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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97490 is a reply to message #97488] |
Thu, 27 March 2008 16:25   |
Mark McDermott
Messages: 204
Registered: February 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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Ever considered mounting a single coil adapter?
Here's one source: http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/covers_adapters.htm
I bought a brand spankin' new 1973 Strat when I was 12 and proceeded to mutilate
the body for many years trying various combos of humbuckers, etc. I actually
split the back of the body while chiseling (at 12, I didn't realize what
a bad idea it was) and had to glue and fill to get it back together. Strangely,
the only original part left on that guitar today IS the body. I eventually
installed the EMG David Gilmour pickup assembly and it is now one of the
best sounding strats I've ever heard.
Router bad, adapter good.
My $ .02!
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I do worry about the pain of "router regret"...
>
>Problem is I've tried splitting coils and it has never worked worth a
>damn. It gives a weak, insipid sound, IMHO.
>
>Maybe i need a Roland VG 99.
>
>Neil wrote:
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is the best electric guitar I have ever owned.
>>
>> There, you just talked yourself out of it. All the more reason
>> not to mutilate something you feel so strongly about.
>>
>> I would do what Don suggested & get some coil-split
>> humbuckers... still not gonna be exactly a Strat sound, but
>> it'll get you an approximation of it & allow you to not
>> have to experience "router regret" later.
>>
>> Neil
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97494 is a reply to message #97491] |
Thu, 27 March 2008 18:05 |
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I have a PRS for which I came up with a trick circuit for pickups with all
four conductors available - mine are made by Tom Holmes. I have a regular
3 position PU selector and a 4 pole/double throw mini switch. W/ the mini
switch in one position I have a normal 2 humbucking guitar. Flip the switch
and the treble position becomes the outside coils in series, the bass position
becomes the inside coils in parallel (PRS calls this "Parallel Strat") and
the middle position combines those two hybrid pickups. The series outside
sound is my all time favorite - it has the power of a humbucking PU w/ the
bright, round sound of both pickups. If you're interested I'll find my scan
of the schematic and post it. I'd probably suggest having an experienced
guitar tech do the wiring because it can be a pain getting the wires straight
so it works as I described.
Gantt
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>You could wire 'em like a PRS for a useful range of tones that would
>cover your gigs.
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97496 is a reply to message #97488] |
Thu, 27 March 2008 17:26 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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You might be able to get the strat thing by installing a phase wire switch
(again, use a push/pull pot here) and then blend the 2 pickups together,
asssuming they each have a volume knob. If not, you could rewire/tap/switch
in some manor, or if you're really feeling industrious you could even
buy/build some electronic circuits to do what you need, on demand. I'm not
sure I'm being clear enough due to text limitations, let me know if that's
the case.
AA
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47ec0ae2@linux...
>I do worry about the pain of "router regret"...
>
> Problem is I've tried splitting coils and it has never worked worth a
> damn. It gives a weak, insipid sound, IMHO.
>
> Maybe i need a Roland VG 99.
>
> Neil wrote:
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is the best electric guitar I have ever owned.
>>
>> There, you just talked yourself out of it. All the more reason
>> not to mutilate something you feel so strongly about.
>>
>> I would do what Don suggested & get some coil-split
>> humbuckers... still not gonna be exactly a Strat sound, but
>> it'll get you an approximation of it & allow you to not
>> have to experience "router regret" later.
>>
>> Neil
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97499 is a reply to message #97496] |
Thu, 27 March 2008 19:14 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Or, just buy one of these...
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson-Custom-Shop-Alvin-Lee--Bi g-Red--ES-335-Electric-Guitar-517310-i1149282.gc
LOL! Strat p'up built right in, baby! :D
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>You might be able to get the strat thing by installing a phase wire switch
>(again, use a push/pull pot here) and then blend the 2 pickups together,
>asssuming they each have a volume knob. If not, you could rewire/tap/switch
>in some manor, or if you're really feeling industrious you could even
>buy/build some electronic circuits to do what you need, on demand. I'm not
>sure I'm being clear enough due to text limitations, let me know if that's
>the case.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47ec0ae2@linux...
>>I do worry about the pain of "router regret"...
