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Faderworks is just AMAZING ! [message #79374] Thu, 01 February 2007 12:58 Go to next message
Dimitrios is currently offline  Dimitrios   
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Hi,
would like to note here that after working a coupkle of days with faderworks
I don't know how could I work (mix) before in Paris !
Amazing..
I have put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.
I group all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars, el.guitars,
back. vocals, strings, pads, etc.
Now pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you here only
the group it belongs too, or mute !! the group.
I also use the latency compensator.
Putting an waves rvox I type 64 and all faderworks go up to 64.
Putting a rchannel from waves on snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 and all
others go up just one sample to 65 !!
fantastic.
I encourage all that you bought it, USE IT.
You can ask me anything by the way if someone has some questions with it.
Regards,
Dimitrios
Re: Faderworks is just AMAZING ! [message #79381 is a reply to message #79374] Thu, 01 February 2007 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LAMont[3] is currently offline  LAMont[3]
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Sounds nice.. I have to give it twirl..

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
> would like to note here that after working a coupkle of days with faderworks
>I don't know how could I work (mix) before in Paris !
>Amazing..
>I have put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.
>I group all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars, el.guitars,
>back. vocals, strings, pads, etc.
>Now pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you here only
>the group it belongs too, or mute !! the group.
>I also use the latency compensator.
>Putting an waves rvox I type 64 and all faderworks go up to 64.
>Putting a rchannel from waves on snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 and
all
>others go up just one sample to 65 !!
>fantastic.
>I encourage all that you bought it, USE IT.
>You can ask me anything by the way if someone has some questions with it.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
Re: Faderworks is just AMAZING ! [message #79384 is a reply to message #79381] Thu, 01 February 2007 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Saaaaweeeet!
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritch.net> wrote in message =
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Sounds nice.. I have to give it twirl..

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
> would like to note here that after working a coupkle of days with =
faderworks
>I don't know how could I work (mix) before in Paris !
>Amazing..
>I have put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.
>I group all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars, =
el.guitars,
>back. vocals, strings, pads, etc.
>Now pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you here =
only
>the group it belongs too, or mute !! the group.
>I also use the latency compensator.
>Putting an waves rvox I type 64 and all faderworks go up to 64.
>Putting a rchannel from waves on snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 =
and
all
>others go up just one sample to 65 !!
>fantastic.
>I encourage all that you bought it, USE IT.
>You can ask me anything by the way if someone has some questions with =
it.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios



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Re: Faderworks is just AMAZING ! [message #79401 is a reply to message #79374] Fri, 02 February 2007 06:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pauln[1] is currently offline  Pauln[1]
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Is there a list of plugin latencies somewhere?

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
> would like to note here that after working a coupkle of days with faderworks
>I don't know how could I work (mix) before in Paris !
>Amazing..
>I have put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.
>I group all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars, el.guitars,
>back. vocals, strings, pads, etc.
>Now pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you here only
>the group it belongs too, or mute !! the group.
>I also use the latency compensator.
>Putting an waves rvox I type 64 and all faderworks go up to 64.
>Putting a rchannel from waves on snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 and
all
>others go up just one sample to 65 !!
>fantastic.
>I encourage all that you bought it, USE IT.
>You can ask me anything by the way if someone has some questions with it.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
Re: Faderworks is just AMAZING ! [message #79410 is a reply to message #79401] Fri, 02 February 2007 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dimitrios is currently offline  Dimitrios   
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Here is the waves latency table.
On my Paris rig Ultrapitch is 8192 latent !
Regards,
Dimitrios

Native Latency Table
Plug-In Latency Time [KHz]
44.1 96
measured in Samples
C1 comp / gate 340 720
C1 comp side ch 340 720
C4 64 128
L1 64 128
L2 64 128
L3 3528 7680
LinEq BroadBand 2679 5360
LinEq LowBand 2047 4095
Lin Mb 3528 7680
Morphoder 639 1279
Rchannel 65 129
Rcomp 64 128
RdeEsser 64 128
Rvox 64 128
Sound Shifter 6946 13858
Trans X 64 128
Ultra Pitch 8239 not supported
X-Click 2625 not supported
X-Crackle 2625 not supported
X-Noise 5120 5120


44.1 96

For TDM add 3 for each Plug-In except for the UltraPitch !!!
For HTDM add 1028 samples for each Plug-In.




