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Philip is currently offline  Philip   UNITED STATES
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MIKE! You did it! I am so excited for your efforts and the impending success.

Perfect timing too! My 6 year old system that have been using to run Paris with Win 7 32 just died, so it is time to replace and reload Paris.

Thanks for everything you have done on this project specifically and your helping to keep this GREAT DAW going this strong, this long after it was dumped by ID.

You are the man....

-Phil
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I agree with all these great posts regarding Mike and his dedication to "Paris" !!
Really here to support him and his efforts, the best I can !!
Dimitrios
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Philip is currently offline  Philip   UNITED STATES
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Mike,
I have seen some of your other posts about your distaste with Windows 8. Any chance the new drivers will work under win8 64?

I have done dual boot before and it isn't an issue, but just wondering.


Thanks,

Phil
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Hi Phil,

It should work under Windows 8 64 just fine. I just won't be trying it.

For an update: I got together with a semi-local PARIS user yesterday, and we had some trouble getting the driver to work on his Core i7 based system. The way I'm exposing the hardware memory to the PSCL didn't work on his computer even though it works perfectly on mine. I've got another solution 99% done, and I'm hoping it clears up the issue on his PC. I hope to know by the end of the weekend.

The installer worked almost perfectly. The registry entries, path update, PARIS 2 and 3 installs, and the PSCL install all worked perfectly. The new control panel for the driver installed, but wouldn't open. The scherzo drivers didn't install for some reason, but we were able to get them going manually. I'll be looking into these things.

That's the latest. It's getting there.

All the best,

Mike
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So glad about all these Mike !!
Just looking forward into it !
My respect to you for your phenomenal dedication and knowledge abilities and "Paris spirit" !!
Regards,
Dimitrios
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Philip is currently offline  Philip   UNITED STATES
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Thanks Mike. Very exciting. Let me me know if there is anything I can do to help beyond cheer leading and in the mean time, I will keep my Paypal account ready!

Thanks for all your effort and enthusiasm.

-Phil
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Thanks, guys!

I just got the alternate way of sharing the memory working - just in time - Izzie is just about to wake up.

Here's hoping it works on the Intel machine.

Cheers!

Mike
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The memory fix worked! We are all systems go. I just have to fix one issue with the installer, and we're ready to launch.

Cheers!

Mike
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wow!
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Amazing !!!!!!!!
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Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Hey Folks!!

I'm using this new version and I'm loving it!

Smooth, stable and quick.

I still need to sort out installing my most important VST plugs (not so good at this sort of thing), and I'm playing around with some internal and external bussing options, but this is really great.

Mike has done a fantastic job of this. Though I'm not a full time mix engineer, I've made my living with my ears for 30 years in the music business, and for me, Paris is the closest ITB solution to mixing on a real console. I'm hybrid'ing it with external inserts and want to add a summing box or modded small console at some point, but to get a "better" result using any other approach, a whole lot more money would need to be spent.

For those of you still using Paris, I highly recommend this update.

Best

Ted

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mikeaudet   CANADA
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Hi Ted,

I've got to get you a release build of the PSCL - it will get even better.

The 64 bit driver isn't just the last release, but 64 bits. I've been making improvements all over it for the last several years.

Thanks for the kind words!

Mike
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Hey Mike,

This is outstanding. I knew you could do it! I am ready to make the Win 7 jump as soon as you get the new drivers released.

Will Cubase chase to Paris internally as it does in my XP machine via MTC if they're both 64bit apps? If not what's the best work around? I'm thinking hardware would involve two midi boxes, one for each application.

Your dedication is over the top and deserves more than just money as a reward. You and your family are always welcome here in the Boston area just let me know.

Gratefully,
Tom
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Hi Tom,

Thanks for the kind words. Smile

The PARIS PThru driver is included, but it is a 32 bit "user install" driver, which means that only 32 bit apps can talk to it. The PARIS app remains 32 bit, so it works with the PThru driver. I may be able to extend it so that a 64 bit app could use it, too. But for now, as long as both apps are 32 bit, you can sync via MTC as usual.

