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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings [message #97754 is a reply to message #97753] |
Fri, 04 April 2008 09:19   |
Bill L
Messages: 766
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On the Cleartone website they show a picture comparing Cleartones to
"other" coated strings, showing the peeling on the other. They claim
their one micron finish won't peel. My electric gtr strings are
certainly intact after a month.
Kerry Galloway wrote:
> In article <47f625d3$1@linux>, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>> sounds great ! i'm an elixer addict for the same reasons
>
> Isn't it odd how much it boils down to "different strokes for different
> folks? I bought Elixir bass strings for a Fender Jazz Bass for a session
> a few years back. They were comparatively expensive, but the idea that
> they tended not to degrade quickly over time was highly appealing for
> consistency of tone over multiple tracks in session work.
>
> I'm a moderate-intesity fingerstyle player with over twenty-five years
> of freelancing behind me - neither a Gary Willis ultralight touch or a
> hard-driving slammer; the bass was in good shape with no fret anomalies
> I could feel, and I installed them with care.
>
> So imagine my surprise when during the second cut of the session they
> started shedding their wrappings onto the fingerboard. Not one but
> *three* of the strings started doing the "snake peeling off its skin"
> thing between the seventh and fifteenth frets. By the end of the first
> day the coating was effectively worn off, - and unfortunately, unevenly
> enough that I had to replace the set.
>
> If one string had shed, I might have written it off to a bad string, but
> shedding over multiple strings was too much for me. I suppose I might
> have got a bad set, but I wrote it off as a failed experiment that I had
> little incentive to repeat.
>
> Go figure.
>
> - Kerry
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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings [message #97755 is a reply to message #97754] |
Fri, 04 April 2008 09:44 |
Kerry Galloway
Messages: 56
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ahhh-HAH, thank you for the "heads-up"!
- Kerry
In article <47f657da@linux>, Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> On the Cleartone website they show a picture comparing Cleartones to
> "other" coated strings, showing the peeling on the other. They claim
> their one micron finish won't peel. My electric gtr strings are
> certainly intact after a month.
>
> Kerry Galloway wrote:
> > In article <47f625d3$1@linux>, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >
> >> sounds great ! i'm an elixer addict for the same reasons
> >
> > Isn't it odd how much it boils down to "different strokes for different
> > folks? I bought Elixir bass strings for a Fender Jazz Bass for a session
> > a few years back. They were comparatively expensive, but the idea that
> > they tended not to degrade quickly over time was highly appealing for
> > consistency of tone over multiple tracks in session work.
> >
> > I'm a moderate-intesity fingerstyle player with over twenty-five years
> > of freelancing behind me - neither a Gary Willis ultralight touch or a
> > hard-driving slammer; the bass was in good shape with no fret anomalies
> > I could feel, and I installed them with care.
> >
> > So imagine my surprise when during the second cut of the session they
> > started shedding their wrappings onto the fingerboard. Not one but
> > *three* of the strings started doing the "snake peeling off its skin"
> > thing between the seventh and fifteenth frets. By the end of the first
> > day the coating was effectively worn off, - and unfortunately, unevenly
> > enough that I had to replace the set.
> >
> > If one string had shed, I might have written it off to a bad string, but
> > shedding over multiple strings was too much for me. I suppose I might
> > have got a bad set, but I wrote it off as a failed experiment that I had
> > little incentive to repeat.
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > - Kerry
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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings [message #97759 is a reply to message #97754] |
Fri, 04 April 2008 17:21 |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007
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Bill,
I change strings nearly every other day on my electric because I really
press hard and bend a lot and therefore it puts dents up and down the
strings. I use light 10s-56. I'd love to not change so much and keep tone
but how do I get around the wearing of the strings from bending?
Wayne
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47f657da@linux...
> On the Cleartone website they show a picture comparing Cleartones to
> "other" coated strings, showing the peeling on the other. They claim their
> one micron finish won't peel. My electric gtr strings are certainly intact
> after a month.
