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| Re: Hello!!!!????? [message #68830 is a reply to message #68829] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 21:55   |
Dedric Terry
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Like the dude said - "if it sucks, it will still suck, but you'll be able to
make it a lot quicker in traction"...er sorry...Tracktion.
On 6/1/06 10:24 PM, in article 447fbd8d$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> This one is worth a laugh or two. This is the worst promotional product
> video I've seen in a long time! What were they thinking? Yeah dude, sounds
> great!
>
> I have vary little respect for Mackie these days.
>
> http://mackie.com/products/tracktion2/t2_overview.html
>
> James
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> No activity here in so long. Is everyone just waiting to see who will
>>> notice this first and say something about it?.............it's a game,
>>> right?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, I could open my big mouth, but that would just get me in to trouble.
>> Oh what the hell! I heard a rumor that there is a video coming out. Damn
>> I knew I couldn't keep my big mouth shut: O
>>
>> While we're waiting, check this video out if your bored. Whatz your pick?
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/OSP-STM-1300-LARGE-DIAPHRAGM-CONDENSER-M ICROPHONE-MIC_W0Q
>> QitemZ7417313704QQcategoryZ41466QQcmdZViewItem
>>
>> James
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| Re: Hello!!!!????? [message #68832 is a reply to message #68830] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 22:20 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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I got it. In MHO, if you trying to be a professional company with a professional
product, present it that way, or be considered a joke with a toy product.
Mackie has made some serious bad moves in recent years. The d8b was a turd,
now they want people to forget about that product and buy their new digital
mixer for 20K, I don't think so. They have fired a lot of their work force,
and are now manufacturing their products in China. That makes me not want
to buy their products.
If I was the product manager for Traction, I wouldn't put out a video like
that. I would want to make the product better, and a serious contender.
They own SoundScape, they should be able to put something out that would
get taken seriously. In short they should lose that video! It's just plain
sad.
James
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Like the dude said - "if it sucks, it will still suck, but you'll be able
to
>make it a lot quicker in traction"...er sorry...Tracktion.
>
>On 6/1/06 10:24 PM, in article 447fbd8d$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> This one is worth a laugh or two. This is the worst promotional product
>> video I've seen in a long time! What were they thinking? Yeah dude,
sounds
>> great!
>>
>> I have vary little respect for Mackie these days.
>>
>> http://mackie.com/products/tracktion2/t2_overview.html
>>
>> James
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> No activity here in so long. Is everyone just waiting to see who will
>>>> notice this first and say something about it?.............it's a game,
>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I could open my big mouth, but that would just get me in to trouble.
>>> Oh what the hell! I heard a rumor that there is a video coming out.
Damn
>>> I knew I couldn't keep my big mouth shut: O
>>>
>>> While we're waiting, check this video out if your bored. Whatz your
pick?
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/OSP-STM-1300-LARGE-DIAPHRAGM-CONDENSER-M ICROPHONE-MIC_W0Q
>>> QitemZ7417313704QQcategoryZ41466QQcmdZViewItem
>>>
>>> James
>>
>
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| Re: Hello!!!!????? [message #68834 is a reply to message #68832] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 22:31 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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I agree, though I do like the interface a lot. It's certainly zimpler than
Cubase.........but anything is simpler than Cubase..........except
Logic.........errr...........and
Samplitude...............uhhhh.........errr............and maybe
Sonar........;oP
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:447fca8a$1@linux...
>
> I got it. In MHO, if you trying to be a professional company with a
professional
> product, present it that way, or be considered a joke with a toy product.
> Mackie has made some serious bad moves in recent years. The d8b was a
turd,
> now they want people to forget about that product and buy their new
digital
> mixer for 20K, I don't think so. They have fired a lot of their work
force,
> and are now manufacturing their products in China. That makes me not want
> to buy their products.
>
> If I was the product manager for Traction, I wouldn't put out a video like
> that. I would want to make the product better, and a serious contender.
> They own SoundScape, they should be able to put something out that would
> get taken seriously. In short they should lose that video! It's just
plain
> sad.
