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Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79308]

Wed, 31 January 2007 08:50

Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006

Senior Member

<begin paste>
Sony settles with FTC
The Federal Trade Commission says Sony BMG went too far with anti-piracy
and other measure that "...limited the devices on which the music could be
played, restricted the number of copies that could be made, and contained
technology that monitored their listening habits to send them marketing messages."
It also made customer computers susceptible to hackers. All of this should
have been made clear to customers beforehand, says the FTC. Once on a customer's
computer, the software was said to be difficult to remove, and this led to
a requirement that the company reimburse customers up to 150 dollars for
damage done to their computer while attempting to do so. Customers also have
until 6/31/07 to exchange the CDs. "Installations of secret software that
create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman Deborah
Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must ade!
quately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their products
so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase and
install that content."

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79312 is a reply to message #79308]

Wed, 31 January 2007 09:32

LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005

Senior Member

WOW!!

"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
><begin paste>
>Sony settles with FTC
>The Federal Trade Commission says Sony BMG went too far with anti-piracy
>and other measure that "...limited the devices on which the music could
be
>played, restricted the number of copies that could be made, and contained
>technology that monitored their listening habits to send them marketing
messages."
>It also made customer computers susceptible to hackers. All of this should
>have been made clear to customers beforehand, says the FTC. Once on a customer's
>computer, the software was said to be difficult to remove, and this led
to
>a requirement that the company reimburse customers up to 150 dollars for
>damage done to their computer while attempting to do so. Customers also
have
>until 6/31/07 to exchange the CDs. "Installations of secret software that
>create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman Deborah
>Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must
ade!
>quately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their products
>so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase and
>install that content."
>

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79323 is a reply to message #79308]

Wed, 31 January 2007 11:39

Chris Ludwig

Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

awesome
power to the peep hole!!!

Neil wrote:
> <begin paste>
> Sony settles with FTC
> The Federal Trade Commission says Sony BMG went too far with anti-piracy
> and other measure that "...limited the devices on which the music could be
> played, restricted the number of copies that could be made, and contained
> technology that monitored their listening habits to send them marketing messages."
> It also made customer computers susceptible to hackers. All of this should
> have been made clear to customers beforehand, says the FTC. Once on a customer's
> computer, the software was said to be difficult to remove, and this led to
> a requirement that the company reimburse customers up to 150 dollars for
> damage done to their computer while attempting to do so. Customers also have
> until 6/31/07 to exchange the CDs. "Installations of secret software that
> create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman Deborah
> Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must ade!
> quately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their products
> so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase and
> install that content."
>

--
Chris Ludwig

ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79326 is a reply to message #79308]

Wed, 31 January 2007 12:07

Graham Duncan

Messages: 147
Registered: December 2008

Senior Member

Interesting. I wonder how this will work out for Apple iTunes or any
DRM? Ownership vs. a license. Hmm.

Graham

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79345 is a reply to message #79308]

Wed, 31 January 2007 18:26

Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006

Senior Member

Ridiculous!

They deserve worse and $150 to help each customer in repair? Sheezuz...
that won't be much help for a VIRII that is non-removeable... except for
restore. And Sony will want your blood to convince them that they were the
problem with your computer... Absolutely ridiculous and worthless
decision... They deserve more humiliation than a slap in the hand!

"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45c0bae1$1@linux...
>
> <begin paste>
> Sony settles with FTC
> The Federal Trade Commission says Sony BMG went too far with anti-piracy
> and other measure that "...limited the devices on which the music could be
> played, restricted the number of copies that could be made, and contained
> technology that monitored their listening habits to send them marketing
> messages."
> It also made customer computers susceptible to hackers. All of this should
> have been made clear to customers beforehand, says the FTC. Once on a
> customer's
> computer, the software was said to be difficult to remove, and this led to
> a requirement that the company reimburse customers up to 150 dollars for
> damage done to their computer while attempting to do so. Customers also
> have
> until 6/31/07 to exchange the CDs. "Installations of secret software that
> create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman
> Deborah
> Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must
> ade!
> quately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their
> products
> so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase and
> install that content."
>

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79367 is a reply to message #79345]

Thu, 01 February 2007 11:10

chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Microsoft released a tool in December 2005 that will cleanly remove the Sony
Rootkit.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830/

Chuck
"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>Ridiculous!
>
>They deserve worse and $150 to help each customer in repair? Sheezuz...

>that won't be much help for a VIRII that is non-removeable... except for

>restore. And Sony will want your blood to convince them that they were
the
>problem with your computer... Absolutely ridiculous and worthless
>decision... They deserve more humiliation than a slap in the hand!
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45c0bae1$1@linux...
>>
>> <begin paste>
>> Sony settles with FTC
>> The Federal Trade Commission says Sony BMG went too far with anti-piracy
>> and other measure that "...limited the devices on which the music could
be
>> played, restricted the number of copies that could be made, and contained
>> technology that monitored their listening habits to send them marketing

>> messages."
>> It also made customer computers susceptible to hackers. All of this should
>> have been made clear to customers beforehand, says the FTC. Once on a

>> customer's
>> computer, the software was said to be difficult to remove, and this led
to
>> a requirement that the company reimburse customers up to 150 dollars for
>> damage done to their computer while attempting to do so. Customers also

>> have
>> until 6/31/07 to exchange the CDs. "Installations of secret software that
>> create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman
>> Deborah
>> Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must

>> ade!
>> quately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their

>> products
>> so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase
and
>> install that content."
>>
>
>

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79369 is a reply to message #79367]

Thu, 01 February 2007 11:13

LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005

Senior Member

You are the as man Chuck..Thanks..