>
> Kerry Galloway wrote:
>> In article <47f625d3$1@linux>, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>> sounds great ! i'm an elixer addict for the same reasons
>>
>> Isn't it odd how much it boils down to "different strokes for different
>> folks? I bought Elixir bass strings for a Fender Jazz Bass for a session
>> a few years back. They were comparatively expensive, but the idea that
>> they tended not to degrade quickly over time was highly appealing for
>> consistency of tone over multiple tracks in session work.
>>
>> I'm a moderate-intesity fingerstyle player with over twenty-five years of
>> freelancing behind me - neither a Gary Willis ultralight touch or a
>> hard-driving slammer; the bass was in good shape with no fret anomalies I
>> could feel, and I installed them with care. So imagine my surprise when
>> during the second cut of the session they started shedding their
>> wrappings onto the fingerboard. Not one but *three* of the strings
>> started doing the "snake peeling off its skin" thing between the seventh
>> and fifteenth frets. By the end of the first day the coating was
>> effectively worn off, - and unfortunately, unevenly enough that I had to
>> replace the set. If one string had shed, I might have written it off to a
>> bad string, but shedding over multiple strings was too much for me. I
>> suppose I might have got a bad set, but I wrote it off as a failed
>> experiment that I had little incentive to repeat.
>>
>> Go figure.
>>
>> - Kerry
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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings [message #97761 is a reply to message #97759] |
Fri, 04 April 2008 17:53 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Wow, I've never seen dents in the strings. Whadda you got for fingers,
c-clamps? I don't think these will prevent what you are running into.
A long (don't ask how long) time ago when I was playing 5 sets of disco
(alright, now you know how long ago) every night I changed a couple
times a week, mainly for breakage prevention but also to keep them
bright sounding.
Wayne Carson wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I change strings nearly every other day on my electric because I really
> press hard and bend a lot and therefore it puts dents up and down the
> strings. I use light 10s-56. I'd love to not change so much and keep tone
> but how do I get around the wearing of the strings from bending?
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47f657da@linux...
>> On the Cleartone website they show a picture comparing Cleartones to
>> "other" coated strings, showing the peeling on the other. They claim their
>> one micron finish won't peel. My electric gtr strings are certainly intact
>> after a month.
>>
>> Kerry Galloway wrote:
>>> In article <47f625d3$1@linux>, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> sounds great ! i'm an elixer addict for the same reasons
>>> Isn't it odd how much it boils down to "different strokes for different
>>> folks? I bought Elixir bass strings for a Fender Jazz Bass for a session
>>> a few years back. They were comparatively expensive, but the idea that
>>> they tended not to degrade quickly over time was highly appealing for
>>> consistency of tone over multiple tracks in session work.
>>>
>>> I'm a moderate-intesity fingerstyle player with over twenty-five years of
>>> freelancing behind me - neither a Gary Willis ultralight touch or a
>>> hard-driving slammer; the bass was in good shape with no fret anomalies I
>>> could feel, and I installed them with care. So imagine my surprise when
>>> during the second cut of the session they started shedding their
>>> wrappings onto the fingerboard. Not one but *three* of the strings
>>> started doing the "snake peeling off its skin" thing between the seventh
>>> and fifteenth frets. By the end of the first day the coating was
>>> effectively worn off, - and unfortunately, unevenly enough that I had to
>>> replace the set. If one string had shed, I might have written it off to a
>>> bad string, but shedding over multiple strings was too much for me. I
>>> suppose I might have got a bad set, but I wrote it off as a failed
>>> experiment that I had little incentive to repeat.
>>>
>>> Go figure.
>>>
>>> - Kerry
>
>
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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings [message #97782 is a reply to message #97761] |
Sat, 05 April 2008 12:15 |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007
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Bill,
Ha! that did sound funny. What I meant and I know you knew, was that the
strings get what almost feel like notches at the fret area where I do most
the blues/rock type bending actions. When I wrap and wipe the strings up
and down the length with a cut up cloth "t"-shirt to remove sweat and finger
gunk after a fun night I can feel little abnormalities in the strings. I
can't see them but I can feel them. As a side note I also need fret
replacement every 3-4 years.
