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Is Paris DSP architecture based on analog modelling? [message #66330] Fri, 07 April 2006 20:28 Go to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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Registered: January 2006
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I'm experimenting (some more) with using SX as a standalone host for UAD-1
plugins. One wall I'm hitting here that isn't problematic when hosting the
audio tracks in Cubase SX and then streaming the tracks from SXx into Paris
with the UAD-1 plugs on SX tracks is that when sending a *hot* Paris track
directly over ADAT to a channel in SX and routing it through a UAD-1 plugin
on an SX insert and returning it over ADAT to Paris is that it's clipping
the UAD-1 plugin. Lowering the fader on the SX mono input channel or
reducing the level of the audiio being sent from Paris to the SX channel
(pretty much the same thing, but somethow a bit different sounding
sonically) mitigates the clipping (this makes sense-it's clipping the UAD-1
input). Well.....this is OK, makeup gain is available at the comp or at the
Cubase output channel.

Almost too many options to deal with here.

What never ceases to amaze is how, once this Paris signal is into the SX
architecture and past the clipping stage, how much processing and makeup
gain can be applied and how well Paris handles the super hot signal being
returned to the Paris channed via the insert..

As we all know by now.....this is the secret sauce. It just doesn't make any
sense. I wonder if we've got the first and only *modelling DAW*. I recall
seeing a picture of SSC sitting in front of a heavily modified Midas console
in his personal studio.

Is this what we're hearing?




Thanks

Deej
Re: Is Paris DSP architecture based on analog modelling? [message #66383 is a reply to message #66330] Sun, 09 April 2006 05:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cujjo is currently offline  Cujjo   
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Well there are things I wish paris could do, but this weekend I had a lightning
session recording my band for an upcoming Clash tribute CD. It was a decide
the direction/learn the song/set up mics/record day all in one day, anyway
A/Bing our sounds to the CD (which is one of the later Clash things so a
decent recording) I really do admit to thinking how "analog" what we got.
Smooth, Punchy and funky.
What I do still fret about is the Paris bounced file..is it really what we
hear while mixing?



"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm experimenting (some more) with using SX as a standalone host for UAD-1
>plugins. One wall I'm hitting here that isn't problematic when hosting the
>audio tracks in Cubase SX and then streaming the tracks from SXx into Paris
>with the UAD-1 plugs on SX tracks is that when sending a *hot* Paris track
>directly over ADAT to a channel in SX and routing it through a UAD-1 plugin
>on an SX insert and returning it over ADAT to Paris is that it's clipping
>the UAD-1 plugin. Lowering the fader on the SX mono input channel or
>reducing the level of the audiio being sent from Paris to the SX channel
>(pretty much the same thing, but somethow a bit different sounding
>sonically) mitigates the clipping (this makes sense-it's clipping the UAD-1
>input). Well.....this is OK, makeup gain is available at the comp or at
the
>Cubase output channel.
>
>Almost too many options to deal with here.
>
>What never ceases to amaze is how, once this Paris signal is into the SX
>architecture and past the clipping stage, how much processing and makeup
>gain can be applied and how well Paris handles the super hot signal being
>returned to the Paris channed via the insert..
>
>As we all know by now.....this is the secret sauce. It just doesn't make
any
>sense. I wonder if we've got the first and only *modelling DAW*. I recall
>seeing a picture of SSC sitting in front of a heavily modified Midas console
>in his personal studio.
>
>Is this what we're hearing?
>
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Deej
>
>
Re: Is Paris DSP architecture based on analog modelling? [message #66403 is a reply to message #66330] Sun, 09 April 2006 16:54 Go to previous message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
Senior Member
I've been racking my brain trying to remember more, but can't...

What I do seem to remember is that I'm sure this has been suggested before...
that the sound was based on a particular console, but I'm not sure if there's
any truth to it. I can just remember talk of it previously, but it's a very
vague memory... can't remember who or where... doh!

I do however think there is some truth to the general analog modelling idea,
in terms of the paris DSP chips. I mean they have 4 overflow bits for starters.
I've never heard a proper run down of how the four overflow bits function,
(Chuck did explain some of it, but not all) but it seems clear to me that
it obviously influences the sound you're going to get once you go past the
zero point. Of course these chips go back to well before Paris. I think the
ASR keyboards may have been the first to have them. Whether *they* were modelled
off a given peice of gear is another question.

They certainly were designed with audio in mind, as opposed to mathematics.

Cheers,
Kim.

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm experimenting (some more) with using SX as a standalone host for UAD-1
>plugins. One wall I'm hitting here that isn't problematic when hosting the
>audio tracks in Cubase SX and then streaming the tracks from SXx into Paris
>with the UAD-1 plugs on SX tracks is that when sending a *hot* Paris track
>directly over ADAT to a channel in SX and routing it through a UAD-1 plugin
>on an SX insert and returning it over ADAT to Paris is that it's clipping
>the UAD-1 plugin. Lowering the fader on the SX mono input channel or
>reducing the level of the audiio being sent from Paris to the SX channel
>(pretty much the same thing, but somethow a bit different sounding
>sonically) mitigates the clipping (this makes sense-it's clipping the UAD-1
>input). Well.....this is OK, makeup gain is available at the comp or at
the
>Cubase output channel.
>
>Almost too many options to deal with here.
>
>What never ceases to amaze is how, once this Paris signal is into the SX
>architecture and past the clipping stage, how much processing and makeup
>gain can be applied and how well Paris handles the super hot signal being
>returned to the Paris channed via the insert..
>
>As we all know by now.....this is the secret sauce. It just doesn't make
any
>sense. I wonder if we've got the first and only *modelling DAW*. I recall
>seeing a picture of SSC sitting in front of a heavily modified Midas console
>in his personal studio.
>
>Is this what we're hearing?
>
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Deej
>
>
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