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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57359 is a reply to message #57350] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 08:40   |
Dimitrios
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>Seems like the same idea I was saying, you are just using the first set
as
>the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing something though?
>Could mean the need for another EDS card,.
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>Ok,
>>Here is the other way of doing it .
>>You have only to move the original auxed drumtracks.
>>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
>>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled before.
>>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
>>They now serve only for aux feeding.
>>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on Native slot
>and
>>put a 4 sample latency there (remember the aux procedure needs 236 samples
>,
>>5ms=240-4=236)
>>Now all are sample accurate !
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43131153$1@linux...
>>>
>>> How could we solve the flanging?
>>>
>>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of tracks,
>>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them before
>>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
>>>
>>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression ,only
>one
>>> EDS
>>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this but maybe
>>still
>>> >some never tried...
>>> >
>>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
>>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna c
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57364 is a reply to message #57362] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 09:10 |
Cujjo
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href="mailto:chris@applemanstudio.com" target="_blank">chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:4313339c$1@linux...
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> May also be cool to put some bass guitar in there.
>
>
> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
> >
> >Nice job on getting those numbers!
> >Seems like the same idea I was saying, you are just using the first set
> as
> >the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing something
though?
> >Could mean the need for another EDS card,.
> >
> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >>Ok,
> >>Here is the other way of doing it .
> >>You have only to move the original auxed drumtracks.
> >>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
> >>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled before.
> >>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
> >>They now serve only for aux feeding.
> >>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on Native slot
> >and
> >>put a 4 sample latency there (remember the aux procedure needs 236
samples
> >,
> >>5ms=240-4=236)
> >>Now all are sample accurate !
> >>Regards,
> >>Dimitrios
> >>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:43131153$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>> How could we solve the flanging?
> >>>
> >>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of
tracks,
> >>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them
before
> >>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
> >>>
> >>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression ,only
> >one
> >>> EDS
> >>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this but
maybe
> >>still
> >>> >some never tried...
> >>> >
> >>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
> >>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in prefader
> >>status
> >>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57368 is a reply to message #57365] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 09:48 |
Dimitrios
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el you have that on Auxe's 1 return
> knob
> >>> >with panpot again possibilities.
> >>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the FreakQ
which
> >is
> >>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
> >>> >
> >>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using UAD1
> >>> >
> >>> >Regards,
> >>> >Dimitrios
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>To summarize what me Tom and Deej are talking about.
We want to be able to compress our drums and bass and use that along with
the uncompressed tracks all realtime without UAD1 right ?
1. We choose which drumtracks to compress...kick,snare,OH......
2. We may add the bass guitar too.
3. We copy those tracks on adjustend tracks on same EDS card, so one EDS
card could be dedicated to drums only if you are so lucky...
4. We put their faders all the way down.
5. We nudge the tracks for 1 (paris nudge) to the left and put the FREE
voxengo sampledelay plugin on each and every of those tracks and put the
number 76 ( 4 samples the actual delay for auxing)
6.We put on aux1 the stereo EDS compressor with 0 lookahead ( the above
calculations are for 0 lookahead) .
7. We pan the auxed tracks using the aux1 panpot.
8. We control the compressor's output from AUX1 effect return.
9. If we want to eq also we can use FreakQ stereo eds effect but we have to
put 74 instead of 76 in voxengo sampledelay plugin.(FreakQ produces 2
samples latency)
10.I love Paris
Regards,
Dimitrios"Gary Flanigan" <garyf_94103@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Darwin's theory is showing no signs of becoming less authoritative, except
>in the minds of the rabidly superstious folks who comprise the American
Taliban.
Simply not the case my friend.
Insults will not make the challenge to Darwin go away.
DCgood summary.
If your putting drum tracks on another EDS card to compress them and mix
them with the uncompressed tracks, be aware that there is a small amount
of latency betwen cards. Typically 12 to 14 samples between the first and
second cards and 2 samples per card after that. Systems will vary so you
should check your own.
Rod
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>To summarize what me Tom and Deej are talking about.
>
>We want to be able to compress our drums and bass and use that along with
>the uncompressed tracks all realtime without UAD1 right ?
>
>1. We choose which drumtracks to compress...kick,snare,OH......
>2. We may add the bass guitar too.
>3. We copy those tracks on adjustend tracks on same EDS card, so one EDS
>card could be dedicated to drums only if you are so lucky...
