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Hi Bill,
I used a low end two war Carvin for years that was pretty good
and like you say less expensive. Blew the 1/2 throat drivers
on the horns once or twice. I now own SRM 450 Mackies=20
http://www.mackie.com/products/srm450/index.html
that have a better sounding horn than the EONs for my money. The EON's =
horn
always hurts the whole system's sound. EQ doesn't remedy their problem =
to
my ear. The Mackie is shy in the bass but EQ is your friend.
If I'm planning on slamming them in big rooms I carry a JBL
MRX 518 http://www.thomann.de/gb/jbl_mrx_518_s.htm?partner_id=3D7357 2
and power it with one side of a Crown XTI 4000. =
http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/xti.htm
That makes big tight bass and power for a second cab. The Crown weighs =
18lbs and puts
out 1200 watts/side @ 4 ohms. Serious grunt. The MRX 518 olds the =
Mackie with a pole too.
It isn't too heavy but bulky. One is enough for all of my indoor =
venues. Two for outdoor with another=20
larger top end rather than the Mackies.
I haven't heard Carvin PA stuff in decades. It might still be the best =
low $ deal.
The Mackies are light (37lbs) and powered. Running an AC line to them =
can be a
hasslehoff but not as bad as 75lbs is per cab and an old power amp.
Listen to the stuff if you can. The give away for me is the =
horns/crossover. I've found
bottom end easier to dial in than a sweet top with less than perfect =
cabs which is what
we're talking about here. Remember at indoor venues the bass/low mids =
coming off the back of those=20
cabs carrying down the backstage wall can have dire consequences with =
multiple open mics.
I hope this helps a little.
Tom
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476205aa$1@linux...
I don't believe I've heard any Carvin PA speakers, but I've
heard a couple or three different bass cabs of theirs & I
thought they sounded pretty good! If their PA speakers are of
similar construction, I'd be willing to bet they don't=20
totally suck... can you still get them loaded with different
driver options?
Neil
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but=20
>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you =
guys=20
>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>
>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that =
are
>about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I used a low end two war Carvin for =
years that was=20
pretty good</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and like you say less expensive. =
Blew the 1/2=20
throat drivers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on the horns once or twice. I now =
own SRM 450=20
Mackies </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.mackie.com/products/srm450/index.html">http://www.mack=
ie.com/products/srm450/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that have a better </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>sounding horn than the EONs for my money. The EON's=20
horn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>always hurts the whole system's =
sound. EQ=20
doesn't remedy their problem to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my ear. The Mackie is shy in the =
bass but EQ=20
is your friend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I'm planning on slamming them =
in big rooms=20
I carry a JBL</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MRX 518 <A=20
href=3D" http://www.thomann.de/gb/jbl_mrx_518_s.htm?partner_id=3D7357 2">ht=
tp://www.thomann.de/gb/jbl_mrx_518_s.htm?partner_id=3D73572</A></FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and power it with one side of =
a Crown XTI=20
4000. <A=20
href=3D"http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/xti.htm">http://www.crownaudio.=
com/amp_htm/xti.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That makes big tight bass and power for =
a second=20
cab. The Crown weighs 18lbs and puts</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>out 1200 watts/side @ 4 ohms. =
Serious=20
grunt. The MRX 518 </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>olds the =
Mackie with a=20
pole too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It isn't too heavy but =
bulky. =20
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One is enough for all of =
my indoor=20
venues. Two for outdoor </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with =
another=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>larger top end rather </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>than the Mackies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I haven't heard Carvin PA stuff in =
decades. =20
It might still be the best low $ deal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Mackies are light (37lbs) and =
powered. =20
Running an AC line to them can be a</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hasslehoff but not as bad as 75lbs is =
per cab and=20
an old power amp.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Listen to the stuff if you can. =
The give away=20
for me is the horns/crossover. I've found</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>bottom end easier to dial in than a =
sweet top with=20
less than perfect cabs which is what</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>we're talking about here. =20
Remember at</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> indoor venues the =
bass/low mids=20
coming off the back of those </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cabs carrying down the backstage =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>wall can have dire consequences with multiple open =
mics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope this helps a =
little.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Neil" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
href=3D"news:476205aa$1@linux">news:476205aa$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I =
don't=20
believe I've heard any Carvin PA speakers, but I've<BR>heard a couple =
or three=20
different bass cabs of theirs & I<BR>thought they sounded pretty =
good! If=20
their PA speakers are of<BR>similar construction, I'd be willing to =
bet they=20
don't <BR>totally suck... can you still get them loaded with=20
different<BR>driver options?<BR><BR>Neil<BR><BR><BR>Bill L <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com">bill@billlorentzen.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for =
many years,=20
but <BR>>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any =
of you=20
guys <BR>>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the=20
Eons?<BR>><BR>>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including =
some=20
Carvins that are<BR><BR>>about half what the others cost. Any=20
preferences?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93609 is a reply to message #93607] |
Thu, 13 December 2007 21:36 |
Tom Bruhl
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2 way . . .
