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| OT-Gov't Mule [message #86020] |
Mon, 04 June 2007 17:58  |
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I've always been intrigued by what I've read about Gov't Mule (and I once
played in a C&W show band out of Nashville w/ Allan Woody) but I've never
heard any of their stuff. Does anyone here listen to them? Any suggestions
for a Gov't Mule smapler?
Thanks!
Gantt
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: OT-Gov't Mule [message #86063 is a reply to message #86020] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 06:06  |
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Oops. I meant to say 'SAMPLER'. Not 'SMAPLER'.
A smapler is a whole 'nother thing altogether.
Gantt
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>I've always been intrigued by what I've read about Gov't Mule (and I once
>played in a C&W show band out of Nashville w/ Allan Woody) but I've never
>heard any of their stuff. Does anyone here listen to them? Any suggestions
>for a Gov't Mule smapler?
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>Thanks!
>
>Gantt
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: OT-Gov't Mule [message #86086 is a reply to message #86074] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 12:06 |
tonehouse
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I agree..with most of TCB's assessment..but I saw the "Allman Bros" last
fall...Greg sang about 4 songs the whole show.Warren sang TOO much. And too
many of his originals..their"jams" sounded scripted,and I didn't hear any
real blues coming from Derek Trucks...technically good slide artist, but
blues....not. In fact when Warren briefly played slide,it had much more of
the old "duane" thang than Trucks ever did..
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46657da2$1@linux...
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> I missed the last couple of records, but I always thought the songwriting
> was a rather pale excuse for playing really long guitar solos. There are
> a few guitar players good enough for me to enjoy that (Hendrix, Duane
Allman,
> Mike Stern, John McLaughlin sometimes, Leo Kottke, Charlie Christian), but
> for me personally Haynes doesn't make the cut. Which is probably why I
didn't
> get the last few records. I think when he's working with the Allmans and
> playing those great old Allmans songs he's pretty freaking fantastic.
>
> TCB
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> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >I've always been intrigued by what I've read about Gov't Mule (and I once
> >played in a C&W show band out of Nashville w/ Allan Woody) but I've never
> >heard any of their stuff. Does anyone here listen to them? Any
suggestions
> >for a Gov't Mule smapler?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Gantt
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| Re: OT-Gov't Mule [message #86092 is a reply to message #86086] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 12:38 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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I agree..with most of TCB's assessment..but I saw the "Allman Bros" =
last
fall...Greg sang about 4 songs the whole show.Warren sang TOO much. =
And too
many of his originals..their"jams" sounded scripted,and I didn't hear =
any
real blues coming from Derek Trucks...technically good slide artist, =
but
blues....not. In fact when Warren briefly played slide,it had much =
more of
the old "duane" thang than Trucks ever did..
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46657da2$1@linux...
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> I missed the last couple of records, but I always thought the =
songwriting
> was a rather pale excuse for playing really long guitar solos. There =
are
> a few guitar players good enough for me to enjoy that (Hendrix, =
Duane
Allman,
> Mike Stern, John McLaughlin sometimes, Leo Kottke, Charlie =
Christian), but
> for me personally Haynes doesn't make the cut. Which is probably why =
I
didn't
> get the last few records. I think when he's working with the Allmans =
and
> playing those great old Allmans songs he's pretty freaking =
fantastic.
>
> TCB
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> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >I've always been intrigued by what I've read about Gov't Mule (and =
I once
> >played in a C&W show band out of Nashville w/ Allan Woody) but I've =
never
> >heard any of their stuff. Does anyone here listen to them? Any
suggestions
> >for a Gov't Mule smapler?
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> >Thanks!
> >
> >Gantt
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| Re: OT-Gov't Mule [message #86236 is a reply to message #86220] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 17:52 |
Phil Aiken
Messages: 62
Registered: February 2008
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I respect everyone's taste...but the trend in rock music seems to me to be
- with each generation of admittedly artificially pigeonholed or categorized
artists - that the playing has remained constant or even improved on a technical
level, but the spirit and the songwriting has gone downhill.
Allmans> Skynryd>Molly Hatchet>GVT Mule
Dead>A bunch of other bands who maybe shouldn't be lumped in> Phish+DMB (eeewwww)
Beatles>XTC>Jellyfish>Oasis (OK,,,I will admittedly add <Neil Finn to all
but the 1st)
Dylan>Springstein> all other pretenders to the throne
Ramones + Buzzcocks + Television> Green Day + Strokes + whoever
Stones>Aerosmith >Black Crowes, Counting Crowes, Russell Crowe
Jimi>Stevie Ray Vaughn> Blueshammer guitarist du jour
Elton John> Ben Folds
Stax/Motown > All the neo soul stuff. And everything else, pretty much.
