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| Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86211] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 10:00  |
Dan B
Messages: 54
Registered: June 2005
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Hi,
I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and laptop.
Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit for a decent
price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone had
any experience of this unit.
I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more recent
ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was pretty
sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly cheap
converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards on
Paris.
Any thoughts?
Many thanks,
Dan
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86231 is a reply to message #86227] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 15:07  |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire wire
unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800 http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire (Mackie,
RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was the
best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu, RME,
Presonus,lastly focusrite.
Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great arfe the
Tascams units.
The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The pres
are good as well with good driver support.
Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against many
BIG $$ units..
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards and
love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are others
that are just as good and better.
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Dan,
>
>The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more money
>for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you need
>more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters that
>John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've heard
>under $1000.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>Dan wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and laptop.
>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit for
a decent
>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>
>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone
had
>> any experience of this unit.
>>
>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more recent
>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was pretty
>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly
cheap
>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards
on
>> Paris.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Dan
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86237 is a reply to message #86231] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 18:03 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Hi Lamont,
LaMont wrote:
> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire wire
> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>
> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800 http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>
>
The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than the
Onyx series at least.
The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire (Mackie,
> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was the
> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu, RME,
> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>
GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great arfe the
> Tascams units.
>
> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The pres
> are good as well with good driver support.
>
The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against many
> BIG $$ units..
>
Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is kind
of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some of
their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt but
is way to big!
> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>
> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards and
> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are others
> that are just as good and better.
>
Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this point
I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able to
daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about 2
weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
Chris
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> HI Dan,
>>
>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more money
>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you need
>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters that
>>
>
>
>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've heard
>>
>
>
>> under $1000.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and laptop.
>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit for
>>>
> a decent
>
>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>
>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone
>>>
> had
>
>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>
>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more recent
>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was pretty
>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly
>>>
> cheap
>
>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards
>>>
> on
>
>>> Paris.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Dan
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86238 is a reply to message #86237] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 18:25 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy Pre-amp.
I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have the
410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast and
reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
(with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy for
a Giga PC/MAC...
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Lamont,
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire wire
>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>
>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800 http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>
>>
>The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
>support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than the
>Onyx series at least.
>The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
>Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
>down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
>
>
>> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire
(Mackie,
>> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was the
>> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu, RME,
>> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>>
>GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
>
>> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great arfe
the
>> Tascams units.
>>
>> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The pres
>> are good as well with good driver support.
>>
>The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
>bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
>Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
>
>> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
>> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against
many
>> BIG $$ units..
>>
>Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is kind
>of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
>I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
>down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some of
>their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt but
>is way to big!
>
>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>>
>> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards
and
>> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are others
>> that are just as good and better.
>>
>Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this point
>I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
>ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
>have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
>amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able to
>daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
>We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about 2
>weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Dan,
>>>
>>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more money
>>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you need
>>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters that
>>>
>>
>>
>>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've heard
>>>
>>
>>
>>> under $1000.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and
laptop.
>>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit for
>>>>
>> a decent
>>
>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>
>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone
>>>>
>> had
>>
>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more
recent
>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was pretty
>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly
>>>>
>> cheap
>>
>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards
>>>>
>> on
>>
>>>> Paris.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86260 is a reply to message #86238] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 04:20 |
Dan B
Messages: 54
Registered: June 2005
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Thanks all for the input. Very interesting and more comprehensive than I'd
expected!
Any thoughts on how the Digi 002 / 003 fit into the picture. I'm particularly
concerned about A/D D/A (although good pre's are handy too), because I've
got a few fairly ok external pre's (SPL Gold Mic v1 and soon to get a DAV
BG-1). I also need a bunch of I/Os that aren't just pre's (which is why
the Focusrite was appealing, with line I/O, adat I/O, midi I/O etc).
Out of curiousity, in terms of pure A/D D/A, how do any of these units stack
up against Paris? I'm not keen to take (too much of) a step backwards if
I do move, but portability - not to mention some of the features of Cubase
(automatic plug in latency compensation, effects on subgroups, better automation,
integration wtih midi/vsti's) have got me thinking about moving. Though not
currently being a cubase user, that involves a whole steep learning curve!
Cheers,
D
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy Pre-amp.
>
>
>I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have the
>410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast and
>reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
>(with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy for
>a Giga PC/MAC...
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>Hi Lamont,
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire
wire
>>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>>
>>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800
http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>>
>>>
>>The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
>>support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than the
>
>>Onyx series at least.
