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| Cold weather and microphones, and a general explanation for people answering some of my questions [message #92533] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 11:46  |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Greetings Parisians!
I realize I've been asking a lot of questions lately, but let me explain
a few things before the next one. First, my own home studio is quite nice.
I have a very fast computer, tons of great software, RME converters, a Creamware
SCOPE Pro card, the Focusrite Liquid Mix, a Prophet 10, scads of guitars,
even some nice outboard effects. My Adam A7 monitors are on high quality
stands exactly equidistant from both my perky little ears and the subwoofer
I got with them. I have pretty clean power (paid an electrician out of pocket
to do what he could to get the circuit my gear runs off of in the best shape
possible for an apartment dweller), I use short, high quality cable runs
and have done both formal and informal (move the couch) room treatment so
I'm confident it's about as good as the room can be. Even my turntables are
Technics 1200 MkIIs, my DJ mixer is top notch, and the leather office chair
with casters on it is comfy as all hell.
However, most of the questions I'm asking are about the space where I'm recording
the Monkies. This 'studio' happens to also be our 'practice space' which
is a very nice way to say it's a storage room off of a three car garage in
suburban CT. The owner of said garage is the bassist and one of the songwriters
in the band. We've done some things to the room to try to improve its acoustics
a bit but it's small, rectangular, with low ceilings, and occasionally just
a nightmare. Said owner also has three children and a mortgage and thus a
very limited budget for audio equipment/upgrades. Thus we are tracking to
Cubase SX 2.something on a Mac G4 that is so old I think it has tubes in
it, and not for sonic effect. The monitors are so horrifically bad I won't
even tell you what they are and they're stuffed into corners about seven
feet from the 'mix position' which is a polite way to say 'where you stand
in front of the computer.' I brought out my KRK V6s that I use as my 'let's
see what this will sound like on a boom box' speakers and put them about
18 inches apart on another table to give myself half a chance of monitoring.
Until I scrounged up a flat panel monitor we had to turn the gigantic 17"
Apple CRT monitor off when we were recording guitars to keep noise/hum under
control. On top of all of this, two of his kids are teenage boys who play
in more than one band and might break nearly anything I leave there that
can possibly be broken.
So then, when I ask something like 'is it OK to use an 828 to monitor' I'm
asking that within the context of degrading my own home setup if I want to
use something else, risking teenage related breakage, and a setup already
with a number of fairly week links already in the various chains. I don't
need to be told what's ideal, I know that answer, I just want to find out
if people have any real world experience.
Moving on to my actual question. One thing I've done to safeguard my gear
against punk rock related damage is this; the owner and I put a hasp and
a padlock on a cabinet in the garage where I've been storing my mics/pres/snakes/Moog
pedals/Peterson Strobostomp/etc. Now then, this garage should never actually
freeze, but it's getting colder and colder here in the great Northeast, and
the garage is getting colder as well. How cold can a mic get before it's
a problem, and how long--if at all--do I need to wait to let a mic warm up
before turning it on and giving it phantom power? What if we get a really
bad cold snap and the temp does get below freezing? That sounds bad to me,
even if it's just condensation as the mics thaw.
I know these are real 'ghetto recording' questions and I'll be happy when
I can be back in my room mixing and sipping wine and talking to my cats.
But I still need to ask, it's what we'll have to deal with.
Thanks,
TCB
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| Re: Cold weather and microphones, and a general explanation for peopleanswering some of my questions [message #92535 is a reply to message #92533] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 11:07  |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Ok, I read it... ;-)
Your main concern here is "condesation". When something really cold is
exposed to warmer air, you get condensation on, and in, said item. This
can be hazardous for electronics. I would recommend at least 45 minutes
to allow for the condensation to dissapate... even longer if the region
is prone to high humidity in cold temps.
David.
TCB wrote:
> Greetings Parisians!
>
> I realize I've been asking a lot of questions lately, but let me explain
> a few things before the next one. First, my own home studio is quite nice.