>4. We put their faders all the way down.
>5. We nudge the tracks for 1 (paris nudge) to the left and put the FREE
>voxengo sampledelay plugin on each and every of those tracks and put the
>number 76 ( 4 samples the actual delay for auxing)
>6.We put on aux1 the stereo EDS compressor with 0 lookahead ( the above
>calculations are for 0 lookahead) .
>7. We pan the auxed tracks using the aux1 panpot.
>8. We control the compressor's output from AUX1 effect return.
>9. If we want to eq also we can use FreakQ stereo eds effect but we have
to
>put 74 instead of 76 in voxengo sampledelay plugin.(FreakQ produces 2
>samples latency)
>10.I love Paris
>
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>every eds effect (compressor, gate, etc) has 2 samples of latency, and the
aux's have 2 samples also, so you would be correct with 4 samples, assuming
no look ahead.
Rod
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>One correction, here it goes again...
>I was having already btwo instances of compression open with lookahead so
>the 236 was reffering to those two compressors too, sorry...
>The actual latency is 4 samples.
>Yes only 4 samples when you send via aux to a eds compressor with 0
>lookahead.
>So to compensate you have to nudge for 1ms (80 samples) , thus voxengo
>sample delay should be 76 samples...
>I hope now I got this rig
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57372 is a reply to message #57365] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 10:10 |
Dimitrios
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o move the original auxed drumtracks.
>> >>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
>> >>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled before.
>> >>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
>> >>They now serve only for aux feeding.
>> >>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on Native
slot
>> >and
>> >>put a 4 sample latency there (remember the aux procedure needs 236
>samples
>> >,
>> >>5ms=240-4=236)
>> >>Now all are sample accurate !
>> >>Regards,
>> >>Dimitrios
>> >>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:43131153$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>> How could we solve the flanging?
>> >>>
>> >>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of
>tracks,
>> >>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them
>before
>> >>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
>> >>>
>> >>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression ,only
>> >one
>> >>> EDS
>> >>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this but
>maybe
>> >>still
>> >>> >some never tried...
>> >>> >
>> >>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
>> >>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in prefader
>> >>status
>> >>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place you wanna put it in
>the
>> >>> >stereo field.
>> >>> >3.You push the fader all the way down -90 as to not have flanging
on
>> >your
>> >>> >drumsounds.
>> >>> >4. You control indivindual drumlevels from Aux1 level knob and
>pannong
>> >>from
>> >>> >panpot knob.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >5. For you comressor outpout level you have that on Auxe's 1 return
>> knob
>> >>> >with panpot again possibilities.
>> >>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the FreakQ
>which
>> >is
>> >>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using UAD1
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Regards,
>> >>> >Dimitrios
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>Thanks Rod,
May I make a crazy thought here ?
Why not put four different compressors , one stereo as above and three mono.
Aux2 ,3,4 take the mono compressors.
So as latency shoud be the same you feed Overheads to stereo compressor,
kick to mono aux2 , snare mono aux3 , bass mono aux4.
If you will use freakq for OH's compressor then you should use 74 smaple
latency movement.
For other auxe's compressor no eq so 76 samples there.
Might work even better right ?
You could squash all four compressors with different settings according to
each sound and have the uncompressed along with the compressed...
Am I missing something here ?
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:43134ba2$1@linux...
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> good summary.
> If your putting drum tracks on another EDS card to compress them and mix
> them with the uncompressed tracks, be aware that there is a small amount
> of latency betwen cards. Typically 12 to 14 samples between the first and
> second cards and 2 sampl
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57376 is a reply to message #57372] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 10:59 |
Rod Lincoln
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call upon the
helping the sheep through the fence thing...hmmm...i'd check with amy
first.
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:39:52 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>If I don't have one of these, I might.........uhhhhhhh.......be able to eat
>and pay bills for the next couple of years.
>
>;oP
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:62j5h1tgtjb8kdv0mcftck6kvnq0tiarlt@4ax.com...
>> that cheap huh...the moth is now poking me while it's laughing.
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:13:07 -0700, "W. Mark Wilson"
>> <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >At $2250-US per channel, I won't be buying anytime soon. Still curious
>> >though how the sys sounds. Guess I'll wait to hear Hyatt's new disc.
>> >
>> >Dubya
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:vh13h1t326jdlq4m5b234po7l053af2gbs@4ax.com...