That's about the same situation for me now. 5 to 6 sets a night in the
Nevada casino lounges. I can get 4 days out of a set if I play easy every
night, but if we've got a decent gig I can grunge them up in two nights by
bending and pull offs and hammer on's and sweating and by the end of the
second night the 3 wound strings have lost their brilliance and the 3 high
strings have notches. And for the same reason, change often for breakage
prevention.
Since I currently change so often I purchase GHS Fatties at GC because I get
them for $2 bucks a set and I buy them in gross about 50 packs at a time,
which will last nearly a year for me. I'm not particularly fond of these
strings but do it for budget reasons. Maybe a string set at twice the price
($4) will yield me a solid 4 days. A set at ($6), a whole week! Yahoo, now
were talking.
I do get tired of changing so often. Fortunately, I'm a creature of habit
and I've got the whole polishing, string replacement and hardware check down
to about 1/2 hour.
On my Martin acoustic I maintain strings for about 2 months, maybe 3/4 if I
don't play it as much. I've got Cleartone on it at the moment and have also
used Martin SP and Elixers. I'm on the fence on all of these. The Martin's
are warmer and almost sound thick with less brightness. The Elixer's seem
to change the tone just a bit to a brighter thinner sound and the Cleartone
seemed to be about in between the two. If I recall, I think the Elixer's
maintained there particular sound/tone the longest.
Sincerely,
Wayne
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47f6d070@linux...
> Wow, I've never seen dents in the strings. Whadda you got for fingers,
> c-clamps? I don't think these will prevent what you are running into.
>
> A long (don't ask how long) time ago when I was playing 5 sets of disco
> (alright, now you know how long ago) every night I changed a couple times
> a week, mainly for breakage prevention but also to keep them bright
> sounding.
>
> Wayne Carson wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> I change strings nearly every other day on my electric because I really
>> press hard and bend a lot and therefore it puts dents up and down the
>> strings. I use light 10s-56. I'd love to not change so much and keep
>> tone but how do I get around the wearing of the strings from bending?
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47f657da@linux...
>>> On the Cleartone website they show a picture comparing Cleartones to
>>> "other" coated strings, showing the peeling on the other. They claim
>>> their one micron finish won't peel. My electric gtr strings are
>>> certainly intact after a month.
>>>
>>> Kerry Galloway wrote:
>>>> In article <47f625d3$1@linux>, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sounds great ! i'm an elixer addict for the same reasons
>>>> Isn't it odd how much it boils down to "different strokes for different
>>>> folks? I bought Elixir bass strings for a Fender Jazz Bass for a
>>>> session a few years back. They were comparatively expensive, but the
>>>> idea that they tended not to degrade quickly over time was highly
>>>> appealing for consistency of tone over multiple tracks in session work.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a moderate-intesity fingerstyle player with over twenty-five years
>>>> of freelancing behind me - neither a Gary Willis ultralight touch or a
>>>> hard-driving slammer; the bass was in good shape with no fret anomalies
>>>> I could feel, and I installed them with care. So imagine my surprise
>>>> when during the second cut of the session they started shedding their
>>>> wrappings onto the fingerboard. Not one but *three* of the strings
>>>> started doing the "snake peeling off its skin" thing between the
>>>> seventh and fifteenth frets. By the end of the first day the coating
>>>> was effectively worn off, - and unfortunately, unevenly enough that I
>>>> had to replace the set. If one string had shed, I might have written it
>>>> off to a bad string, but shedding over multiple strings was too much
>>>> for me. I suppose I might have got a bad set, but I wrote it off as a
>>>> failed experiment that I had little incentive to repeat.
>>>>
>>>> Go figure.
>>>>
>>>> - Kerry
>>
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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings (Testamonial) [message #97870 is a reply to message #97753] |
Wed, 09 April 2008 09:14 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
Registered: July 2006
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I sent this to the Cleartone"testamonial" website yesterday..I will be
surprised if they actually put it up....
