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RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61367] Thu, 15 December 2005 15:30 Go to next message
Sanbar is currently offline  Sanbar   UNITED STATES
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>
>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote:
>>I certainly would not eschew the UAD1 1176 or LA2A. I made careful
>>comparisons between the UAD1 1176LN and my own UREI 1176LN, and could find
>
>>nothing very different about the sounds of the two. I could not pick a

>>preference. The other great thing about plugs is you are not stuck with
>t
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61368 is a reply to message #61367] Thu, 15 December 2005 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
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he
>>results. And they are far more cost effective. In fact I ended up seeling
>my
>>hardware 1176 as I was never using it.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>>news:43a1ff06$1@linux...
>>> Hardware is almost always better than software... your idea is definitely
>
>>> a good one. The plugs are still useful for "mild treatment" though.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Sanbar wrote:
>>>> I'm thin
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61370 is a reply to message #61368] Thu, 15 December 2005 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Lorentzen is currently offline  Bill Lorentzen   UNITED STATES
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ng
with
>
>>>> a
>>>> couple of good compressors for vocals and bass a crazy idea. The goal
>is
>>>> to
>>>> get the signal close enough on the way in that any touch up can be done
>
>>>> with
>>>> Paris software thus eliminating the latency situations.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing that most would find this ludicrous, but if anyone is
>>>> succeeding with such an idea I would be curious.
>>>>
>>Thanks for the link...that is so wrong and so right...

Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com


John Macy wrote:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4462791062611472906ROFL! Thanks Steve.

Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com


steve the artguy wrote:
> http://www.panexa.com/
>
> pretend it's real.
>
> -steveas long as you guys are entertained, I'll keep posting odd stuff...

http://www.sciscoop.com/story/2005/11/21/64422/286

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Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61372 is a reply to message #61370] Thu, 15 December 2005 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cujo is currently offline  cujo
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so when
used
>more subtly.
>
>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Bill, Would you say there was much difference between the 1176LE and SE
>on
>>the UAD-1? I know the lit says it's mostly about the "all In" mode.
>>Onther guys says here that it is more than that. I demoed the LE too long
>>ago to recall. What do you like em on?
>>
>>On this thread, I have been contemplating looking for a real plate and
an
>>old Spring verb.
>>
>>
>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote:
>>>I certainly would not eschew the UAD1 1176 or LA2A. I made careful
>>>comparisons between the UAD1 1176LN and my own UREI 1176LN, and could
find
>>
>>>nothing very different about the sounds of the two. I could not pick a
>
>>>preference. The other great thing about plugs is you are not stuck with
>>the
>>>results. And they are far more cost effective. In fact I ended up seeling
>>my
>>>hardware 1176 as I was never using it.
>>>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43a1ff06$1@linux...
>>>> Hardware is almost always better than software... your idea is definitely
>>
>>>> a good one. The plugs are still useful for "mild treatment" though.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> Sanbar wrote:
>>>>> I'm thinking about trying to get rid of as many software effects as
>>>>> possible. Is the idea of buying 4-5 RNC Compressors for drums along
>with
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61377 is a reply to message #61372] Thu, 15 December 2005 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Phil Aiken is currently offline  Phil Aiken
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tch converted on a mac..
>
> Cheers,
>
> TC
>
>
> Chris Latham wrote:
> > That seems like that would be the thing to do. I asked him about that,
and
> > neither he nor his buddy had no idea how to make that happen. I'm not a
mac
> > guy, so I couldn't tell him how to do it. I have calls in to a couple
> > other guys that might can shed some light on it. I'll hold off thru the
> > weekend to see if somebody who can make the conversion gets back to me.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > CLOn 14-Dec-2005, "Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> he had generated SDII
> files, which until that moment he had no idea what he was making when he
> bounced to disk...

Have you tried opening them up as raw files in Wavelab? If you know your
sampling rate and bit depth, you can put that in and tell it that it's in
Motorola format. Wavelab should be able to open it up, and then you can
save it as a WAV file and get to work.

davidstay tuned.....bitching and whining to be announced.Have you tried to clean the DVD? Sometimes I get CD's or DVD's that I have
problems to read/copy from, so I buied a Disc Restore system some years ago,
to take care of that. Have saved over 90% of problems with discs with it.