As a work around, I found an application called "loop MIDI" that allows dynamically adding MIDI ports in Windows 7 64. I think that would allow synching between a 32 bit app and a 64 bit app. I've used it to sync Reaper to PARIS, but I was using the 32 bit version of Reaper.

http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html

Cheers!

Mike

PS "User Install driver" doesn't mean that you'll have to do anything special to install it. It's just the name Microsoft gave to a class of user mode drivers that existed in Windows 3.1 and continue to be supported in Windows 7 64 and beyond. It's also still the best way to do a virtual MIDI driver because the stream doesn't have to go through the kernel, which would slow things down.
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Mike,

Thanks for the LoopMidi link. it looks exactly like what is needed. I'll give it a try as soon as I have all the essential components to my new DAW comp.

I am waiting for the new Paris ball to drop !

~Tom

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I'm sorry about the delay getting this released. The new control panel for setting CPU affinity wasn't showing it's icon in Windows 7 64. It took me forever to get it sorted out, but it's done. The blank page default "missing icon" looked like crap, and I just couldn't let it go.

I think all I have left is to test the uninstaller.

All the best!

Mike
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I'm finally getting to really play with PARIS under Windows 7 64 now that everything appears to be done.

UAD plugins are working as before with the double wrapping. Be sure you don't install the optional mono UAD plugins. They have a nasty echo with the FXSpansion wrapper.

Cheers!

Mike
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portscan is currently offline  portscan   FRANCE
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hi

own win8 pro
know a bit of c++ (I use it for pro needs)
would LOVE to give some help (can debug under vs2010 on a win8 i5 16g of ram machine).
Especially if you want to rewrite the app...

About running paris under win7 64bits version, a few dumb questions to lucky owners/users. I'm not sure about the answers (i ask these before to do the jump, I'll need to purchase a vituavia if i do the upgrade, hence the questions) :
-does it support live mix ?
-can we finally use vst fx while in live mix directly applied on hardware inputs ?
-do the asio drivers show 8in / 8out / adat io in other apps ?

If I'm correct, to make it work on my machine, I'll have to install the regular paris 32 bits app and use the 64bits drivers ?

I'm actually trying to find a way to apply vst fx to hardware inputs, live, while keeping the paris system hardware and mixer.
don't know if we already can use vst on live inputs, my "paris pc" is way too old to even try.

Thanks !!!!

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carlamburn is currently offline  carlamburn   UNITED STATES
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Heya Mr Audet, where will these drivers be available? How do I get them? Smile

thanks,
- Carl
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mikeaudet   CANADA
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Hi Portscan,

I'll keep you posted on a beta opportunity. I'm trying not to take on too much at once. I'd like to fix things in the current test group before expanding it. Thanks so much for the offer!

Update for everyone:

I've been testing the driver with some brave souls, and there have been a lot of success, but some issues, too.

There seems to be a bug in some CPUs that makes sharing the EDS100 hardware RAM with the PSCL in 64 bit mode tricky. If I do it one way, it works on most systems, but not on all of them. If I do it another way, I get the same problem. On most systems, both ways work. I just finished up a build that tries up to three different ways (two ways really, with a variation on one of them) to map the RAM. So far, at least one of the ways works on every system we've tried. But, it's been tougher than I expected and taken some time.

There may be a timing issues to overcome, too; one system is getting stuck at initializing the timing chip (ESP F). I'll be working on that as soon as I can. Four other systems are working fine, though.

So, the driver isn't available yet, but I'm working as hard as I can to get it ready for you guys!

All the best!

Mike

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mikeaudet   CANADA
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Great news! The esp chip issue that a beta tester had was a bad EDS Card, not a problem with the driver. We're very close indeed.

Cheers!

Mike
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More great news! The latest tester installed PARIS and the driver from the installer without any issues!