> I have a very fast computer, tons of great software, RME converters, a Creamware
> SCOPE Pro card, the Focusrite Liquid Mix, a Prophet 10, scads of guitars,
> even some nice outboard effects. My Adam A7 monitors are on high quality
> stands exactly equidistant from both my perky little ears and the subwoofer
> I got with them. I have pretty clean power (paid an electrician out of pocket
> to do what he could to get the circuit my gear runs off of in the best shape
> possible for an apartment dweller), I use short, high quality cable runs
> and have done both formal and informal (move the couch) room treatment so
> I'm confident it's about as good as the room can be. Even my turntables are
> Technics 1200 MkIIs, my DJ mixer is top notch, and the leather office chair
> with casters on it is comfy as all hell.
>
> However, most of the questions I'm asking are about the space where I'm recording
> the Monkies. This 'studio' happens to also be our 'practice space' which
> is a very nice way to say it's a storage room off of a three car garage in
> suburban CT. The owner of said garage is the bassist and one of the songwriters
> in the band. We've done some things to the room to try to improve its acoustics
> a bit but it's small, rectangular, with low ceilings, and occasionally just
> a nightmare. Said owner also has three children and a mortgage and thus a
> very limited budget for audio equipment/upgrades. Thus we are tracking to
> Cubase SX 2.something on a Mac G4 that is so old I think it has tubes in
> it, and not for sonic effect. The monitors are so horrifically bad I won't
> even tell you what they are and they're stuffed into corners about seven
> feet from the 'mix position' which is a polite way to say 'where you stand
> in front of the computer.' I brought out my KRK V6s that I use as my 'let's
> see what this will sound like on a boom box' speakers and put them about
> 18 inches apart on another table to give myself half a chance of monitoring.
> Until I scrounged up a flat panel monitor we had to turn the gigantic 17"
> Apple CRT monitor off when we were recording guitars to keep noise/hum under
> control. On top of all of this, two of his kids are teenage boys who play
> in more than one band and might break nearly anything I leave there that
> can possibly be broken.
>
> So then, when I ask something like 'is it OK to use an 828 to monitor' I'm
> asking that within the context of degrading my own home setup if I want to
> use something else, risking teenage related breakage, and a setup already
> with a number of fairly week links already in the various chains. I don't
> need to be told what's ideal, I know that answer, I just want to find out
> if people have any real world experience.
>
> Moving on to my actual question. One thing I've done to safeguard my gear
> against punk rock related damage is this; the owner and I put a hasp and
> a padlock on a cabinet in the garage where I've been storing my mics/pres/snakes/Moog
> pedals/Peterson Strobostomp/etc. Now then, this garage should never actually
> freeze, but it's getting colder and colder here in the great Northeast, and
> the garage is getting colder as well. How cold can a mic get before it's
> a problem, and how long--if at all--do I need to wait to let a mic warm up
> before turning it on and giving it phantom power? What if we get a really
> bad cold snap and the temp does get below freezing? That sounds bad to me,
> even if it's just condensation as the mics thaw.
>
> I know these are real 'ghetto recording' questions and I'll be happy when
> I can be back in my room mixing and sipping wine and talking to my cats.
> But I still need to ask, it's what we'll have to deal with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> TCB
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| Re: Cold weather and microphones, and a general explanation for people [message #92538 is a reply to message #92535] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 15:10 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Great, that's about what I was guessing.
Thanks much,
TCB
EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>Ok, I read it... ;-)
>
>Your main concern here is "condesation". When something really cold is
>exposed to warmer air, you get condensation on, and in, said item. This
>can be hazardous for electronics. I would recommend at least 45 minutes
>to allow for the condensation to dissapate... even longer if the region
>is prone to high humidity in cold temps.
>
>David.
>
>TCB wrote:
>
>> Greetings Parisians!