Erling



"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> skrev i melding
news:43a1ce13$1@linux...
>i have an archived song on DVD. I need to get 1 file off of the DVD (its
> the final mix).
>
> i keep getting an error that says "Cannot copy No Such Luck Indie Final:
> The parameter is incorrect."
>
> any suggestions?? am i totally screwed?? i wonder if another dvd drive
> would read the file??
>
> and yea... that's the title of the song... can you believe that??
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>finally a drug with promise.

On 16 Dec 2005 08:01:03 +1000, "steve the artguy"
<artguy@sizzlingizzards.net> wrote:

>
>http://www.panexa.com/
>
>pretend it's real.
>
>-stevepics too???

Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61381 is a reply to message #61377] Thu, 15 December 2005 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cujo is currently offline  cujo
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urprise.
>
>I'd like to play a beautiful song for you now - but unfortunately I don't
>know any.
>
>It's great to see so many people here tonight. Does your parole officer know
>you're here?
>
>Don't forget to tip your bartender and waitress(es), and, hey, I like tips
>too.
>
>Just remember - If you're driving home tonight, make sure you have a car.
>
>Q. Do you play any Elton John? A. Sorry, Elton and I have an understanding,
>I don't play any of his stuff, and in return he doesn't play any of mineWhat about the Master/Slave/CableSelect switch plug on the back of the new
one, is it on the same place as the old one?

Erling

"Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> skrev i melding
news:43a243bc@linux...
> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm running into some trouble with this installation and
> any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I'm replacing my Yamaha CDR-W with a Memorex DVD recorder.
> I swapped the two units following the instructions that came with the DVD
> unit,
> then fired up the PC. I was a little surprised that no driver installation
> was happening
> but I loaded a DVD and tried it anyway.
>
> The PC crashed to the blue screen mentioned in the DVD manual.
> OE..... bla bla VXD---
> If I go to "my computer" no drives show up in the explorer page.
>
> So I put the original CDR-W back in the PC - Same trouble now even with
> the
> original drive.
>
> Called tech support, swapped in all new ribbon cables, checked BIOS,
> jumpers - no go...
> Tried 3 hard drives at once, no problem there at all. PARIS 3.0 w/ 3 eds
> works fine.
>
> Any tips or solutions would be very helpful.
>
> Here is my system profile.
>
> TIA,
> Lance
>
> Athlon 2 gig Asus
> PC - Win 98 SE
> 450 watt Power supply
> 1 20 gig dr
> 1 80 gig dr
> 3.5 floppy
> 3 eds cards
>
>
>....hmmm....stay tuned everyone, to pray for Deej. I think it's the Asus A8V
Deluxe board he shall try out....
.....So, all together now, after me.....
....."Don't let the AMI bios do any harm to Deej"....

erlilo

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
news:43a2714f@linux...
> stay tuned.....bitching and whining to be announced.
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>kinda splains your fallout with rock...now go get some HELP!!!!!!!

Actually this was www.learnjazzpiano
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61400 is a reply to message #61372] Fri, 16 December 2005 06:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Lorentzen is currently offline  Bill Lorentzen   UNITED STATES
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end of a little birdy passed this to us. I'm told this
> is how it was done at Ensoniq.
>
> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/ParisCal.pdf
>
> I've tested that link from here and it works for me, but hey, I'm inside
> the network, so if it's a no go let me know...
>
> ...I'm a poet and I don't know it...
>
> Great to have people passing us this kind of info. :o) There are some
> really
> cool friends of Paris out there.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.Thanks for the feedback guys.
I tried putting the original drive back in but the problem is still there.
Both CD and DVD drives cause the error now.

Everything else works. I think I could run 4 hard drives with no problem.






"Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:43a243bc@linux...
> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm running into some trouble with this installation and
> any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I'm replacing my Yamaha CDR-W with a Memorex DVD recorder.
> I swapped the two units following the instructions that came with the DVD
> unit,
> then fired up the PC. I was a little surprised that no driver installation
> was happening
> but I loaded a DVD and tried it anyway.
>
> The PC crashed to the blue screen mentioned in the DVD manual.
> OE..... bla bla VXD---
> If I go to "my computer" no drives show up in the explorer page.
>
> So I put the original CDR-W back in the PC - Same trouble now even with
the
> original drive.
>
> Called tech support, swapped in all new ribbon cables, checked BIOS,
> jumpers - no go...
> Tried 3 hard drives at once, no problem there at all. PARIS 3.0 w/ 3 eds
> works fine.
>
> Any tips or solutions would be very helpful.
>
> Here is my system profile.
>
> TIA,
> Lance
>
> Athlon 2 gig Asus
> PC - Win 98 SE
> 450 watt Power supply
> 1 20 gig dr
> 1 80 gig dr
> 3.5 floppy
> 3 eds cards
>
>
>A guy on Alt.Windows 98 just posted this:

Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL CD/DVD drivers found
reboot to Normal Mode - WIndows will reinstall required drivers
You will
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61420 is a reply to message #61367] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gary Flanigan is currently offline  Gary Flanigan
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Registered: June 2006
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boot the machine so I can
> flash the bios. However, I believe I have figured out a way to outsmart
> it.
>
> stay tuned.
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43a29734$1@linux...
>> ...hmmm....stay tuned everyone, to pray for Deej. I think it's the Asus
> A8V
>> Deluxe board he shall try out....
>> ....So, all together now, after me.....
>> ...."Don't let the AMI bios do any harm to Deej"....
>>
>> erlilo
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
>> news:43a2714f@linux...
>> > stay tuned.....bitching and whining to be announced.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Hi Kim W.

I'm using the 9NDA3+ board with a 3200+ single processor. Tried my Asus A8V
Deluxe with dual Core 3800+ with WinXP and Paris. No luck at all. At the
beginning, I could start Paris but had problems with crashes at on
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61422 is a reply to message #61420] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dave Parkin is currently offline  dave Parkin   
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Junior Member
>>> Hi, all.
>>> I too, will be building another comp soon. But only for Paris.
>>> Thus far I was set on the Gigabyte Ultra 939, but I have read
>>> various posts about others having success with the Epox 9NDA3+,
>>> and Asus A8v.
>>> I take it that Dual core is a no go with Paris. (?).
>>> Thanks for any clarity you guys could shed.
>>> Kim
>>>
>>
>>
>The RNC is a great little box for the bucks. If you're talking about tracking

thru compressors, I'd say this: I frequently (but not always) track vocals,
bass, guitars and horns thru compressors, usually dbx 160X for vocs, UREI
LA-4's for guitars and bass (although the 160X is nice for them too) and horns,

then RNC (I have 3 of 'em). I never track drums thru compressors! Nor do I
ever gate drums. I would always rather have the un-compressed drum tracks
first, then compress as needed after. In fact, I frequently don't compress
drums, even in the mix...

Just my .02 worth.

Gantt

Sanbar wrote:

> I'm thinking about trying to get rid of as many software effects as
> possible. Is the idea of buying 4-5 RNC Compressors for drums along with a
> couple of good compressors for vocals and bass a crazy idea. The goal is to
> get the signal close enough on the way in that any touch up can be done with
> Paris software thus eliminating the latency situations.
>
> I'm guessing that most would find this ludicrous, but if anyone is
> succeeding with such an idea I would be curious.Lance,

Will it come up in safe mode with either optical drive installed? That
could help narrow down the field on where the problem exists.


JH

Lance Reichert wrote:
> Still no luck.
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61423 is a reply to message #61420] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Lang is currently offline  Chris Lang
Messages: 91
Registered: March 2007
Member
>
> I removed all Cd drivers, and there were too many.
>
> Restarted with the new DVD burner, same crash.
> Checked the driver, it's the only one available.
> Removed it under safe mode.
>
> Put in the original Cd burner - worked for 3 years until now.
> same crash. checked the driver . no problems there.
>
> Can't thank you guys enough for your help.
> Looks like I need more!!!
>
> Lance
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I couldn't find an A8V-Deluxe from the same place I got my CPU. I bought an
OEM board and now I'm having to jump through the hoops. I've just about got
this sussed though.........there is, however......plenty of opportunity for
some major pain over the weekend as I attempt to migrate my old HD over to
this new mobo without reformatting an reloading the OS and all of my
software programs.
Due to many similarities that seem to be carried over from older to newer
ASUS boards with VIA chipsets, I've had some previous success with this by
just loading the old system drive and updating the onboard driver sets.
Perhaps there will be minimal wailing, gnashing of teeth, rending of
garments.....etc........but then again.....what would a DAW build be without
at least one major catastrophe? I have a feeling I know exactly at wht stage
of this it will happen, but I'm keeping it secret until I know for sure.

