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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74474 is a reply to message #74464] |
Thu, 19 October 2006 19:16   |
gene lennon
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"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
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>> If I am mixing from my Mac to Paris Via ADAT, I don't worry about it.
If
>> I am using one computer as an effect rack for a second, I send a sample
>> through
>> the loop and line it up against the original to calculate the delay. If
I
>> am going one way, I calculate the loop delay and I divide the loop delay
>> in half. If I go out and come back later, I generally keep the original
>> track
>> and re-align to it. Each time I calculate a delay time I try to write
it
>> down with the accompanying sample rate and other info. It remains
>> consistent
>> from project to project if I don't change sample rates.
>>
>> Gene
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>Are you doing this visually or with sampleslide or both...I'm just having
>trouble grasping the process
>
>Don
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>
The only time this is truly single-sample-critical is if you are moving individual
parts of a multi-mic setup, and I hardly ever do that. As an example, if
I move drums from Paris to Pro Tools for work in Beat Detective, I will always
move the entire kit over and back. The editing process will, by its nature,
move some parts around, so when I put the tracks back in Paris, I just want
to keep the relative phase of the 10 or so drum tracks perfect. If I check
the start point and a random point in the middle of the song and they both
line up, I’m happy. At that point I may be shifting things around for feel
anyway.
I do use Paris nudge and sampleslide together when I am trying to get an
exact shift amount, but for quick and dirty, I still use the old drop and
snip method. (à la Gene)
These days I do most of this work outside of Paris. I don’t track drums in
Paris any more. I still like tracking vocals in Paris and occasionally some
overdub tracks, but generally Paris is just my mix engine. I have no phase
or latency issues when I use Paris for a mix engine. If I use a 3rd computer
as an effects rack, I use a plug-in in Performer that tells the ADC engine
how much to move the external tracks to keep everything synced. This is much
easier.
Gene
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74478 is a reply to message #74457] |
Thu, 19 October 2006 20:34 |
Rod Lincoln
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Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase SX3 going
either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just dry tracks.
As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's as
close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by nature, are not
accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as long as phase
coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done tests, however,
and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings for Paris
or
>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>
>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble getting zero
>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig with
>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the equation
>
>Thanks
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your setup rock
>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>
>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or just
to
>>
>>>Paris
>>>
>>>DOn
>>>
>>>
>> Both.
>> Gene
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74490 is a reply to message #74478] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 03:41 |
Don Nafe
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I am presently
1) sending stuff to cubase and back
2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, processing them
and then sending them back to Paris.
The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without plugs) but
going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the round
trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error
thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
Don
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:453843ca$1@linux...
>
> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase SX3 going
> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just dry
> tracks.
> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's as
> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by nature, are
> not
> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as long as
> phase
> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done tests,
> however,
> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
> Rod
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings for Paris
> or
>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>
>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble getting zero
>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig with
>
>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the equation
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your setup rock
>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>>
>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or just
> to
>>>
>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>DOn
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Both.
>>> Gene
>>
>>
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74497 is a reply to message #74490] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 08:45 |
Don Nafe
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Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
Don
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538a5f0@linux...
>I am presently
>
> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>
> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, processing
> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>
> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without plugs) but
> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
>
> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the round
> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error
> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>
>
> Don
>
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>>
>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase SX3 going
>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just dry
>> tracks.
>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's as
>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by nature, are
>> not
>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as long as
>> phase
>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done tests,
>> however,
>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>> Rod
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings for Paris
>> or
>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>>
>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble getting zero
>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig with
>>
>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the equation
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your setup rock
>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>>>
>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or just
>> to
>>>>
>>>>>Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>DOn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Both.
>>>> Gene
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74500 is a reply to message #74497] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 09:32 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
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I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total nulling of
two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two tracks
Is this normal?
DOn
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
>
> Don
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538a5f0@linux...
>>I am presently
>>
>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>>
>> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, processing
>> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>>
>> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without plugs) but
>> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
>>
>> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the round
>> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error
>> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase SX3
>>> going
>>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just dry
>>> tracks.
>>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's as
>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by nature, are
>>> not
>>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as long as
>>> phase
>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done tests,
>>> however,
>>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>>> Rod
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings for Paris
>>> or
>>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>>>
>>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble getting zero
>>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig with
>>>
>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the equation
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your setup rock
>>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or just
>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>Paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DOn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Both.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74514 is a reply to message #74500] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 12:12 |
Tom Bruhl
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Don,
Try SampleSlide and you should get a complete null.
In the process you may need to nudge the track one more/less
millisecond to work.
Tom
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538f824$1@linux...
I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total =
nulling of=20
two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two =
tracks
Is this normal?
DOn
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
>
> Don
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538a5f0@linux...
>>I am presently
>>
>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>>
>> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, =
processing=20
>> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>>
>> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without =
plugs) but=20
>> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
>>
>> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the =
round=20
>> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and =
error=20
>> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase =
SX3=20
>>> going
>>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just =
dry=20
>>> tracks.
>>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but =
it's as
>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by =
nature, are=20
>>> not
>>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as =
long as=20
>>> phase
>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done =
tests,=20
>>> however,
>>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>>> Rod
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings for =
Paris
>>> or
>>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>>>
>>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble getting =
zero
>>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig =
with
>>>
>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the =
equation
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your =
setup rock
>>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris =
or just
>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>Paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DOn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Both.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Nafe" <<A href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> =
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74522 is a reply to message #74514] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 13:27 |
Don Nafe
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There might be some other issues going on because side by side snare and =
a reverse polarity snare do not null...hmmmm....very interesting
Any ideas as to why this might ne happening?
Don
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:45391d65@linux...
Don,
Try SampleSlide and you should get a complete null.
In the process you may need to nudge the track one more/less
millisecond to work.
Tom
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
news:4538f824$1@linux...
I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total =
nulling of=20
two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two =
tracks
Is this normal?
DOn
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
>
> Don
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
news:4538a5f0@linux...
>>I am presently
>>
>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>>
>> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, =
processing=20
>> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>>
>> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without =
plugs) but=20
>> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
>>
>> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the =
round=20
>> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and =
error=20
>> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase =
SX3=20
>>> going
>>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just =
dry=20
>>> tracks.