"PaulN" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Is there a list of plugin latencies somewhere?
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>> would like to note here that after working a coupkle of days with faderworks
>>I don't know how could I work (mix) before in Paris !
>>Amazing..
>>I have put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.
>>I group all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars, el.guitars,
>>back. vocals, strings, pads, etc.
>>Now pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you here only
>>the group it belongs too, or mute !! the group.
>>I also use the latency compensator.
>>Putting an waves rvox I type 64 and all faderworks go up to 64.
>>Putting a rchannel from waves on snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 and
>all
>>others go up just one sample to 65 !!
>>fantastic.
>>I encourage all that you bought it, USE IT.
>>You can ask me anything by the way if someone has some questions with it.
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>
Re: Faderworks is just AMAZING ! [message #79411 is a reply to message #79410] Fri, 02 February 2007 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's great Dimitrios.
Anyone know the math to convert to 48k from 44k?
Thanks,
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
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Here is the waves latency table.
On my Paris rig Ultrapitch is 8192 latent !
Regards,
Dimitrios

Native Latency Table
Plug-In Latency Time [KHz]=20
44.1 96=20
measured in Samples=20
C1 comp / gate 340 720=20
C1 comp side ch 340 720=20
C4 64 128=20
L1 64 128=20
L2 64 128=20
L3 3528 7680=20
LinEq BroadBand 2679 5360=20
LinEq LowBand 2047 4095=20
Lin Mb 3528 7680=20
Morphoder 639 1279=20
Rchannel 65 129=20
Rcomp 64 128=20
RdeEsser 64 128=20
Rvox 64 128=20
Sound Shifter 6946 13858=20
Trans X 64 128=20
Ultra Pitch 8239 not supported=20
X-Click 2625 not supported=20
X-Crackle 2625 not supported=20
X-Noise 5120 5120=20


44.1 96=20

For TDM add 3 for each Plug-In except for the UltraPitch !!!
For HTDM add 1028 samples for each Plug-In.




"PaulN" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Is there a list of plugin latencies somewhere?
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>> would like to note here that after working a coupkle of days with =
faderworks
>>I don't know how could I work (mix) before in Paris !
>>Amazing..
>>I have put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.
>>I group all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars, =
el.guitars,
>>back. vocals, strings, pads, etc.
>>Now pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you =
here only
>>the group it belongs too, or mute !! the group.
>>I also use the latency compensator.
>>Putting an waves rvox I type 64 and all faderworks go up to 64.
>>Putting a rchannel from waves on snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 =
and
>all
>>others go up just one sample to 65 !!
>>fantastic.
>>I encourage all that you bought it, USE IT.
>>You can ask me anything by the way if someone has some questions =
with it.
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's great Dimitrios.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyone know the math to convert to 48k =
from=20
44k?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Dimitrios" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
<A =
href=3D"news:45c37759$1@linux">news:45c37759$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Here=
is=20
the waves latency table.<BR>On my Paris rig Ultrapitch is 8192 latent=20
!<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>Native Latency Table<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Plug-In=20
Latency Time [KHz] <BR>44.1 96 <BR>measured in Samples <BR>C1 comp / =
gate 340=20
720 <BR>C1 comp side ch 340 720 <BR>C4=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
64&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
128 <BR>L1 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;=20
64&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 128 <BR>L2=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 64 128 <BR>L3=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 3528 7680 <BR>LinEq =
BroadBand 2679=20
5360 <BR>LinEq LowBand 2047 4095 <BR>Lin Mb=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 3528 7680 <BR>Morphoder 639 =
1279=20
<BR>Rchannel 65 129 <BR>Rcomp 64 128 <BR>RdeEsser 64 128 <BR>Rvox 64 =
128=20
<BR>Sound Shifter 6946 13858 <BR>Trans X=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 64 128 <BR>Ultra Pitch 8239 =
not=20
supported <BR>X-Click &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 2625 =
not=20
supported <BR>X-Crackle 2625 not supported <BR>X-Noise=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 5120 5120 <BR><BR><BR>44.1 =
96=20
<BR><BR>For TDM add 3 for each Plug-In except for the UltraPitch =
!!!<BR>For=20
HTDM add 1028 samples for each Plug-In.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"PaulN" =
&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:paul@nospam.com">paul@nospam.com</A>&gt; =
wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Is=20
there a list of plugin latencies somewhere?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;"Dimitrios" =
&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>&gt;=20
wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Hi,<BR>&gt;&gt; would like to note here =
that=20
after working a coupkle of days with faderworks<BR>&gt;&gt;I don't =
know how=20
could I work (mix) before in Paris !<BR>&gt;&gt;Amazing..<BR>&gt;&gt;I =
have=20
put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.<BR>&gt;&gt;I =
group=20
all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars,=20
el.guitars,<BR>&gt;&gt;back. vocals, strings, pads, =
etc.<BR>&gt;&gt;Now=20
pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you here=20
only<BR>&gt;&gt;the group it belongs too, or mute !! the =
group.<BR>&gt;&gt;I=20
also use the latency compensator.<BR>&gt;&gt;Putting an waves rvox I =
type 64=20
and all faderworks go up to 64.<BR>&gt;&gt;Putting a rchannel from =
waves on=20
snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 and<BR>&gt;all<BR>&gt;&gt;others go =
up just=20
one sample to 65 !!<BR>&gt;&gt;fantastic.<BR>&gt;&gt;I encourage all =
that you=20
bought it, USE IT.<BR>&gt;&gt;You can ask me anything by the way if =
someone=20
has some questions with=20
it.<BR>&gt;&gt;Regards,<BR>&gt;&gt;Dimitrios <BR>&gt;<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Re: Faderworks is just AMAZING ! [message #79412 is a reply to message #79410] Fri, 02 February 2007 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pauln[1] is currently offline  Pauln[1]
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Sweet! Thanks Dimitrios. Do you or anyone else happen to have them for the
EDS effects. Is there any latency other than lookahead values?

