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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63140 is a reply to message #63136] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 06:56   |
TCB
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The Variax does that? Can you choose different tunings or are you stuck to
some presets. I'd never even considered one of those, but if it can do that
I might take a serious look.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>Hi Steve,
>
>I met these guys a number of years back (they're from Colorado). It
>works, it's cool, and it's not (last I checked) particularly cheap.
>
>Another fun toy is the Line6 Variax, which lets you go to alternate
>tunings instantly using DSP transposition on each string rather than
>actual string detuning. I currently use the acoustic verson, and it
>works pretty well if you don't go too far. It doesn't tune itself,
>though, you have to keep it in (normal) tune.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>steve the artguy wrote:
>> guys-
>>
>> a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new Les
Paul
>> just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>
>> ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>
>> -steve
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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63148 is a reply to message #63140] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 09:33 |
Mark McDermott
Messages: 204
Registered: February 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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The only problem I saw with the acoustic version is that you "hear" the guitar
acoustically in standard tuning. Not so much of a problem with the electric
Variax's but definitely something that could take time to get used to with
the acoustic version. Heaedphones might help a lot.
Have a great day!
Mark
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>The Variax does that? Can you choose different tunings or are you stuck
to
>some presets. I'd never even considered one of those, but if it can do that
>I might take a serious look.
>
>TCB
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>>Hi Steve,
>>
>>I met these guys a number of years back (they're from Colorado). It
>>works, it's cool, and it's not (last I checked) particularly cheap.
>>
>>Another fun toy is the Line6 Variax, which lets you go to alternate
>>tunings instantly using DSP transposition on each string rather than
>>actual string detuning. I currently use the acoustic verson, and it
>>works pretty well if you don't go too far. It doesn't tune itself,
>>though, you have to keep it in (normal) tune.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>> guys-
>>>
>>> a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new Les
>Paul
>>> just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>>
>>> ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>>
>>> -steve
>
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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63152 is a reply to message #63140] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 08:54 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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I'm pretty sure you can store your own tunings with the PC software program
for the Variax. The editing software also lets you do all sorts of weird
stuff, like put four single coil pickups on an ES-335 and rotate two of them
and put one on the fretboard, etc. Basically you can build Frankenguitars
with weird combos and placement of parts. The keyboard/rhythm guitar player
in my band just bought one, and I have to say it's much cooler than I
thought it'd be.
Tony
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43cba60a$1@linux...
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> The Variax does that? Can you choose different tunings or are you stuck
> to
> some presets. I'd never even considered one of those, but if it can do
> that
> I might take a serious look.
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Steve,
>>
>>I met these guys a number of years back (they're from Colorado). It
>>works, it's cool, and it's not (last I checked) particularly cheap.
>>
>>Another fun toy is the Line6 Variax, which lets you go to alternate
>>tunings instantly using DSP transposition on each string rather than
>>actual string detuning. I currently use the acoustic verson, and it
>>works pretty well if you don't go too far. It doesn't tune itself,
>>though, you have to keep it in (normal) tune.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>> guys-
>>>
>>> a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new Les
> Paul
>>> just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>>
>>> ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>>
>>> -steve
>
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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63158 is a reply to message #63152] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 10:17 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Hmmmmmmm, I use a LOT of alternate tunings when I track (and capos) guitar
parts and usually just give up on them live. This might be a necessary purchase
now that I'm once again a middle class man of means.
TCB
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>I'm pretty sure you can store your own tunings with the PC software program
>for the Variax. The editing software also lets you do all sorts of weird
>stuff, like put four single coil pickups on an ES-335 and rotate two of
them
>and put one on the fretboard, etc. Basically you can build Frankenguitars
>with weird combos and placement of parts. The keyboard/rhythm guitar player
>in my band just bought one, and I have to say it's much cooler than I
>thought it'd be.
>
>Tony
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43cba60a$1@linux...
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>> The Variax does that? Can you choose different tunings or are you stuck
>> to
>> some presets. I'd never even considered one of those, but if it can do
>> that
>> I might take a serious look.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Steve,
>>>
>>>I met these guys a number of years back (they're from Colorado). It
>>>works, it's cool, and it's not (last I checked) particularly cheap.
>>>
>>>Another fun toy is the Line6 Variax, which lets you go to alternate
>>>tunings instantly using DSP transposition on each string rather than
>>>actual string detuning. I currently use the acoustic verson, and it
>>>works pretty well if you don't go too far. It doesn't tune itself,
>>>though, you have to keep it in (normal) tune.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>>> guys-
>>>>
>>>> a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new
Les
>> Paul
>>>> just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>>>
>>>> ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>>>
>>>> -steve
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63161 is a reply to message #63158] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 09:40 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Thad,
Here's my bandmate Doug Dixon's email:
doug at mindsearstudio dot com
I'm sure he'd be glad to answer any questions you have about the variax.