>>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but =
it's as
>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by =
nature, are=20
>>> not
>>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as =
long as=20
>>> phase
>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done =
tests,=20
>>> however,
>>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>>> Rod
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings =
for Paris
>>> or
>>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>>>
>>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble =
getting zero
>>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other =
rig with
>>>
>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the =
equation
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your =
setup rock
>>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris =
or just
>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>Paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DOn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Both.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There might be some other issues going =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas as to why this might ne=20
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href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:45391d65@linux">news:45391d65@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try SampleSlide and you should get a =
complete=20
null.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the process you may need to nudge =
the track=20
one more/less</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>millisecond to work.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:4538f824$1@linux">news:4538f824$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I =
spoke too=20
soon...I can get really close but can not get total nulling of =
<BR>two snare=20
tracks (one phase reversed)<BR><BR>I'm getting the equvilent of a =
drop of=20
17db when summing the two tracks<BR><BR>Is this=20
normal?<BR><BR>DOn<BR><BR><BR>"Don Nafe" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
href=3D"news:4538ed12@linux">news:4538ed12@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got =
it<BR>><BR>>=20
Don<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
href=3D"news:4538a5f0@linux">news:4538a5f0@linux</A>...<BR>>>I =
am=20
presently<BR>>><BR>>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and=20
back<BR>>><BR>>> 2) recording into cubase or =
transferring files=20
into cubase, processing <BR>>> them and then sending them back =
to=20
Paris.<BR>>><BR>>> The second option is time aligned and =
sample=20
accurate (without plugs) but <BR>>> going out and back creates =
at=20
least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)<BR>>><BR>>> My =
question is=20
how do I determine the exact time delay for the round <BR>>> =
trip...I=20
can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error=20
<BR>>> thing or can this be determined accurately=20
beforehand<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
Don<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com</A>=
>=20
wrote in message <BR>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:453843ca$1@linux">news:453843ca$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
t;<BR>>>>=20
Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase SX3=20
<BR>>>> going<BR>>>> either way, with Paris as =
master, via=20
adat 9 pin sync.<BR>>>> This doesn't take into account any =
plugs in=20
cubase though, just dry <BR>>>> tracks.<BR>>>> As =
far as=20
using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's=20
as<BR>>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those =
timecodes,=20
by nature, are <BR>>>> not<BR>>>> accurate on the =
sample=20
level, but are fine for most things, as long as <BR>>>>=20
phase<BR>>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't =
needed. I=20
have done tests, <BR>>>> however,<BR>>>> and MTC =
is=20
tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)<BR>>>> =
Rod<BR>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined =
the=20
latency settings for Paris<BR>>>> =
or<BR>>>>>your second=20
rig and the various plugins you=20
use?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I realise that's a =
loaded=20
question but I'm having trouble getting =
zero<BR>>>>>latency just=20
flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig =20
with<BR>>>><BR>>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper =
let=20
alone adding plugs into the=20
=
equation<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks <BR>>>>>=
;<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> "Gene=20
Lennon" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:glennon@NOSP.com">glennon@NOSP.com</A>> wrote=20
in message=20
=
<BR>>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...<BR>>>>>><BR>&=
gt;>>>>=20
"Don Nafe" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the =
master=20
also and like your setup rock<BR>>>>>>>solid...the =
question was more of a "like to know"=20
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to sample=20
accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or =
just<BR>>>>=20
=
to<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Paris <BR>>>&g=
t;>>><BR>>>>>>>DOn <BR>>>>>>>=
<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
Both.<BR>>>>>>=20
=
Gene<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>><BR>>><=
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74546 is a reply to message #74522] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 17:54 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
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Both snares in Paris??correct?????
Both tracks identical?? level, pan is center??no plugs on either, or the
same plug with same setting on both???
You should get a complete null.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>
>
>There might be some other issues going on because side by side snare and
=
>a reverse polarity snare do not null...hmmmm....very interesting
>
>Any ideas as to why this might ne happening?
>
>Don
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>news:45391d65@linux...
> Don,
> Try SampleSlide and you should get a complete null.
> In the process you may need to nudge the track one more/less
> millisecond to work.
> Tom
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>news:4538f824$1@linux...
> I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total =
>nulling of=20
> two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
>
> I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two =
>tracks
>
> Is this normal?
>
> DOn
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
> > Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>news:4538a5f0@linux...
> >>I am presently
> >>
> >> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
> >>
> >> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, =
>processing=20
> >> them and then sending them back to Paris.
> >>
> >> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without =
>plugs) but=20
> >> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
> >>
> >> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the =
>round=20
> >> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and
=
>error=20
> >> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
> >>
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message=20
> >> news:453843ca$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
=
>SX3=20
> >>> going
> >>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
> >>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just
=
>dry=20
> >>> tracks.
> >>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but
=
>it's as
> >>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by =
>nature, are=20
> >>> not
> >>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as =
>long as=20
> >>> phase
> >>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done
=
>tests,=20
> >>> however,
> >>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
> >>> Rod
> >>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings =
>for Paris
> >>> or
> >>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
> >>>>
> >>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble =
>getting zero
> >>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other =
>rig with
> >>>
> >>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the =
>equation
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message=20
> >>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your =
>setup rock
> >>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris
=
>or just
> >>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Paris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>DOn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Both.