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:4762160c@linux...
Hi Bill,
I used a low end two war Carvin for years that was pretty good
and like you say less expensive. Blew the 1/2 throat drivers
on the horns once or twice. I now own SRM 450 Mackies=20
http://www.mackie.com/products/srm450/index.html
that have a better sounding horn than the EONs for my money. The =
EON's horn
always hurts the whole system's sound. EQ doesn't remedy their =
problem to
my ear. The Mackie is shy in the bass but EQ is your friend.
If I'm planning on slamming them in big rooms I carry a JBL
MRX 518 http://www.thomann.de/gb/jbl_mrx_518_s.htm?partner_id=3D7357 2
and power it with one side of a Crown XTI 4000. =
http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/xti.htm
That makes big tight bass and power for a second cab. The Crown =
weighs 18lbs and puts
out 1200 watts/side @ 4 ohms. Serious grunt. The MRX 518 olds the =
Mackie with a pole too.
It isn't too heavy but bulky. One is enough for all of my indoor =
venues. Two for outdoor with another=20
larger top end rather than the Mackies.
I haven't heard Carvin PA stuff in decades. It might still be the =
best low $ deal.
The Mackies are light (37lbs) and powered. Running an AC line to them =
can be a
hasslehoff but not as bad as 75lbs is per cab and an old power amp.
Listen to the stuff if you can. The give away for me is the =
horns/crossover. I've found
bottom end easier to dial in than a sweet top with less than perfect =
cabs which is what
we're talking about here. Remember at indoor venues the bass/low mids =
coming off the back of those=20
cabs carrying down the backstage wall can have dire consequences with =
multiple open mics.
I hope this helps a little.
Tom
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:476205aa$1@linux...
I don't believe I've heard any Carvin PA speakers, but I've
heard a couple or three different bass cabs of theirs & I
thought they sounded pretty good! If their PA speakers are of
similar construction, I'd be willing to bet they don't=20
totally suck... can you still get them loaded with different
driver options?
Neil
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, =
but=20
>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you =
guys=20
>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>
>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that =
are
>about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2 way . . .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:4762160c@linux">news:4762160c@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I used a low end two war Carvin for =
years that=20
was pretty good</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and like you say less =
expensive. Blew the=20
1/2 throat drivers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on the horns once or twice. I =
now own SRM=20
450 Mackies </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.mackie.com/products/srm450/index.html">http://www.mack=
ie.com/products/srm450/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that have a better </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>sounding horn than the EONs for my money. The EON's=20
horn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>always hurts the whole system's =
sound. EQ=20
doesn't remedy their problem to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my ear. The Mackie is shy in the =
bass but EQ=20
is your friend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I'm planning on slamming them =
in big=20
rooms I carry a JBL</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MRX 518 <A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.thomann.de/gb/jbl_mrx_518_s.htm?partner_id=3D7357 2">ht=
tp://www.thomann.de/gb/jbl_mrx_518_s.htm?partner_id=3D73572</A></FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and power it with one side of =
a Crown=20
XTI 4000. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/xti.htm">http://www.crownaudio.=
com/amp_htm/xti.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That makes big tight bass and power =
for a second=20
cab. The Crown weighs 18lbs and puts</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>out 1200 watts/side @ 4 ohms. =
Serious=20
grunt. The MRX 518 </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>olds the =
Mackie with a=20
pole too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It isn't too heavy but =
bulky. =20
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One is enough for all of =
my indoor=20
venues. Two for outdoor </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with =
another=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>larger top end rather </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>than the Mackies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I haven't heard Carvin PA stuff in =
decades. =20
It might still be the best low $ deal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Mackies are light (37lbs) and =
powered. =20
Running an AC line to them can be a</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hasslehoff but not as bad as 75lbs is =
per cab and=20
an old power amp.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Listen to the stuff if you can. =
The give=20
away for me is the horns/crossover. I've found</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>bottom end easier to dial in than a =
sweet top=20
with less than perfect cabs which is what</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>we're talking about here. =20
Remember at</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> indoor venues the =
bass/low=20
mids coming off the back of those </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cabs carrying down the backstage =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>wall can have dire consequences with multiple =
open=20
mics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope this helps a =