>
> James
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >Like the dude said - "if it sucks, it will still suck, but you'll be able
> to
> >make it a lot quicker in traction"...er sorry...Tracktion.
> >
> >On 6/1/06 10:24 PM, in article 447fbd8d$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> This one is worth a laugh or two. This is the worst promotional
product
> >> video I've seen in a long time! What were they thinking? Yeah dude,
> sounds
> >> great!
> >>
> >> I have vary little respect for Mackie these days.
> >>
> >> http://mackie.com/products/tracktion2/t2_overview.html
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>> No activity here in so long. Is everyone just waiting to see who
will
> >>>> notice this first and say something about it?.............it's a
game,
> >>>> right?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, I could open my big mouth, but that would just get me in to
trouble.
> >>> Oh what the hell! I heard a rumor that there is a video coming out.
> Damn
> >>> I knew I couldn't keep my big mouth shut: O
> >>>
> >>> While we're waiting, check this video out if your bored. Whatz your
> pick?
> >>>
> >>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/OSP-STM-1300-LARGE-DIAPHRAGM-CONDENSER-M ICROPHONE-MIC_W0
Q
> >>> QitemZ7417313704QQcategoryZ41466QQcmdZViewItem
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>
> >
>
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| Re: Hello!!!!????? [message #68837 is a reply to message #68834] |
Fri, 02 June 2006 03:09 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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hey, all you have to do is think like german with time (lots of time)
on your hands and logic is a snap. just remember to use these two
phrases...why the hell did they do...and what the hell did they do as
your daily mantra and snap turns into snappy.
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:31:13 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I agree, though I do like the interface a lot. It's certainly zimpler than
>Cubase.........but anything is simpler than Cubase..........except
>Logic.........errr...........and
>Samplitude...............uhhhh.........errr............and maybe
>Sonar........;oP
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:447fca8a$1@linux...
>>
>> I got it. In MHO, if you trying to be a professional company with a
>professional
>> product, present it that way, or be considered a joke with a toy product.
>> Mackie has made some serious bad moves in recent years. The d8b was a
>turd,
>> now they want people to forget about that product and buy their new
>digital
>> mixer for 20K, I don't think so. They have fired a lot of their work
>force,
>> and are now manufacturing their products in China. That makes me not want
>> to buy their products.
>>
>> If I was the product manager for Traction, I wouldn't put out a video like
>> that. I would want to make the product better, and a serious contender.
>> They own SoundScape, they should be able to put something out that would
>> get taken seriously. In short they should lose that video! It's just
>plain
>> sad.
>>
>> James
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >Like the dude said - "if it sucks, it will still suck, but you'll be able
>> to
>> >make it a lot quicker in traction"...er sorry...Tracktion.
>> >
>> >On 6/1/06 10:24 PM, in article 447fbd8d$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> This one is worth a laugh or two. This is the worst promotional
>product
>> >> video I've seen in a long time! What were they thinking? Yeah dude,
>> sounds
>> >> great!
>> >>
>> >> I have vary little respect for Mackie these days.
>> >>
>> >> http://mackie.com/products/tracktion2/t2_overview.html
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>>> No activity here in so long. Is everyone just waiting to see who
>will
>> >>>> notice this first and say something about it?.............it's a
>game,
>> >>>> right?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, I could open my big mouth, but that would just get me in to
>trouble.
>> >>> Oh what the hell! I heard a rumor that there is a video coming out.
>> Damn
>> >>> I knew I couldn't keep my big mouth shut: O
>> >>>
>> >>> While we're waiting, check this video out if your bored. Whatz your
>> pick?
>> >>>
>> >>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/OSP-STM-1300-LARGE-DIAPHRAGM-CONDENSER-M ICROPHONE-MIC_W0
>Q
>> >>> QitemZ7417313704QQcategoryZ41466QQcmdZViewItem
>> >>>
>> >>> James
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
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| Re: Hello!!!!????? [message #68843 is a reply to message #68832] |
Fri, 02 June 2006 07:25 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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James - I was (poorly) poking fun at the video, not reiterating its' point -
I figured you got the point, and then some.