>> >> for some reason the moth that flew out of my now empty pocket seemed
>> >> to be laughing at me...oh...i get it.
>> >>
>> >> nice stuff.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:38:53 -0700, "W. Mark Wilson"
>> >> <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Stumbled onto it while seeing what my old friend, John Hampton (eng @
>> >>>Ardent, Memphis) was up to these days.
>> >>>
>> >>>www.superaudiocenter.com
>> >>>
>> >>>Dubya
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>Regarding lookahead.
How do you compensate ?
Say you have 7 ms lookahead, you nudge 7 times 1ms to the left or one 5ms
and two 1ms ?
Is this the same ?
I read that 1ms is 80 samples but 5 ms is not 5x80=4000 but instead 240 !!
What do you do ?
Dimitrios
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote in message
news:43134d1c$1@linux...
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> every eds effect (compressor, gate, etc) has 2 samples of latency, and the
> aux's have 2 samples also, so you would be correct with 4 samples,
assuming
> no look ahead.
> Rod
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >One correction, here it goes again...
> >I was having already btwo instances of compression open with lookahead so
> >the 236 was reffering to those two compressors too, sorry...
> >The actual latency is 4 samples.
> >Yes only 4 samples when you send via aux to a eds compressor with 0
> >lookahead.
> >So to compensate you have to nudge for 1ms (80 samples) , thus voxengo
> >sample delay should be 76 samples...
> >I hope now I got this right.
> >Sorry again for beeing so quick with my posts without double checking
first.
> >Dimitrios
> >"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:4313339c$1@linux...
> >>
> >> May also be cool to put some bass guitar in there.
> >>
> >>
> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Nice job on getting those numbers!
> >> >Seems like the same idea I was saying, you are just using the first
set
> >> as
> >> >the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing something
> >though?
> >> >Could mean the need for another EDS card,.
> >> >
> >> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >>Ok,
> >> >>Here is the other way of doing it .
> >> >>You have only to move the original auxed drumtracks.
> >> >>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
> >> >>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled
before.
> >> >>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
> >> >>They now serve only for aux feeding.
> >> >>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on Nativ
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57380 is a reply to message #57376] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 11:41 |
Dimitrios
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be cool to put some bass guitar in there.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Nice job on getting those numbers!
>> >> >Seems like the same idea I was saying, you are just using the first
>set
>> >> as
>> >> >the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing something
>> >though?
>> >> >Could mean the need for another EDS card,.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >> >>Ok,
>> >> >>Here is the other way of doing it .
>> >> >>You have only to move the original auxed drumtracks.
>> >> >>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
>> >> >>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled
>before.
>> >> >>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
>> >> >>They now serve only for aux feeding.
>> >> >>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on Native
>> slot
>> >> >and
>> >> >>put a 4 sample latency there (remember the aux procedure needs 236
>> >samples
>> >> >,
>> >> >>5ms=240-4=236)
>> >> >>Now all are sample accurate !
>> >> >>Regards,
>> >> >>Dimitrios
>> >> >>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>> >news:43131153$1@linux...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> How could we solve the flanging?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of
>> >tracks,
>> >> >>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them
>> >before
>> >> >>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >> >>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression
>,only
>> >> >one
>> >> >>> EDS
>> >> >>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this but
>> >maybe
>> >> >>still
>> >> >>> >some never tried...
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
>> >> >>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in
>prefader
>> >> >>status
>> >> >>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place you wanna put it
in
>> >the
>> >> >>> >stereo field.
>> >> >>> >3.You push the fader all the way down -90 as to not have flanging
>> on
>> >> >your
>> >> >>> >drumsounds.
>> >> >>> >4. You control indivindual drumlevels from Aux1 level knob and
>> >pannong
>> >> >>from
>> >> >>> >panpot knob.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >5. For you comressor outpout level you have that on Auxe's 1
>return
>> >> knob
>> >> >>> >with panpot again possibilities.
>> >> >>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the FreakQ
>> >which
>> >> >is
>> >> >>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using UAD1
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Regards,
>> >> >>> >Dimitrios
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>You started with the insults, Don. It is Don, right? I'm sorry if I'm
mistaken....
I vote we refrain from from any further rabid little partisan jabs.
You used a jokey, silly post by one of the best-natured members of this
forum to deride a very large group of humans who do not share your belief
system. That is inappropriate behavior, at best, given the very specific
nature of this forum, and especially given the general good nature of those
who post here.