I tried my first set of Medium Gauge ,Phosphor Bronze Cleartone Strings last
week. I bought them at Guitar Center,for about $17 (the price of 2 normal
sets) .When I first put them on my ' 59 Martin D-18,they sounded great ! The
only problem I had was the intonation of the Low E string at the bridge..the
core is so large that it doesn't flex on the bridge,and was causing the E
string to fret "sharp".I thought "well I can live with that, if these
strings really last 5 times longer than a normal set, as claimed".. So I
played my first gig with the strings...after about 30 minutes of Medium to
light " playing,the D string broke at the bridge...I had to just put a
Martin D sting on to replace it,since I did not have another Cleartone..The
next day,I was able to repair the ball end and put the Cleartone back on the
guitar..All seemed fine again..The next gig I played was different (
thankfully I had brought my Collings guitar as a spare) First the G string
broke ,after some light playing,..I changed it at the break..Then
finally,after a few minutes ,the A broke too...that was the end of my
"Cleartone Experiment"... So,three out of 4 of the wound strings broke
,within 2 hours of playing ( I never hardly break strings).and the only
survivnig wound string the low E,had intonation problems...The un-wound B
and E seem great.....I guess I could have just happened to have gotten the
"one bum set" that Cleartone made...but I suspect the extra-large,and stiff
inner core as the problem..I would NOT buy another set. Zan McLeod,
Washington DC
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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings Breakage (Post Script) [message #97879 is a reply to message #97870] |
Wed, 09 April 2008 13:14 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
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"Joe" from Cleartone Strings,wrote me back a nice perfunctory letter,stating
that some "substandard product does get through our doors sometimes",and if
I send my address,they will mail me another set ,free of charge...I'll let
you know how those hold up....
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:47fcdfaf@linux...
> I sent this to the Cleartone"testamonial" website yesterday..I will be
> surprised if they actually put it up....
> I tried my first set of Medium Gauge ,Phosphor Bronze Cleartone Strings
last
> week. I bought them at Guitar Center,for about $17 (the price of 2 normal
> sets) .When I first put them on my ' 59 Martin D-18,they sounded great !
The
> only problem I had was the intonation of the Low E string at the
bridge..the
> core is so large that it doesn't flex on the bridge,and was causing the E
> string to fret "sharp".I thought "well I can live with that, if these
> strings really last 5 times longer than a normal set, as claimed".. So I
> played my first gig with the strings...after about 30 minutes of Medium to
> light " playing,the D string broke at the bridge...I had to just put a
> Martin D sting on to replace it,since I did not have another
Cleartone..The
> next day,I was able to repair the ball end and put the Cleartone back on
the
> guitar..All seemed fine again..The next gig I played was different (
> thankfully I had brought my Collings guitar as a spare) First the G string
> broke ,after some light playing,..I changed it at the break..Then
> finally,after a few minutes ,the A broke too...that was the end of my
> "Cleartone Experiment"... So,three out of 4 of the wound strings broke
> ,within 2 hours of playing ( I never hardly break strings).and the only
> survivnig wound string the low E,had intonation problems...The un-wound B
> and E seem great.....I guess I could have just happened to have gotten the
> "one bum set" that Cleartone made...but I suspect the extra-large,and
stiff
> inner core as the problem..I would NOT buy another set. Zan McLeod,
> Washington DC
>
>
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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings Breakage (Post Script) [message #97991 is a reply to message #97879] |
Tue, 15 April 2008 14:50 |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007
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Hey there tone,
Yeah, I can bite that a "string" could be substandard, but not 3-4 in the
same set of six. Figure the statistical odds of this happening. Millions
to one in my estimate. You should be compensated with a years' supply (which
probably would only be about 5 sets) just to get you back in good terms with
the company. Sometimes these guys can underestimate the influence of word
of mouth.
Wayne
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:47fd17ca@linux...
> "Joe" from Cleartone Strings,wrote me back a nice perfunctory
> letter,stating
> that some "substandard product does get through our doors sometimes",and
> if
> I send my address,they will mail me another set ,free of charge...I'll let
> you know how those hold up....
> "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:47fcdfaf@linux...
>> I sent this to the Cleartone"testamonial" website yesterday..I will be
>> surprised if they actually put it up....
>> I tried my first set of Medium Gauge ,Phosphor Bronze Cleartone Strings
> last
>> week. I bought them at Guitar Center,for about $17 (the price of 2 normal
>> sets) .When I first put them on my ' 59 Martin D-18,they sounded great !