Aretha>Gladys>everyone immediate following> Whiteny/Celine>etc.
Marily Monroe>Pamela Lee>Anna Nicole
It isn't just nostalgia for me, as most of the bands I think are superior
are before my time, and I also like alot of new artists and keep my ears
open. It justs seems like certain cultural flashpoints happen and generations
of artists capture the letter but not the spirit of the original stuff.
It's my birthday and I've been out for beers with my wife....I will possibly
disavow all (or some) of these opinions tomorrow.
So there.
Tony Benson <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Buy it all. It's all good. There are differences from album to album, but
>it's all good. See them live if you get the chance. Excellent band. Warren
>Haynes is one of a kind. Get his solo stuff too.
>
>You can't tell I like GM can you? ;>)
>
>Tony
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>On 6/4/07 7:58 PM, in article 4664b520$1@linux, "Gantt Kushner"
><ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> I've always been intrigued by what I've read about Gov't Mule (and I once
>> played in a C&W show band out of Nashville w/ Allan Woody) but I've never
>> heard any of their stuff. Does anyone here listen to them? Any suggestions
>> for a Gov't Mule smapler?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gantt
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| Re: OT-Gov't Mule [message #86262 is a reply to message #86236] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 06:49 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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This attitude drives me up the wall, Hendrix to one side. Blah blah blah,
sixties sixties sixties, no spirit today, blah blah blah. Try out Paul Westerberg,
Lyle Lovett, Big Star, Jeff Tweedy, Thievery Corporation, and Al Jourgenson
if you want some amazing, interesting new voices.
TCB
"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
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>
>I respect everyone's taste...but the trend in rock music seems to me to
be
>- with each generation of admittedly artificially pigeonholed or categorized
>artists - that the playing has remained constant or even improved on a
technical
>level, but the spirit and the songwriting has gone downhill.
>
>Allmans> Skynryd>Molly Hatchet>GVT Mule
>
>Dead>A bunch of other bands who maybe shouldn't be lumped in> Phish+DMB
(eeewwww)
>
>Beatles>XTC>Jellyfish>Oasis (OK,,,I will admittedly add <Neil Finn to all
>but the 1st)
>
>Dylan>Springstein> all other pretenders to the throne
>
>Ramones + Buzzcocks + Television> Green Day + Strokes + whoever
>
>Stones>Aerosmith >Black Crowes, Counting Crowes, Russell Crowe
>
>Jimi>Stevie Ray Vaughn> Blueshammer guitarist du jour
>
>Elton John> Ben Folds
>
>Stax/Motown > All the neo soul stuff. And everything else, pretty much.
>
>Aretha>Gladys>everyone immediate following> Whiteny/Celine>etc.
>
>Marily Monroe>Pamela Lee>Anna Nicole
>
>It isn't just nostalgia for me, as most of the bands I think are superior
>are before my time, and I also like alot of new artists and keep my ears
>open. It justs seems like certain cultural flashpoints happen and generations
>of artists capture the letter but not the spirit of the original stuff.
>
>
>It's my birthday and I've been out for beers with my wife....I will possibly
>disavow all (or some) of these opinions tomorrow.
>
>So there.
>
>
>
>
>
>Tony Benson <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>Buy it all. It's all good. There are differences from album to album, but
>>it's all good. See them live if you get the chance. Excellent band. Warren
>>Haynes is one of a kind. Get his solo stuff too.
>>
>>You can't tell I like GM can you? ;>)
>>
>>Tony
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>>
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>>On 6/4/07 7:58 PM, in article 4664b520$1@linux, "Gantt Kushner"
>><ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've always been intrigued by what I've read about Gov't Mule (and I
once
>>> played in a C&W show band out of Nashville w/ Allan Woody) but I've never
>>> heard any of their stuff. Does anyone here listen to them? Any suggestions
>>> for a Gov't Mule smapler?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Gantt
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| Re: OT-Gov't Mule [message #86266 is a reply to message #86262] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 07:40 |
Phil Aiken
Messages: 62
Registered: February 2008
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Thad,
Love many of the artists you name....I am anything but a '60's worshipper.