Jimmy
"DC" <dc@sayitaintso.org> wrote in message news:4313485e$1@linux...
>
> "Gary Flanigan" <garyf_94103@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Darwin's theory is showing no signs of becoming less authoritative,
except
> >in the minds of the rabidly superstious folks who comprise the American
> Taliban.
>
>
> Simply not the case my friend.
>
> Insults will not make the challenge to Darwin go away.
>
> DC
>>
>Insults will not make the challenge to Darwin go away.
>
>DC
I'm not aware of any real scientific
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57383 is a reply to message #57380] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 14:13 |
Cujjo
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:24:16 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
> <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>Not in my Paris box alone, but I'd be willing to bet I have at least that
>>amongst my PC's. Worst part is how do you back up that much info?
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Mike R." <nope@nope> wrote in message news:4313180f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> How about .5 terrabyte? Some in, some out of the box.
>>> I remember when a producer friend of mine got one of the early Macs, had
>>> a whopping megabyte on the HD. We both thought, "man, you'd never fill
>>> that
>>> up." When will the madness stop!!;-)
>>> MR
>>>
>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've just bought these 2 x 250Gig drives. Plus my old 120Gig is still in
>>>>the box, in addition to my old old 27Gig... all up that's... err...
>>> 647Gig!
>>>>
>>>>Surely somebody here has a terrabyte in their Paris box? :o)
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>
>>
>I'm sure dude is a major asset for them down there. Not to mention that a
church will be filled with infinitely larger personal rewards than hanging
with greasy folks (though, not all of them) from labels, including financial
stability. Yeah, this would be a dream gig for a cat like Brian I bet.
AA
"Mark McCurdy" <gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:431363f6@linux...
> No doubt. I'm sure it's a GREAT job. That is the largest church in the US
> and with their budget I'm sure he's sitting pretty. From what I gather he
> is over the Media department. They have full Television studios and
> release CDs all the time of their music. I'm sure he's busy. :)
>
>
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pmo6h15b8s5c7ahe7d1u7uaon6vtr9h5cp@4ax.com...
>> took the smart money way out...and a steady job.
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:05:17 -0400, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>A long time ago I heard there were family health issues but have not
>>>heard a peep. Anyone know how this fine man and family is doing ?
>>>
>>>John
>>
>
>Dimitrious/All,
Once you start moving files around between submixes it introduces a new
timing issue.. sample level latency problems. My rig shows 10 samples submix
one to two and 2 samples for each submix thereafter. This might be the cause
of your phase issue?
AA
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4313216d@linux...
> Yes that would work as long as you could figure out exactly how many
> samples
> is the processing eating up.
> That is with 0 lookahead.
> Then you just nudge 1ms back for lookahead 1 and so on...
> Nice.
> I tried to find the latency but no lack.
> Cannot seem to make sound almost dissapear even if compression is not
> actually working , 1:1 ratio no threshold etc.
> Can you try ?
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> news:43131153$1@linux...
>>
>> How could we solve the flanging?
>>
>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of tracks,
>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them before
>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
>>
>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression ,only one
>> EDS
>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this but maybe
> still
>> >some never tried...
>> >
>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in prefader
> status
>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place you wanna put it in the
>> >stereo field.
>> >3.You push the fader all the way down -90 as to not have flanging on
>> >your
>> >drumsounds.
>> >4. You control indivindual drumlevels from Aux1 level knob and pannong
> from
>> >panpot knob.
>> >
>> >5. For you comressor outpout level you have that on Auxe's 1 return knob
>> >with panpot again possibilities.
>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the FreakQ which
>> >is
>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
>> >
>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using UAD1
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Dimitrios
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Yeh, I'm going through the old data sort at the moment, given I've just bought
a whole new world of space for my main box. I'm searching all my existing
drives... resorting data on to new drives... haven't gotten to the bit
where I delete what I don't need yet.
By the sound of it I don't have nearly as much data as you have on your systems.
It's still a daunting task though. 4.7Gig just isn't big enough.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Heh.. I see what you're saying, but I should've been more specific. I'm
not
>doing much on the client frontier these days, this is mainly my own data.
>Problem is I've collected all this info and it would take stacks and stacks
>and months to sift it all out to DVD+-R. Yikes, not looking forward to that!