;o)
..



;o)

"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43a3075a$1@li
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61427 is a reply to message #61367] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   UNITED STATES
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Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...
Senior Member

Put in the original Cd burner - worked for 3 years until now.
> > same crash. checked the driver . no problems there.
> >
> > Can't thank you guys enough for your help.
> > Looks like I need more!!!
> >
> > Lance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >It seems to start well to hold your brain awake here?-o) Good luck with
it!-)

Erling

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
news:43a30fe6$1@linux...
>I couldn't find an A8V-Deluxe from the same place I got my CPU. I bought an
> OEM board and now I'm having to jump through the hoops. I've just about
> got
> this sussed though.........there is, however......plenty of opportunity
> for
> some major pain over the weekend as I attempt to migrate my old HD over to
> this new mobo without reformatting an reloading the OS and all of my
> software programs.


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61430 is a reply to message #61427] Fri, 16 December 2005 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
erlilo is currently offline  erlilo   NORWAY
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de.
> >
> > Put in the original Cd burner - worked for 3 years until now.
> > same crash. checked the driver . no problems there.
> >
> > Can't thank you guys enough for your help.
> > Looks like I need more!!!
> >
> > Lance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Lance,

Just to verify, you're on '98? (plan of attack coming)

JH

Lance Reichert wrote:
> Hey John,
>
> The Cd drive is not recognized under safe mode, but the hard drives are.
>
>
>
> "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:43a30f67@linux...
>
>>Lance,
>>
>>Will it come up in safe mode with either optical drive installed? That
>>could help narrow down the field on where the problem exists.
>>
>>
>>JH
>>
>>Lance Reichert wrote:
>>
>>>Still no luck.
>>>
>>>I removed all Cd drivers, and there were too many.
>>>
>>>Restarted with the new DVD burner, same crash.
>>>Checked the driver, it's the only one available.
>>>Removed it under safe mode.
>>>
>>>Put in the original Cd burner - worked for 3 years until now.
>>>same crash. checked the driver . no problems there.
>>>
>>>Can't thank you guys enough for your help.
>>>Looks like I need more!!!
>>>
>>>Lance
>>>
>>>
>>>
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61443 is a reply to message #61427] Fri, 16 December 2005 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eugene B is currently offline  Eugene B
Messages: 35
Registered: August 2005
Member
#64;excite.com> wrote in message
news:43a32145$1@linux...
> Lance,
>
> THis is what I'd try:
>
> 1 If 98 drivers came with the DVD go into safe mode and install them
>
> 2 Reboot and see if your results are good. if not:
>
> 3 Backup you windows 98 directory and the system state to one of those
> extra hard drives you have
>
> 4 Boot off the Win98 Cd and go throught the process of installing 98 over
> the top of itself. If a system file it "pooched" this will replace it.
> Of course it will also put all the standard stuff back as well.
>
> 5 Boot again and see if it fixes the problem. If not, call tech support
> (actually you can call me and we can discuss further if your stateside
> 503-704-3701). Availabel 'til about 3pm pacific, then again later.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> JH
>
> Lance Reichert wrote:
>> 98 se
>>
>>
>> "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:43a31b0f@linux...
>>
>>>Lance,
>>>
>>>Just to verify, you're on '98? (plan of attack coming)
>>>
>>>JH
>>>
>>>Lance Reichert wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey John,
>>>>
>>>>The Cd drive is not recognized under safe mode, but the hard drives are.
>>>>
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61473 is a reply to message #61420] Sat, 17 December 2005 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
Messages: 441
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le
> Mac vs. PC debate. I was just thinking out loud. I go through this same
> kind of thing every time I build a new PC or upgrade, it's kind of a PITA.
> I was just wondering if upgrading an Apple Intel mac will have the same
> kind of issues? I hope they get it right. I wonder if Apple will have
affordable
> upgrade paths? Knowing Apple, they will probably solder in the processors
> so you have to buy a whole new computer to upgrade.
>
> This machine will be a whole new beast, I for one , will not be the first
> to dive in! It will be interesting to see how these systems perform and
> what problems they will have with them. People are already talking about
> hacking them to run dual boot, with XP and Mac OS. Dual boot would be
cool.
>
> I'm thinking, that even though Apple will be using Intel hardware software
> locking technology, some body will hack the new Mac OS and run it on a
standard
> PC with the new chip set. So it might be cheaper to wait.
>
> I guess will know more Jan. 9th. A $299 Mac mini with a built in TV tuner
> would be vary cool. A dual boot, multi processor tower with standard PCI
> slots that could run Paris XP and Mac OSX would be even cooler
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61474 is a reply to message #61423] Sat, 17 December 2005 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
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!
>
> Anybody have any thoughts?
>
> JamesI was down an the local Mac store here yesterday. I played around with a new
monster G5. I must say that *elegant in every way* was my
impression..........but that's my impression of Pro Tool HD system too.
IMO, with both of them, the purchaser becomes the *screwee* whenever the
moneymonkey needs a new injection of cash. Thing is, with a little tweaking,
I can achieve at least an equal, if not better result with alternative
platforms and not become one with the Borg.