> >>>>> Gene
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >=20
>
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There might be some other issues going
=
>on=20
>because side by side snare and a reverse polarity snare do not=20
>null...hmmmm....very interesting</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas as to why this might ne=20
>happening?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A href=3D"news:45391d65@linux">news:45391d65@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try SampleSlide and you should get a
=
>complete=20
> null.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the process you may need to nudge
=
>the track=20
> one more/less</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>millisecond to work.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> href=3D"news:4538f824$1@linux">news:4538f824$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I =
>spoke too=20
> soon...I can get really close but can not get total nulling of =
><BR>two snare=20
> tracks (one phase reversed)<BR><BR>I'm getting the equvilent of a =
>drop of=20
> 17db when summing the two tracks<BR><BR>Is this=20
> normal?<BR><BR>DOn<BR><BR><BR>"Don Nafe" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>message <A=20
> href=3D"news:4538ed12@linux">news:4538ed12@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got =
>it<BR>><BR>>=20
> Don<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>message <A=20
> href=3D"news:4538a5f0@linux">news:4538a5f0@linux</A>...<BR>>>I =
>am=20
> presently<BR>>><BR>>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and=20
> back<BR>>><BR>>> 2) recording into cubase or =
>transferring files=20
> into cubase, processing <BR>>> them and then sending them back =
>to=20
> Paris.<BR>>><BR>>> The second option is time aligned and =
>sample=20
> accurate (without plugs) but <BR>>> going out and back creates =
>at=20
> least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)<BR>>><BR>>> My =
>question is=20
> how do I determine the exact time delay for the round <BR>>> =
>trip...I=20
> can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error=20
> <BR>>> thing or can this be determined accurately=20
> beforehand<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
> Don<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com</A>=
>>=20
> wrote in message <BR>>> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:453843ca$1@linux">news:453843ca$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>t;<BR>>>>=20
> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase SX3=20
> <BR>>>> going<BR>>>> either way, with Paris as =
>master, via=20
> adat 9 pin sync.<BR>>>> This doesn't take into account any =
>plugs in=20
> cubase though, just dry <BR>>>> tracks.<BR>>>> As =
>far as=20
> using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's=20
> as<BR>>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those =
>timecodes,=20
> by nature, are <BR>>>> not<BR>>>> accurate on the =
>sample=20
> level, but are fine for most things, as long as <BR>>>>=20
> phase<BR>>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't =
>needed. I=20
> have done tests, <BR>>>> however,<BR>>>> and MTC =
>is=20
> tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)<BR>>>> =
>
> Rod<BR>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined =
>the=20
> latency settings for Paris<BR>>>> =
>or<BR>>>>>your second=20
> rig and the various plugins you=20
> use?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I realise that's a =
>loaded=20
> question but I'm having trouble getting =
>zero<BR>>>>>latency just=20
> flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig =20
> with<BR>>>><BR>>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper =
>let=20
> alone adding plugs into the=20
> =
>equation<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks<BR>>>>>=
>;<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Gene=20
> Lennon" <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:glennon@NOSP.com">glennon@NOSP.com</A>> wrote=20
> in message=20
> =
><BR>>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...<BR>>>>>><BR>&=
>gt;>>>>=20
> "Don Nafe" <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the =
>master=20
> also and like your setup rock<BR>>>>>>>solid...the =
>
> question was more of a "like to know"=20
> question<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>As =
>to sample=20
> accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or =
>just<BR>>>>=20
> =
>to<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Paris<BR>>>&g=
>t;>>><BR>>>>>>>DOn<BR>>>>>>>=
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74547 is a reply to message #74546] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 18:12 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:45396fb4$1@linux...
> Both snares in Paris??correct?????
yes
> Both tracks identical?? level, pan is center??no plugs on either???
yes
> You should get a complete null.
Nope...about a 30db drop in volume...have to crank the level but it's
there....I'll be checking things again tomorrow because something isn't
right here
Don
> Rod
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>There might be some other issues going on because side by side snare and
> =
>>a reverse polarity snare do not null...hmmmm....very interesting
>>
>>Any ideas as to why this might ne happening?
>>
>>Don
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>news:45391d65@linux...
>> Don,
>> Try SampleSlide and you should get a complete null.
>> In the process you may need to nudge the track one more/less
>> millisecond to work.
>> Tom
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>news:4538f824$1@linux...
>> I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total =
>>nulling of=20
>> two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
>>
>> I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two =
>>tracks
>>
>> Is this normal?
>>
>> DOn
>>
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
>> > Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
>> >
>> > Don
>> >
>> >
>> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>news:4538a5f0@linux...
>> >>I am presently
>> >>
>> >> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>> >>
>> >> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, =
>>processing=20
>> >> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>> >>
>> >> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without =
>>plugs) but=20
>> >> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
>> >>
>> >> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the =
>>round=20
>> >> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and
> =
>>error=20
>> >> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Don
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message=20
>> >> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
> =
>>SX3=20
>> >>> going
>> >>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>> >>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just
> =
>>dry=20
>> >>> tracks.
>> >>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but
> =
>>it's as
>> >>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by =
>>nature, are=20
>> >>> not
>> >>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as =
>>long as=20
>> >>> phase
>> >>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done
> =
>>tests,=20
>> >>> however,
>> >>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>> >>> Rod
>> >>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>> >>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings =
>>for Paris
>> >>> or
>> >>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble =
>>getting zero
>> >>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other =
>>rig with
>> >>>
>> >>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the =
>>equation
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message=20
>> >>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>> >>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your =
>>setup rock
>> >>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris
> =
>>or just
>> >>> to
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>Paris
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>DOn
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Both.
>> >>>>> Gene
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >=20
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There might be some other issues going
> =
>>on=20
>>because side by side snare and a reverse polarity snare do not=20
>>null...hmmmm....very interesting</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas as to why this might ne=20
>>happening?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>>in message=20
>> <A href=3D"news:45391d65@linux">news:45391d65@linux</A>...</DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try SampleSlide and you should get a
> =
>>complete=20
>> null.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the process you may need to nudge
> =
>>the track=20
>> one more/less</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>millisecond to work.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> href=3D"news:4538f824$1@linux">news:4538f824$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I =
>>spoke too=20
>> soon...I can get really close but can not get total nulling of =
>><BR>two snare=20
>> tracks (one phase reversed)<BR><BR>I'm getting the equvilent of a =
>>drop of=20
>> 17db when summing the two tracks<BR><BR>Is this=20
>> normal?<BR><BR>DOn<BR><BR><BR>"Don Nafe" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>message <A=20
>> href=3D"news:4538ed12@linux">news:4538ed12@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
>> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got =
>>it<BR>><BR>>=20
>> Don<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>message <A=20
>> href=3D"news:4538a5f0@linux">news:4538a5f0@linux</A>...<BR>>>I =
>>am=20
>> presently<BR>>><BR>>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and=20
>> back<BR>>><BR>>> 2) recording into cubase or =
>>transferring files=20
>> into cubase, processing <BR>>> them and then sending them back =
>>to=20
>> Paris.<BR>>><BR>>> The second option is time aligned and =
>>sample=20
>> accurate (without plugs) but <BR>>> going out and back creates =
>>at=20
>> least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)<BR>>><BR>>> My =
>>question is=20
>> how do I determine the exact time delay for the round <BR>>> =
>>trip...I=20
>> can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error=20
>> <BR>>> thing or can this be determined accurately=20
>> beforehand<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
>> Don<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com</A>=
>>>=20
>> wrote in message <BR>>> <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:453843ca$1@linux">news:453843ca$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>>t;<BR>>>>=20
>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase SX3=20
>> <BR>>>> going<BR>>>> either way, with Paris as =
>>master, via=20
>> adat 9 pin sync.<BR>>>> This doesn't take into account any =
>>plugs in=20
>> cubase though, just dry <BR>>>> tracks.<BR>>>> As =
>>far as=20
>> using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's=20
>> as<BR>>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those =
>>timecodes,=20
>> by nature, are <BR>>>> not<BR>>>> accurate on the =
>>sample=20
>> level, but are fine for most things, as long as <BR>>>>=20
>> phase<BR>>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't =
>>needed. I=20
>> have done tests, <BR>>>> however,<BR>>>> and MTC =
>>is=20
>> tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)<BR>>>> =
>>
>> Rod<BR>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined =
>>the=20
>> latency settings for Paris<BR>>>> =
>>or<BR>>>>>your second=20
>> rig and the various plugins you=20
>> use?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I realise that's a =
>>loaded=20
>> question but I'm having trouble getting =
>>zero<BR>>>>>latency just=20
>> flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig =20
>> with<BR>>>><BR>>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper =
>>let=20
>> alone adding plugs into the=20
>> =
>>equation<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks<BR>>>>>=
>>;<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Gene=20
>> Lennon" <<A =
>>href=3D"mailto:glennon@NOSP.com">glennon@NOSP.com</A>> wrote=20
>> in message=20
>> =
>><BR>>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...<BR>>>>>><BR>&=
>>gt;>>>>=20
>> "Don Nafe" <<A =
>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the =
>>master=20
>> also and like your setup rock<BR>>>>>>>solid...the =
>>
>> question was more of a "like to know"=20
>> question<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>As =
>>to sample=20
>> accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or =
>>just<BR>>>>=20
>> =
>>to<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Paris<BR>>>&g=
>>t;>>><BR>>>>>>>DOn<BR>>>>>>>=
>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
>> Both.<BR>>>>>>=20
>> =
>>Gene<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><=
>>BR>>><BR>><BR>>=20
>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
> =
>>and=20
>> you?<BR><A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74548 is a reply to message #74547] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 18:16 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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Actually come to think of it they aren't identical...I had to render the
snare track to get the invert poarity to work...wouldn't do the original
track for some reason...I have an idea why and I'll get back to you on this
tomorrow
DOn
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45397215@linux...