Also, we've had a successful test of PARIS on Windows 8 x64.

Cheers!

Mike
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Hey Mike ,
Wonderful news . Things are really starting to heat up now !! For years I have been religiously checking the site for updates , awaiting the release of your hard work . Whatever you release I'm grateful and ready to hit the pay now button . Look forward to having Paris back up and accessible in Win 7 x64 and if I can use the C16 with Cubase , even better .

3 Cheers to Mike !!

P.


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Hi Mike !!
So as to summarize if you please...
It is hard to gather so much info from all hat posts...
1) So you finally managed to have Paris with any number of cards ( i have three ) attached each to own mec with any kind of modules work under XP and windows 7 and windows 8 ( dont care for that for now) wih ANY DAW that uses asio, right ?
2) Paris controller can work as a midi controller for that specific DAW ?
3) The "magic" of paris sound will be somehow lost due to "other" DAW routings but still Paris hardware and EDS effects are there !
4) YOU ARE WILLING to write a VST EDS EFFECT that will let us use a vst instr\ument from within Paris ??? Will that have the ususal time delay like other vsts ?
4) ARE YOU WILLING to write a new DAW specially made for Paris that will use the Paris "magic" ? If it will be a completely new what would be the difference with just using REAPER for instance ? Would it be that the drivers DO NOT need to be asio so NO DELAYS at all ??? If so I AM IN for that new DAW that will have delay compensation VST instrument support and way better editing audio !!

5) Would you consider selling alone the ASIO driver for someone not willing to jump to win7 ? That would help sell more drivers... I for sure will buy also the win7 driver although I would not use win7 !!!

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING !!!!!!!
Believe me your efforts are highly appreciated from everyone in here !!!
Chees my friend !
Dimitrios
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Hi Dimitrios,

I'll answer the questions in order

1) So you finally managed to have Paris with any number of cards ( i have three ) attached each to one MEC with any kind of modules work under XP and windows 7 and windows 8 ( dont care for that for now) wih ANY DAW that uses asio, right ?

The ASIO driver is separate from the 64 bit scherzo, but works with it. I still haven't finished this project, but, yes, all the interfaces on all cards will work with any ASIO host.

2) Paris controller can work as a midi controller for that specific DAW ?

Yes, the C16 sends MIDI data through a selectable MIDI port, and this can be picked up by any application that supports MIDI control.

3) The "magic" of paris sound will be somehow lost due to "other" DAW routings but still Paris hardware and EDS effects are there !

I think some of the PARIS magic is from the hardware, so that will still be there. I haven't managed to get EDS effects to work with the ASIO driver, but I'm going to look into it. This might have to be part of a follow up release because it would mean a big re-write.

4) YOU ARE WILLING to write a VST EDS EFFECT that will let us use a vst instr\ument from within Paris ??? Will that have the ususal time delay like other vsts ?

The VST subsystem is another project that I haven't even started yet. I'll do my best!

4) ARE YOU WILLING to write a new DAW specially made for Paris that will use the Paris "magic" ? If it will be a completely new what would be the difference with just using REAPER for instance ? Would it be that the drivers DO NOT need to be asio so NO DELAYS at all ??? If so I AM IN for that new DAW that will have delay compensation VST instrument support and way better editing
audio !!

I'm going back and forth on this one. I don't know if it's better to write a reaper plugin or start something from scratch. I'd really like to take PARIS from where it was in 2001 and extend it, though. I like the layout and the look. I don't have the same warm feeling towards Reaper, as great as it is.

5) Would you consider selling alone the ASIO driver for someone not willing to jump to win7 ? That would help sell more drivers... I for sure will buy also the win7 driver although I would not use win7 !!!

Absolutely! The ASIO driver will be a separate product.

Cheers!

Mike
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Mike,

Not trying to sidetrack this thread and admittedly I've been out of the loop here for quite a while so I would need to sit here and read all day to catch up on the current state of Paris and all of the work you have done.