;o)

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43a43ddf$1@linux...
>
> Sorry about mucking up Deej's thread. I wasn't looking to start the whole
> Mac vs. PC debate. I was just thinking out loud. I go through this same
> kind of thing every time I build a new PC or upgrade, it's kind of a PITA.
> I was just wondering if upgrading an Apple Intel mac will have the same
> kind of issues? I hope they get it right. I wonder if Apple will have
affordable
> upgrade paths? Knowing Apple, they will probably solder in the processors
> so you have to buy a whole new computer to upgrade.
>
> This machine will be a whole new beast, I for one , will not be the first
> to dive in! It will be interesting to see how these systems perform and
> what problems they will have with them. People are already talking about
> hacking them to run dual boot, with XP and Mac OS. Dual boot would be
cool.
>
> I'm thinking, that even though Apple will be using Intel hardware software
> locking technology, some body will hack the new Mac OS and run it on a
standard
> PC with the new chip set. So it might be cheaper to wait.
>
> I guess will know more Jan. 9th. A $299 Mac mini with a built in TV tuner
> would be vary cool. A dual boot, multi processor tower with standard PCI
> slots that could run Paris XP and Mac OSX would be even cooler!
>
> Anybody have any thoughts?
>
> JamesI'm most interested in the laptop side
Re: RNC vs UAD-1 [message #61475 is a reply to message #61427] Sat, 17 December 2005 09:37 Go to previous message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
Messages: 441
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.

If Apple can deliver a dual core laptop at a reasonable price, and if
the major production software is updated quickly, then it could be an
amazing system.

Just have to wait and see...

Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com

James McCloskey wrote:
> Sorry about mucking up Deej's thread. I wasn't looking to start the whole
> Mac vs. PC debate. I was just thinking out loud. I go through this same
> kind of thing every time I build a new PC or upgrade, it's kind of a PITA.
> I was just wondering if upgrading an Apple Intel mac will have the same
> kind of issues? I hope they get it right. I wonder if Apple will have affordable
> upgrade paths? Knowing Apple, they will probably solder in the processors
> so you have to buy a whole new computer to upgrade.
>
> This machine will be a whole new beast, I for one , will not be the first
> to dive in! It will be interesting to see how these systems perform and
> what problems they will have with them. People are already talking about
> hacking them to run dual boot, with XP and Mac OS. Dual boot would be cool.
>
> I'm thinking, that even though Apple will be using Intel hardware software
> locking technology, some body will hack the new Mac OS and run it on a standard
> PC with the new chip set. So it might be cheaper to wait.
>
> I guess will know more Jan. 9th. A $299 Mac mini with a built in TV tuner
> would be vary cool. A dual boot, multi processor tower with standard PCI
> slots that could run Paris XP and Mac OSX
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