He's still learning, but at least he could give you an idea of what he
thinks about the features, etc.
Tony
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43cbd514$1@linux...
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> Hmmmmmmm, I use a LOT of alternate tunings when I track (and capos) guitar
> parts and usually just give up on them live. This might be a necessary
> purchase
> now that I'm once again a middle class man of means.
>
> TCB
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>I'm pretty sure you can store your own tunings with the PC software
>>program
>
>>for the Variax. The editing software also lets you do all sorts of weird
>
>>stuff, like put four single coil pickups on an ES-335 and rotate two of
> them
>>and put one on the fretboard, etc. Basically you can build Frankenguitars
>
>>with weird combos and placement of parts. The keyboard/rhythm guitar
>>player
>
>>in my band just bought one, and I have to say it's much cooler than I
>>thought it'd be.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43cba60a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The Variax does that? Can you choose different tunings or are you stuck
>
>>> to
>>> some presets. I'd never even considered one of those, but if it can do
>
>>> that
>>> I might take a serious look.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>>I met these guys a number of years back (they're from Colorado). It
>>>>works, it's cool, and it's not (last I checked) particularly cheap.
>>>>
>>>>Another fun toy is the Line6 Variax, which lets you go to alternate
>>>>tunings instantly using DSP transposition on each string rather than
>>>>actual string detuning. I currently use the acoustic verson, and it
>>>>works pretty well if you don't go too far. It doesn't tune itself,
>>>>though, you have to keep it in (normal) tune.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>>>> guys-
>>>>>
>>>>> a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new
> Les
>>> Paul
>>>>> just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> -steve
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63163 is a reply to message #63158] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 10:19 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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When I auditioned the Variax 500, 300 and 700 electrics I liked some of
the electrics (haven't had the chance to try a 600 but should sound much
the same as those). The acoustics emulations were OK - not great but at
least one was useable for live, probably wouldn't record with it.
They've recently updated the firmware so it's probably worth a listen
again. I haven't bought one of these although I'm tempted periodically.
Wish they offered a 24 fret neck.
When I auditioned the Variax 700 Acoustic version (which is a completely
different guitar from the 700 electric, poor model numbering choice on
Line 6's part) I thought it sounded much better for acoustic emulation.
It doesn't do electric models, just acoustic guitars and some other fun
stuff like sitar and banjo. Good enough to record with if you don't mind
mono. Good enough that I bought one for solo shows and recording. This
one even has 24 frets on the top strings, rare for an acoustic.
The 500-600-700 electric versions can be detuned if you buy Line 6's
Workbench software, edit from there and store your changes on the guitar
for later recall.
The 700 acoustic version can be detuned using its onboard controls, no
software needed.
In either case you can set up whatever alternative tunings you like.
Because they are done via DSP, small changes are generally usable.
Bigger changes are usually OK in a mix but you may hear some warble on
the decay.
BTW, both the electric and acoustic versions can be controlled from the
XTLive to switch amps, FX and guitar model together via footswitch, if
you use their special ethernet-style cable.
If you have XTLive you can use Workbench for free (downloadable),
otherwise you have to buy Workbench to get a special computer-to-guitar
hardware interface.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> Hmmmmmmm, I use a LOT of alternate tunings when I track (and capos) guitar
> parts and usually just give up on them live. This might be a necessary purchase
> now that I'm once again a middle class man of means.
>
> TCB
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm pretty sure you can store your own tunings with the PC software program
>
>
>>for the Variax. The editing software also lets you do all sorts of weird
>
>
>>stuff, like put four single coil pickups on an ES-335 and rotate two of
>
> them
>
>>and put one on the fretboard, etc. Basically you can build Frankenguitars
>
>
>>with weird combos and placement of parts. The keyboard/rhythm guitar player
>
>
>>in my band just bought one, and I have to say it's much cooler than I
>>thought it'd be.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43cba60a$1@linux...
>>
>>>The Variax does that? Can you choose different tunings or are you stuck
>
>
>>>to
>>>some presets. I'd never even considered one of those, but if it can do
>
>
>>>that
>>>I might take a serious look.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>>I met these guys a number of years back (they're from Colorado). It
>>>>works, it's cool, and it's not (last I checked) particularly cheap.
>>>>
>>>>Another fun toy is the Line6 Variax, which lets you go to alternate
>>>>tunings instantly using DSP transposition on each string rather than
>>>>actual string detuning. I currently use the acoustic verson, and it
>>>>works pretty well if you don't go too far. It doesn't tune itself,
>>>>though, you have to keep it in (normal) tune.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>guys-
>>>>>
>>>>>a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new
>
> Les
>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>>>just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>>>>
>>>>>ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>-steve
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63164 is a reply to message #63148] |
Mon, 16 January 2006 10:23 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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The Acoustic version is not nearly as loud as a normal acoustic guitar.