>>
>> I realize I've been asking a lot of questions lately, but let me explain
>> a few things before the next one. First, my own home studio is quite nice.
>> I have a very fast computer, tons of great software, RME converters, a
Creamware
>> SCOPE Pro card, the Focusrite Liquid Mix, a Prophet 10, scads of guitars,
>> even some nice outboard effects. My Adam A7 monitors are on high quality
>> stands exactly equidistant from both my perky little ears and the subwoofer
>> I got with them. I have pretty clean power (paid an electrician out of
pocket
>> to do what he could to get the circuit my gear runs off of in the best
shape
>> possible for an apartment dweller), I use short, high quality cable runs
>> and have done both formal and informal (move the couch) room treatment
so
>> I'm confident it's about as good as the room can be. Even my turntables
are
>> Technics 1200 MkIIs, my DJ mixer is top notch, and the leather office
chair
>> with casters on it is comfy as all hell.
>>
>> However, most of the questions I'm asking are about the space where I'm
recording
>> the Monkies. This 'studio' happens to also be our 'practice space' which
>> is a very nice way to say it's a storage room off of a three car garage
in
>> suburban CT. The owner of said garage is the bassist and one of the songwriters
>> in the band. We've done some things to the room to try to improve its
acoustics
>> a bit but it's small, rectangular, with low ceilings, and occasionally
just
>> a nightmare. Said owner also has three children and a mortgage and thus
a
>> very limited budget for audio equipment/upgrades. Thus we are tracking
to
>> Cubase SX 2.something on a Mac G4 that is so old I think it has tubes
in
>> it, and not for sonic effect. The monitors are so horrifically bad I won't
>> even tell you what they are and they're stuffed into corners about seven
>> feet from the 'mix position' which is a polite way to say 'where you stand
>> in front of the computer.' I brought out my KRK V6s that I use as my 'let's
>> see what this will sound like on a boom box' speakers and put them about
>> 18 inches apart on another table to give myself half a chance of monitoring.
>> Until I scrounged up a flat panel monitor we had to turn the gigantic
17"
>> Apple CRT monitor off when we were recording guitars to keep noise/hum
under
>> control. On top of all of this, two of his kids are teenage boys who play
>> in more than one band and might break nearly anything I leave there that
>> can possibly be broken.
>>
>> So then, when I ask something like 'is it OK to use an 828 to monitor'
I'm
>> asking that within the context of degrading my own home setup if I want
to
>> use something else, risking teenage related breakage, and a setup already
>> with a number of fairly week links already in the various chains. I don't
>> need to be told what's ideal, I know that answer, I just want to find
out
>> if people have any real world experience.
>>
>> Moving on to my actual question. One thing I've done to safeguard my gear
>> against punk rock related damage is this; the owner and I put a hasp and
>> a padlock on a cabinet in the garage where I've been storing my mics/pres/snakes/Moog
>> pedals/Peterson Strobostomp/etc. Now then, this garage should never actually
>> freeze, but it's getting colder and colder here in the great Northeast,
and
>> the garage is getting colder as well. How cold can a mic get before it's
>> a problem, and how long--if at all--do I need to wait to let a mic warm
up
>> before turning it on and giving it phantom power? What if we get a really
>> bad cold snap and the temp does get below freezing? That sounds bad to
me,
>> even if it's just condensation as the mics thaw.
>>
>> I know these are real 'ghetto recording' questions and I'll be happy when
>> I can be back in my room mixing and sipping wine and talking to my cats.
>> But I still need to ask, it's what we'll have to deal with.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TCB
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| Re: Cold weather and microphones, and a general explanation for peopleanswering some of my questions [message #92539 is a reply to message #92535] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 14:05 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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BTW, sorry if this sounds a little condesending... I've been answering
e-mails all morning from "audio 2 year olds"... :-\
David.