>I need to find a good multidrive comparator program that will loo
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Mon, 29 August 2005 15:56 |
Aaron Allen
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> It's still a daunting task though. 4.7Gig just isn't big enough.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Heh.. I see what you're saying, but I should've been more specific. I'm
> not
>>doing much on the client frontier these days, this is mainly my own data.
>
>>Problem is I've collected all this info and it would take stacks and
>>stacks
>
>>and months to sift it all out to DVD+-R. Yikes, not looking forward to
>>that!
>>I need to find a good multidrive comparator program that will look at
>>network drives as well and tell me where exact duplicates lie, because I'm
>
>>just about sure that will be the case for at least 30% of my stuff.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:fnk6h1hj1hvb66jdtiqoire5i7sf0euvi2@4ax.com...
>>> have the talent bring in a drive for their stuff.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:24:16 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
>>> <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not in my Paris box alone, but I'd be willing to bet I have at least
>>>>that
>>>>amongst my PC's. Worst part is how do you back up that much info?
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike R." <nope@nope> wrote in message news:4313180f$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> How about .5 terrabyte? Some in, some out of the box.
>>>>> I remember when a producer friend of mine got one of the early Macs,
> had
>>>>> a whopping megabyte on the HD. We both thought, "man, you'd never fill
>>>>> that
>>>>> up." When will the madness stop!!;-)
>>>>> MR
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've just bought these 2 x 250Gig drives. Plus my old 120Gig is still
> in
>>>>>>the box, in addition to my old old 27Gig... all up that's... err...
>>>>> 647Gig!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Surely somebody here has a terrabyte in their Paris box? :o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Kim.
>>>
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57396 is a reply to message #57389] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 16:56 |
Rod Lincoln
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then is it indeed
>> belief and is a religion, not science.
>>
>> So, if you believe Darwin is right, then you have no problem with
>> looking at evidence right?
>>
>> But if my questioning Darwin is insulting people, do you have a
>> religion. Looks to me like you do.
>>
>>
>> Either way, no one was insulted, at least not by me.
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >You started with the insults, Don. It is Don, right? I'm sorry if I'm
>> >mistaken....
>> >
>> >I vote we refrain from from any further rabid little partisan jabs.
>> >
>> >You used a jokey, silly post by one of the best-natured members of this
>> >forum to deride a very large group of humans who do not share your belief
>> >system. That is inappropriate behavior, at best, given the very specific
>> >nature of this forum, and especially given the general good nature of
>those
>> >who post here.
>> >
>> >Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> >"DC" <dc@sayitaintso.org> wrote in message news:4313485e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "Gary Flanigan" <garyf_94103@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Darwin's theory is showing no signs of becoming less authoritative,
>> >except
>> >> >in the minds of the rabidly superstious folks who comprise the
>American
>> >> Taliban.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Simply not the case my friend.
>> >>
>> >> Insults will not make the challenge to Darwin go away.
>> >>
>> >> DC
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>I yearn for simpler solutions......like the Spagetti Monster. Since no one
can prove for sure that there is or isn't a Spagetti Monster and no one has
anything at all invested in years and years of debating it's existence, or
lack thereof, and there aren't yet schisms within the belief system, it can
be assumed that the Spagetti Monster didn't kill Jesus, the Spagetti Monster
didn't cause the Holacaust and we didn't embark on Crusades to free
Jerusalem in the name of the Spagetti Monster. The Spagetti Monster didn't
encourage the assisination of Hugo Chavez, enslave the Chinese to opium in
the early 20th century or draw capricious borders throughout the middle east
in order to suit it's own imperialistic interests. The Spagetti Monster
didn't invade Tibet and cause to Dali Llama to flee or rampage though
Tienamen Square killing hundreds of protesters. The Spagetti Monster didn't
bomb Pearl Harbor either. The Spagetti Monster didn't slaughter the
buffalo,rape the land and exile the native Americans to dirt hovels in the
American west. We don't know if the Spagetti Monster is gay or not and we
don't care......and neither does the Spagetti Monster.
It's like a new beginning for all of us..........and what's even cooler is
that man wasn't made in the image of the Spagetti Monster
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57405 is a reply to message #57380] |
Mon, 29 August 2005 20:21 |
Rod Lincoln
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I usually use 25 ms lookahead.
>I do know that nudging a track 7x1ms is NOT the same as 5+1+1 in Paris.