>>
>> Problem is I've tried splitting coils and it has never worked worth a
>> damn. It gives a weak, insipid sound, IMHO.
>>
>> Maybe i need a Roland VG 99.
>>
>> Neil wrote:
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think this is the best electric guitar I have ever owned.
>>>
>>> There, you just talked yourself out of it. All the more reason
>>> not to mutilate something you feel so strongly about.
>>>
>>> I would do what Don suggested & get some coil-split
>>> humbuckers... still not gonna be exactly a Strat sound, but
>>> it'll get you an approximation of it & allow you to not
>>> have to experience "router regret" later.
>>>
>>> Neil
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>
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97537 is a reply to message #97533] |
Fri, 28 March 2008 15:44 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Thad, I couldn't agree more with your points, but in the real world I
just don't want to bring 2 guitars AND i want to comp with a lighter
sound, and then have my big fat neck position tone for soloing. Plus the
335 plays so nice and comfortably nothing else compares. I'm looking for
some kind of compromise.
I was looking at some EMGs that "are both single coil and dual coil
pickups".
http://www.emginc.com/displayproducts.asp?section=Guitar& ;categoryid=6&catalogid=6
I wonder how they work? I would think active electronics would be a good
way to accomplish a dual sound, if there is a way at all. I use EMGs on
my strat and I'm satisfied with them.
TCB wrote:
> It's still going to sound like a split coil humbucker on a carved top solid
> maple/mahogany body with a shorter scale set neck, which is closer to a strat
> but it's still not a strat. I like technology as much as the next guy but
> either you use it like Leo made it or you don't get the sound. You can get
> closer, but if you put a big fat 'bucker on the neck pickup of your Tele
> will it sound like a Les Paul?
>
> It might be good enough for government work but there's a lot more to making
> a strat sound like a strat than the pickup wiring.
>
> TCB
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> I'm very interested. Do you know if the PRS pickups have any unique
>> characteristics that make this system work?
>>
>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>> I have a PRS for which I came up with a trick circuit for pickups with
> all
>>> four conductors available - mine are made by Tom Holmes. I have a regular
>>> 3 position PU selector and a 4 pole/double throw mini switch. W/ the
> mini
>>> switch in one position I have a normal 2 humbucking guitar. Flip the
> switch
>>> and the treble position becomes the outside coils in series, the bass
> position
>>> becomes the inside coils in parallel (PRS calls this "Parallel Strat")
> and
>>> the middle position combines those two hybrid pickups. The series outside
>>> sound is my all time favorite - it has the power of a humbucking PU w/
> the
>>> bright, round sound of both pickups. If you're interested I'll find my
> scan
>>> of the schematic and post it. I'd probably suggest having an experienced
>>> guitar tech do the wiring because it can be a pain getting the wires straight
>>> so it works as I described.
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You could wire 'em like a PRS for a useful range of tones that would
>
>>>> cover your gigs.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97539 is a reply to message #97533] |
Fri, 28 March 2008 17:51 |
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My circuit doesn't use any single coil split. It has a couple of humbucking
combinations of coils that standard 2 PU wiring doesn't get.
Gantt
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>It's still going to sound like a split coil humbucker on a carved top solid
>maple/mahogany body with a shorter scale set neck, which is closer to a
strat
>but it's still not a strat. I like technology as much as the next guy but
>either you use it like Leo made it or you don't get the sound. You can get
>closer, but if you put a big fat 'bucker on the neck pickup of your Tele
>will it sound like a Les Paul?
>
>It might be good enough for government work but there's a lot more to making
>a strat sound like a strat than the pickup wiring.
>
>TCB
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>I'm very interested. Do you know if the PRS pickups have any unique
>>characteristics that make this system work?
>>
>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>> I have a PRS for which I came up with a trick circuit for pickups with
>all
>>> four conductors available - mine are made by Tom Holmes. I have a regular
>>> 3 position PU selector and a 4 pole/double throw mini switch. W/ the
>mini
>>> switch in one position I have a normal 2 humbucking guitar. Flip the
>switch
>>> and the treble position becomes the outside coils in series, the bass
>position
>>> becomes the inside coils in parallel (PRS calls this "Parallel Strat")
>and
>>> the middle position combines those two hybrid pickups. The series outside
>>> sound is my all time favorite - it has the power of a humbucking PU w/
>the
>>> bright, round sound of both pickups. If you're interested I'll find
my
>scan
>>> of the schematic and post it. I'd probably suggest having an experienced
>>> guitar tech do the wiring because it can be a pain getting the wires
straight
>>> so it works as I described.