EK Sound wrote:
> Ok, I read it... ;-)
>
> Your main concern here is "condensation". When something really cold is
> exposed to warmer air, you get condensation on, and in, said item. This
> can be hazardous for electronics. I would recommend at least 45 minutes
> to allow for the condensation to dissapate... even longer if the region
> is prone to high humidity in cold temps.
>
> David.
>
> TCB wrote:
>
>> Greetings Parisians!
>>
>> I realize I've been asking a lot of questions lately, but let me explain
>> a few things before the next one. First, my own home studio is quite
>> nice.
>> I have a very fast computer, tons of great software, RME converters, a
>> Creamware
>> SCOPE Pro card, the Focusrite Liquid Mix, a Prophet 10, scads of guitars,
>> even some nice outboard effects. My Adam A7 monitors are on high quality
>> stands exactly equidistant from both my perky little ears and the
>> subwoofer
>> I got with them. I have pretty clean power (paid an electrician out of
>> pocket
>> to do what he could to get the circuit my gear runs off of in the best
>> shape
>> possible for an apartment dweller), I use short, high quality cable runs
>> and have done both formal and informal (move the couch) room treatment so
>> I'm confident it's about as good as the room can be. Even my
>> turntables are
>> Technics 1200 MkIIs, my DJ mixer is top notch, and the leather office
>> chair
>> with casters on it is comfy as all hell.
>> However, most of the questions I'm asking are about the space where
>> I'm recording
>> the Monkies. This 'studio' happens to also be our 'practice space' which
>> is a very nice way to say it's a storage room off of a three car
>> garage in
>> suburban CT. The owner of said garage is the bassist and one of the
>> songwriters
>> in the band. We've done some things to the room to try to improve its
>> acoustics
>> a bit but it's small, rectangular, with low ceilings, and occasionally
>> just
>> a nightmare. Said owner also has three children and a mortgage and thus a
>> very limited budget for audio equipment/upgrades. Thus we are tracking to
>> Cubase SX 2.something on a Mac G4 that is so old I think it has tubes in
>> it, and not for sonic effect. The monitors are so horrifically bad I
>> won't
>> even tell you what they are and they're stuffed into corners about seven
>> feet from the 'mix position' which is a polite way to say 'where you
>> stand
>> in front of the computer.' I brought out my KRK V6s that I use as my
>> 'let's
>> see what this will sound like on a boom box' speakers and put them about
>> 18 inches apart on another table to give myself half a chance of
>> monitoring.
>> Until I scrounged up a flat panel monitor we had to turn the gigantic 17"
>> Apple CRT monitor off when we were recording guitars to keep noise/hum
>> under
>> control. On top of all of this, two of his kids are teenage boys who play
>> in more than one band and might break nearly anything I leave there that
>> can possibly be broken.
>> So then, when I ask something like 'is it OK to use an 828 to monitor'
>> I'm
>> asking that within the context of degrading my own home setup if I
>> want to
>> use something else, risking teenage related breakage, and a setup already
>> with a number of fairly week links already in the various chains. I don't
>> need to be told what's ideal, I know that answer, I just want to find out
>> if people have any real world experience.
>> Moving on to my actual question. One thing I've done to safeguard my gear
>> against punk rock related damage is this; the owner and I put a hasp and
>> a padlock on a cabinet in the garage where I've been storing my
>> mics/pres/snakes/Moog
>> pedals/Peterson Strobostomp/etc. Now then, this garage should never
>> actually
>> freeze, but it's getting colder and colder here in the great
>> Northeast, and
>> the garage is getting colder as well. How cold can a mic get before it's
>> a problem, and how long--if at all--do I need to wait to let a mic
>> warm up
>> before turning it on and giving it phantom power? What if we get a really
>> bad cold snap and the temp does get below freezing? That sounds bad to
>> me,
>> even if it's just condensation as the mics thaw.
>> I know these are real 'ghetto recording' questions and I'll be happy when
>> I can be back in my room mixing and sipping wine and talking to my cats.