But Mark is right that when recording alt tunings in a quiet studio,
headphones are helpful.
On stage it hasn't been a problem. The sound of the strings in the air
has been too soft to matter. The acoustic sound through the PA, detuned
or not, is very good.
When not plugged in it makes a nice late-night practice guitar because
it's so soft you can play without waking someone in the next room. Close
the door, though.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Mark McDermott wrote:
> The only problem I saw with the acoustic version is that you "hear" the guitar
> acoustically in standard tuning. Not so much of a problem with the electric
> Variax's but definitely something that could take time to get used to with
> the acoustic version. Heaedphones might help a lot.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Mark
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>The Variax does that? Can you choose different tunings or are you stuck
>
> to
>
>>some presets. I'd never even considered one of those, but if it can do that
>>I might take a serious look.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Steve,
>>>
>>>I met these guys a number of years back (they're from Colorado). It
>>>works, it's cool, and it's not (last I checked) particularly cheap.
>>>
>>>Another fun toy is the Line6 Variax, which lets you go to alternate
>>>tunings instantly using DSP transposition on each string rather than
>>>actual string detuning. I currently use the acoustic verson, and it
>>>works pretty well if you don't go too far. It doesn't tune itself,
>>>though, you have to keep it in (normal) tune.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>>
>>>>guys-
>>>>
>>>>a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new Les
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>>>just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>>>
>>>>ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>>>
>>>>-steve
>>
>
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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63257 is a reply to message #63215] |
Tue, 17 January 2006 14:41 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
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Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>According to this article (http://www.gizmag.com/go/4951/) current
>price is about $3000. I sure would love one, but it would be kinda
>hard for me to explain to the missus why I have a $3000 tuner on a
>$100 Squier Strat!
>
>- Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
Paul-
At the url it says it's about $2300 for a Les Paul-like guitar, and $2800
or so for a Strat-type. I think. Something like that. Plus it takes 6-8 weeks
for them to install it.
If one were onstage, everyday, playing for big money, it would make sense
to have one just to stay in tune. The list of players who have bought into
it is pretty darned extensive. The first client was Jimmy Page, and they
have a long audio interview with him about it.
I can't say as I'm anxious to spring for anything like this myself...
I did see someone with a Variax the other day, and it was almost cool enough
to get. Almost.
-steve
>
>On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:10:55 -0800, TC
><tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>
>>I saw a clinic on this about 10 years ago. At that time there were 2 in
existence,
>and the price was 100k each.
>>
>>I wonder what they are priced at now..
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>TC
>>
>>
>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>> guys-
>>>
>>> a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new Les
Paul
>>> just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>>
>>> ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>>
>>> -steve
>
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| Re: OT - guitar players out there (you know who you are) [message #63267 is a reply to message #63257] |
Tue, 17 January 2006 17:01 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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"steve the artguy" <artguy@svnhoohaa.net> wrote:
>
>Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>According to this article (http://www.gizmag.com/go/4951/) current
>>price is about $3000. I sure would love one, but it would be kinda
>>hard for me to explain to the missus why I have a $3000 tuner on a
>>$100 Squier Strat!
>>
>>- Paul Artola
>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>
>
>Paul-
>
>At the url it says it's about $2300 for a Les Paul-like guitar, and $2800
>or so for a Strat-type. I think. Something like that. Plus it takes 6-8
weeks
>for them to install it.
>
>If one were onstage, everyday, playing for big money, it would make sense
>to have one just to stay in tune. The list of players who have bought into
>it is pretty darned extensive. The first client was Jimmy Page, and they
>have a long audio interview with him about it.
Which is funny, or appropriate, depending on how one looks at it. Page was
woefully out of tune on so many 70's life shows I've heard (I'm not a big
Zep fan, but once had a drummer who was) it's too bad he didn't have one
of these earlier.
TCB
>I can't say as I'm anxious to spring for anything like this myself...
>
>I did see someone with a Variax the other day, and it was almost cool enough
>to get. Almost.
>
>-steve
>
>
>>
>>On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:10:55 -0800, TC
>><tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>>
>>>I saw a clinic on this about 10 years ago. At that time there were 2 in
>existence,
>>and the price was 100k each.
>>>
>>>I wonder what they are priced at now..
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>TC
>>>
>>>
>>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>>> guys-
>>>>
>>>> a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new
Les
>Paul
>>>> just to have one of these. Check it out.
>>>>
>>>> ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>>>>
>>>> -steve
>>
>
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