Just speaking to artists that are ostensibly part of - or could be viewed
as part of - a certain lineage. ie....the Southern Rock lineage, the Blues
Rock guitar slinger lineage, the Beatlesque lineage, etc. This thought was
just extension of the Govt Mule falling short of the Allmans due to songwriting
train of thought expressed, I think by you, but possibly by someone else
in the thread...I didn't at all mean to imply that there was no orignal stuff
going on now, just pointing out a certain trend of watering down in terms
of writing.
But...if I may drive you further up the wall.....I love the latest Wilco
record, own all their albums actually, and have opened for them, but wouldn't
consider Tweedy to be highly original, and I wouldn't stack Sky Blue Sky
up against Music from Big Pink. I love (and own) all the Big Star records,
but I wouldn't stack them up against the Beatles or Kinks.
Westerberg is an original voice in my mind as well.
Did you mean to cite Lyle Lovett, The Replacements, Big Star or Wilco
as NEW artists? Or was this just speaking to a 60's fixation that I don't
actually have but was, I guess, implied by my post?
-Phil
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>This attitude drives me up the wall, Hendrix to one side. Blah blah blah,
>sixties sixties sixties, no spirit today, blah blah blah. Try out Paul Westerberg,
>Lyle Lovett, Big Star, Jeff Tweedy, Thievery Corporation, and Al Jourgenson
>if you want some amazing, interesting new voices.
>
>TCB
>
>"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
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>>
>>I respect everyone's taste...but the trend in rock music seems to me to
>be
>>- with each generation of admittedly artificially pigeonholed or categorized
>>artists - that the playing has remained constant or even improved on a
>technical
>>level, but the spirit and the songwriting has gone downhill.
>>
>>Allmans> Skynryd>Molly Hatchet>GVT Mule
>>
>>Dead>A bunch of other bands who maybe shouldn't be lumped in> Phish+DMB
>(eeewwww)
>>
>>Beatles>XTC>Jellyfish>Oasis (OK,,,I will admittedly add <Neil Finn to all
>>but the 1st)
>>
>>Dylan>Springstein> all other pretenders to the throne
>>
>>Ramones + Buzzcocks + Television> Green Day + Strokes + whoever
>>
>>Stones>Aerosmith >Black Crowes, Counting Crowes, Russell Crowe
>>
>>Jimi>Stevie Ray Vaughn> Blueshammer guitarist du jour
>>
>>Elton John> Ben Folds
>>
>>Stax/Motown > All the neo soul stuff. And everything else, pretty much.
>>
>>Aretha>Gladys>everyone immediate following> Whiteny/Celine>etc.
>>
>>Marily Monroe>Pamela Lee>Anna Nicole
>>
>>It isn't just nostalgia for me, as most of the bands I think are superior
>>are before my time, and I also like alot of new artists and keep my ears
>>open. It justs seems like certain cultural flashpoints happen and generations
>>of artists capture the letter but not the spirit of the original stuff.
>>
>>
>>It's my birthday and I've been out for beers with my wife....I will possibly
>>disavow all (or some) of these opinions tomorrow.
>>
>>So there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony Benson <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>>Buy it all. It's all good. There are differences from album to album,
but
>>>it's all good. See them live if you get the chance. Excellent band. Warren
>>>Haynes is one of a kind. Get his solo stuff too.
>>>
>>>You can't tell I like GM can you? ;>)
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 6/4/07 7:58 PM, in article 4664b520$1@linux, "Gantt Kushner"
>>><ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've always been intrigued by what I've read about Gov't Mule (and I
>once
>>>> played in a C&W show band out of Nashville w/ Allan Woody) but I've
never
>>>> heard any of their stuff. Does anyone here listen to them? Any suggestions
>>>> for a Gov't Mule smapler?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT-Gov't Mule [message #86267 is a reply to message #86266] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 08:03 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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First of all, as I said, Hendrix is kept out of this. He was from Mars, and
there is nobody in his 'lineage' and there never will be. Boxing him with
with SRV (a fine guitarist to be sure) is like comparing a Ferrari to a Camry.
Most, but not all, of the music you mention is 60's era stuff, and it was
mentioned in the context of songwriting. I think Westerberg stacks up against
plain only anyone. Is 'September Girls' as good as 'Waterloo Sunset?' I dunno,
I'd say it depends on my mood, but if it isn't it's damn close and they both
literally give me shivers when I hear them.