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45396fb4$1@linux...
>
>> Both snares in Paris??correct?????
>
> yes
>
>> Both tracks identical?? level, pan is center??no plugs on either???
>
> yes
>
>> You should get a complete null.
>
> Nope...about a 30db drop in volume...have to crank the level but it's
> there....I'll be checking things again tomorrow because something isn't
> right here
>
> Don
>
>
>> Rod
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>There might be some other issues going on because side by side snare and
>> =
>>>a reverse polarity snare do not null...hmmmm....very interesting
>>>
>>>Any ideas as to why this might ne happening?
>>>
>>>Don
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>>news:45391d65@linux...
>>> Don,
>>> Try SampleSlide and you should get a complete null.
>>> In the process you may need to nudge the track one more/less
>>> millisecond to work.
>>> Tom
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>>news:4538f824$1@linux...
>>> I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total =
>>>nulling of=20
>>> two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
>>>
>>> I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two =
>>>tracks
>>>
>>> Is this normal?
>>>
>>> DOn
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
>>> > Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
>>> >
>>> > Don
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>>news:4538a5f0@linux...
>>> >>I am presently
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>>> >>
>>> >> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, =
>>>processing=20
>>> >> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>>> >>
>>> >> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without =
>>>plugs) but=20
>>> >> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
>>> >>
>>> >> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the =
>>>round=20
>>> >> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and
>> =
>>>error=20
>>> >> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Don
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message=20
>>> >> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
>> =
>>>SX3=20
>>> >>> going
>>> >>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>>> >>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just
>> =
>>>dry=20
>>> >>> tracks.
>>> >>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but
>> =
>>>it's as
>>> >>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by =
>>>nature, are=20
>>> >>> not
>>> >>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as =
>>>long as=20
>>> >>> phase
>>> >>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done
>> =
>>>tests,=20
>>> >>> however,
>>> >>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>>> >>> Rod
>>> >>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>> >>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings =
>>>for Paris
>>> >>> or
>>> >>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble =
>>>getting zero
>>> >>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other =
>>>rig with
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the =
>>>equation
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Thanks
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message=20
>>> >>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your =
>>>setup rock
>>> >>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris
>> =
>>>or just
>>> >>> to
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Paris
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>DOn
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>> Both.
>>> >>>>> Gene
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >=20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>
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>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There might be some other issues going
>> =
>>>on=20
>>>because side by side snare and a reverse polarity snare do not=20
>>>null...hmmmm....very interesting</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas as to why this might ne=20
>>>happening?</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
>>><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>>>in message=20
>>> <A href=3D"news:45391d65@linux">news:45391d65@linux</A>...</DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try SampleSlide and you should get a
>> =
>>>complete=20
>>> null.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the process you may need to nudge
>> =
>>>the track=20
>>> one more/less</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>millisecond to work.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>> href=3D"news:4538f824$1@linux">news:4538f824$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I =
>>>spoke too=20
>>> soon...I can get really close but can not get total nulling of =
>>><BR>two snare=20
>>> tracks (one phase reversed)<BR><BR>I'm getting the equvilent of a =
>>>drop of=20
>>> 17db when summing the two tracks<BR><BR>Is this=20
>>> normal?<BR><BR>DOn<BR><BR><BR>"Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>>message <A=20
>>> href=3D"news:4538ed12@linux">news:4538ed12@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
>>> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got =
>>>it<BR>><BR>>=20
>>> Don<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>>message <A=20
>>> href=3D"news:4538a5f0@linux">news:4538a5f0@linux</A>...<BR>>>I =
>>>am=20
>>> presently<BR>>><BR>>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and=20
>>> back<BR>>><BR>>> 2) recording into cubase or =
>>>transferring files=20
>>> into cubase, processing <BR>>> them and then sending them back =
>>>to=20
>>> Paris.<BR>>><BR>>> The second option is time aligned and =
>>>sample=20
>>> accurate (without plugs) but <BR>>> going out and back creates =
>>>at=20
>>> least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)<BR>>><BR>>> My =
>>>question is=20
>>> how do I determine the exact time delay for the round <BR>>> =
>>>trip...I=20
>>> can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error=20
>>> <BR>>> thing or can this be determined accurately=20
>>> beforehand<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
>>> Don<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com</A>=
>>>>=20
>>> wrote in message <BR>>> <A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"news:453843ca$1@linux">news:453843ca$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>>>t;<BR>>>>=20
>>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
>>> SX3=20
>>> <BR>>>> going<BR>>>> either way, with Paris as =
>>>master, via=20
>>> adat 9 pin sync.<BR>>>> This doesn't take into account any =
>>>plugs in=20
>>> cubase though, just dry <BR>>>> tracks.<BR>>>> As =
>>>far as=20
>>> using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's=20
>>> as<BR>>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those =
>>>timecodes,=20
>>> by nature, are <BR>>>> not<BR>>>> accurate on the =
>>>sample=20
>>> level, but are fine for most things, as long as <BR>>>>=20
>>> phase<BR>>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't =
>>>needed. I=20
>>> have done tests, <BR>>>> however,<BR>>>> and MTC =
>>>is=20
>>> tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)<BR>>>> =
>>>
>>> Rod<BR>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined =
>>>the=20
>>> latency settings for Paris<BR>>>> =
>>>or<BR>>>>>your second=20
>>> rig and the various plugins you=20
>>> use?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I realise that's a =
>>>loaded=20
>>> question but I'm having trouble getting =
>>>zero<BR>>>>>latency just=20
>>> flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig =20
>>> with<BR>>>><BR>>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper =
>>>let=20
>>> alone adding plugs into the=20
>>> =
>>>equation<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks<BR>>>>>=
>>>;<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Gene=20
>>> Lennon" <<A =
>>>href=3D"mailto:glennon@NOSP.com">glennon@NOSP.com</A>> wrote=20
>>> in message=20
>>> =
>>><BR>>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...<BR>>>>>><BR>&=
>>>gt;>>>>=20
>>> "Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the =
>>>master=20
>>> also and like your setup rock<BR>>>>>>>solid...the =
>>>
>>> question was more of a "like to know"=20
>>> question<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>As =
>>>to sample=20
>>> accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or =
>>>just<BR>>>>=20
>>> =
>>>to<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Paris<BR>>>&g=
>>>t;>>><BR>>>>>>>DOn<BR>>>>>>>=
>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
>>> Both.<BR>>>>>>=20
>>> =
>>>Gene<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><=
>>>BR>>><BR>><BR>>=20
>>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
>> =
>>>and=20
>>> you?<BR><A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74550 is a reply to message #74548] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 18:39 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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huh? Are you doing this in Paris? if so, just flip the phase switch on the
Paris Mixer channel, just below the eq(you have to select show phase on the
eq pull down menu.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Actually come to think of it they aren't identical...I had to render the
>snare track to get the invert poarity to work...wouldn't do the original
>track for some reason...I have an idea why and I'll get back to you on this
>tomorrow
>
>DOn
>
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45397215@linux...
