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| Re: Native Instrrument Guitar Rig + Rig Kontrol II [message #64044 is a reply to message #64037] |
Wed, 01 February 2006 05:25   |
Jamie K
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Amuse wrote:
> Anyone using this?
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I considered it. I use other NI software and like it.
But it's priced at more than a Digitech GNX4 or Line 6 PODXT Live, both
of which include decent amp modeling, FX modeling, foot control, and
integrated audio interface to computers for less than the cost of the NI
solution.
And with the Digitech or Line 6 you don't have to drag your laptop to a
gig.
Plus, the GNX4 adds a 6 hour (if you get a 2GB CF card) looping, mp3
playing and 8 track recording capability with an integrated mic pre, and
the PodXT Live offers digital connection to a Variax.
However for studio use, recording and reamping the NI product looks like
it would be very useful. Except that I already have Guitar Amp Pro for
that (with Logic). The Digitech and (I think) XT Live also do reamping
via USB.
The GNX4 has been great for gigs.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: Native Instrrument Guitar Rig + Rig Kontrol II [message #64069 is a reply to message #64044] |
Wed, 01 February 2006 12:58 |
Amuse
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Was it Guitar Rig or Guitar Rig II that you considered? The new version has
an integrated audio interface, in a much improved Rig Kontrol. But one of
the main things that attracted me was the new "Loop Station". I already have
a POD but I'm not that into it's sounds when it comes to recording.
I agree, that for live use it's a bit of a drag to rely on a laptop 100%.
How do the GNX4 amp models sound compared to Guitar Rig II?
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e0b761@linux...
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> Amuse wrote:
> > Anyone using this?
> >
>
> I considered it. I use other NI software and like it.
>
> But it's priced at more than a Digitech GNX4 or Line 6 PODXT Live, both
> of which include decent amp modeling, FX modeling, foot control, and
> integrated audio interface to computers for less than the cost of the NI
> solution.
>
> And with the Digitech or Line 6 you don't have to drag your laptop to a
> gig.
>
> Plus, the GNX4 adds a 6 hour (if you get a 2GB CF card) looping, mp3
> playing and 8 track recording capability with an integrated mic pre, and
> the PodXT Live offers digital connection to a Variax.
>
> However for studio use, recording and reamping the NI product looks like
> it would be very useful. Except that I already have Guitar Amp Pro for
> that (with Logic). The Digitech and (I think) XT Live also do reamping
> via USB.
>
> The GNX4 has been great for gigs.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: Native Instrrument Guitar Rig + Rig Kontrol II [message #64085 is a reply to message #64069] |
Wed, 01 February 2006 17:30 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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I considered GR1 and decided against it. GR1 had really limited control
hardware. Then I considered GRII when it came out. GRII looks more usable.
Looping is one of the things on my list. The GNX4 has looping features
plus an 8 track recorder. I don't know if GRII's "Loop Machine" feature
is better or not. The description is pretty sparse on their web site.
The GNX4's looping is simple. Hit the record button and off you go.
Countdown is optional. Hit record again and it loops, or hit play and it
loops but you can record your next part on new tracks (up to 8 tracks,
although any track can be looped over with multiple overdubs so you can
have many more than 8 parts looping).
It has undo and, if you like, a drum machine (plays back any MIDI file
using internal drum samples). It can quantize the loop point to the
nearest 8th note. What the GNX4 does not do is allow building up
different sections (like verse and chorus) and switching between them on
the fly. You loop one section and that's it.
I have the extra pedal for controlling looping, which keeps the main
footswitches free for switching amps and such. Except that it still
requires a bit of dancing on the main footswitches to get to a new song
for clear looping, or on the remote switches to delete the last loop
tracks in order to start over.
Having never played GR, I have not compared the amp modeling between
GRII and the GNX4.
Overall I have been happy with the GNX4. I like that it include both
stero XLR and 1/4 stereo outputs and that it can mix guitar, mic and two
line inputs. I like that it uses robust CF media for recording, looping
and playback, so I don't have to depend on a hard drive at gigs. The
GNX4 includes very playable amp models and the FX are decent. Setup at a
show is quick and uncomplicated (well, it was until I added a guitar
synth to the rig).
I have a wish list for the GNX5, which I've discussed with Digitech...