>>The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
>>Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
>>down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
>>
>>
>>> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire
>(Mackie,
>>> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was
the
>>> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu, RME,
>>> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>>>
>>GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
>>
>>> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great arfe
>the
>>> Tascams units.
>>>
>>> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The pres
>>> are good as well with good driver support.
>>>
>>The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
>>bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
>>Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
>>
>>> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
>>> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against
>many
>>> BIG $$ units..
>>>
>>Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is kind
>
>>of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
>>I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
>>down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some of
>>their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt but
>
>>is way to big!
>>
>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>>>
>>> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards
>and
>>> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are
others
>>> that are just as good and better.
>>>
>>Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this point
>
>>I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
>>ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
>>have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
>>amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able to
>
>>daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
>>We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about 2
>>weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI Dan,
>>>>
>>>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>>>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more money
>
>>>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>>>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you need
>
>>>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters that
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've heard
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> under $1000.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and
>laptop.
>>>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit for
>>>>>
>>> a decent
>>>
>>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone
>>>>>
>>> had
>>>
>>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more
>recent
>>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was
pretty
>>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly
>>>>>
>>> cheap
>>>
>>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards
>>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86263 is a reply to message #86260] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 06:57 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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Over no the "for sale" section of the NG, Paul Artola is selling
an RME Multiface for $295... if he still has it, buy that & be
done with it... you'll get pristine convertors, good support if
you have any questions, a newly-updated driver that can be
downloaded immediately, zero-latency monitoring, regardless of
how many buffers you use oh, and did I say it sounds great?
Just buy a new PCI card so you're sure to get v1.7 or later -
there was a power-source issue on the older cards (it can be
fixed for about $40, but why buy a used card for $xxx, then
have to send it off to be fixed when about $260 gets you a new
one).
Neil
"Dan B" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks all for the input. Very interesting and more comprehensive than I'd
>expected!
>
>Any thoughts on how the Digi 002 / 003 fit into the picture. I'm particularly
>concerned about A/D D/A (although good pre's are handy too), because I've
>got a few fairly ok external pre's (SPL Gold Mic v1 and soon to get a DAV
>BG-1). I also need a bunch of I/Os that aren't just pre's (which is why
>the Focusrite was appealing, with line I/O, adat I/O, midi I/O etc).
>
>Out of curiousity, in terms of pure A/D D/A, how do any of these units stack
>up against Paris? I'm not keen to take (too much of) a step backwards if
>I do move, but portability - not to mention some of the features of Cubase
>(automatic plug in latency compensation, effects on subgroups, better automation,
>integration wtih midi/vsti's) have got me thinking about moving. Though
not
>currently being a cubase user, that involves a whole steep learning curve!
>
>Cheers,
>D
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy
Pre-amp.
>>
>>
>>I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have the
>>410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast and
>>reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
>>(with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy for
>>a Giga PC/MAC...
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Lamont,
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire
>wire
>>>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx
http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>>>
>>>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800
>http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
>
>>>support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than the
>>
>>>Onyx series at least.
>>>The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
>>>Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
>
>>>down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
>>>
>>>
>>>> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire
>>(Mackie,
>>>> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was
>the
>>>> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu,
RME,
>>>> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>>>>
>>>GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
>>>
>>>> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great arfe
>>the
>>>> Tascams units.
>>>>
>>>> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The
pres
>>>> are good as well with good driver support.
>>>>
>>>The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
>>>bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
>>>Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
>>>
>>>> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
>>>> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against
>>many
>>>> BIG $$ units..
>>>>
>>>Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is kind
>>
>>>of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
>>>I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
>
>>>down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some of
>
>>>their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt but
>>
>>>is way to big!
>>>
>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>>>>
>>>> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards
>>and
>>>> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are
>others
>>>> that are just as good and better.
>>>>
>>>Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this point
>>
>>>I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
>>>ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
>>>have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
>>>amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able to
>>
>>>daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
>>>We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about 2
>
>>>weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HI Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>>>>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more money
>>
>>>>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>>>>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you need
>>
>>>>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters
that
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've heard
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> under $1000.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and
>>laptop.
>>>>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit
for
>>>>>>
>>>> a decent
>>>>
>>>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone
>>>>>>
>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more
>>recent
>>>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was
>pretty
>>>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly
>>>>>>
>>>> cheap
>>>>
>>>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards
>>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86265 is a reply to message #86238] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 07:09 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
HI Lamont,
As long as there are now compatibility issues then yes the M-Audio units
you mentioned are excellent. The Delta series have been reliable for
years but are getting pretty long in the tooth.