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:45396fb4$1@linux...
>>
>>> Both snares in Paris??correct?????
>>
>> yes
>>
>>> Both tracks identical?? level, pan is center??no plugs on either???
>>
>> yes
>>
>>> You should get a complete null.
>>
>> Nope...about a 30db drop in volume...have to crank the level but it's
>> there....I'll be checking things again tomorrow because something isn't
>> right here
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There might be some other issues going on because side by side snare
and
>>> =
>>>>a reverse polarity snare do not null...hmmmm....very interesting
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas as to why this might ne happening?
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>>>news:45391d65@linux...
>>>> Don,
>>>> Try SampleSlide and you should get a complete null.
>>>> In the process you may need to nudge the track one more/less
>>>> millisecond to work.
>>>> Tom
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>>>news:4538f824$1@linux...
>>>> I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total =
>>>>nulling of=20
>>>> two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two
=
>>>>tracks
>>>>
>>>> Is this normal?
>>>>
>>>> DOn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
>>>> > Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
>>>> >
>>>> > Don
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>>>news:4538a5f0@linux...
>>>> >>I am presently
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, =
>>>>processing=20
>>>> >> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without
=
>>>>plugs) but=20
>>>> >> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the
=
>>>>round=20
>>>> >> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial
and
>>> =
>>>>error=20
>>>> >> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Don
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message=20
>>>> >> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
>>> =
>>>>SX3=20
>>>> >>> going
>>>> >>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>>>> >>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just
>>> =
>>>>dry=20
>>>> >>> tracks.
>>>> >>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate,
but
>>> =
>>>>it's as
>>>> >>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by =
>>>>nature, are=20
>>>> >>> not
>>>> >>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as
=
>>>>long as=20
>>>> >>> phase
>>>> >>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have done
>>> =
>>>>tests,=20
>>>> >>> however,
>>>> >>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>>>> >>> Rod
>>>> >>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>> >>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings
=
>>>>for Paris
>>>> >>> or
>>>> >>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble =
>>>>getting zero
>>>> >>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other
=
>>>>rig with
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the =
>>>>equation
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Thanks
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message=20
>>>> >>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your
=
>>>>setup rock
>>>> >>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris
>>> =
>>>>or just
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Paris
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>DOn
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Both.
>>>> >>>>> Gene
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >=20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>
>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>></HEAD>
>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There might be some other issues going
>>> =
>>>>on=20
>>>>because side by side snare and a reverse polarity snare do not=20
>>>>null...hmmmm....very interesting</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas as to why this might ne=20
>>>>happening?</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
>>>><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote
=
>>>>in message=20
>>>> <A href=3D"news:45391d65@linux">news:45391d65@linux</A>...</DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try SampleSlide and you should get
a
>>> =
>>>>complete=20
>>>> null.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the process you may need to nudge
>>> =
>>>>the track=20
>>>> one more/less</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>millisecond to work.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> <DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>> href=3D"news:4538f824$1@linux">news:4538f824$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I
=
>>>>spoke too=20
>>>> soon...I can get really close but can not get total nulling of =
>>>><BR>two snare=20
>>>> tracks (one phase reversed)<BR><BR>I'm getting the equvilent of a
=
>>>>drop of=20
>>>> 17db when summing the two tracks<BR><BR>Is this=20
>>>> normal?<BR><BR>DOn<BR><BR><BR>"Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>>>message <A=20
>>>> href=3D"news:4538ed12@linux">news:4538ed12@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
>>>> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got =
>>>>it<BR>><BR>>=20
>>>> Don<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>>>message <A=20
>>>> href=3D"news:4538a5f0@linux">news:4538a5f0@linux</A>...<BR>>>I =
>>>>am=20
>>>> presently<BR>>><BR>>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and=20
>>>> back<BR>>><BR>>> 2) recording into cubase or =
>>>>transferring files=20
>>>> into cubase, processing <BR>>> them and then sending them back =
>>>>to=20
>>>> Paris.<BR>>><BR>>> The second option is time aligned and =
>>>>sample=20
>>>> accurate (without plugs) but <BR>>> going out and back creates =
>>>>at=20
>>>> least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)<BR>>><BR>>> My =
>>>>question is=20
>>>> how do I determine the exact time delay for the round <BR>>> =
>>>>trip...I=20
>>>> can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error=20
>>>> <BR>>> thing or can this be determined accurately=20
>>>> beforehand<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
>>>> Don<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com</A>=
>>>>>=20
>>>> wrote in message <BR>>> <A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"news:453843ca$1@linux">news:453843ca$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>>>>t;<BR>>>>=20
>>>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
>>>> SX3=20
>>>> <BR>>>> going<BR>>>> either way, with Paris as =
>>>>master, via=20
>>>> adat 9 pin sync.<BR>>>> This doesn't take into account any =
>>>>plugs in=20
>>>> cubase though, just dry <BR>>>> tracks.<BR>>>> As =
>>>>far as=20
>>>> using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's=20
>>>> as<BR>>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those =