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You could wire 'em like a PRS for a useful range of tones that would
>
>>>> cover your gigs.
>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97540 is a reply to message #97504] |
Fri, 28 March 2008 18:04 |
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It's too big to attach. Here's a link:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj139/ganttmann/GanttsGui tar1.jpg
I hope this works!
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>Heck yeah Gantt, post your pickup schematic!
>
>Thanks,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>> I have a PRS for which I came up with a trick circuit for pickups with
all
>> four conductors available - mine are made by Tom Holmes. I have a regular
>> 3 position PU selector and a 4 pole/double throw mini switch. W/ the
mini
>> switch in one position I have a normal 2 humbucking guitar. Flip the
switch
>> and the treble position becomes the outside coils in series, the bass
position
>> becomes the inside coils in parallel (PRS calls this "Parallel Strat")
and
>> the middle position combines those two hybrid pickups. The series outside
>> sound is my all time favorite - it has the power of a humbucking PU w/
the
>> bright, round sound of both pickups. If you're interested I'll find my
scan
>> of the schematic and post it. I'd probably suggest having an experienced
>> guitar tech do the wiring because it can be a pain getting the wires straight
>> so it works as I described.
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You could wire 'em like a PRS for a useful range of tones that would
>>> cover your gigs.
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97602 is a reply to message #97537] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 09:16 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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I'm also not a big fan of EMGs, but they do have some options for more strat-like
sounds.
I agree it's annoying to carry two guitars but I'm happy to deal with it
for the reasons I mentioned.
One of the reasons I'm such a luddite re: guitars is that I think Leo Fender
was a stone cold genius. How many other pieces of electric music technology
remain essentially unimproved after 50 years? The only thing about my '62
reissue strat that is different than the original is that I put super jumbo
fretwire on it and bent the trem bar. It has _slightly_ overwound_ pickups.
I remember Lindy Fralin once in an interview talking about overwinding and
he said something like, 'You don't want to do it too much, Leo got it pretty
much right the first time.'
Anywho, good luck, and I'd certainly do the split buckers over cutting a
hole in the top of the 335.
TCB
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Thad, I couldn't agree more with your points, but in the real world I
>just don't want to bring 2 guitars AND i want to comp with a lighter
>sound, and then have my big fat neck position tone for soloing. Plus the
>335 plays so nice and comfortably nothing else compares. I'm looking for
>some kind of compromise.
>
>I was looking at some EMGs that "are both single coil and dual coil
>pickups".
>
> http://www.emginc.com/displayproducts.asp?section=Guitar& ;categoryid=6&catalogid=6
>
>I wonder how they work? I would think active electronics would be a good
>way to accomplish a dual sound, if there is a way at all. I use EMGs on
>my strat and I'm satisfied with them.
>
>TCB wrote:
>> It's still going to sound like a split coil humbucker on a carved top
solid
>> maple/mahogany body with a shorter scale set neck, which is closer to
a strat
>> but it's still not a strat. I like technology as much as the next guy
but
>> either you use it like Leo made it or you don't get the sound. You can
get
>> closer, but if you put a big fat 'bucker on the neck pickup of your Tele
>> will it sound like a Les Paul?
>>
>> It might be good enough for government work but there's a lot more to
making
>> a strat sound like a strat than the pickup wiring.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> I'm very interested. Do you know if the PRS pickups have any unique
>>> characteristics that make this system work?