little.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Neil" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:476205aa$1@linux">news:476205aa$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I =
don't=20
believe I've heard any Carvin PA speakers, but I've<BR>heard a =
couple or=20
three different bass cabs of theirs & I<BR>thought they sounded =
pretty=20
good! If their PA speakers are of<BR>similar construction, I'd be =
willing to=20
bet they don't <BR>totally suck... can you still get them loaded =
with=20
different<BR>driver options?<BR><BR>Neil<BR><BR><BR>Bill L <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com">bill@billlorentzen.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for =
many=20
years, but <BR>>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. =
Have=20
any of you guys <BR>>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic =
ones like=20
the Eons?<BR>><BR>>I'm considering a wide range of brands, =
including=20
some Carvins that are<BR><BR>>about half what the others cost. =
Any=20
preferences?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
you?<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93613 is a reply to message #93597] |
Thu, 13 December 2007 23:08 |
dc[3]
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Both the Eon and the Mackie are decent and can sound good with
a bit of massaging.
These, however
http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/s.php?product=39&title=V1 2&s=1
Will positively murder either one.
Studio grade sound, great projection, clear as a bell, sweet and really
powerful. There is a version with a built in amp as well.
More money of course, but if you are playing out, and really want to
sound phenomenal, there is nothing out there as good. And, because
they are dual-concentric (horn fires through the center of the woofer)
they are very compact. We install these all over the western states.
DC
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>
>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that are
>about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93621 is a reply to message #93613] |
Thu, 13 December 2007 22:43 |
Tom Bruhl
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DC,
Those look pretty snazzy. A little heavy but I'll bet they are smooth.
Well, they look smooth anyway. I considered using my Genelec 1037s
live too. A little too heavy but not too big. They would do some nice
work for a small PA.
The multi trip, weight thing with no roadie and doubles on the weekend =
got me out=20
of moving my 3 way EAWs (88lbs on tripods) (Extra Added Weight) and 2 x =
900 watt=20
@ 8 ohm power amps in the 90s.
The One Man Band - Rodie - Gear Slut=20
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:47621de5$1@linux...
Both the Eon and the Mackie are decent and can sound good with=20
a bit of massaging.
These, however
http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/s.php?product=3D39&title= 3DV12&s=3D1
Will positively murder either one.
Studio grade sound, great projection, clear as a bell, sweet and =
really
powerful. There is a version with a built in amp as well.
More money of course, but if you are playing out, and really want to
sound phenomenal, there is nothing out there as good. And, because
they are dual-concentric (horn fires through the center of the woofer)
they are very compact. We install these all over the western states.
DC
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but=20
>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you =
guys=20
>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>
>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that =
are
>about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DC,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Those look pretty snazzy. A =
little heavy but=20
I'll bet they are smooth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, they look smooth anyway. I =
considered=20
using my Genelec 1037s</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>live too. A little too =
heavy but not too=20
big. They would do some nice</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>work for a small PA.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The multi trip, weight thing with no =
roadie=20
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and doubles on the weekend got me out =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>of moving my 3 way EAWs (88lbs on=20
tripods)</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(Extra Added Weight) =
and 2 x 900=20
watt </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>@ 8 ohm power amps in the =
90s.</FONT></DIV>
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Fri, 14 December 2007 08:09 |
EK Sound
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Says the guy with the Tannoy underwear... ;-)
David.
DC wrote:
> Both the Eon and the Mackie are decent and can sound good with
> a bit of massaging.
>
> These, however
>
> http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/s.php?product=39&title=V1 2&s=1
>
> Will positively murder either one.
>
> Studio grade sound, great projection, clear as a bell, sweet and really
> powerful. There is a version with a built in amp as well.
>
> More money of course, but if you are playing out, and really want to
> sound phenomenal, there is nothing out there as good. And, because
> they are dual-concentric (horn fires through the center of the woofer)
> they are very compact. We install these all over the western states.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>
>>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>
>>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that are
>
>
>>about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
>
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93628 is a reply to message #93621] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 09:19 |
dc[3]
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I wondered about the weight thing. The Mackie SRM 450 actually
weighs about 1 lbs. more than the powered version of the V12
(known as the Power V12), they are both about 50 lbs.
