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>;o)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71928 is a reply to message #71918] |
Thu, 31 August 2006 01:57 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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you don't think he came up with those studio configs straight did ya?
On 31 Aug 2006 11:23:42 +1000, "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com>
wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>OK!!! OK!!!.........uncle!!!!.......(I'd still rather roll my own though)
>
>Very cool. (that you'd still rather roll your own)
>
>T
>
>
>
>
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e5d2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I love Dell machines. And theyhave thee best warranties on the planet.ANd
>>> I build Custom audio PC's.
>>>
>>> See, it depends on What dell model line you're talking about. But, I would
>>> say the even your run of the Mill 499.00 dell, with a secod Hard drive
>can
>>> and will give you at least 100 tracls with loads of Plugs..
>>>
>>> Now, there high-end workstations(That have been speced) by Digidesign,
>are
>>> some of the best machines out there.
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
>>> >works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
>>> >
>>> >;o)
>>> >
>>> >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> >news:44f4e183@linux...
>>> >> Not so fast :).
>>> >>
>>> >> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
>>> >> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time
>>> I've
>>> >> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already
>>discounted
>>> >in
>>> >> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time
>I
>>> >> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around
>in
>>> >their
>>> >> warranty.
>>> >>
>>> >> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually
>>offers
>>> >> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP
>>writer,
>>> >> Robert Weston.
>>> >>
>>> >> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell
>>going
>>> >at
>>> >> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>>> >>
>>> >> AA
>>> >>
>>> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:44f49f22@linux...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>FWIW-
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
>>> >their
>>> >> > 3 year warranty.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
>>> >overpriced
>>> >> >>>piece
>>> >> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>>> >parts
>>> >> >>>and
>>> >> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
>>> over
>>> >> >>>windows
>>> >> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
>>> >Windows
>>> >> >>>(which
>>> >> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece
>>> of
>>> >> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>>> >> >>>> >peripherals.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >;o)
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you
>>> saw
>>> >> > what
>>> >> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one
>>"ridiculously"
>>> >> > from
>>> >> >>>> your comments.
>>> >> >>>> ;o)
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>;o)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71930 is a reply to message #71928] |
Thu, 31 August 2006 05:23 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>you don't think he came up with those studio configs straight did ya?
>
hehehe
>On 31 Aug 2006 11:23:42 +1000, "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>OK!!! OK!!!.........uncle!!!!.......(I'd still rather roll my own though)
>>
>>Very cool. (that you'd still rather roll your own)
>>
>>T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e5d2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I love Dell machines. And theyhave thee best warranties on the planet.ANd
>>>> I build Custom audio PC's.
>>>>
>>>> See, it depends on What dell model line you're talking about. But, I
would
>>>> say the even your run of the Mill 499.00 dell, with a secod Hard drive
>>can
>>>> and will give you at least 100 tracls with loads of Plugs..
>>>>
>>>> Now, there high-end workstations(That have been speced) by Digidesign,
>>are
>>>> some of the best machines out there.
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a
Dell
>>>> >works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
>>>> >
>>>> >;o)
>>>> >
>>>> >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>> >news:44f4e183@linux...
>>>> >> Not so fast :).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be
very
>>>> >> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only
time
>>>> I've
>>>> >> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already
>>>discounted
>>>> >in
>>>> >> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time
>>I
>>>> >> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around
>>in
>>>> >their
>>>> >> warranty.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually
>>>offers
>>>> >> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP
>>>writer,
>>>> >> Robert Weston.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell
>>>going
>>>> >at
>>>> >> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> AA
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:44f49f22@linux...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>FWIW-
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay
for
>>>> >their
>>>> >> > 3 year warranty.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
>>>> >overpriced
>>>> >> >>>piece
>>>> >> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>>>> >parts
>>>> >> >>>and
>>>> >> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
>>>> over
>>>> >> >>>windows
>>>> >> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
>>>> >Windows
>>>> >> >>>(which
>>>> >> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece
>>>> of
>>>> >> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>>>> >> >>>> >peripherals.
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> >;o)
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and
you
>>>> saw
>>>> >> > what
>>>> >> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one
>>>"ridiculously"
>>>> >> > from
>>>> >> >>>> your comments.
>>>> >> >>>> ;o)
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>;o)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Run Windows applications on Mac OSX without Windows. [message #71948 is a reply to message #71884] |
Thu, 31 August 2006 23:35 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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I think it's nice to have the option to run what ever you need on a Mac.
For mobile computing it would be great to have the option to run Windows
software with out Windows. At home/office I would still prefer to run Windows
software on a PC.
If all things were equal price wise, do you guys think it would be an advantage
in the studio to have a computer that could run both Mac and PC software?
The cost factor. I don't think this Apple price advantage thing is going
to last. I think Dell will rob Peter to pay Paul and kick Apples butt before
too long on the price thing. Dell sells a lot more computers than Apple
does. Anyways, here is another article. I'm wondering how true it is.
http://www.architosh.com/news/2006-08/2006a0828_dell-v-macpr o.html
I was reading some where on the net, where their was a debate about the
cost factor. Somebody stated that they could build a PC with the same configuration
as the Mac Pro for about a thousand dollars. Another guy pointed out that
the processors alone are about $1500.00. Another guy pointed out that the
DIY guys need to add in $299.00 on top of their hardware estimates for Microsoft
XP pro to be fair, because they usually don't.
Another guy was saying that when he built a PC and had problems with components
working properly. He called the manufacturer and they blamed Microsoft,
when he called Microsoft they blamed the manufacturer. He could never get
either one of them to take responsibility and warranty the products. His
claim was that he had problems with multi components that were never resolved,
and he spent a lot of time on the phone and a lot of time trying to fix the
problems himself. I'm sure that this is only one guys bad experience. I
know I haven't had those kind of problems with my home built PCs yet, however,
the warranty issue is something to consider.
I still don't see any thing on the prebuilt PC side that is on the level
of the Mac Pro, as far as features / price. I guess the debate will go on.
I for one hope that Apple puts out a cheaper tower capable of doing some
serious A/V work.
James
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Why would anyone want to buy a Dell for audio?
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44f49f22@linux...
>>
>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >FWIW-
>> >
>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>> >
>> >
>>
>> So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for their
>> 3 year warranty.
>>
>>
>> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>> >>piece
>> >>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>parts
>> >>and
>> >>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>> >>windows
>> >>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>> >>(which
>> >>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>> >>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>peripherals.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >;o)
>> >>> >
>> >>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
>> what
>> >>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
>> from
>> >>> your comments.
>> >>> ;o)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>> >>
>> >>;o)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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