You are right, it doesn't sell Tracktion to anyone but 14 year old males who
really don't make very good music, but want to think they do. I don't think
Mackie is aiming for pros here.
They are probably trying to be hip (without success). Maybe that means we
aren't, but I would rather be discerning than hip anyway.
Tracktion has never made my list to consider for any reason, other than
being slightly entertained by a rather silly video that could have been
funny if it wasn't a product demo.
Regards,
Dedric
On 6/1/06 11:20 PM, in article 447fca8a$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I got it. In MHO, if you trying to be a professional company with a
> professional
> product, present it that way, or be considered a joke with a toy product.
> Mackie has made some serious bad moves in recent years. The d8b was a turd,
> now they want people to forget about that product and buy their new digital
> mixer for 20K, I don't think so. They have fired a lot of their work force,
> and are now manufacturing their products in China. That makes me not want
> to buy their products.
>
> If I was the product manager for Traction, I wouldn't put out a video like
> that. I would want to make the product better, and a serious contender.
> They own SoundScape, they should be able to put something out that would
> get taken seriously. In short they should lose that video! It's just plain
> sad.
>
> James
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Like the dude said - "if it sucks, it will still suck, but you'll be able
> to
>> make it a lot quicker in traction"...er sorry...Tracktion.
>>
>> On 6/1/06 10:24 PM, in article 447fbd8d$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This one is worth a laugh or two. This is the worst promotional product
>>> video I've seen in a long time! What were they thinking? Yeah dude,
> sounds
>>> great!
>>>
>>> I have vary little respect for Mackie these days.
>>>
>>> http://mackie.com/products/tracktion2/t2_overview.html
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> No activity here in so long. Is everyone just waiting to see who will
>>>>> notice this first and say something about it?.............it's a game,
>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I could open my big mouth, but that would just get me in to trouble.
>>>> Oh what the hell! I heard a rumor that there is a video coming out.
> Damn
>>>> I knew I couldn't keep my big mouth shut: O
>>>>
>>>> While we're waiting, check this video out if your bored. Whatz your
> pick?
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/OSP-STM-1300-LARGE-DIAPHRAGM-CONDENSER-M ICROPHONE-MIC_W
>>>> 0Q
>>>> QitemZ7417313704QQcategoryZ41466QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Hello!!!!????? [message #68848 is a reply to message #68843] |
Fri, 02 June 2006 08:50 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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I'm just vary disappointed in Mackie as an american company. I think a video
that says, hey you can make a bunch of crappy music really fast with our
product, isn't vary appealing. Mackie has been making some really bad decisions
for some time now. Their corporate greed has been showing through for some
time now. They fired their work force and now they manufacture in China.
I wish they would have never went public.
When I was doing more with my pro audio sales I tried to take on a d8b dealership.
They wanted me to pay them $80,000.00 in cash up front to become a dealer.
Talk about front loading! All their products are a separate dealership,
for each one they want you to hand them about 5-80K!!!! Other companies
don't slice and dice and front load. It's usually one to show and one to
go, not 10 d8bs up front plus accessories. To me that is greed!
The day they showed the d8b, I spoke to Greg Mackie about improvements they
could make to the product, and what my customers were asking for. I told
him that since it was a computer in side the d8b, why not add a removable
hard drive and HD recording software, a CD burner and mastering software
for a complete solution. It was obvious to me he had an epiphany, but yet
he scoffed at the idea. Later they sliced and diced that idea with their
MDMs and charged a lot of money for them. I also told him that commercial
studios, such as SSL rooms wanted a digital mixer for their B rooms, but
they wanted a lot more I/Os. Not enough I/Os was the biggest complaint about
the 02r. I suggested an add on breakout box with lots of I/O, and give
the d8b more layers, he scoffed at that too. By the way the d8b was vaporware
for almost two years after that. Sure glad I didn't buy in to that mess.
I think they have lost their way. Their mission statement of creating great
inexpensive products for working musicians has been replaced by, wow them
and sell them fast and make as much money as possible. I don't think they
have good direction, and their product lines seem somewhat convoluted. I
think they could do a lot better with Traction. That video is lame!