>> But I still need to ask, it's what we'll have to deal with.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TCB
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| Re: Cold weather and microphones, and a general explanation for peopleanswering some of my questions [message #92540 is a reply to message #92533] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 14:42 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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OK, I *guess* your shit is good enough for me to continue reading your
posts, but don't start asking questions like, "is it OK to use
electrical cable for speaker wire" or you're fucking banned, man.
TCB wrote:
> Greetings Parisians!
>
> I realize I've been asking a lot of questions lately, but let me explain
> a few things before the next one. First, my own home studio is quite nice.
> I have a very fast computer, tons of great software, RME converters, a Creamware
> SCOPE Pro card, the Focusrite Liquid Mix, a Prophet 10, scads of guitars,
> even some nice outboard effects. My Adam A7 monitors are on high quality
> stands exactly equidistant from both my perky little ears and the subwoofer
> I got with them. I have pretty clean power (paid an electrician out of pocket
> to do what he could to get the circuit my gear runs off of in the best shape
> possible for an apartment dweller), I use short, high quality cable runs
> and have done both formal and informal (move the couch) room treatment so
> I'm confident it's about as good as the room can be. Even my turntables are
> Technics 1200 MkIIs, my DJ mixer is top notch, and the leather office chair
> with casters on it is comfy as all hell.
>
> However, most of the questions I'm asking are about the space where I'm recording
> the Monkies. This 'studio' happens to also be our 'practice space' which
> is a very nice way to say it's a storage room off of a three car garage in
> suburban CT. The owner of said garage is the bassist and one of the songwriters
> in the band. We've done some things to the room to try to improve its acoustics
> a bit but it's small, rectangular, with low ceilings, and occasionally just
> a nightmare. Said owner also has three children and a mortgage and thus a
> very limited budget for audio equipment/upgrades. Thus we are tracking to
> Cubase SX 2.something on a Mac G4 that is so old I think it has tubes in
> it, and not for sonic effect. The monitors are so horrifically bad I won't
> even tell you what they are and they're stuffed into corners about seven
> feet from the 'mix position' which is a polite way to say 'where you stand
> in front of the computer.' I brought out my KRK V6s that I use as my 'let's
> see what this will sound like on a boom box' speakers and put them about
> 18 inches apart on another table to give myself half a chance of monitoring.
> Until I scrounged up a flat panel monitor we had to turn the gigantic 17"
> Apple CRT monitor off when we were recording guitars to keep noise/hum under
> control. On top of all of this, two of his kids are teenage boys who play
> in more than one band and might break nearly anything I leave there that
> can possibly be broken.
>
> So then, when I ask something like 'is it OK to use an 828 to monitor' I'm
> asking that within the context of degrading my own home setup if I want to
> use something else, risking teenage related breakage, and a setup already
> with a number of fairly week links already in the various chains. I don't
> need to be told what's ideal, I know that answer, I just want to find out
> if people have any real world experience.
>
> Moving on to my actual question. One thing I've done to safeguard my gear
> against punk rock related damage is this; the owner and I put a hasp and
> a padlock on a cabinet in the garage where I've been storing my mics/pres/snakes/Moog
> pedals/Peterson Strobostomp/etc. Now then, this garage should never actually
> freeze, but it's getting colder and colder here in the great Northeast, and
> the garage is getting colder as well. How cold can a mic get before it's
> a problem, and how long--if at all--do I need to wait to let a mic warm up
> before turning it on and giving it phantom power? What if we get a really
> bad cold snap and the temp does get below freezing? That sounds bad to me,
> even if it's just condensation as the mics thaw.
>
> I know these are real 'ghetto recording' questions and I'll be happy when
> I can be back in my room mixing and sipping wine and talking to my cats.
> But I still need to ask, it's what we'll have to deal with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> TCB
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| Re: Cold weather and microphones, and a general explanation for people answering some of my question [message #92547 is a reply to message #92540] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 18:26 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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Thad,
I'd take the mics home with me. They're not heavy and perishable.