The V12 , BTW, is a totally different product than the studio monitor
line and will cover large amounts of people, even outdoors where studio
monitors will not. I once did a brass quintet with a pair of them, a Mackie
1202, an amp, and a pair of KM84's. Sounded like a CD, and it was
outdoors for 700 people. Their only drawback is the price... The street
price for the passive V12's is 3K a pair, and the powered are about
4600 a pair. You can get a pair of SRM450's for about 1400 or less.
DC
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>DC,
>Those look pretty snazzy. A little heavy but I'll bet they are smooth.
>Well, they look smooth anyway. I considered using my Genelec 1037s
>live too. A little too heavy but not too big. They would do some nice
>work for a small PA.
>
>The multi trip, weight thing with no roadie and doubles on the weekend =
>got me out=20
>of moving my 3 way EAWs (88lbs on tripods) (Extra Added Weight) and 2 x
=
>900 watt=20
>@ 8 ohm power amps in the 90s.
>The One Man Band - Rodie - Gear Slut=20
>
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:47621de5$1@linux...
>
> Both the Eon and the Mackie are decent and can sound good with=20
> a bit of massaging.
>
> These, however
>
> http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/s.php?product=3D39&title= 3DV12&s=3D1
>
> Will positively murder either one.
>
> Studio grade sound, great projection, clear as a bell, sweet and =
>really
> powerful. There is a version with a built in amp as well.
>
> More money of course, but if you are playing out, and really want to
> sound phenomenal, there is nothing out there as good. And, because
> they are dual-concentric (horn fires through the center of the woofer)
> they are very compact. We install these all over the western states.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> >I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but=20
> >they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you =
>guys=20
> >done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
> >
> >I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that =
>are
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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>90s.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The One Man Band - Rodie - Gear=20
>Slut </FONT></DIV>
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> the=20
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> =
>href=3D" http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/s.php?product=3D39&title= 3DV12=
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>V12&s=3D1</A><BR><BR>Will=20
> positively murder either one.<BR><BR>Studio grade sound, great =
>projection,=20
> clear as a bell, sweet and really<BR>powerful. There is a =
>version with a=20
> built in amp as well.<BR><BR>More money of course, but if you are =
>playing out,=20
> and really want to<BR>sound phenomenal, there is nothing out there as=20
> good. And, because<BR>they are dual-concentric (horn fires =
>through the=20
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>these=20
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> wrote:<BR>>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for =
>many years,=20
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93629 is a reply to message #93627] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 09:22 |
dc[3]
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Hah! No, just T-Shirt... There is no comparison though. With EQ,
without EQ, V12's just slaughter Eons or SRM45o's.
They should for the money...
We sell all three BTW.
DC
EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>Says the guy with the Tannoy underwear... ;-)
>
>David.
>
>DC wrote:
>
>> Both the Eon and the Mackie are decent and can sound good with
>> a bit of massaging.
>>
>> These, however
>>
>> http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/s.php?product=39&title=V1 2&s=1
>>
>> Will positively murder either one.
>>
>> Studio grade sound, great projection, clear as a bell, sweet and really
>> powerful. There is a version with a built in amp as well.
>>
>> More money of course, but if you are playing out, and really want to
>> sound phenomenal, there is nothing out there as good. And, because
>> they are dual-concentric (horn fires through the center of the woofer)
>> they are very compact. We install these all over the western states.
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>>>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>>>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>>
>>>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that are
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Fri, 14 December 2007 10:24 |
Jamie K
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I'm still using an ancient EV "Entertainer" system for solo gigs
(powered mixer and 12" 2-way speakers, at about 35lb each). It still
sounds decent and it won't die. Good stuff. So for my next system I will
definitely consider the new EVs you suggest.
I have considered getting a Bose L1 system (played through a couple and
they work well for some kinds of gigs) but it weighs about the same as
the EV system, is about as time consuming to set up, doesn't include a
real mixer and is mono only. The new Bose L2 has a slightly lighter
tower base component but is more expensive and offers less inputs unless
you buy the add-on FX/remote.