> The
>> only problem I had was the intonation of the Low E string at the
> bridge..the
>> core is so large that it doesn't flex on the bridge,and was causing the E
>> string to fret "sharp".I thought "well I can live with that, if these
>> strings really last 5 times longer than a normal set, as claimed".. So
>> I
>> played my first gig with the strings...after about 30 minutes of Medium
>> to
>> light " playing,the D string broke at the bridge...I had to just put a
>> Martin D sting on to replace it,since I did not have another
> Cleartone..The
>> next day,I was able to repair the ball end and put the Cleartone back on
> the
>> guitar..All seemed fine again..The next gig I played was different (
>> thankfully I had brought my Collings guitar as a spare) First the G
>> string
>> broke ,after some light playing,..I changed it at the break..Then
>> finally,after a few minutes ,the A broke too...that was the end of my
>> "Cleartone Experiment"... So,three out of 4 of the wound strings broke
>> ,within 2 hours of playing ( I never hardly break strings).and the only
>> survivnig wound string the low E,had intonation problems...The un-wound B
>> and E seem great.....I guess I could have just happened to have gotten
>> the
>> "one bum set" that Cleartone made...but I suspect the extra-large,and
> stiff
>> inner core as the problem..I would NOT buy another set. Zan McLeod,
>> Washington DC
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Cleartone guitar strings Breakage (Post Script) [message #97999 is a reply to message #97991] |
Wed, 16 April 2008 05:58 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Hmmm. I've never tried the acoustic ones, but the electric ones I'm
using have lasted a month or more and still sound pretty darn good.
Wayne Carson wrote:
> Hey there tone,
>
> Yeah, I can bite that a "string" could be substandard, but not 3-4 in the
> same set of six. Figure the statistical odds of this happening. Millions
> to one in my estimate. You should be compensated with a years' supply (which
> probably would only be about 5 sets) just to get you back in good terms with
> the company. Sometimes these guys can underestimate the influence of word
> of mouth.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:47fd17ca@linux...
>> "Joe" from Cleartone Strings,wrote me back a nice perfunctory
>> letter,stating
>> that some "substandard product does get through our doors sometimes",and
>> if
>> I send my address,they will mail me another set ,free of charge...I'll let
>> you know how those hold up....
>> "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:47fcdfaf@linux...
>>> I sent this to the Cleartone"testamonial" website yesterday..I will be
>>> surprised if they actually put it up....
>>> I tried my first set of Medium Gauge ,Phosphor Bronze Cleartone Strings
>> last
>>> week. I bought them at Guitar Center,for about $17 (the price of 2 normal
>>> sets) .When I first put them on my ' 59 Martin D-18,they sounded great !
>> The
>>> only problem I had was the intonation of the Low E string at the
>> bridge..the
>>> core is so large that it doesn't flex on the bridge,and was causing the E
>>> string to fret "sharp".I thought "well I can live with that, if these
>>> strings really last 5 times longer than a normal set, as claimed".. So
>>> I
>>> played my first gig with the strings...after about 30 minutes of Medium
>>> to
>>> light " playing,the D string broke at the bridge...I had to just put a
>>> Martin D sting on to replace it,since I did not have another
>> Cleartone..The
>>> next day,I was able to repair the ball end and put the Cleartone back on
>> the
>>> guitar..All seemed fine again..The next gig I played was different (
>>> thankfully I had brought my Collings guitar as a spare) First the G
>>> string
>>> broke ,after some light playing,..I changed it at the break..Then
>>> finally,after a few minutes ,the A broke too...that was the end of my
>>> "Cleartone Experiment"... So,three out of 4 of the wound strings broke
>>> ,within 2 hours of playing ( I never hardly break strings).and the only
>>> survivnig wound string the low E,had intonation problems...The un-wound B
>>> and E seem great.....I guess I could have just happened to have gotten
>>> the
>>> "one bum set" that Cleartone made...but I suspect the extra-large,and
>> stiff
>>> inner core as the problem..I would NOT buy another set. Zan McLeod,
>>> Washington DC
>>>
>>>
>>
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