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Amuse wrote:
> Was it Guitar Rig or Guitar Rig II that you considered? The new version has
> an integrated audio interface, in a much improved Rig Kontrol. But one of
> the main things that attracted me was the new "Loop Station". I already have
> a POD but I'm not that into it's sounds when it comes to recording.
>
> I agree, that for live use it's a bit of a drag to rely on a laptop 100%.
> How do the GNX4 amp models sound compared to Guitar Rig II?
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e0b761@linux...
>> Amuse wrote:
>> > Anyone using this?
>> >
>>
>> I considered it. I use other NI software and like it.
>>
>> But it's priced at more than a Digitech GNX4 or Line 6 PODXT Live, both
>> of which include decent amp modeling, FX modeling, foot control, and
>> integrated audio interface to computers for less than the cost of the NI
>> solution.
>>
>> And with the Digitech or Line 6 you don't have to drag your laptop to a
>> gig.
>>
>> Plus, the GNX4 adds a 6 hour (if you get a 2GB CF card) looping, mp3
>> playing and 8 track recording capability with an integrated mic pre, and
>> the PodXT Live offers digital connection to a Variax.
>>
>> However for studio use, recording and reamping the NI product looks like
>> it would be very useful. Except that I already have Guitar Amp Pro for
>> that (with Logic). The Digitech and (I think) XT Live also do reamping
>> via USB.
>>
>> The GNX4 has been great for gigs.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: Native Instrrument Guitar Rig + Rig Kontrol II [message #64108 is a reply to message #64085] |
Thu, 02 February 2006 13:37 |
Amuse
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Thanks Jamie, much appreciated. On a side note, how do the looping functions
of the GNX4 compare to the JamMan pedal?
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e1611c@linux...
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> I considered GR1 and decided against it. GR1 had really limited control
> hardware. Then I considered GRII when it came out. GRII looks more usable.
>
> Looping is one of the things on my list. The GNX4 has looping features
> plus an 8 track recorder. I don't know if GRII's "Loop Machine" feature
> is better or not. The description is pretty sparse on their web site.
>
> The GNX4's looping is simple. Hit the record button and off you go.
> Countdown is optional. Hit record again and it loops, or hit play and it
> loops but you can record your next part on new tracks (up to 8 tracks,
> although any track can be looped over with multiple overdubs so you can
> have many more than 8 parts looping).
>
> It has undo and, if you like, a drum machine (plays back any MIDI file
> using internal drum samples). It can quantize the loop point to the
> nearest 8th note. What the GNX4 does not do is allow building up
> different sections (like verse and chorus) and switching between them on
> the fly. You loop one section and that's it.
>
> I have the extra pedal for controlling looping, which keeps the main
> footswitches free for switching amps and such. Except that it still
> requires a bit of dancing on the main footswitches to get to a new song
> for clear looping, or on the remote switches to delete the last loop
> tracks in order to start over.
>
> Having never played GR, I have not compared the amp modeling between
> GRII and the GNX4.
>
> Overall I have been happy with the GNX4. I like that it include both
> stero XLR and 1/4 stereo outputs and that it can mix guitar, mic and two
> line inputs. I like that it uses robust CF media for recording, looping
> and playback, so I don't have to depend on a hard drive at gigs. The
> GNX4 includes very playable amp models and the FX are decent. Setup at a
> show is quick and uncomplicated (well, it was until I added a guitar
> synth to the rig).
>
> I have a wish list for the GNX5, which I've discussed with Digitech...
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Amuse wrote:
> > Was it Guitar Rig or Guitar Rig II that you considered? The new version
has
> > an integrated audio interface, in a much improved Rig Kontrol. But one
of
> > the main things that attracted me was the new "Loop Station". I already
have
> > a POD but I'm not that into it's sounds when it comes to recording.
> >
> > I agree, that for live use it's a bit of a drag to rely on a laptop
100%.
> > How do the GNX4 amp models sound compared to Guitar Rig II?
> >
> >
> > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e0b761@linux...
> >> Amuse wrote:
> >> > Anyone using this?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I considered it. I use other NI software and like it.
> >>
> >> But it's priced at more than a Digitech GNX4 or Line 6 PODXT Live, both
> >> of which include decent amp modeling, FX modeling, foot control, and
> >> integrated audio interface to computers for less than the cost of the
NI
> >> solution.