The only big issues with the firewire stuff has been reliability. We've
had allot of them die but mostly from customers unplugging em at the
wrong time.
Sense we are building 30 computer systems a month at this [point I
unfortunately get to see allot more of the crap..:(
LaMont wrote:
> Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy Pre-amp.
>
>
> I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have the
> 410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast and
> reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
> (with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy for
> a Giga PC/MAC...
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lamont,
>>
>> LaMont wrote:
>>
>>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire wire
>>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>>
>>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800 http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
>> support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than the
>>
>
>
>> Onyx series at least.
>> The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
>> Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
>> down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
>>
>>
>>
>>> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire
>>>
> (Mackie,
>
>>> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was the
>>> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu, RME,
>>> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>>>
>>>
>> GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
>>
>>
>>> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great arfe
>>>
> the
>
>>> Tascams units.
>>>
>>> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The pres
>>> are good as well with good driver support.
>>>
>>>
>> The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
>> bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
>> Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
>>
>>
>>> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
>>> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against
>>>
> many
>
>>> BIG $$ units..
>>>
>>>
>> Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is kind
>>
>
>
>> of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
>> I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
>> down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some of
>> their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt but
>>
>
>
>> is way to big!
>>
>>
>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>>>
>>> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards
>>>
> and
>
>>> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are others
>>> that are just as good and better.
>>>
>>>
>> Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this point
>>
>
>
>> I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
>> ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
>> have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
>> amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able to
>>
>
>
>> daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
>> We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about 2
>> weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> HI Dan,
>>>>
>>>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>>>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more money
>>>>
>
>
>>>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>>>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you need
>>>>
>
>
>>>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've heard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> under $1000.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and
>>>>>
> laptop.
>
>>>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> a decent
>>>
>>>
>>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> had
>>>
>>>
>>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more
>>>>>
> recent
>
>>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was pretty
>>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> cheap
>>>
>>>
>>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86268 is a reply to message #86260] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 08:15 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Dan,
The M-Audio Project Mix I/O unit is better than the 002 and more flexible
than the 003..
"Dan B" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks all for the input. Very interesting and more comprehensive than I'd
>expected!
>
>Any thoughts on how the Digi 002 / 003 fit into the picture. I'm particularly
>concerned about A/D D/A (although good pre's are handy too), because I've
>got a few fairly ok external pre's (SPL Gold Mic v1 and soon to get a DAV
>BG-1). I also need a bunch of I/Os that aren't just pre's (which is why
>the Focusrite was appealing, with line I/O, adat I/O, midi I/O etc).
>
>Out of curiousity, in terms of pure A/D D/A, how do any of these units stack
>up against Paris? I'm not keen to take (too much of) a step backwards if
>I do move, but portability - not to mention some of the features of Cubase
>(automatic plug in latency compensation, effects on subgroups, better automation,
>integration wtih midi/vsti's) have got me thinking about moving. Though
not
>currently being a cubase user, that involves a whole steep learning curve!
>
>Cheers,
>D
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy
Pre-amp.
>>
>>
>>I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have the
>>410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast and
>>reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
>>(with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy for
>>a Giga PC/MAC...
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Lamont,
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire
>wire
>>>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx
http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>>>
>>>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800
>http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
>
>>>support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than the
>>
>>>Onyx series at least.
>>>The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
>>>Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
>
>>>down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
>>>
>>>
>>>> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire
>>(Mackie,
>>>> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was
>the
>>>> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu,
RME,
>>>> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>>>>
>>>GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
>>>
>>>> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great arfe
>>the
>>>> Tascams units.
>>>>
>>>> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The
pres
>>>> are good as well with good driver support.
>>>>
>>>The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
>>>bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
>>>Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
>>>
>>>> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
>>>> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against
>>many
>>>> BIG $$ units..
>>>>
>>>Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is kind
>>
>>>of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
>>>I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
>
>>>down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some of
>
>>>their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt but
>>
>>>is way to big!
>>>
>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>>>>
>>>> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards
>>and
>>>> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are
>others
>>>> that are just as good and better.
>>>>
>>>Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this point
>>
>>>I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
>>>ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
>>>have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
>>>amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able to
>>
>>>daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
>>>We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about 2
>
>>>weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HI Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>>>>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more money
>>
>>>>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>>>>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you need
>>
>>>>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters
that
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've heard
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> under $1000.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and
>>laptop.