Another new "plastic box" system I've seen recently: Peavy has some
inexpensive 2-way powered 10s, 12s and 15s that are remarkably light,
and non-powered version that are even lighter. Can't comment on the
sound but some reviewers have claimed they are as good or better than
the JBLs and Mackies. Dunno.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
EK Sound wrote:
> Wood will always sound better than plastic. Depending on your budget
> and SPL requirements, for passive boxes, check out the JBL MRX series.
> The new JBL's are quite light weight and good sounding. The SRX is
> better but more expensive. I am not a huge fan of powered speakers, too
> many comprimises. Oh, and as someone who repairs speakers as part of my
> living, I would say avoid the EONs... If you MUST have powered plastic
> boxes het these:
>
> http://www.electrovoice.com/products/211.html
>
> German built power and an up-sized compression driver. They sound and
> work great.
>
> David.
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>> they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>> done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>
>> I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that
>> are about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93643 is a reply to message #93642] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 10:33 |
EK Sound
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LOL!, yah, we have some of the black face and the later grey face
Entertainer mixers here... most are dead. Great little rig for the day
though. The S100 tweeter diaphragms are still available, but they
discontinued the foam surround cones for the woofers (although we still
have a couple). If you ever need to get them re-coned, you will have to
use a Force 12 kit.
David.
Jamie K wrote:
>
> I'm still using an ancient EV "Entertainer" system for solo gigs
> (powered mixer and 12" 2-way speakers, at about 35lb each). It still
> sounds decent and it won't die. Good stuff. So for my next system I will
> definitely consider the new EVs you suggest.
>
> I have considered getting a Bose L1 system (played through a couple and
> they work well for some kinds of gigs) but it weighs about the same as
> the EV system, is about as time consuming to set up, doesn't include a
> real mixer and is mono only. The new Bose L2 has a slightly lighter
> tower base component but is more expensive and offers less inputs unless
> you buy the add-on FX/remote.
>
> Another new "plastic box" system I've seen recently: Peavy has some
> inexpensive 2-way powered 10s, 12s and 15s that are remarkably light,
> and non-powered version that are even lighter. Can't comment on the
> sound but some reviewers have claimed they are as good or better than
> the JBLs and Mackies. Dunno.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> EK Sound wrote:
>
>> Wood will always sound better than plastic. Depending on your budget
>> and SPL requirements, for passive boxes, check out the JBL MRX series.
>> The new JBL's are quite light weight and good sounding. The SRX is
>> better but more expensive. I am not a huge fan of powered speakers,
>> too many comprimises. Oh, and as someone who repairs speakers as part
>> of my living, I would say avoid the EONs... If you MUST have powered
>> plastic boxes het these:
>>
>> http://www.electrovoice.com/products/211.html
>>
>> German built power and an up-sized compression driver. They sound and
>> work great.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>>> they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you
>>> guys done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>>
>>> I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that
>>> are about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93644 is a reply to message #93633] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 11:49 |
dc[3]
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yes, that was a bad move IMO. We had several DOA Mackie
mixers after the move, and are now using mostly Allen & Heath.
Mackie management fired 200 people, closed the WA plant,
and, using the brand recognition, made knock-offs of their
own gear and pocketed millions...
uggg
none for me
DC
EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>One thing to consider... in the last 3-4 years, Mackie has moved
>manufacturing to China. This means that the RCF drivers and Italian amp
>module that were once used in the '450 have been replaced with Chineese
>counterparts that are of lesser quality... I know, I used to fix those
>as well... (no longer sell or service Mackie products)
>
>David.
>
>scott h wrote:
>
>> for my money, nothing beats the mackies. I have used them for both bands,
>> radio remotes,and DJing... they sound really great, and not harsh. if
you
>> need a little more"umph" the mackie sub is also a great piece and integrates
>> very well sonically.
>>
>> on the other hand... if you want your speakers to be part of the light
show...
>> get the Eons and push them REALLY hard. they have a light bulb that acts
>> as a capacitor so you don't blow the drivers when you crank 'em. its actually
>> pretty fun to watch in a dark room.....
>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>>>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>>>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>>
>>>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that are
>>
>>
>>>about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
>>
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Fri, 14 December 2007 13:45 |
Bill L
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I'd love the Tannoys, but too steep for my wallet. I love the size.
DC wrote:
> Both the Eon and the Mackie are decent and can sound good with
> a bit of massaging.
>
> These, however
>
> http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/s.php?product=39&title=V1 2&s=1
>
> Will positively murder either one.
>
> Studio grade sound, great projection, clear as a bell, sweet and really
> powerful. There is a version with a built in amp as well.