Although, the plugs in Traction might be worth the price of admission. Any
comments on Final Mix? Are they all VST that can be used with other software?
James
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>James - I was (poorly) poking fun at the video, not reiterating its' point
-
>I figured you got the point, and then some.
>
>You are right, it doesn't sell Tracktion to anyone but 14 year old males
who
>really don't make very good music, but want to think they do. I don't think
>Mackie is aiming for pros here.
>
>They are probably trying to be hip (without success). Maybe that means
we
>aren't, but I would rather be discerning than hip anyway.
>
>Tracktion has never made my list to consider for any reason, other than
>being slightly entertained by a rather silly video that could have been
>funny if it wasn't a product demo.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 6/1/06 11:20 PM, in article 447fca8a$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I got it. In MHO, if you trying to be a professional company with a
>> professional
>> product, present it that way, or be considered a joke with a toy product.
>> Mackie has made some serious bad moves in recent years. The d8b was a
turd,
>> now they want people to forget about that product and buy their new digital
>> mixer for 20K, I don't think so. They have fired a lot of their work
force,
>> and are now manufacturing their products in China. That makes me not
want
>> to buy their products.
>>
>> If I was the product manager for Traction, I wouldn't put out a video
like
>> that. I would want to make the product better, and a serious contender.
>> They own SoundScape, they should be able to put something out that would
>> get taken seriously. In short they should lose that video! It's just
plain
>> sad.
>>
>> James
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Like the dude said - "if it sucks, it will still suck, but you'll be
able
>> to
>>> make it a lot quicker in traction"...er sorry...Tracktion.
>>>
>>> On 6/1/06 10:24 PM, in article 447fbd8d$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This one is worth a laugh or two. This is the worst promotional product
>>>> video I've seen in a long time! What were they thinking? Yeah dude,
>> sounds
>>>> great!
>>>>
>>>> I have vary little respect for Mackie these days.
>>>>
>>>> http://mackie.com/products/tracktion2/t2_overview.html
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>> No activity here in so long. Is everyone just waiting to see who
will
>>>>>> notice this first and say something about it?.............it's a game,
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I could open my big mouth, but that would just get me in to trouble.
>>>>> Oh what the hell! I heard a rumor that there is a video coming out.
>> Damn
>>>>> I knew I couldn't keep my big mouth shut: O
>>>>>
>>>>> While we're waiting, check this video out if your bored. Whatz your
>> pick?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/OSP-STM-1300-LARGE-DIAPHRAGM-CONDENSER-M ICROPHONE-MIC_W
>>>>> 0Q
>>>>> QitemZ7417313704QQcategoryZ41466QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Hello!!!!????? [message #68875 is a reply to message #68869] |
Fri, 02 June 2006 16:15 |
Paul Braun
Messages: 391
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:36:41 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Oh....so he's gonna be checking out the goboes?
>
>;oP
>
>> NO, but I bet there'll be some great front end gear there.
>> One vote for the camera.
>> AA
>>
>> > Why take a camera? There's not gonna' be any preamps or compressors on
>> > the
>> > beach.
>> >
Yes, I'll be checking out the goboes. And the knobs. And I'm sure I'll
see some compression.
I'm not sure if our beach is "clothing optional", so I'm not sure how
much I'll see.
However, years ago when we went to Jamaica and walked Negril, aside
from one girl, the only women we saw topless had absolutely no reason
to. That, and the 85-year-old grandmother. That was just wrong.
That, plus the really heavy, pasty-white European guys with gold
chains and Speedos. That was also just wrong. Rule of thumb -- if
you put a Speedo on, and you can't see it when you look down, you
should not be wearing one.
I am bringing the Olympus E1 with 3Gb of CF cards, and there's a
second 12gb hard drive in the ThinkPad, so I will try to get as many
photos as I can. Not all of chicas... I AM, after all, going with the
little woman. I would prefer to come back without major bruising.
"But dear, I **HAVE** to! The guys made me!!!"
Yeah, that'll work.
;-P
pab
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