>>>>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit
for
>>>>>>
>>>> a decent
>>>>
>>>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone
>>>>>>
>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more
>>recent
>>>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was
>pretty
>>>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly
>>>>>>
>>>> cheap
>>>>
>>>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards
>>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86271 is a reply to message #86268] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 08:17 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Hi lamont,
And you can use the M=Powered pro Tools and use Cubase or whatever else.
Chris
LaMont wrote:
> Dan,
>
> The M-Audio Project Mix I/O unit is better than the 002 and more flexible
> than the 003..
>
> "Dan B" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Thanks all for the input. Very interesting and more comprehensive than I'd
>> expected!
>>
>> Any thoughts on how the Digi 002 / 003 fit into the picture. I'm particularly
>> concerned about A/D D/A (although good pre's are handy too), because I've
>> got a few fairly ok external pre's (SPL Gold Mic v1 and soon to get a DAV
>> BG-1). I also need a bunch of I/Os that aren't just pre's (which is why
>> the Focusrite was appealing, with line I/O, adat I/O, midi I/O etc).
>>
>> Out of curiousity, in terms of pure A/D D/A, how do any of these units stack
>> up against Paris? I'm not keen to take (too much of) a step backwards if
>> I do move, but portability - not to mention some of the features of Cubase
>> (automatic plug in latency compensation, effects on subgroups, better automation,
>> integration wtih midi/vsti's) have got me thinking about moving. Though
> not
>> currently being a cubase user, that involves a whole steep learning curve!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> D
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy
> Pre-amp.
>>>
>>> I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have the
>>> 410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast and
>>> reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
>>> (with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy for
>>> a Giga PC/MAC...
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Lamont,
>>>>
>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire
>> wire
>>>>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx
> http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>>>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800
>> http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>>>>
>>>> The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
>>>> support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than the
>>>> Onyx series at least.
>>>> The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
>>>> Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
>>>> down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire
>>> (Mackie,
>>>>> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was
>> the
>>>>> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu,
> RME,
>>>>> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>>>>>
>>>> GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
>>>>
>>>>> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great arfe
>>> the
>>>>> Tascams units.
>>>>>
>>>>> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The
> pres
>>>>> are good as well with good driver support.
>>>>>
>>>> The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
>>>> bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
>>>> Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
>>>>
>>>>> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
>>>>> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against
>>> many
>>>>> BIG $$ units..
>>>>>
>>>> Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is kind
>>>> of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
>>>> I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
>>>> down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some of
>>>> their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt but
>>>> is way to big!
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards
>>> and
>>>>> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are
>> others
>>>>> that are just as good and better.
>>>>>
>>>> Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this point
>>>> I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
>
>>>> ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
>>>> have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
>
>>>> amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able to
>>>> daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
>>>> We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about 2
>>>> weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> HI Dan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>>>>>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more money
>>>>>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>>>>>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you need
>>>>>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters
> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've heard
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> under $1000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC and
>>> laptop.
>>>>>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit
> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>> a decent
>>>>>
>>>>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if anyone
>>>>>>>
>>>>> had
>>>>>
>>>>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against more
>>> recent
>>>>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was
>> pretty
>>>>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even fairly
>>>>>>>
>>>>> cheap
>>>>>
>>>>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out cards
>>>>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>> ADK
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86293 is a reply to message #86271] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 12:44 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
That's was my point.. :) : ) Great product..
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi lamont,
>
>And you can use the M=Powered pro Tools and use Cubase or whatever else.
>
>Chris
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Dan,
>>
>> The M-Audio Project Mix I/O unit is better than the 002 and more flexible
>> than the 003..
>>
>> "Dan B" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks all for the input. Very interesting and more comprehensive than
I'd
>>> expected!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how the Digi 002 / 003 fit into the picture. I'm particularly
>>> concerned about A/D D/A (although good pre's are handy too), because
I've
>>> got a few fairly ok external pre's (SPL Gold Mic v1 and soon to get a
DAV
>>> BG-1). I also need a bunch of I/Os that aren't just pre's (which is
why
>>> the Focusrite was appealing, with line I/O, adat I/O, midi I/O etc).
>>>
>>> Out of curiousity, in terms of pure A/D D/A, how do any of these units
stack
>>> up against Paris? I'm not keen to take (too much of) a step backwards
if
>>> I do move, but portability - not to mention some of the features of Cubase
>>> (automatic plug in latency compensation, effects on subgroups, better
automation,
>>> integration wtih midi/vsti's) have got me thinking about moving. Though
>> not
>>> currently being a cubase user, that involves a whole steep learning curve!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> D
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy
>> Pre-amp.