> >>
> >> And with the Digitech or Line 6 you don't have to drag your laptop to a
> >> gig.
> >>
> >> Plus, the GNX4 adds a 6 hour (if you get a 2GB CF card) looping, mp3
> >> playing and 8 track recording capability with an integrated mic pre,
and
> >> the PodXT Live offers digital connection to a Variax.
> >>
> >> However for studio use, recording and reamping the NI product looks
like
> >> it would be very useful. Except that I already have Guitar Amp Pro for
> >> that (with Logic). The Digitech and (I think) XT Live also do reamping
> >> via USB.
> >>
> >> The GNX4 has been great for gigs.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> -Jamie
> >> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >
> >
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| Re: Native Instrrument Guitar Rig + Rig Kontrol II [message #64122 is a reply to message #64108] |
Thu, 02 February 2006 22:35 |
Jamie K
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I haven't used the Digitech JamMan.
Just looking at the specs: With an additional 2GB CF card it has the
same max memory of 6ish hours. With the optional pedal you can switch to
entirely different loops, but I don't know if you can do that on the fly
without stopping the music. If you can, that would be a big plus.
OTOH the GNX4 can loop stereo tracks, the JamMan is mono.
GNX 4 is about $550, JamMan about $300. You get a lot for the extra $150
- amp modeling, FX modeling, stereo XLR output, 8 track recorder,
expression pedal.
But if you already have that stuff covered, if mono is OK, and
especially if the JamMan switches loops on the fly, it could be a useful
box.
The JamMan comes with a 128MB CF card, I guess that'd be OK for the
first week or so. :^) The GNX didn't come with a throw-away dinko card
like that, so I went right to 2GB.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Amuse wrote:
> Thanks Jamie, much appreciated. On a side note, how do the looping functions
> of the GNX4 compare to the JamMan pedal?
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e1611c@linux...
>> I considered GR1 and decided against it. GR1 had really limited control
>> hardware. Then I considered GRII when it came out. GRII looks more usable.
>>
>> Looping is one of the things on my list. The GNX4 has looping features
>> plus an 8 track recorder. I don't know if GRII's "Loop Machine" feature
>> is better or not. The description is pretty sparse on their web site.
>>
>> The GNX4's looping is simple. Hit the record button and off you go.
>> Countdown is optional. Hit record again and it loops, or hit play and it
>> loops but you can record your next part on new tracks (up to 8 tracks,
>> although any track can be looped over with multiple overdubs so you can
>> have many more than 8 parts looping).
>>
>> It has undo and, if you like, a drum machine (plays back any MIDI file
>> using internal drum samples). It can quantize the loop point to the
>> nearest 8th note. What the GNX4 does not do is allow building up
>> different sections (like verse and chorus) and switching between them on
>> the fly. You loop one section and that's it.
>>
>> I have the extra pedal for controlling looping, which keeps the main
>> footswitches free for switching amps and such. Except that it still
>> requires a bit of dancing on the main footswitches to get to a new song
>> for clear looping, or on the remote switches to delete the last loop
>> tracks in order to start over.
>>
>> Having never played GR, I have not compared the amp modeling between
>> GRII and the GNX4.
>>
>> Overall I have been happy with the GNX4. I like that it include both
>> stero XLR and 1/4 stereo outputs and that it can mix guitar, mic and two
>> line inputs. I like that it uses robust CF media for recording, looping
>> and playback, so I don't have to depend on a hard drive at gigs. The
>> GNX4 includes very playable amp models and the FX are decent. Setup at a
>> show is quick and uncomplicated (well, it was until I added a guitar
>> synth to the rig).
>>
>> I have a wish list for the GNX5, which I've discussed with Digitech...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Amuse wrote:
>>> Was it Guitar Rig or Guitar Rig II that you considered? The new version
> has
>>> an integrated audio interface, in a much improved Rig Kontrol. But one
> of
>>> the main things that attracted me was the new "Loop Station". I already
> have
>>> a POD but I'm not that into it's sounds when it comes to recording.
>>>
>>> I agree, that for live use it's a bit of a drag to rely on a laptop
> 100%.
>>> How do the GNX4 amp models sound compared to Guitar Rig II?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e0b761@linux...