>>>
>>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>> I have a PRS for which I came up with a trick circuit for pickups with
>> all
>>>> four conductors available - mine are made by Tom Holmes. I have a regular
>>>> 3 position PU selector and a 4 pole/double throw mini switch. W/ the
>> mini
>>>> switch in one position I have a normal 2 humbucking guitar. Flip the
>> switch
>>>> and the treble position becomes the outside coils in series, the bass
>> position
>>>> becomes the inside coils in parallel (PRS calls this "Parallel Strat")
>> and
>>>> the middle position combines those two hybrid pickups. The series outside
>>>> sound is my all time favorite - it has the power of a humbucking PU
w/
>> the
>>>> bright, round sound of both pickups. If you're interested I'll find
my
>> scan
>>>> of the schematic and post it. I'd probably suggest having an experienced
>>>> guitar tech do the wiring because it can be a pain getting the wires
straight
>>>> so it works as I described.
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You could wire 'em like a PRS for a useful range of tones that would
>>
>>>>> cover your gigs.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97640 is a reply to message #97602] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 21:15 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Yeah, Les Paul was no slouch either!
I went and played a PRS today to get a feel for what their system does,
and it actually sounds pretty good. I think they use some pretty hot
pickups (this was one of their original style guitars), so the split
prolly works better than it would on a weaker pup. Anyway someone posted
a link to a store that sells the PRS wiring harness. That's the way I'm
going.
TCB wrote:
> I'm also not a big fan of EMGs, but they do have some options for more strat-like
> sounds.
>
> I agree it's annoying to carry two guitars but I'm happy to deal with it
> for the reasons I mentioned.
>
> One of the reasons I'm such a luddite re: guitars is that I think Leo Fender
> was a stone cold genius. How many other pieces of electric music technology
> remain essentially unimproved after 50 years? The only thing about my '62
> reissue strat that is different than the original is that I put super jumbo
> fretwire on it and bent the trem bar. It has _slightly_ overwound_ pickups.
> I remember Lindy Fralin once in an interview talking about overwinding and
> he said something like, 'You don't want to do it too much, Leo got it pretty
> much right the first time.'
>
> Anywho, good luck, and I'd certainly do the split buckers over cutting a
> hole in the top of the 335.
>
> TCB
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> Thad, I couldn't agree more with your points, but in the real world I
>> just don't want to bring 2 guitars AND i want to comp with a lighter
>> sound, and then have my big fat neck position tone for soloing. Plus the
>
>> 335 plays so nice and comfortably nothing else compares. I'm looking for
>
>> some kind of compromise.
>>
>> I was looking at some EMGs that "are both single coil and dual coil
>> pickups".
>>
>> http://www.emginc.com/displayproducts.asp?section=Guitar& ;categoryid=6&catalogid=6
>>
>> I wonder how they work? I would think active electronics would be a good
>
>> way to accomplish a dual sound, if there is a way at all. I use EMGs on
>
>> my strat and I'm satisfied with them.
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> It's still going to sound like a split coil humbucker on a carved top
> solid
>>> maple/mahogany body with a shorter scale set neck, which is closer to
> a strat
>>> but it's still not a strat. I like technology as much as the next guy
> but
>>> either you use it like Leo made it or you don't get the sound. You can
> get
>>> closer, but if you put a big fat 'bucker on the neck pickup of your Tele
>>> will it sound like a Les Paul?
>>>
>>> It might be good enough for government work but there's a lot more to
> making
>>> a strat sound like a strat than the pickup wiring.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm very interested. Do you know if the PRS pickups have any unique
>>>> characteristics that make this system work?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>>> I have a PRS for which I came up with a trick circuit for pickups with
>>> all
>>>>> four conductors available - mine are made by Tom Holmes. I have a regular
>>>>> 3 position PU selector and a 4 pole/double throw mini switch. W/ the
>>> mini
>>>>> switch in one position I have a normal 2 humbucking guitar. Flip the
>>> switch
>>>>> and the treble position becomes the outside coils in series, the bass
>>> position
>>>>> becomes the inside coils in parallel (PRS calls this "Parallel Strat")
>>> and
>>>>> the middle position combines those two hybrid pickups. The series outside
>>>>> sound is my all time favorite - it has the power of a humbucking PU
> w/
>>> the
>>>>> bright, round sound of both pickups. If you're interested I'll find
> my
>>> scan
>>>>> of the schematic and post it. I'd probably suggest having an experienced
>>>>> guitar tech do the wiring because it can be a pain getting the wires
> straight
>>>>> so it works as I described.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You could wire 'em like a PRS for a useful range of tones that would
>>>>>> cover your gigs.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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| Re: Talk me out of this? [message #97645 is a reply to message #97640] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 23:01 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Bill L wrote:
> Yeah, Les Paul was no slouch either!