>>>>timecodes,=20
>>>> by nature, are <BR>>>> not<BR>>>> accurate on the =
>>>>sample=20
>>>> level, but are fine for most things, as long as <BR>>>>=20
>>>> phase<BR>>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't =
>>>>needed. I=20
>>>> have done tests, <BR>>>> however,<BR>>>> and MTC =
>>>>is=20
>>>> tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)<BR>>>> =
>>>>
>>>> Rod<BR>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>> wrote:<BR>>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined =
>>>>the=20
>>>> latency settings for Paris<BR>>>> =
>>>>or<BR>>>>>your second=20
>>>> rig and the various plugins you=20
>>>> use?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I realise that's a =
>>>>loaded=20
>>>> question but I'm having trouble getting =
>>>>zero<BR>>>>>latency just=20
>>>> flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig =20
>>>> with<BR>>>><BR>>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper =
>>>>let=20
>>>> alone adding plugs into the=20
>>>> =
>>>>equation<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks<BR>>>>>=
>>>>;<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Gene=20
>>>> Lennon" <<A =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:glennon@NOSP.com">glennon@NOSP.com</A>> wrote=20
>>>> in message=20
>>>> =
>>>><BR>>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...<BR>>>>>><BR>&=
>>>>gt;>>>>=20
>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>> wrote:<BR>>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the =
>>>>master=20
>>>> also and like your setup rock<BR>>>>>>>solid...the =
>>>>
>>>> question was more of a "like to know"=20
>>>> question<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>As =
>>>>to sample=20
>>>> accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or =
>>>>just<BR>>>>=20
>>>> =
>>>>to<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Paris<BR>>>&g=
>>>>t;>>><BR>>>>>>>DOn<BR>>>>>>>=
>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
>>>> Both.<BR>>>>>>=20
>>>> =
>>>>Gene<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><=
>>>>BR>>><BR>><BR>>=20
>>>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
>>> =
>>>>and=20
>>>> you?<BR><A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74563 is a reply to message #74550] |
Sat, 21 October 2006 07:13 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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You're not going to believe this but I'd completely forgot tat button was
there and yes I now have total, sample accurate, time aligned, there and
back tracking
Can you say DUH!
thanks
Don
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:45397a4c$1@linux...
>
> huh? Are you doing this in Paris? if so, just flip the phase switch on the
> Paris Mixer channel, just below the eq(you have to select show phase on
> the
> eq pull down menu.
> Rod
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Actually come to think of it they aren't identical...I had to render the
>
>>snare track to get the invert poarity to work...wouldn't do the original
>
>>track for some reason...I have an idea why and I'll get back to you on
>>this
>
>>tomorrow
>>
>>DOn
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45397215@linux...
>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45396fb4$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> Both snares in Paris??correct?????
>>>
>>> yes
>>>
>>>> Both tracks identical?? level, pan is center??no plugs on either???
>>>
>>> yes
>>>
>>>> You should get a complete null.
>>>
>>> Nope...about a 30db drop in volume...have to crank the level but it's
>
>>> there....I'll be checking things again tomorrow because something isn't
>
>>> right here
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There might be some other issues going on because side by side snare
> and
>>>> =
>>>>>a reverse polarity snare do not null...hmmmm....very interesting
>>>>>
>>>>>Any ideas as to why this might ne happening?
>>>>>
>>>>>Don
>>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>>>>news:45391d65@linux...
>>>>> Don,
>>>>> Try SampleSlide and you should get a complete null.
>>>>> In the process you may need to nudge the track one more/less
>>>>> millisecond to work.
>>>>> Tom
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>>>>news:4538f824$1@linux...
>>>>> I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total =
>>>>>nulling of=20
>>>>> two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two
> =
>>>>>tracks
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this normal?
>>>>>
>>>>> DOn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
>>>>> > Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Don
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>>>>news:4538a5f0@linux...
>>>>> >>I am presently
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase, =
>>>>>processing=20
>>>>> >> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without
> =
>>>>>plugs) but=20
>>>>> >> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without
>>>>> plugs)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the
> =
>>>>>round=20
>>>>> >> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial
> and
>>>> =
>>>>>error=20
>>>>> >> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Don
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>> >> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
>>>> =
>>>>>SX3=20
>>>>> >>> going
>>>>> >>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>>>>> >>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though, just
>>>> =
>>>>>dry=20
>>>>> >>> tracks.
>>>>> >>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate,
> but
>>>> =
>>>>>it's as
>>>>> >>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by =
>>>>>nature, are=20
>>>>> >>> not
>>>>> >>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things, as
> =
>>>>>long as=20
>>>>> >>> phase
>>>>> >>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have
>>>>> done
>>>> =
>>>>>tests,=20
>>>>> >>> however,
>>>>> >>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>>>>> >>> Rod
>>>>> >>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings
> =
>>>>>for Paris
>>>>> >>> or
>>>>> >>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble =
>>>>>getting zero
>>>>> >>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other
> =
>>>>>rig with
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the =
>>>>>equation
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>Thanks
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>> >>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your
> =
>>>>>setup rock
>>>>> >>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from
>>>>> Paris
>>>> =
>>>>>or just
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>Paris
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>DOn
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Both.