>
> More money of course, but if you are playing out, and really want to
> sound phenomenal, there is nothing out there as good. And, because
> they are dual-concentric (horn fires through the center of the woofer)
> they are very compact. We install these all over the western states.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>> they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>> done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>
>> I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that are
>
>> about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
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Fri, 14 December 2007 20:12 |
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Don and David,
I recently replaced an RCF woofer that was blown (the first problem ever
after around 7 years full time) and the Chinese replacement woofer =
sounds=20
very close to the 7 year old RCF. I was lucky enough to have the RCF =
reconed
with original components that were purchased before Mackie screwed the =
pooch=20
on those guys. That one sits in a box waiting for it's day. The RCF =
recone was as
expensive as the replacement Chinese woofer. We'll see if the Chinese =
model
lasts with the punishment I give it. It's probably seen 50 performances =
without
a problem so far.
The one thing that surprises me is that the plastic Mackie cab does not =
rattle
or buzz after all this abuse. I figured that would be the first thing =
to go. It isn't
as pretty as I'd like and I'm not sure how to remove the scuffs. Any =
ideas on
that?
Tom
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4762d045$1@linux...
yes, that was a bad move IMO. We had several DOA Mackie
mixers after the move, and are now using mostly Allen & Heath.
Mackie management fired 200 people, closed the WA plant,
and, using the brand recognition, made knock-offs of their
own gear and pocketed millions...
uggg
none for me
DC
EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>One thing to consider... in the last 3-4 years, Mackie has moved=20
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amp
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Chineese
>counterparts that are of lesser quality... I know, I used to fix =
those=20
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>
>David.
>
>scott h wrote:
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bands,
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if
you
>> need a little more"umph" the mackie sub is also a great piece and =
integrates
>> very well sonically.=20
>>=20
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light
show...
>> get the Eons and push them REALLY hard. they have a light bulb =
that acts
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its actually
>> pretty fun to watch in a dark room.....
>>=20
>>=20
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>=20
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>>>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>expensive as the replacement Chinese =
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We'll see if the Chinese model</FONT></DIV>
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it. It's=20
probably seen 50 performances without</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a problem so far.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The one thing that surprises me is that =
the plastic=20
Mackie cab does not rattle</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or buzz after all this abuse. I =
figured that=20
would be the first thing to go. It isn't</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as pretty as I'd like and I'm not sure =
how to=20
remove the scuffs. Any ideas on</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"DC" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dc@spammersinhell.com">dc@spammersinhell.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4762d045$1@linux">news:4762d045$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>yes,=
that=20
was a bad move IMO. We had several DOA Mackie<BR>mixers after =
the move,=20
and are now using mostly Allen & Heath.<BR><BR>Mackie management =
fired 200=20
people, closed the WA plant,<BR>and, using the brand recognition, made =
knock-offs of their<BR>own gear and pocketed=20
millions...<BR><BR>uggg<BR><BR>none for me<BR><BR>DC<BR><BR><BR>EK =
Sound=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:ask_me@nospam.net">ask_me@nospam.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>One thing to consider... in the last 3-4 years, Mackie =
has moved=20
<BR>>manufacturing to China. This means that the RCF drivers =
and=20
Italian amp<BR><BR>>module that were once used in the '450 have =
been=20
replaced with Chineese<BR><BR>>counterparts that are of lesser =
quality... I=20
know, I used to fix those <BR>>as well... (no longer sell or =
service Mackie=20
products)<BR>><BR>>David.<BR>><BR >>scott h=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> for my money, nothing beats the mackies. I =
have=20
used them for both bands,<BR>>> radio remotes,and DJing... they =
sound=20
really great, and not harsh. if<BR>you<BR>>> need a little =
more"umph"=20
the mackie sub is also a great piece and integrates<BR>>> very =
well=20
sonically. <BR>>> <BR>>> on the other hand... if you want =
your=20
speakers to be part of the light<BR>show...<BR>>> get the Eons =
and push=20
them REALLY hard. they have a light bulb that acts<BR>>> =
as a=20
capacitor so you don't blow the drivers when you crank 'em. its=20
actually<BR>>> pretty fun to watch in a dark =
room.....<BR>>>=20
<BR>>> <BR>>> Bill L <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com">bill@billlorentzen.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>>I've been using the same pair of =
Yamaha 15"=20
cabs for many years, but <BR>>>>they're just too damn heavy. =
I have=20
plastic envy. Have any of you guys<BR><BR>>>>done comparisons =
of wood=20
cabs and plastic ones like the =
Eons?<BR>>>><BR>>>>I'm=20
considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that=20
are<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>>about half what the =
others cost.=20
Any preferences?<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
you?<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY ></HTML>
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93658 is a reply to message #93646] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 23:05 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
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I did a gig where I had to use Mackie SRM450's and once I found that
gritchy upper mid thing and pulled it down a bit, they sounded pretty
darn decent. If you have a stereo parametric, they would make a
good alternative.