>>>>
>>>> I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have
the
>>>> 410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast
and
>>>> reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
>>>> (with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy
for
>>>> a Giga PC/MAC...
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Lamont,
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire
>>> wire
>>>>>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx
>> http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>>>>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800
>>> http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
>>>>> support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than
the
>>>>> Onyx series at least.
>>>>> The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
>>>>> Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
>>>>> down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire
>>>> (Mackie,
>>>>>> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was
>>> the
>>>>>> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu,
>> RME,
>>>>>> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>>>>>>
>>>>> GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great
arfe
>>>> the
>>>>>> Tascams units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The
>> pres
>>>>>> are good as well with good driver support.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
>>>>> bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
>>>>> Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
>>>>>> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against
>>>> many
>>>>>> BIG $$ units..
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is
kind
>>>>> of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
>>>>> I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
>>>>> down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some
of
>>>>> their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt
but
>>>>> is way to big!
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards
>>>> and
>>>>>> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are
>>> others
>>>>>> that are just as good and better.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this
point
>>>>> I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
>>
>>>>> ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
>>>>> have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
>>
>>>>> amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able
to
>>>>> daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
>>>>> We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about
2
>>>>> weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Dan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>>>>>>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more
money
>>>>>>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>>>>>>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you
need
>>>>>>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters
>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've
heard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> under $1000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC
and
>>>> laptop.
>>>>>>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit
>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a decent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if
anyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> had
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against
more
>>>> recent
>>>>>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was
>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even
fairly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out
cards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86307 is a reply to message #86263] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 18:20 |
Paul Artola
Messages: 161
Registered: November 2005
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Yep, still available. This is just the multiface, not the PCI or
PCMCIA card. Those are about $250 extra.
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On 7 Jun 2007 23:57:02 +1000, "Neil" <IUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>
>Over no the "for sale" section of the NG, Paul Artola is selling
>an RME Multiface for $295... if he still has it, buy that & be
>done with it... you'll get pristine convertors, good support if
>you have any questions, a newly-updated driver that can be
>downloaded immediately, zero-latency monitoring, regardless of
>how many buffers you use oh, and did I say it sounds great?
>Just buy a new PCI card so you're sure to get v1.7 or later -
>there was a power-source issue on the older cards (it can be
>fixed for about $40, but why buy a used card for $xxx, then
>have to send it off to be fixed when about $260 gets you a new
>one).
>
>Neil
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86335 is a reply to message #86307] |
Fri, 08 June 2007 07:10 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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If this isn't gone Paul, I'll take it in a second. Email me at my initials
at thadbrown.com if it is.
TCB
Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>Yep, still available. This is just the multiface, not the PCI or
>PCMCIA card. Those are about $250 extra.
>
>- Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
>On 7 Jun 2007 23:57:02 +1000, "Neil" <IUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Over no the "for sale" section of the NG, Paul Artola is selling
>>an RME Multiface for $295... if he still has it, buy that & be
>>done with it... you'll get pristine convertors, good support if
>>you have any questions, a newly-updated driver that can be
>>downloaded immediately, zero-latency monitoring, regardless of
>>how many buffers you use oh, and did I say it sounds great?
>>Just buy a new PCI card so you're sure to get v1.7 or later -
>>there was a power-source issue on the older cards (it can be
>>fixed for about $40, but why buy a used card for $xxx, then
>>have to send it off to be fixed when about $260 gets you a new
>>one).
>>
>>Neil
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| Re: Paris A/D converter quality? Moving to another system? [message #86932 is a reply to message #86271] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 11:09 |
Dan B
Messages: 54
Registered: June 2005
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Any thoughts on how the Paris A/D (24 bit, and I guess also the build in 20
bit A/D) stack up against the sorts on DACs you find in more recent, cheap
products - e.g. the Focusrite Saffire (which I'm probably most interested
in), and other units like RME / Presonus / etc.
Also, does anyone know what the Paris DACs actually are? I seem to remember
a reference to Crystal a looong time ago.
Cheers,
D
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi lamont,
>
>And you can use the M=Powered pro Tools and use Cubase or whatever else.
>
>Chris
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Dan,
>>
>> The M-Audio Project Mix I/O unit is better than the 002 and more flexible
>> than the 003..