>>>> Amuse wrote:
>>>> > Anyone using this?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I considered it. I use other NI software and like it.
>>>>
>>>> But it's priced at more than a Digitech GNX4 or Line 6 PODXT Live, both
>>>> of which include decent amp modeling, FX modeling, foot control, and
>>>> integrated audio interface to computers for less than the cost of the
> NI
>>>> solution.
>>>>
>>>> And with the Digitech or Line 6 you don't have to drag your laptop to a
>>>> gig.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, the GNX4 adds a 6 hour (if you get a 2GB CF card) looping, mp3
>>>> playing and 8 track recording capability with an integrated mic pre,
> and
>>>> the PodXT Live offers digital connection to a Variax.
>>>>
>>>> However for studio use, recording and reamping the NI product looks
> like
>>>> it would be very useful. Except that I already have Guitar Amp Pro for
>>>> that (with Logic). The Digitech and (I think) XT Live also do reamping
>>>> via USB.
>>>>
>>>> The GNX4 has been great for gigs.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>
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| Re: Native Instrrument Guitar Rig + Rig Kontrol II [message #64427 is a reply to message #64122] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 04:45 |
Amuse
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I think I'm going with the new Boss RC-50 Loop Station:
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-50/index.html
(Gotta wait till it's released here in Oz)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e2fa30@linux...
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> I haven't used the Digitech JamMan.
>
> Just looking at the specs: With an additional 2GB CF card it has the
> same max memory of 6ish hours. With the optional pedal you can switch to
> entirely different loops, but I don't know if you can do that on the fly
> without stopping the music. If you can, that would be a big plus.
>
> OTOH the GNX4 can loop stereo tracks, the JamMan is mono.
>
> GNX 4 is about $550, JamMan about $300. You get a lot for the extra $150
> - amp modeling, FX modeling, stereo XLR output, 8 track recorder,
> expression pedal.
>
> But if you already have that stuff covered, if mono is OK, and
> especially if the JamMan switches loops on the fly, it could be a useful
> box.
>
> The JamMan comes with a 128MB CF card, I guess that'd be OK for the
> first week or so. :^) The GNX didn't come with a throw-away dinko card
> like that, so I went right to 2GB.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Amuse wrote:
> > Thanks Jamie, much appreciated. On a side note, how do the looping
functions
> > of the GNX4 compare to the JamMan pedal?
> >
> > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e1611c@linux...
> >> I considered GR1 and decided against it. GR1 had really limited control
> >> hardware. Then I considered GRII when it came out. GRII looks more
usable.
> >>
> >> Looping is one of the things on my list. The GNX4 has looping features
> >> plus an 8 track recorder. I don't know if GRII's "Loop Machine" feature
> >> is better or not. The description is pretty sparse on their web site.
> >>
> >> The GNX4's looping is simple. Hit the record button and off you go.
> >> Countdown is optional. Hit record again and it loops, or hit play and
it
> >> loops but you can record your next part on new tracks (up to 8 tracks,
> >> although any track can be looped over with multiple overdubs so you can
> >> have many more than 8 parts looping).
> >>
> >> It has undo and, if you like, a drum machine (plays back any MIDI file
> >> using internal drum samples). It can quantize the loop point to the
> >> nearest 8th note. What the GNX4 does not do is allow building up
> >> different sections (like verse and chorus) and switching between them
on
> >> the fly. You loop one section and that's it.
> >>
> >> I have the extra pedal for controlling looping, which keeps the main
> >> footswitches free for switching amps and such. Except that it still
> >> requires a bit of dancing on the main footswitches to get to a new song
> >> for clear looping, or on the remote switches to delete the last loop
> >> tracks in order to start over.
> >>
> >> Having never played GR, I have not compared the amp modeling between
> >> GRII and the GNX4.
> >>
> >> Overall I have been happy with the GNX4. I like that it include both
> >> stero XLR and 1/4 stereo outputs and that it can mix guitar, mic and
two
> >> line inputs. I like that it uses robust CF media for recording, looping
> >> and playback, so I don't have to depend on a hard drive at gigs. The
> >> GNX4 includes very playable amp models and the FX are decent. Setup at
a
> >> show is quick and uncomplicated (well, it was until I added a guitar
> >> synth to the rig).