>>>>> >>>>> Gene
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >=20
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>>
>>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>></HEAD>
>>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There might be some other issues going
>>>> =
>>>>>on=20
>>>>>because side by side snare and a reverse polarity snare do not=20
>>>>>null...hmmmm....very interesting</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas as to why this might ne=20
>>>>>happening?</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote
> =
>>>>>in message=20
>>>>> <A href=3D"news:45391d65@linux">news:45391d65@linux</A>...</DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try SampleSlide and you should get
> a
>>>> =
>>>>>complete=20
>>>>> null.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the process you may need to nudge
>>>> =
>>>>>the track=20
>>>>> one more/less</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>millisecond to work.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>> <DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>>> href=3D"news:4538f824$1@linux">news:4538f824$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I
> =
>>>>>spoke too=20
>>>>> soon...I can get really close but can not get total nulling of =
>>>>><BR>two snare=20
>>>>> tracks (one phase reversed)<BR><BR>I'm getting the equvilent of a
> =
>>>>>drop of=20
>>>>> 17db when summing the two tracks<BR><BR>Is this=20
>>>>> normal?<BR><BR>DOn<BR><BR><BR>"Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>>>>message <A=20
>>>>> href=3D"news:4538ed12@linux">news:4538ed12@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
>>>>> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got =
>>>>>it<BR>><BR>>=20
>>>>> Don<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>>>>message <A=20
>>>>> href=3D"news:4538a5f0@linux">news:4538a5f0@linux</A>...<BR>>>I =
>>>>>am=20
>>>>> presently<BR>>><BR>>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and=20
>>>>> back<BR>>><BR>>> 2) recording into cubase or =
>>>>>transferring files=20
>>>>> into cubase, processing <BR>>> them and then sending them back =
>>>>>to=20
>>>>> Paris.<BR>>><BR>>> The second option is time aligned and =
>>>>>sample=20
>>>>> accurate (without plugs) but <BR>>> going out and back creates =
>>>>>at=20
>>>>> least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)<BR>>><BR>>> My =
>>>>>question is=20
>>>>> how do I determine the exact time delay for the round <BR>>> =
>>>>>trip...I=20
>>>>> can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error=20
>>>>> <BR>>> thing or can this be determined accurately=20
>>>>> beforehand<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
>>>>> Don<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com</A>=
>>>>>>=20
>>>>> wrote in message <BR>>> <A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D"news:453843ca$1@linux">news:453843ca$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>>>>>t;<BR>>>>=20
>>>>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
>>>>> SX3=20
>>>>> <BR>>>> going<BR>>>> either way, with Paris as =
>>>>>master, via=20
>>>>> adat 9 pin sync.<BR>>>> This doesn't take into account any =
>>>>>plugs in=20
>>>>> cubase though, just dry <BR>>>> tracks.<BR>>>> As =
>>>>>far as=20
>>>>> using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's=20
>>>>> as<BR>>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those =
>>>>>timecodes,=20
>>>>> by nature, are <BR>>>> not<BR>>>> accurate on the =
>>>>>sample=20
>>>>> level, but are fine for most things, as long as <BR>>>>=20
>>>>> phase<BR>>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't =
>>>>>needed. I=20
>>>>> have done tests, <BR>>>> however,<BR>>>> and MTC =
>>>>>is=20
>>>>> tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)<BR>>>> =
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod<BR>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined =
>>>>>the=20
>>>>> latency settings for Paris<BR>>>> =
>>>>>or<BR>>>>>your second=20
>>>>> rig and the various plugins you=20
>>>>> use?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I realise that's a =
>>>>>loaded=20
>>>>> question but I'm having trouble getting =
>>>>>zero<BR>>>>>latency just=20
>>>>> flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig =20
>>>>> with<BR>>>><BR>>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper =
>>>>>let=20
>>>>> alone adding plugs into the=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>equation<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks<BR>>>>>=
>>>>>;<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Gene=20
>>>>> Lennon" <<A =
>>>>>href=3D"mailto:glennon@NOSP.com">glennon@NOSP.com</A>> wrote=20
>>>>> in message=20
>>>>> =
>>>>><BR>>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...<BR>>>>>><BR>&=
>>>>>gt;>>>>=20
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the =
>>>>>master=20
>>>>> also and like your setup rock<BR>>>>>>>solid...the =
>>>>>
>>>>> question was more of a "like to know"=20
>>>>> question<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>As =
>>>>>to sample=20
>>>>> accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or =
>>>>>just<BR>>>>=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>to<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Paris<BR>>>&g=
>>>>>t;>>><BR>>>>>>>DOn<BR>>>>>>>=
>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
>>>>> Both.<BR>>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>Gene<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><=
>>>>>BR>>><BR>><BR>>=20
>>>>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
>>>> =
>>>>>and=20
>>>>> you?<BR><A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74564 is a reply to message #74563] |
Sat, 21 October 2006 07:08 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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No problem
;-)
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>You're not going to believe this but I'd completely forgot tat button was
>there and yes I now have total, sample accurate, time aligned, there and
>back tracking
>
>Can you say DUH!
>
>thanks
>
>Don
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:45397a4c$1@linux...
>>
>> huh? Are you doing this in Paris? if so, just flip the phase switch on
the
>> Paris Mixer channel, just below the eq(you have to select show phase on
>> the
>> eq pull down menu.
>> Rod
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>Actually come to think of it they aren't identical...I had to render the
>>
>>>snare track to get the invert poarity to work...wouldn't do the original
>>
>>>track for some reason...I have an idea why and I'll get back to you on
>>>this
>>
>>>tomorrow
>>>
>>>DOn
>>>
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45397215@linux...
>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45396fb4$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> Both snares in Paris??correct?????
>>>>
>>>> yes
>>>>
>>>>> Both tracks identical?? level, pan is center??no plugs on either???
>>>>
>>>> yes
>>>>
>>>>> You should get a complete null.
>>>>
>>>> Nope...about a 30db drop in volume...have to crank the level but it's
>>
>>>> there....I'll be checking things again tomorrow because something isn't
>>
>>>> right here
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rod
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There might be some other issues going on because side by side snare
>> and
>>>>> =
>>>>>>a reverse polarity snare do not null...hmmmm....very interesting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any ideas as to why this might ne happening?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don
>>>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>>>>>news:45391d65@linux...
>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>> Try SampleSlide and you should get a complete null.
>>>>>> In the process you may need to nudge the track one more/less
>>>>>> millisecond to work.
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>>>>>news:4538f824$1@linux...
>>>>>> I spoke too soon...I can get really close but can not get total
=
>>>>>>nulling of=20
>>>>>> two snare tracks (one phase reversed)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm getting the equvilent of a drop of 17db when summing the two
>> =
>>>>>>tracks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this normal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DOn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4538ed12@linux...
>>>>>> > Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got it
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Don
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message =
>>>>>>news:4538a5f0@linux...
>>>>>> >>I am presently
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 1) sending stuff to cubase and back
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 2) recording into cubase or transferring files into cubase,
=
>>>>>>processing=20
>>>>>> >> them and then sending them back to Paris.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> The second option is time aligned and sample accurate (without
>> =
>>>>>>plugs) but=20
>>>>>> >> going out and back creates at least a 50 ms delay (without
>>>>>> plugs)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> My question is how do I determine the exact time delay for the
>> =
>>>>>>round=20
>>>>>> >> trip...I can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial
>> and
>>>>> =
>>>>>>error=20
>>>>>> >> thing or can this be determined accurately beforehand
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Don
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>>> >> news:453843ca$1@linux...
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
>>>>> =
>>>>>>SX3=20
>>>>>> >>> going
>>>>>> >>> either way, with Paris as master, via adat 9 pin sync.
>>>>>> >>> This doesn't take into account any plugs in cubase though,
just
>>>>> =
>>>>>>dry=20
>>>>>> >>> tracks.