"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Microsoft released a tool in December 2005 that will cleanly remove the
Sony
>Rootkit.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830/
>
>Chuck
>"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>Ridiculous!
>>
>>They deserve worse and $150 to help each customer in repair? Sheezuz...
>
>>that won't be much help for a VIRII that is non-removeable... except for
>
>>restore. And Sony will want your blood to convince them that they were
>the
>>problem with your computer... Absolutely ridiculous and worthless
>>decision... They deserve more humiliation than a slap in the hand!
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45c0bae1$1@linux...
>>>
>>> <begin paste>
>>> Sony settles with FTC
>>> The Federal Trade Commission says Sony BMG went too far with anti-piracy
>>> and other measure that "...limited the devices on which the music could
>be
>>> played, restricted the number of copies that could be made, and contained
>>> technology that monitored their listening habits to send them marketing
>
>>> messages."
>>> It also made customer computers susceptible to hackers. All of this should
>>> have been made clear to customers beforehand, says the FTC. Once on a
>
>>> customer's
>>> computer, the software was said to be difficult to remove, and this led
>to
>>> a requirement that the company reimburse customers up to 150 dollars
for
>>> damage done to their computer while attempting to do so. Customers also
>
>>> have
>>> until 6/31/07 to exchange the CDs. "Installations of secret software
that
>>> create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman

>>> Deborah
>>> Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must
>
>>> ade!
>>> quately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their
>
>>> products
>>> so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase
>and
>>> install that content."
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79370 is a reply to message #79345]

Thu, 01 February 2007 11:14

LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005

Senior Member

Agreed!! But, you know the lawyers made out like bandits!!

"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>Ridiculous!
>
>They deserve worse and $150 to help each customer in repair? Sheezuz...

>that won't be much help for a VIRII that is non-removeable... except for

>restore. And Sony will want your blood to convince them that they were
the
>problem with your computer... Absolutely ridiculous and worthless
>decision... They deserve more humiliation than a slap in the hand!
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45c0bae1$1@linux...
>>
>> <begin paste>
>> Sony settles with FTC
>> The Federal Trade Commission says Sony BMG went too far with anti-piracy
>> and other measure that "...limited the devices on which the music could
be
>> played, restricted the number of copies that could be made, and contained
>> technology that monitored their listening habits to send them marketing

>> messages."
>> It also made customer computers susceptible to hackers. All of this should
>> have been made clear to customers beforehand, says the FTC. Once on a

>> customer's
>> computer, the software was said to be difficult to remove, and this led
to
>> a requirement that the company reimburse customers up to 150 dollars for
>> damage done to their computer while attempting to do so. Customers also

>> have
>> until 6/31/07 to exchange the CDs. "Installations of secret software that
>> create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman
>> Deborah
>> Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must

>> ade!
>> quately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their

>> products
>> so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase
and
>> install that content."
>>
>
>

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79382 is a reply to message #79369]

Thu, 01 February 2007 13:40

Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006

Senior Member

"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>You are the as man Chuck..Thanks..

Chuck's a proctologist?

:D

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Re: Sony & Federal Trade Commission [message #79447 is a reply to message #79367]

Sat, 03 February 2007 16:15

Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006

Senior Member

Microsoft? And you trust them to come to the people's aid? lol.

People can be naive about this and trust them (M$ or Sony) that they have
the answer to remove it... go fer it! But techies have proven that it's not
completely removed and the only "fer sure" way to remove it is reformat and
restore... I bit of google search will reveal.

"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:45c22d2b$1@linux...
>
> Microsoft released a tool in December 2005 that will cleanly remove the
> Sony
> Rootkit.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830/
>
> Chuck
> "Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>Ridiculous!
>>
>>They deserve worse and $150 to help each customer in repair? Sheezuz...
>
>>that won't be much help for a VIRII that is non-removeable... except for
>
>>restore. And Sony will want your blood to convince them that they were
> the
>>problem with your computer... Absolutely ridiculous and worthless
>>decision... They deserve more humiliation than a slap in the hand!
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45c0bae1$1@linux...
>>>
>>> <begin paste>
>>> Sony settles with FTC
>>> The Federal Trade Commission says Sony BMG went too far with anti-piracy
>>> and other measure that "...limited the devices on which the music could
> be
>>> played, restricted the number of copies that could be made, and
>>> contained
>>> technology that monitored their listening habits to send them marketing
>
>>> messages."
>>> It also made customer computers susceptible to hackers. All of this
>>> should
>>> have been made clear to customers beforehand, says the FTC. Once on a
>
>>> customer's
>>> computer, the software was said to be difficult to remove, and this led
> to
>>> a requirement that the company reimburse customers up to 150 dollars for
>>> damage done to their computer while attempting to do so. Customers also
>
>>> have
>>> until 6/31/07 to exchange the CDs. "Installations of secret software
>>> that
>>> create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman
>>> Deborah
>>> Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must
>
>>> ade!
>>> quately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their
>
>>> products
>>> so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase
> and
>>> install that content."
>>>
>>
>>
>

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