Tom
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message =
news:47339203$1@linux...
OK, I *guess* your shit is good enough for me to continue reading your =
posts, but don't start asking questions like, "is it OK to use=20
electrical cable for speaker wire" or you're fucking banned, man.
TCB wrote:
> Greetings Parisians!
>=20
> I realize I've been asking a lot of questions lately, but let me =
explain
> a few things before the next one. First, my own home studio is quite =
nice.
> I have a very fast computer, tons of great software, RME converters, =
a Creamware
> SCOPE Pro card, the Focusrite Liquid Mix, a Prophet 10, scads of =
guitars,
> even some nice outboard effects. My Adam A7 monitors are on high =
quality
> stands exactly equidistant from both my perky little ears and the =
subwoofer
> I got with them. I have pretty clean power (paid an electrician out =
of pocket
> to do what he could to get the circuit my gear runs off of in the =
best shape
> possible for an apartment dweller), I use short, high quality cable =
runs
> and have done both formal and informal (move the couch) room =
treatment so
> I'm confident it's about as good as the room can be. Even my =
turntables are
> Technics 1200 MkIIs, my DJ mixer is top notch, and the leather =
office chair
> with casters on it is comfy as all hell.=20
>=20
> However, most of the questions I'm asking are about the space where =
I'm recording
> the Monkies. This 'studio' happens to also be our 'practice space' =
which
> is a very nice way to say it's a storage room off of a three car =
garage in
> suburban CT. The owner of said garage is the bassist and one of the =
songwriters
> in the band. We've done some things to the room to try to improve =
its acoustics
> a bit but it's small, rectangular, with low ceilings, and =
occasionally just
> a nightmare. Said owner also has three children and a mortgage and =
thus a
> very limited budget for audio equipment/upgrades. Thus we are =
tracking to
> Cubase SX 2.something on a Mac G4 that is so old I think it has =
tubes in
> it, and not for sonic effect. The monitors are so horrifically bad I =
won't
> even tell you what they are and they're stuffed into corners about =
seven
> feet from the 'mix position' which is a polite way to say 'where you =
stand
> in front of the computer.' I brought out my KRK V6s that I use as my =
'let's
> see what this will sound like on a boom box' speakers and put them =
about
> 18 inches apart on another table to give myself half a chance of =
monitoring.
> Until I scrounged up a flat panel monitor we had to turn the =
gigantic 17"
> Apple CRT monitor off when we were recording guitars to keep =
noise/hum under
> control. On top of all of this, two of his kids are teenage boys who =
play
> in more than one band and might break nearly anything I leave there =
that
> can possibly be broken.=20
>=20
> So then, when I ask something like 'is it OK to use an 828 to =
monitor' I'm
> asking that within the context of degrading my own home setup if I =
want to
> use something else, risking teenage related breakage, and a setup =
already
> with a number of fairly week links already in the various chains. I =
don't
> need to be told what's ideal, I know that answer, I just want to =
find out
> if people have any real world experience.=20
>=20
> Moving on to my actual question. One thing I've done to safeguard my =
gear
> against punk rock related damage is this; the owner and I put a hasp =
and
> a padlock on a cabinet in the garage where I've been storing my =
mics/pres/snakes/Moog
> pedals/Peterson Strobostomp/etc. Now then, this garage should never =
actually
> freeze, but it's getting colder and colder here in the great =
Northeast, and
> the garage is getting colder as well. How cold can a mic get before =
it's
> a problem, and how long--if at all--do I need to wait to let a mic =
warm up
> before turning it on and giving it phantom power? What if we get a =
really
> bad cold snap and the temp does get below freezing? That sounds bad =
to me,
> even if it's just condensation as the mics thaw.=20
>=20
> I know these are real 'ghetto recording' questions and I'll be happy =
when
> I can be back in my room mixing and sipping wine and talking to my =
cats.