Your first post seemed to be about quality, and the examples I gave were
people who are in the rough tradition of songwriting you mention. I'm sure
there are others out there now, but I quit listening actively to rock/pop/folk
about ten years ago. This post is about originality, and if you want that
I'm afraid you're going to have to look in the Kraftwerk legacy, which finds
its way all through electronic, hip hop, dance hall, and R&B music. But they're
just recycling loops and samples and have no talent as I've been told repeatedly
here.
Bottom line, if a person can't find great new music it's because they're
not looking hard enough.
TCB
"Phil Aiken" <asdf@asdf.asd> wrote:
>
>Thad,
> Love many of the artists you name....I am anything but a '60's worshipper.
>Just speaking to artists that are ostensibly part of - or could be viewed
>as part of - a certain lineage. ie....the Southern Rock lineage, the Blues
>Rock guitar slinger lineage, the Beatlesque lineage, etc. This thought was
>just extension of the Govt Mule falling short of the Allmans due to songwriting
>train of thought expressed, I think by you, but possibly by someone else
>in the thread...I didn't at all mean to imply that there was no orignal
stuff
>going on now, just pointing out a certain trend of watering down in terms
>of writing.
> But...if I may drive you further up the wall.....I love the latest Wilco
>record, own all their albums actually, and have opened for them, but wouldn't
>consider Tweedy to be highly original, and I wouldn't stack Sky Blue Sky
>up against Music from Big Pink. I love (and own) all the Big Star records,
>but I wouldn't stack them up against the Beatles or Kinks.
> Westerberg is an original voice in my mind as well.
> Did you mean to cite Lyle Lovett, The Replacements, Big Star or Wilco
>as NEW artists? Or was this just speaking to a 60's fixation that I don't
>actually have but was, I guess, implied by my post?
>-Phil
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>This attitude drives me up the wall, Hendrix to one side. Blah blah blah,
>>sixties sixties sixties, no spirit today, blah blah blah. Try out Paul
Westerberg,
>>Lyle Lovett, Big Star, Jeff Tweedy, Thievery Corporation, and Al Jourgenson
>>if you want some amazing, interesting new voices.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>I respect everyone's taste...but the trend in rock music seems to me to
>>be
>>>- with each generation of admittedly artificially pigeonholed or categorized
>>>artists - that the playing has remained constant or even improved on
a
>>technical
>>>level, but the spirit and the songwriting has gone downhill.
>>>
>>>Allmans> Skynryd>Molly Hatchet>GVT Mule
>>>
>>>Dead>A bunch of other bands who maybe shouldn't be lumped in> Phish+DMB
>>(eeewwww)
>>>
>>>Beatles>XTC>Jellyfish>Oasis (OK,,,I will admittedly add <Neil Finn to
all
>>>but the 1st)
>>>
>>>Dylan>Springstein> all other pretenders to the throne
>>>
>>>Ramones + Buzzcocks + Television> Green Day + Strokes + whoever
>>>
>>>Stones>Aerosmith >Black Crowes, Counting Crowes, Russell Crowe
>>>
>>>Jimi>Stevie Ray Vaughn> Blueshammer guitarist du jour
>>>
>>>Elton John> Ben Folds
>>>
>>>Stax/Motown > All the neo soul stuff. And everything else, pretty much.
>>>
>>>Aretha>Gladys>everyone immediate following> Whiteny/Celine>etc.
>>>
>>>Marily Monroe>Pamela Lee>Anna Nicole
>>>
>>>It isn't just nostalgia for me, as most of the bands I think are superior
>>>are before my time, and I also like alot of new artists and keep my ears
>>>open. It justs seems like certain cultural flashpoints happen and generations
>>>of artists capture the letter but not the spirit of the original stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's my birthday and I've been out for beers with my wife....I will possibly
>>>disavow all (or some) of these opinions tomorrow.
>>>
>>>So there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Tony Benson <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>>>Buy it all. It's all good. There are differences from album to album,
>but
>>>>it's all good. See them live if you get the chance. Excellent band. Warren
>>>>Haynes is one of a kind. Get his solo stuff too.
>>>>
>>>>You can't tell I like GM can you? ;>)
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 6/4/07 7:58 PM, in article 4664b520$1@linux, "Gantt Kushner"
>>>><ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've always been intrigued by what I've read about Gov't Mule (and
I
>>once
>>>>> played in a C&W show band out of Nashville w/ Allan Woody) but I've
>never
>>>>> heard any of their stuff. Does anyone here listen to them? Any suggestions
>>>>> for a Gov't Mule smapler?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>
>>
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