>I forgot what the sample diff is. I just have combinations logged that work
>for me and keep them as notes within the sampleslide presets.
>Rod
>
>
>
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>Regarding lookahead.
>>How do you compensate ?
>>Say you have 7 ms lookahead, you nudge 7 times 1ms to the left or one
5ms
>>and two 1ms ?
>>Is this the same ?
>>I read that 1ms is 80 samples but 5 ms is not 5x80=4000 but instead 240
>!!
>>What do you do ?
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote in message
>>news:43134d1c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> every eds effect (compressor, gate, etc) has 2 samples of latency, and
>the
>>> aux's have 2 samples also, so you would be correct with 4 samples,
>>assuming
>>> no look ahead.
>>> Rod
>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>> >One correction, here it goes again...
>>> >I was having already btwo instances of compression open with lookahead
>so
>>> >the 236 was reffering to those two compressors too, sorry...
>>> >The actual latency is 4 samples.
>>> >Yes only 4 samples when you send via aux to a eds compressor with 0
>>> >lookahead.
>>> >So to compensate you have to nudge for 1ms (80 samples) , thus voxengo
>>> >sample delay should be 76 samples...
>>> >I hope now I got this right.
>>> >Sorry again for beeing so quick with my posts without double checking
>>first.
>>> >Dimitrios
>>> >"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:4313339c$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> May also be cool to put some bass guitar in there.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Nice job on getting those numbers!
>>> >> >Seems like the same idea I was saying, you are just using the first
>>set
>>> >> as
>>> >> >the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing something
>>> >though?
>>> >> >Could mean the need for another EDS card,.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>> >> >>Ok,
>>> >> >>Here is the other way of doing it .
>>> >> >>You have only to move the original auxed drumtracks.
>>> >> >>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
>>> >> >>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled
>>before.
>>> >> >>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
>>> >> >>They now serve only for aux feeding.
>>> >> >>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on Native
>>> slot
>>> >> >and
>>> >> >>put a 4 sample latency there (remember the aux procedure needs 236
>>> >samples
>>> >> >,
>>> >> >>5ms=240-4=236)
>>> >> >>Now all are sample accurate !
>>> >> >>Regards,
>>> >> >>Dimitrios
>>> >> >>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:43131153$1@linux...
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> How could we solve the flanging?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group
of
>>> >tracks,
>>> >> >>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them
>>> >before
>>> >> >>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression
>>,only
>>> >> >one
>>> >> >>> EDS
>>> >> >>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this
but
>>> >maybe
>>> >> >>still
>>> >> >>> >some never tried...
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
>>> >> >>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in
>>prefader
>>> >> >>status
>>> >> >>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place you wanna put
it
>in
>>> >the
>>> >> >>> >stereo field.
>>> >> >>> >3.You push the fader all the way down -90 as to not have flanging
>>> on
>>> >> >your
>>> >> >>> >drumsounds.
>>> >> >>> >4. You control indivindual drumlevels from Aux1 level knob and
>>> >pannong
>>> >> >>from
>>> >> >>> >panpot knob.
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >5. For you comressor outpout level you have that on Auxe's 1
>>return
>>> >> knob
>>> >> >>> >with panpot again possibilities.
>>> >> >>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the FreakQ
>>> >which
>>> >> >is
>>> >> >>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using UAD1
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >Regards,
>>> >> >>> >Dimitrios
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>But in all other instances of Computer/Paris stuff I bow to you.
:-)
Rod
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Beat you on that one Aaron. Check down the posts a little.
>;-)
>Rod
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Dimitrious/All,
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| Re: Have you evr thought of that ? -UPDATE- [message #57410 is a reply to message #57405] |
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hiddensounds@hotmail.com" target="_blank">hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4312df04$1@linux...
>
>
> I've just bought these 2 x 250Gig drives. Plus my old 120Gig is still in
> the box, in addition to my old old 27Gig... all up that's... err...
647Gig!
>
> Surely somebody here has a terrabyte in their Paris box? :o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.I've been thinking that maybe we musicians and engineers have been looking
at this business all wrong. We charge for what we do rather than what might
happen to us tomorrow. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How shortsighted we are! For
example, in the oil industry, if your customer goes on vacation during the
summer, the price of a barrel goes up. A hurricane blows through the Gulf
of Mexico, the price goes up. Not because it has to, but just because it
might slow down the production rate by an imperceptible amount. From the AP
News wire on Katrina:
"Oil refiners said damage to their equipment in the Gulf region appeared to
be minimal, and oil prices dropped back from the day's highs above $70 a
barrel" (Yahoo/AP News).