> >>
> >> I have a wish list for the GNX5, which I've discussed with Digitech...
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> -Jamie
> >> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Amuse wrote:
> >>> Was it Guitar Rig or Guitar Rig II that you considered? The new
version
> > has
> >>> an integrated audio interface, in a much improved Rig Kontrol. But one
> > of
> >>> the main things that attracted me was the new "Loop Station". I
already
> > have
> >>> a POD but I'm not that into it's sounds when it comes to recording.
> >>>
> >>> I agree, that for live use it's a bit of a drag to rely on a laptop
> > 100%.
> >>> How do the GNX4 amp models sound compared to Guitar Rig II?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
news:43e0b761@linux...
> >>>> Amuse wrote:
> >>>> > Anyone using this?
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> I considered it. I use other NI software and like it.
> >>>>
> >>>> But it's priced at more than a Digitech GNX4 or Line 6 PODXT Live,
both
> >>>> of which include decent amp modeling, FX modeling, foot control, and
> >>>> integrated audio interface to computers for less than the cost of the
> > NI
> >>>> solution.
> >>>>
> >>>> And with the Digitech or Line 6 you don't have to drag your laptop to
a
> >>>> gig.
> >>>>
> >>>> Plus, the GNX4 adds a 6 hour (if you get a 2GB CF card) looping, mp3
> >>>> playing and 8 track recording capability with an integrated mic pre,
> > and
> >>>> the PodXT Live offers digital connection to a Variax.
> >>>>
> >>>> However for studio use, recording and reamping the NI product looks
> > like
> >>>> it would be very useful. Except that I already have Guitar Amp Pro
for
> >>>> that (with Logic). The Digitech and (I think) XT Live also do
reamping
> >>>> via USB.
> >>>>
> >>>> The GNX4 has been great for gigs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> -Jamie
> >>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>
> >
> >
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| Re: Native Instrrument Guitar Rig + Rig Kontrol II [message #64434 is a reply to message #64427] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 09:03 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Looks cool. No downloadable manual yet. I wonder if the three phrase
channels would let you live-switch between song sections?
Let us know how you like it.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Amuse wrote:
> I think I'm going with the new Boss RC-50 Loop Station:
> http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-50/index.html
>
> (Gotta wait till it's released here in Oz)
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e2fa30@linux...
>> I haven't used the Digitech JamMan.
>>
>> Just looking at the specs: With an additional 2GB CF card it has the
>> same max memory of 6ish hours. With the optional pedal you can switch to
>> entirely different loops, but I don't know if you can do that on the fly
>> without stopping the music. If you can, that would be a big plus.
>>
>> OTOH the GNX4 can loop stereo tracks, the JamMan is mono.
>>
>> GNX 4 is about $550, JamMan about $300. You get a lot for the extra $150
>> - amp modeling, FX modeling, stereo XLR output, 8 track recorder,
>> expression pedal.
>>
>> But if you already have that stuff covered, if mono is OK, and
>> especially if the JamMan switches loops on the fly, it could be a useful
>> box.
>>
>> The JamMan comes with a 128MB CF card, I guess that'd be OK for the
>> first week or so. :^) The GNX didn't come with a throw-away dinko card
>> like that, so I went right to 2GB.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Amuse wrote:
>>> Thanks Jamie, much appreciated. On a side note, how do the looping
> functions
>>> of the GNX4 compare to the JamMan pedal?
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e1611c@linux...
>>>> I considered GR1 and decided against it. GR1 had really limited control
>>>> hardware. Then I considered GRII when it came out. GRII looks more
> usable.
>>>> Looping is one of the things on my list. The GNX4 has looping features
>>>> plus an 8 track recorder. I don't know if GRII's "Loop Machine" feature
>>>> is better or not. The description is pretty sparse on their web site.
>>>>
>>>> The GNX4's looping is simple. Hit the record button and off you go.
>>>> Countdown is optional. Hit record again and it loops, or hit play and
> it
>>>> loops but you can record your next part on new tracks (up to 8 tracks,
>>>> although any track can be looped over with multiple overdubs so you can
>>>> have many more than 8 parts looping).
>>>>
>>>> It has undo and, if you like, a drum machine (plays back any MIDI file
>>>> using internal drum samples). It can quantize the loop point to the
>>>> nearest 8th note. What the GNX4 does not do is allow building up
>>>> different sections (like verse and chorus) and switching between them
> on
>>>> the fly. You loop one section and that's it.