Just wondering about something that might be, at least partially, relevant to this thread. Many years ago when SSC was still with us, a fellow Parisite who is a friend of mine and who knew SSC approached him about buying the Paris code. Nothing ever happened subsequently due to SSC's passing but one thing that stuck with me while I was in the loop briefly was that SSC's assertion was that the "sound" of Paris had everything to do with the software application.

Now I see you've got Cockos onboard using Reaper with the Paris hardware. Is the Paris DSP available on auxes and inserts in Reaper? Just wondering if that wonderful Paris headroom is still evident in Reaper.

Another thought I have involves the new UAD Apollo. They are reporting 2ms latency even with stacked plugins while recording in real time. I'm going to do some checking to see if these plugins can be bussed to the Apollo ADAT ports. If so, if it and the MEC were synced to a common clock source, you would be able to apply UAD2 plugins within the Paris GUI in pretty much real time.

For my purposes, something like this, with simple latency compensation, would provide that "best of both worlds" thing we've all been looking for.

Peaceout.

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Hi DJ,

It's great to see you around here. The work I've done with Reaper so far has just been using it as an ASIO host. I haven't yet got EDS plugins working with it. I've been focused on getting 24 bit audio, low latency, C16 support, and a control panel for selecting MEC modules.

I'm considering what to do after I get the ASIO done. Should the next step be major integration with Reaper via it's API? I don't believe for a minute that the secret to the PARIS sound is in the PARIS app because it's just a controller for the hardware. All the mixing, routing, effects, gain staging - everything - is done in the hardware.

But, I really like the PARIS app. So, developing something that works basically the same way appeals to me, even if it is a little crazy.

All the best!

Mike
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mikeaudet wrote on Sun, 14 April 2013 11:04
Hi DJ,

It's great to see you around here. The work I've done with Reaper so far has just been using it as an ASIO host. I haven't yet got EDS plugins working with it. I've been focused on getting 24 bit audio, low latency, C16 support, and a control panel for selecting MEC modules.

I'm considering what to do after I get the ASIO done. Should the next step be major integration with Reaper via it's API? I don't believe for a minute that the secret to the PARIS sound is in the PARIS app because it's just a controller for the hardware. All the mixing, routing, effects, gain staging - everything - is done in the hardware.

But, I really like the PARIS app. So, developing something that works basically the same way appeals to me, even if it is a little crazy.

All the best!

Mike


Mike,

I'm also onboard with the idea that the headroom aspects and "Paris sound" is related to the ESP2 DSP chips. Being able to use the Paris DSP and GUI and set auxes to Pre/Post while running UAD plugins while tracking and mixing would be very cool. The only gotcha' (there's always a "gotcha") is that using the UA Apollo in standalone mode will not retain the plugin and settings. Now if there was some way to use the Apollo driver via ASIO while still having access to the Paris DSP so that the UAD plugins could be instantiated as VST with recallable settings, I'd probably buy another Paris system. UAD plugins are the only ones I use these days so for my personal needs, having these along with those wonderful Paris plugs that have been developed would make my life complete. Very Happy

They are making mainboards nowadays with Thunderbolt interfaces that work with Windows systems. Damn I wish I could win the lotto. I'd see if I could talk to Edmund about farming the code out to you.....I'll buy a ticket next Wednesday.
Razz
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Great work, I'm glad to see there is still amazing progress happening with you and P.A.R.I.S. Mike.

I don't know if you have started a notifications list of updated software/plug/driver/etc... items you have for sale but if one does exist I would love to be on it. I still have a working Paris rig (4 card, word clock, 3 MEC) but life has taken me down many roads and I don't spend much time on it these days. One of the kind members sent me notice about this thread from the 'old newsgroup'. Tip 'o the hat from one of the old guard PARIS guys.

I would definitely like to see news posted out to the (somewhat unofficial) facebook PARIS user community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/344712405566469/

Superb work Mr. Audet.
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Heads up folks - the driver is RELEASED! See sticky post here.

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