>>
>> "Dan B" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks all for the input. Very interesting and more comprehensive than
I'd
>>> expected!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how the Digi 002 / 003 fit into the picture. I'm particularly
>>> concerned about A/D D/A (although good pre's are handy too), because
I've
>>> got a few fairly ok external pre's (SPL Gold Mic v1 and soon to get a
DAV
>>> BG-1). I also need a bunch of I/Os that aren't just pre's (which is
why
>>> the Focusrite was appealing, with line I/O, adat I/O, midi I/O etc).
>>>
>>> Out of curiousity, in terms of pure A/D D/A, how do any of these units
stack
>>> up against Paris? I'm not keen to take (too much of) a step backwards
if
>>> I do move, but portability - not to mention some of the features of Cubase
>>> (automatic plug in latency compensation, effects on subgroups, better
automation,
>>> integration wtih midi/vsti's) have got me thinking about moving. Though
>> not
>>> currently being a cubase user, that involves a whole steep learning curve!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> D
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy
>> Pre-amp.
>>>>
>>>> I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have
the
>>>> 410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast
and
>>>> reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
>>>> (with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy
for
>>>> a Giga PC/MAC...
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Lamont,
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire
>>> wire
>>>>>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx
>> http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>>>>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800
>>> http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor driver and poor
>>>>> support for the drivers. Although they have way better drivers than
the
>>>>> Onyx series at least.
>>>>> The 800f is a very good converters for sure. I should re-stated the
>>>>> Digimax to say they have the best value not just sound. They win hands
>>>>> down for features but yes the Mackie's will probably sound better.:)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We did a shoot out at our local GC with all the mic pres ,both firewire
>>>> (Mackie,
>>>>>> RME, Motu, Prosonus Focusrites.and UAD, Trident.. Well, the UAD was
>>> the
>>>>>> best of course..BUT, the Mackies were a second to none..Then, Motu,
>> RME,
>>>>>> Presonus,lastly focusrite.
>>>>>>
>>>>> GC ummm must have been a very scientific test. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another unit that often gets over lookedbut sounds amazingly great
arfe
>>>> the
>>>>>> Tascams units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FW1804, 1814,1082,1884 units converters are very very nice. The
>> pres
>>>>>> are good as well with good driver support.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The AD/DA sound good. The Mic-Pres didn't impress me but don't sound
>>>>> bad. The diver support is so so but I think that has more to do with
>>>>> Tascam's piss poor support. Don't get me talking about Gigastudio!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another great option that get's over look are the M-Audio pre/converters.
>>>>>> Like the Octane. These babys sounds great and I'll put them up against
>>>> many
>>>>>> BIG $$ units..
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they sound very good but not supporting higher sample rates is
kind
>>>>> of a dead end. I wish they would update it.
>>>>> I noticed that M-Audios support and quality control seems to have gone
>>>>> down sense the Avid thing. You would think it would get better.Some
of
>>>>> their products are very disappointing. The Tampa Mic-Pre kicks butt
but
>>>>> is way to big!
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Octane-main.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't we (me included) are stuck on RME. While I have 2 cards
>>>> and
>>>>>> love them for their good overall sound and driver support, their are
>>> others
>>>>>> that are just as good and better.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Still the best over all performance and driver support and at this
point
>>>>> I've installed and tested way too many sound cards and in the end the
>>
>>>>> ones that have had the lest troubels and the most responsive support
>>>>> have been RME. BTW that new Micstasy Pre-amp they have sound fricking
>>
>>>>> amazing as well as the new AD/DA they the the ADI8-QS and being able
to
>>>>> daisy chain them via MADI has made for killer live setups.
>>>>> We're gonna be first of the PCI-e version of the HDSP cards in about
2
>>>>> weeks which will be nice for Apple users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Dan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Focusrite does not sound nowhere near is as good as Paris.
>>>>>>> If you need to use firewire on your new system then save up more
money
>>>>>>> for either a RME Fireface 400 or 800 or for a Motu 828 or 896.
>>>>>>> Both have far nicer analog I/O and better digital clocks. If you
need
>>>>>>> more AD/DA and or Mic-pres then the Presonus Digimax FS converters
>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John recommends are the best sounding stand alone converters I've
heard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> under $1000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I'm considering moving to another system. Probably Cubase on PC
and
>>>> laptop.
>>>>>>>> Although I might be tempted to stay if I can pick up a Magma unit
>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a decent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if
anyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> had
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against
more
>>>> recent
>>>>>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was
>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even
fairly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out
cards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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