>>>>
>>>> I have the extra pedal for controlling looping, which keeps the main
>>>> footswitches free for switching amps and such. Except that it still
>>>> requires a bit of dancing on the main footswitches to get to a new song
>>>> for clear looping, or on the remote switches to delete the last loop
>>>> tracks in order to start over.
>>>>
>>>> Having never played GR, I have not compared the amp modeling between
>>>> GRII and the GNX4.
>>>>
>>>> Overall I have been happy with the GNX4. I like that it include both
>>>> stero XLR and 1/4 stereo outputs and that it can mix guitar, mic and
> two
>>>> line inputs. I like that it uses robust CF media for recording, looping
>>>> and playback, so I don't have to depend on a hard drive at gigs. The
>>>> GNX4 includes very playable amp models and the FX are decent. Setup at
> a
>>>> show is quick and uncomplicated (well, it was until I added a guitar
>>>> synth to the rig).
>>>>
>>>> I have a wish list for the GNX5, which I've discussed with Digitech...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amuse wrote:
>>>>> Was it Guitar Rig or Guitar Rig II that you considered? The new
> version
>>> has
>>>>> an integrated audio interface, in a much improved Rig Kontrol. But one
>>> of
>>>>> the main things that attracted me was the new "Loop Station". I
> already
>>> have
>>>>> a POD but I'm not that into it's sounds when it comes to recording.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, that for live use it's a bit of a drag to rely on a laptop
>>> 100%.
>>>>> How do the GNX4 amp models sound compared to Guitar Rig II?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
> news:43e0b761@linux...
>>>>>> Amuse wrote:
>>>>>> > Anyone using this?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I considered it. I use other NI software and like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it's priced at more than a Digitech GNX4 or Line 6 PODXT Live,
> both
>>>>>> of which include decent amp modeling, FX modeling, foot control, and
>>>>>> integrated audio interface to computers for less than the cost of the
>>> NI
>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And with the Digitech or Line 6 you don't have to drag your laptop to
> a
>>>>>> gig.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, the GNX4 adds a 6 hour (if you get a 2GB CF card) looping, mp3
>>>>>> playing and 8 track recording capability with an integrated mic pre,
>>> and
>>>>>> the PodXT Live offers digital connection to a Variax.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However for studio use, recording and reamping the NI product looks
>>> like
>>>>>> it would be very useful. Except that I already have Guitar Amp Pro
> for
>>>>>> that (with Logic). The Digitech and (I think) XT Live also do
> reamping
>>>>>> via USB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The GNX4 has been great for gigs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>
>
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| Re: Native Instrrument Guitar Rig + Rig Kontrol II [message #64474 is a reply to message #64434] |
Sat, 11 February 2006 13:04 |
Amuse
Messages: 90
Registered: February 2006
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I'll post my experience once I get a hold of it, could be a while though. My
understanding is that the "3 phrases" are precisely aimed at the purpose of
switching song sections...
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43ecc859@linux...
>
> Looks cool. No downloadable manual yet. I wonder if the three phrase
> channels would let you live-switch between song sections?
>
> Let us know how you like it.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Amuse wrote:
> > I think I'm going with the new Boss RC-50 Loop Station:
> > http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-50/index.html
> >
> > (Gotta wait till it's released here in Oz)
> >
> > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43e2fa30@linux...
> >> I haven't used the Digitech JamMan.
> >>
> >> Just looking at the specs: With an additional 2GB CF card it has the
> >> same max memory of 6ish hours. With the optional pedal you can switch
to
> >> entirely different loops, but I don't know if you can do that on the
fly
> >> without stopping the music. If you can, that would be a big plus.
> >>
> >> OTOH the GNX4 can loop stereo tracks, the JamMan is mono.
> >>
> >> GNX 4 is about $550, JamMan about $300. You get a lot for the extra
$150
> >> - amp modeling, FX modeling, stereo XLR output, 8 track recorder,
> >> expression pedal.
> >>
> >> But if you already have that stuff covered, if mono is OK, and
> >> especially if the JamMan switches loops on the fly, it could be a
useful
> >> box.
