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Does "mixing down" shorten track length [message #83313]

Wed, 18 April 2007 05:46

Don Nafe

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Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

This is weird

I just "mixed down" an edited drum track and when I brought it into Nuendo
with the music track I edited it too it was short by roughly 173 ms

So I brought the L&R (Drum edit mix) PAF's back into the project and
although they lined up musically when I zoomed into the front of the tracks
sure enough there was a space between the start of the track and "zero" on
the time line.

Rendering these tracks gave them both a zero start point and all was well
with the world but man what a friggin surprise

I've never noticed this before...is this normal?

DOn

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Re: Does "mixing down" shorten track length [message #83314 is a reply to message #83313]

Wed, 18 April 2007 06:05

Tom Bruhl

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Don,
Yes this is normal. Paris takes about 173 ms to get=20
the wheels churning on the 2 mix. It can be a pain
if your tracks start too close to zero. You did the right thing
to correct it though. If you had any processing on the group
out then you will have to adjust for the lookahead there too.
Tom

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:46261411@linux...
This is weird

I just "mixed down" an edited drum track and when I brought it into =
Nuendo
with the music track I edited it too it was short by roughly 173 ms

So I brought the L&R (Drum edit mix) PAF's back into the project and
although they lined up musically when I zoomed into the front of the =
tracks
sure enough there was a space between the start of the track and =
"zero" on
the time line.

Rendering these tracks gave them both a zero start point and all was =
well
with the world but man what a friggin surprise

I've never noticed this before...is this normal?

DOn

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Re: Does "mixing down" shorten track length [message #83315 is a reply to message #83313]

Wed, 18 April 2007 06:19

Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

Yes Don, this is normal. This happens when you do a "bounce to disk" mix.
It has to do with how long it takes the CPU to start crunching the numbers.
It will be different, depending on CPU speed, for everyone. It's also different
from 16 bit to 24 bit.
(24 is more). You did the right thing by pulling in the segments of the bounce
and rendering. Do that every time and you'll be good.
If you do a mix using the adat in and out, this won't happen.
I think every DAW has some timing anomalies when using bounce to disk, at
least I know CubaseSX, 4, protools LE and DP4 do, except their opposite of
Paris. Their a little longer. I get files from clients that use these DAWS
regularly and I always have to shave a little off the front to get the clicks
to line up with my grid.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>This is weird
>
>I just "mixed down" an edited drum track and when I brought it into Nuendo
>with the music track I edited it too it was short by roughly 173 ms
>
>So I brought the L&R (Drum edit mix) PAF's back into the project and
>although they lined up musically when I zoomed into the front of the tracks
>sure enough there was a space between the start of the track and "zero"
on
>the time line.
>
>Rendering these tracks gave them both a zero start point and all was well
>with the world but man what a friggin surprise
>
>I've never noticed this before...is this normal?
>
>DOn
>
>

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Re: Does "mixing down" shorten track length [message #83316 is a reply to message #83315]

Wed, 18 April 2007 06:21

Don Nafe

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Registered: July 2005

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Thanks guys

I've rarely had to line up pre-recorded tracks with "mixed" tracks from
Paris (after the fact on another DAW) so I was unaware of this little
issue....either that or completely forgot about it

DOn

"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46261afa$1@linux...
>
> Yes Don, this is normal. This happens when you do a "bounce to disk" mix.
> It has to do with how long it takes the CPU to start crunching the
> numbers.
> It will be different, depending on CPU speed, for everyone. It's also
> different
> from 16 bit to 24 bit.
> (24 is more). You did the right thing by pulling in the segments of the
> bounce
> and rendering. Do that every time and you'll be good.
> If you do a mix using the adat in and out, this won't happen.
> I think every DAW has some timing anomalies when using bounce to disk, at
> least I know CubaseSX, 4, protools LE and DP4 do, except their opposite of
> Paris. Their a little longer. I get files from clients that use these DAWS
> regularly and I always have to shave a little off the front to get the
> clicks
> to line up with my grid.
> Rod
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>This is weird
>>
>>I just "mixed down" an edited drum track and when I brought it into Nuendo
>>with the music track I edited it too it was short by roughly 173 ms
>>
>>So I brought the L&R (Drum edit mix) PAF's back into the project and
>>although they lined up musically when I zoomed into the front of the
>>tracks
>>sure enough there was a space between the start of the track and "zero"
> on
>>the time line.
>>
>>Rendering these tracks gave them both a zero start point and all was well
>>with the world but man what a friggin surprise
>>
>>I've never noticed this before...is this normal?
>>
>>DOn
>>
>>
>

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Re: Does "mixing down" shorten track length [message #83324 is a reply to message #83316]

Wed, 18 April 2007 07:04

Rod Lincoln
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Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

it's about 23ms, small but there. zoom in and check it out sometime. I'd be
interested.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Thanks guys
>
>I've rarely had to line up pre-recorded tracks with "mixed" tracks from

>Paris (after the fact on another DAW) so I was unaware of this little
>issue....either that or completely forgot about it
>
>DOn
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:46261afa$1@linux...
>>
>> Yes Don, this is normal. This happens when you do a "bounce to disk" mix.
>> It has to do with how long it takes the CPU to start crunching the
>> numbers.
>> It will be different, depending on CPU speed, for everyone. It's also

>> different
>> from 16 bit to 24 bit.
>> (24 is more). You did the right thing by pulling in the segments of the

>> bounce
>> and rendering. Do that every time and you'll be good.
>> If you do a mix using the adat in and out, this won't happen.
>> I think every DAW has some timing anomalies when using bounce to disk,
at
>> least I know CubaseSX, 4, protools LE and DP4 do, except their opposite
of
>> Paris. Their a little longer. I get files from clients that use these
DAWS
>> regularly and I always have to shave a little off the front to get the

>> clicks
>> to line up with my grid.
>> Rod
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>This is weird
>>>
>>>I just "mixed down" an edited drum track and when I brought it into Nuendo
>>>with the music track I edited it too it was short by roughly 173 ms
>>>
>>>So I brought the L&R (Drum edit mix) PAF's back into the project and
>>>although they lined up musically when I zoomed into the front of the
>>>tracks
>>>sure enough there was a space between the start of the track and "zero"
>> on
>>>the time line.
>>>
>>>Rendering these tracks gave them both a zero start point and all was well
>>>with the world but man what a friggin surprise
>>>
>>>I've never noticed this before...is this normal?
>>>
>>>DOn
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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