Brilliant! This is the beauty of the law of controlling supply and
demanding demand, albeit, shall we say, a "slightly altered" approach to the
Economics 101 version once boringly named the law of "supply and
demand"[yawn], which was naively reactive. So, based on this more forward
thinking, proactive method of speculative pricing, my company's rate went up
by $5/hr yesterday because I was looking at some sweet mic pres (they were
pretty sweet, not really sweet, or it would have been $10/hr). I thought
about lowering it back down again when I didn't buy them, but nobody who
matters asked why (and nobody else really matters), so I figured, why
bother? Next week I think a client might get in a jam and need an extra few
hours to complete their project - rate goes up tomorrow! Today my rate just
went up because I might need a new car someday - probably a hydrogen fuel
cell car. I'm sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster would approve whole-noodly.
;-)
Dedric............hmmmm........I like this!!! I probably need a new API console and
a new studio building to put it in......and a Bosendorfer for the 4000 sq
ft. live room. My rates just went up to $1000.00 per day.
Take a number and .....hey stop cutting in line!!!!!
;o)
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF395DC8.3EFD%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> I've been thinking that maybe we musicians and engineers have been looking
> at this business all wrong. We charge for what we do rather than what
might
> happen to us tomorrow. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How shortsighted we are! For
> example, in the oil industry, if your customer goes on vacation during the
> summer, the price of a barrel goes up. A hurricane blows through the Gulf
> of Mexico, the price goes up. Not because it has to, but just because it
> might slow down the production rate by an imperceptible amount. From the
AP
> News wire on Katrina:
>
> "Oil refiners said damage to their equipment in the Gulf region appeared
to
> be minimal, and oil prices dropped back from the day's highs above $70 a
> barrel" (Yahoo/AP News).
>
> Brilliant! This is the beauty of the law of controlling supply and
> demanding demand, albeit, shall we say, a "slightly altered" approach to
the
> Economics 101 version once boringly named the law of "supply and
> demand"[yawn], which was naively reactive. So, based on this more forward
> thinking, proactive method of speculative pricing, my company's rate went
up
> by $5/hr yesterday because I was looking at some sweet mic pres (they were
> pretty sweet, not really sweet, or it would have been $10/hr). I thought
> about lowering it back down again when I didn't buy them, but nobody who
> matters asked why (and nobody else really matters), so I figured, why
> bother? Next week I think a client might get in a jam and need an extra
few
> hours to complete their project - rate goes up tomorrow! Today my rate
just
> went up because I might need a new car someday - probably a hydrogen fuel
> cell car. I'm sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster would approve
whole-noodly.
>
> ;-)
>
> Dedric
>Yes, yes, yes, yes, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm late to the party.
I always knew how good it was but just never forked out the cash for it because
I figured "How often do you really have to reload your machine?".
This new box though with all the HDD space in the world got me thinking that
"If I want to have 6 partitions all with different purposes all running XP,
it's going to speed things up a lot if I can copy an image from place to
place...".
And OH MY!!! How FAST is it?
I've got a clean Windows XP install, with all the latest drivers, Service
Packs, Windows updates, Acrobat Reader, WinRAR, Video Codecs and Firefox.
Just my basic beginners install to which I can add the optional applications.
I don't know how big it is. Maybe 3-4 Gig I'd guess.
So I ghosted an image of the whole thing, with high compression. About 5
and a half minutes.
I start ghosting it on to other partitions on the other SATA HDD. I can create
a whole extra boot of Windows, complete with all the updates and basic essentials
loaded... probably 5 hours work, and it takes about 3 minutes. 3 minutes
and the whole thing is on another partition.
If I'd realised just how quick and easy it is, I would have bought it years
ago.
This thing is better than sliced bread. I mean some people make a big deal
about sliced bread, but honestly it doesn't take hours to slice off a peice
of bread. Loading windows, drivers, updates, accessories... now that takes
time.
Anyone who doesn't have Ghost, honestly, go get it NOW! Especially if you
have a DVD burner, because you can image your drives to DVD and load them
back up at will. If your system goes crazy during a tracking session you
can load up a working install in maybe 10 minutes and you're back.
I feel stupid for not getting it sooner. At least I wont be wasting my life
any more.