>
> I went and played a PRS today to get a feel for what their system does,
> and it actually sounds pretty good. I think they use some pretty hot
> pickups (this was one of their original style guitars), so the split
> prolly works better than it would on a weaker pup. Anyway someone posted
> a link to a store that sells the PRS wiring harness. That's the way I'm
> going.
Glad you found it useful Bill, let us know how it works out on your axe.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB wrote:
>> I'm also not a big fan of EMGs, but they do have some options for more
>> strat-like
>> sounds.
>> I agree it's annoying to carry two guitars but I'm happy to deal with it
>> for the reasons I mentioned.
>> One of the reasons I'm such a luddite re: guitars is that I think Leo
>> Fender
>> was a stone cold genius. How many other pieces of electric music
>> technology
>> remain essentially unimproved after 50 years? The only thing about my '62
>> reissue strat that is different than the original is that I put super
>> jumbo
>> fretwire on it and bent the trem bar. It has _slightly_ overwound_
>> pickups.
>> I remember Lindy Fralin once in an interview talking about overwinding
>> and
>> he said something like, 'You don't want to do it too much, Leo got it
>> pretty
>> much right the first time.'
>>
>> Anywho, good luck, and I'd certainly do the split buckers over cutting a
>> hole in the top of the 335.
>> TCB
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> Thad, I couldn't agree more with your points, but in the real world I
>>> just don't want to bring 2 guitars AND i want to comp with a lighter
>>> sound, and then have my big fat neck position tone for soloing. Plus the
>>
>>> 335 plays so nice and comfortably nothing else compares. I'm looking for
>>
>>> some kind of compromise.
>>>
>>> I was looking at some EMGs that "are both single coil and dual coil
>>> pickups".
>>>
>>> http://www.emginc.com/displayproducts.asp?section=Guitar& ;categoryid=6&catalogid=6
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder how they work? I would think active electronics would be a good
>>
>>> way to accomplish a dual sound, if there is a way at all. I use EMGs on
>>
>>> my strat and I'm satisfied with them.
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> It's still going to sound like a split coil humbucker on a carved top
>> solid
>>>> maple/mahogany body with a shorter scale set neck, which is closer to
>> a strat
>>>> but it's still not a strat. I like technology as much as the next guy
>> but
>>>> either you use it like Leo made it or you don't get the sound. You can
>> get
>>>> closer, but if you put a big fat 'bucker on the neck pickup of your
>>>> Tele
>>>> will it sound like a Les Paul?
>>>>
>>>> It might be good enough for government work but there's a lot more to
>> making
>>>> a strat sound like a strat than the pickup wiring.
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'm very interested. Do you know if the PRS pickups have any unique
>>>>> characteristics that make this system work?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>>>> I have a PRS for which I came up with a trick circuit for pickups
>>>>>> with
>>>> all
>>>>>> four conductors available - mine are made by Tom Holmes. I have a
>>>>>> regular
>>>>>> 3 position PU selector and a 4 pole/double throw mini switch. W/ the
>>>> mini
>>>>>> switch in one position I have a normal 2 humbucking guitar. Flip the
>>>> switch
>>>>>> and the treble position becomes the outside coils in series, the bass
>>>> position
>>>>>> becomes the inside coils in parallel (PRS calls this "Parallel
>>>>>> Strat")
>>>> and
>>>>>> the middle position combines those two hybrid pickups. The series
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>> sound is my all time favorite - it has the power of a humbucking PU
>> w/
>>>> the
>>>>>> bright, round sound of both pickups. If you're interested I'll find
>> my
>>>> scan
>>>>>> of the schematic and post it. I'd probably suggest having an
>>>>>> experienced
>>>>>> guitar tech do the wiring because it can be a pain getting the wires
>> straight
>>>>>> so it works as I described.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could wire 'em like a PRS for a useful range of tones that would
>>>>>>> cover your gigs.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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