>>>>>> >>> As far as using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate,
>> but
>>>>> =
>>>>>>it's as
>>>>>> >>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those timecodes, by
=
>>>>>>nature, are=20
>>>>>> >>> not
>>>>>> >>> accurate on the sample level, but are fine for most things,
as
>> =
>>>>>>long as=20
>>>>>> >>> phase
>>>>>> >>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't needed. I have
>>>>>> done
>>>>> =
>>>>>>tests,=20
>>>>>> >>> however,
>>>>>> >>> and MTC is tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)
>>>>>> >>> Rod
>>>>>> >>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>May I ask how and also how you determined the latency settings
>> =
>>>>>>for Paris
>>>>>> >>> or
>>>>>> >>>>your second rig and the various plugins you use?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>I realise that's a loaded question but I'm having trouble =
>>>>>>getting zero
>>>>>> >>>>latency just flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other
>> =
>>>>>>rig with
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper let alone adding plugs into the
=
>>>>>>equation
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>Thanks
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>>> >>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the master also and like your
>> =
>>>>>>setup rock
>>>>>> >>>>>>solid...the question was more of a "like to know" question
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>As to sample accurate, is this flying tracks to and from
>>>>>> Paris
>>>>> =
>>>>>>or just
>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>Paris
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>DOn
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Both.
>>>>>> >>>>> Gene
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >=20
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>></HEAD>
>>>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There might be some other issues going
>>>>> =
>>>>>>on=20
>>>>>>because side by side snare and a reverse polarity snare do not=20
>>>>>>null...hmmmm....very interesting</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas as to why this might ne=20
>>>>>>happening?</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>>> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote
>> =
>>>>>>in message=20
>>>>>> <A href=3D"news:45391d65@linux">news:45391d65@linux</A>...</DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try SampleSlide and you should get
>> a
>>>>> =
>>>>>>complete=20
>>>>>> null.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the process you may need to nudge
>>>>> =
>>>>>>the track=20
>>>>>> one more/less</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>millisecond to work.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
=
>>>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>>> <DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"news:4538f824$1@linux">news:4538f824$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I
>> =
>>>>>>spoke too=20
>>>>>> soon...I can get really close but can not get total nulling of
=
>>>>>><BR>two snare=20
>>>>>> tracks (one phase reversed)<BR><BR>I'm getting the equvilent of
a
>> =
>>>>>>drop of=20
>>>>>> 17db when summing the two tracks<BR><BR>Is this=20
>>>>>> normal?<BR><BR>DOn<BR><BR><BR>"Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>>>>>message <A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"news:4538ed12@linux">news:4538ed12@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
>>>>>> Nevermind...took a while and a PITA but I think I've got =
>>>>>>it<BR>><BR>>=20
>>>>>> Don<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote in =
>>>>>>message <A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"news:4538a5f0@linux">news:4538a5f0@linux</A>...<BR>>>I
=
>>>>>>am=20
>>>>>> presently<BR>>><BR>>> 1) sending stuff to cubase and=20
>>>>>> back<BR>>><BR>>> 2) recording into cubase or =
>>>>>>transferring files=20
>>>>>> into cubase, processing <BR>>> them and then sending them back
=
>>>>>>to=20
>>>>>> Paris.<BR>>><BR>>> The second option is time aligned and =
>>>>>>sample=20
>>>>>> accurate (without plugs) but <BR>>> going out and back creates
=
>>>>>>at=20
>>>>>> least a 50 ms delay (without plugs)<BR>>><BR>>> My =
>>>>>>question is=20
>>>>>> how do I determine the exact time delay for the round <BR>>> =
>>>>>>trip...I=20
>>>>>> can get close but not close enough. Is this a trial and error=20
>>>>>> <BR>>> thing or can this be determined accurately=20
>>>>>> beforehand<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>=20
>>>>>> Don<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospamn.kc.rr.com</A>=
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> wrote in message <BR>>> <A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D"news:453843ca$1@linux">news:453843ca$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>>>>>>t;<BR>>>>=20
>>>>>> Don, FWIW, I have sample accurate sync between Paris and Cubase
>>>>>> SX3=20
>>>>>> <BR>>>> going<BR>>>> either way, with Paris as =
>>>>>>master, via=20
>>>>>> adat 9 pin sync.<BR>>>> This doesn't take into account any =
>>>>>>plugs in=20
>>>>>> cubase though, just dry <BR>>>> tracks.<BR>>>> As =
>>>>>>far as=20
>>>>>> using Paris as a slave...it's not sample accurate, but it's=20
>>>>>> as<BR>>>> close as anything is with smpte or mtc. Those =
>>>>>>timecodes,=20
>>>>>> by nature, are <BR>>>> not<BR>>>> accurate on the =
>>>>>>sample=20
>>>>>> level, but are fine for most things, as long as <BR>>>>=20
>>>>>> phase<BR>>>> coherency (a la a multi miked drumkit) isn't =
>>>>>>needed. I=20
>>>>>> have done tests, <BR>>>> however,<BR>>>> and MTC =
>>>>>>is=20
>>>>>> tighter than SMPTE converted to MTC (Paris as slave)<BR>>>> =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rod<BR>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>>>May I ask how and also how you determined =
>>>>>>the=20
>>>>>> latency settings for Paris<BR>>>> =
>>>>>>or<BR>>>>>your second=20
>>>>>> rig and the various plugins you=20
>>>>>> use?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I realise that's a =
>>>>>>loaded=20
>>>>>> question but I'm having trouble getting =
>>>>>>zero<BR>>>>>latency just=20
>>>>>> flying back and forth my Paris rig and my other rig =20
>>>>>> with<BR>>>><BR>>>>>Cubase / SawStudio / Reaper =
>>>>>>let=20
>>>>>> alone adding plugs into the=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>equation<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks<BR>>>>>=
>>>>>>;<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Gene=20
>>>>>> Lennon" <<A =
>>>>>>href=3D"mailto:glennon@NOSP.com">glennon@NOSP.com</A>> wrote=20
>>>>>> in message=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>><BR>>>>>news:4537e097$1@linux...<BR>>>>>><BR>&=
>>>>>>gt;>>>>=20
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>>>>>My Paris rig is the presently the =
>>>>>>master=20
>>>>>> also and like your setup rock<BR>>>>>>>solid...the =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> question was more of a "like to know"=20
>>>>>> question<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>As =
>>>>>>to sample=20
>>>>>> accurate, is this flying tracks to and from Paris or =
>>>>>>just<BR>>>>=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>to<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Paris<BR>>>&g=
>>>>>>t;>>><BR>>>>>>>DOn<BR>>>>>>>=
>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Both.<BR>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>Gene<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><=
>>>>>>BR>>><BR>><BR>>=20
>>>>>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
>>>>> =
>>>>>>and=20
>>>>>> you?<BR><A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>>>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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