Cheers,
Kim.i'm gonna go for broke and charge $10,000,000.00 per day to cull out
those who musically suck and those who can't pay and suck musically.
damn, wish i had thought of this years ago, i'm ordering that new car
right now.
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:10:11 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>...........hmmmm........I like this!!! I probably need a new API console and
>a new studio building to put it in......and a Bosendorfer for the 4000 sq
>ft. live room. My rates just went up to $1000.00 per day.
>
>Take a number and .....hey stop cutting in line!!!!!
>
>;o)
>
>"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:BF395DC8.3EFD%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> I've been thinking that maybe we musicians and engineers have been looking
>> at this business all wrong. We charge for what we do rather than what
>might
>> happen to us tomorrow. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How shortsighted we are! For
>> example, in the oil industry, if your customer goes on vacation during the
>> summer, the price of a barrel goes up. A hurricane blows through the Gulf
>> of Mexico, the price goes up. Not because it has to, but just because it
>> might slow down the production rate by an imperceptible amount. From the
>AP
>> News wire on Katrina:
>>
>> "Oil refiners said damage to their equipment in the Gulf region appeared
>to
>> be minimal, and oil prices dropped back from the day's highs above $70 a
>> barrel" (Yahoo/AP News).
>>
>> Brilliant! This is the beauty of the law of controlling supply and
>> demanding demand, albeit, shall we say, a "slightly altered" approach to
>the
>> Economics 101 version once boringly named the law of "supply and
>> demand"[yawn], which was naively reactive. So, based on this more forward
>> thinking, proactive method of speculative pricing, my company's rate went
>up
>> by $5/hr yesterday because I was looking at some sweet mic pres (they were
>> pretty sweet, not really sweet, or it would have been $10/hr). I thought
>> about lowering it back down again when I didn't buy them, but nobody who
>> matters asked why (and nobody else really matters), so I figured, why
>> bother? Next week I think
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Tue, 30 August 2005 16:41 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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ice off a
> peice
> of bread. Loading windows, drivers, updates, accessories... now that
> takes
> time.
>
> Anyone who doesn't have Ghost, honestly, go get it NOW! Especially if you
> have a DVD burner, because you can image your drives to DVD and load them
> back up at will. If your system goes crazy during a tracking session you
> can load up a working install in maybe 10 minutes and you're back.
>
> I feel stupid for not getting it sooner. At least I wont be wasting my
> life
> any more.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots of
detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of songs to
mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears into a
more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space for
me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening my
way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and my
mixes just don't come together.
Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is, I'm
already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just go to
sleep when I get home.
Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the devastation on
the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.Man..........
You have a hot springs across the street?
We had illicit access to an abandoned hot springs-centered resort, up near
Asheville, NC, in the Black Mountains. We'd sneak in and bathe in the
silt-filled old marbel-lined pools, the water hot as hell itself in the
middle of a snow-bound NC winter, then go home and drink wine beside the
dogs by the wood stove.
I don't feel that good very often. There are few things that I el that good:
a week at the beach, maybe; Cuervo Gold and fine Colombian, that sort of
thing, maybe all of the above....
I would be in those hot, mineral-laden waters every damn day.
I can't make music without that feeling. However I get it.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43151778$1@linux...
> Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots
of
> detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
> mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
>
> Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of songs
to
> mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears into
a
> more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space
for
> me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening my
> way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and my
> mixes just don't come together.
>
> Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is, I'm
> already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just go
to
> sleep when I get home.
>
> Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the devastation
on
> the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.
>
>Amen to that! Mark, you got me on the Ghost wagon at the start of my experience
with Paris and I can't thank you enough!
rod
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>4-year Ghost habit right here. Kim, the first time you need to reghost
your
>box, you can multiply your present elation by 12 or so.
>
>Dubya
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43141f22$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Yes, yes, yes, yes, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm late to the party.
>>
>> I always knew how good it was but just never forked out the cash for it
>> because
>> I figured "How often do you really have to reload your machine?".
>>
>> This new box though with all the HDD space in the world got me thinking
>> that
>> "If I want to have 6 partitions all with different purposes all running
>> XP,
>> it's going to speed things up a lot if I can copy an image from place
to
>> place...".
>>
>> And OH MY!!! How FAST is it?
>>
>> I've got a clean Windows XP install, with all the latest drivers, Service
>> Packs, Windows updates,
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