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Here is the waves latency table.
>On my Paris rig Ultrapitch is 8192 latent !
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>Native Latency Table
> Plug-In Latency Time [KHz]
> 44.1 96
> measured in Samples
>C1 comp / gate 340 720
>C1 comp side ch 340 720
>C4 64 128
>L1 64 128
>L2 64 128
>L3 3528 7680
>LinEq BroadBand 2679 5360
>LinEq LowBand 2047 4095
>Lin Mb 3528 7680
>Morphoder 639 1279
>Rchannel 65 129
>Rcomp 64 128
>RdeEsser 64 128
>Rvox 64 128
>Sound Shifter 6946 13858
>Trans X 64 128
>Ultra Pitch 8239 not supported
>X-Click 2625 not supported
>X-Crackle 2625 not supported
>X-Noise 5120 5120
>
>
> 44.1 96
>
>For TDM add 3 for each Plug-In except for the UltraPitch !!!
>For HTDM add 1028 samples for each Plug-In.
>
>
>
>
>"PaulN" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>Is there a list of plugin latencies somewhere?
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>> would like to note here that after working a coupkle of days with faderworks
>>>I don't know how could I work (mix) before in Paris !
>>>Amazing..
>>>I have put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.
>>>I group all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars, el.guitars,
>>>back. vocals, strings, pads, etc.
>>>Now pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you here
only
>>>the group it belongs too, or mute !! the group.
>>>I also use the latency compensator.
>>>Putting an waves rvox I type 64 and all faderworks go up to 64.
>>>Putting a rchannel from waves on snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 and
>>all
>>>others go up just one sample to 65 !!
>>>fantastic.
>>>I encourage all that you bought it, USE IT.
>>>You can ask me anything by the way if someone has some questions with
it.
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>
>
Re: Faderworks is just AMAZING ! [message #79414 is a reply to message #79412] Fri, 02 February 2007 12:29 Go to previous message
Dimitrios is currently offline  Dimitrios   
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Nolimit as ALL eds plugins with no lookahead 2 samples.
Nolimit 0.001=50 samples
EDS/GATE 0.001=47 samples
0.002=93 samples
0.003=139 samples
0.004=184 samples
0.005=230 samples

Auxes also 2 samples
submxix 1 to submix 2 beetween 10-14 samples (mine has 12 samples)
Submixes thereafter are 2 samples.

Regards,
Dimitrios

"PaulN" <Paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Sweet! Thanks Dimitrios. Do you or anyone else happen to have them for
the
>EDS effects. Is there any latency other than lookahead values?
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Here is the waves latency table.
>>On my Paris rig Ultrapitch is 8192 latent !
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>Native Latency Table
>> Plug-In Latency Time [KHz]
>> 44.1 96
>> measured in Samples
>>C1 comp / gate 340 720
>>C1 comp side ch 340 720
>>C4 64 128
>>L1 64 128
>>L2 64 128
>>L3 3528 7680
>>LinEq BroadBand 2679 5360
>>LinEq LowBand 2047 4095
>>Lin Mb 3528 7680
>>Morphoder 639 1279
>>Rchannel 65 129
>>Rcomp 64 128
>>RdeEsser 64 128
>>Rvox 64 128
>>Sound Shifter 6946 13858
>>Trans X 64 128
>>Ultra Pitch 8239 not supported
>>X-Click 2625 not supported
>>X-Crackle 2625 not supported
>>X-Noise 5120 5120
>>
>>
>> 44.1 96
>>
>>For TDM add 3 for each Plug-In except for the UltraPitch !!!
>>For HTDM add 1028 samples for each Plug-In.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"PaulN" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Is there a list of plugin latencies somewhere?
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>> would like to note here that after working a coupkle of days with faderworks
>>>>I don't know how could I work (mix) before in Paris !
>>>>Amazing..
>>>>I have put 64 instances along 4 eds cards as a standard preset.
>>>>I group all the instruments accordingly, drums, perc, ac.guitars, el.guitars,
>>>>back. vocals, strings, pads, etc.
>>>>Now pushing solo on a faderworks instance on any audio track you here
>only
>>>>the group it belongs too, or mute !! the group.
>>>>I also use the latency compensator.
>>>>Putting an waves rvox I type 64 and all faderworks go up to 64.
>>>>Putting a rchannel from waves on snare it needs a 65 , so I type 65 and
>>>all
>>>>others go up just one sample to 65 !!
>>>>fantastic.
>>>>I encourage all that you bought it, USE IT.
>>>>You can ask me anything by the way if someone has some questions with
>it.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>
>
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