> >>
> >> The JamMan comes with a 128MB CF card, I guess that'd be OK for the
> >> first week or so. :^) The GNX didn't come with a throw-away dinko card
> >> like that, so I went right to 2GB.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> -Jamie
> >> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Amuse wrote:
> >>> Thanks Jamie, much appreciated. On a side note, how do the looping
> > functions
> >>> of the GNX4 compare to the JamMan pedal?
> >>>
> >>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
news:43e1611c@linux...
> >>>> I considered GR1 and decided against it. GR1 had really limited
control
> >>>> hardware. Then I considered GRII when it came out. GRII looks more
> > usable.
> >>>> Looping is one of the things on my list. The GNX4 has looping
features
> >>>> plus an 8 track recorder. I don't know if GRII's "Loop Machine"
feature
> >>>> is better or not. The description is pretty sparse on their web site.
> >>>>
> >>>> The GNX4's looping is simple. Hit the record button and off you go.
> >>>> Countdown is optional. Hit record again and it loops, or hit play and
> > it
> >>>> loops but you can record your next part on new tracks (up to 8
tracks,
> >>>> although any track can be looped over with multiple overdubs so you
can
> >>>> have many more than 8 parts looping).
> >>>>
> >>>> It has undo and, if you like, a drum machine (plays back any MIDI
file
> >>>> using internal drum samples). It can quantize the loop point to the
> >>>> nearest 8th note. What the GNX4 does not do is allow building up
> >>>> different sections (like verse and chorus) and switching between them
> > on
> >>>> the fly. You loop one section and that's it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have the extra pedal for controlling looping, which keeps the main
> >>>> footswitches free for switching amps and such. Except that it still
> >>>> requires a bit of dancing on the main footswitches to get to a new
song
> >>>> for clear looping, or on the remote switches to delete the last loop
> >>>> tracks in order to start over.
> >>>>
> >>>> Having never played GR, I have not compared the amp modeling between
> >>>> GRII and the GNX4.
> >>>>
> >>>> Overall I have been happy with the GNX4. I like that it include both
> >>>> stero XLR and 1/4 stereo outputs and that it can mix guitar, mic and
> > two
> >>>> line inputs. I like that it uses robust CF media for recording,
looping
> >>>> and playback, so I don't have to depend on a hard drive at gigs. The
> >>>> GNX4 includes very playable amp models and the FX are decent. Setup
at
> > a
> >>>> show is quick and uncomplicated (well, it was until I added a guitar
> >>>> synth to the rig).
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a wish list for the GNX5, which I've discussed with
Digitech...
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> -Jamie
> >>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amuse wrote:
> >>>>> Was it Guitar Rig or Guitar Rig II that you considered? The new
> > version
> >>> has
> >>>>> an integrated audio interface, in a much improved Rig Kontrol. But
one
> >>> of
> >>>>> the main things that attracted me was the new "Loop Station". I
> > already
> >>> have
> >>>>> a POD but I'm not that into it's sounds when it comes to recording.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree, that for live use it's a bit of a drag to rely on a laptop
> >>> 100%.
> >>>>> How do the GNX4 amp models sound compared to Guitar Rig II?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
> > news:43e0b761@linux...
> >>>>>> Amuse wrote:
> >>>>>> > Anyone using this?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I considered it. I use other NI software and like it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But it's priced at more than a Digitech GNX4 or Line 6 PODXT Live,
> > both
> >>>>>> of which include decent amp modeling, FX modeling, foot control,
and
> >>>>>> integrated audio interface to computers for less than the cost of
the
> >>> NI
> >>>>>> solution.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And with the Digitech or Line 6 you don't have to drag your laptop
to
> > a
> >>>>>> gig.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Plus, the GNX4 adds a 6 hour (if you get a 2GB CF card) looping,
mp3
> >>>>>> playing and 8 track recording capability with an integrated mic
pre,
> >>> and
> >>>>>> the PodXT Live offers digital connection to a Variax.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However for studio use, recording and reamping the NI product looks
> >>> like
> >>>>>> it would be very useful. Except that I already have Guitar Amp Pro
> > for
> >>>>>> that (with Logic). The Digitech and (I think) XT Live also do
> > reamping
> >>>>>> via USB.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The GNX4 has been great for gigs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> -Jamie
> >>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>
> >
> >
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