DC
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I'd love the Tannoys, but too steep for my wallet. I love the size.
>
>DC wrote:
>> Both the Eon and the Mackie are decent and can sound good with
>> a bit of massaging.
>>
>> These, however
>>
>> http://www.tannoy-speakers.com/s.php?product=39&title=V1 2&s=1
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>> Will positively murder either one.
>>
>> Studio grade sound, great projection, clear as a bell, sweet and really
>> powerful. There is a version with a built in amp as well.
>>
>> More money of course, but if you are playing out, and really want to
>> sound phenomenal, there is nothing out there as good. And, because
>> they are dual-concentric (horn fires through the center of the woofer)
>> they are very compact. We install these all over the western states.
>>
>> DC
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>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>>> they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>>> done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>>
>>> I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that are
>>
>>> about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93695 is a reply to message #93626] |
Sun, 16 December 2007 16:47 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Stay away from the sx300, the horns blow out like a candle in a fan factory.
I worked with a guy that got about 6 shows out of 4 of them, and the horns
were all dead by the beginning of the 7th show. We had to pinch hit with a
pair of SP series Peaveys, unhappily.
AA
"EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:4762aaa4$1@linux...
> Wood will always sound better than plastic. Depending on your budget and
> SPL requirements, for passive boxes, check out the JBL MRX series. The new
> JBL's are quite light weight and good sounding. The SRX is better but
> more expensive. I am not a huge fan of powered speakers, too many
> comprimises. Oh, and as someone who repairs speakers as part of my
> living, I would say avoid the EONs... If you MUST have powered plastic
> boxes het these:
>
> http://www.electrovoice.com/products/211.html
>
> German built power and an up-sized compression driver. They sound and
> work great.
>
> David.
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>> they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>> done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>
>> I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that are
>> about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
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| Re: OT PA speakers [message #93709 is a reply to message #93695] |
Sun, 16 December 2007 22:17 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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I will have to disagree with you on this one... The 7 piece
R&B band (live horns) I do sound for has a pair of T52's for
top end. These use the same 81514XX diaphragms that all
their stage boxes having 1" drivers use. For 10 years, I
have been powering these 2 boxes with 1/2 of a Crown
Vz3600... that's 800W clean per box on a cab rated for 400W.
I run that amp right up to ODEP kicking in on a REGULAR
basis, and I have only taken out 3 diaphragms in all that
time. Even with large chunks of the titanium missing, they
STILL produce high end!
I think your friend should look at how he is powering the
300's.... ;-)
David.
Aaron Allen wrote:
> Stay away from the sx300, the horns blow out like a candle in a fan factory.
> I worked with a guy that got about 6 shows out of 4 of them, and the horns
> were all dead by the beginning of the 7th show. We had to pinch hit with a
> pair of SP series Peaveys, unhappily.
>
> AA
>
> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:4762aaa4$1@linux...
>
>>Wood will always sound better than plastic. Depending on your budget and
>>SPL requirements, for passive boxes, check out the JBL MRX series. The new
>>JBL's are quite light weight and good sounding. The SRX is better but
>>more expensive. I am not a huge fan of powered speakers, too many
>>comprimises. Oh, and as someone who repairs speakers as part of my
>>living, I would say avoid the EONs... If you MUST have powered plastic
>>boxes het these:
>>
>>http://www.electrovoice.com/products/211.html
>>
>>German built power and an up-sized compression driver. They sound and
>>work great.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Bill L wrote:
>>
>>>I've been using the same pair of Yamaha 15" cabs for many years, but
>>>they're just too damn heavy. I have plastic envy. Have any of you guys
>>>done comparisons of wood cabs and plastic ones like the Eons?
>>>
>>>I'm considering a wide range of brands, including some Carvins that are
>>>about half what the others cost. Any preferences?
>
>
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