> But I still need to ask, it's what we'll have to deal with.=20
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> TCB
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thad,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd take the mics home with me. =
They're not=20
heavy and perishable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Bill L" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com">bill@billlorentzen.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:47339203$1@linux">news:47339203$1@linux</A>...</DIV>OK,=20
I *guess* your shit is good enough for me to continue reading your =
<BR>posts,=20
but don't start asking questions like, "is it OK to use <BR>electrical =
cable=20
for speaker wire" or you're fucking banned, man.<BR><BR>TCB =
wrote:<BR>>=20
Greetings Parisians!<BR>> <BR>> I realize I've been asking a lot =
of=20
questions lately, but let me explain<BR>> a few things before the =
next one.=20
First, my own home studio is quite nice.<BR>> I have a very fast =
computer,=20
tons of great software, RME converters, a Creamware<BR>> SCOPE Pro =
card,=20
the Focusrite Liquid Mix, a Prophet 10, scads of guitars,<BR>> even =
some=20
nice outboard effects. My Adam A7 monitors are on high quality<BR>> =
stands=20
exactly equidistant from both my perky little ears and the =
subwoofer<BR>> I=20
got with them. I have pretty clean power (paid an electrician out of=20
pocket<BR>> to do what he could to get the circuit my gear runs off =
of in=20
the best shape<BR>> possible for an apartment dweller), I use =
short, high=20
quality cable runs<BR>> and have done both formal and informal =
(move the=20
couch) room treatment so<BR>> I'm confident it's about as good as =
the room=20
can be. Even my turntables are<BR>> Technics 1200 MkIIs, my DJ =
mixer is top=20
notch, and the leather office chair<BR>> with casters on it is =
comfy as all=20
hell. <BR>> <BR>> However, most of the questions I'm asking are =
about=20
the space where I'm recording<BR>> the Monkies. This 'studio' =
happens to=20
also be our 'practice space' which<BR>> is a very nice way to say =
it's a=20
storage room off of a three car garage in<BR>> suburban CT. The =
owner of=20
said garage is the bassist and one of the songwriters<BR>> in the =
band.=20
We've done some things to the room to try to improve its =
acoustics<BR>> a=20
bit but it's small, rectangular, with low ceilings, and occasionally=20
just<BR>> a nightmare. Said owner also has three children and a =
mortgage=20
and thus a<BR>> very limited budget for audio equipment/upgrades. =
Thus we=20
are tracking to<BR>> Cubase SX 2.something on a Mac G4 that is so =
old I=20
think it has tubes in<BR>> it, and not for sonic effect. The =
monitors are=20
so horrifically bad I won't<BR>> even tell you what they are and =
they're=20
stuffed into corners about seven<BR>> feet from the 'mix position' =
which is=20
a polite way to say 'where you stand<BR>> in front of the =
computer.' I=20
brought out my KRK V6s that I use as my 'let's<BR>> see what this =
will=20
sound like on a boom box' speakers and put them about<BR>> 18 =
inches apart=20
on another table to give myself half a chance of monitoring.<BR>> =
Until I=20
scrounged up a flat panel monitor we had to turn the gigantic =
17"<BR>>=20
Apple CRT monitor off when we were recording guitars to keep noise/hum =
under<BR>> control. On top of all of this, two of his kids are =
teenage boys=20
who play<BR>> in more than one band and might break nearly anything =
I leave=20
there that<BR>> can possibly be broken. <BR>> <BR>> So then, =
when I=20
ask something like 'is it OK to use an 828 to monitor' I'm<BR>> =
asking that=20
within the context of degrading my own home setup if I want to<BR>> =
use=20
something else, risking teenage related breakage, and a setup =
already<BR>>=20
with a number of fairly week links already in the various chains. I=20
don't<BR>> need to be told what's ideal, I know that answer, I just =
want to=20
find out<BR>> if people have any real world experience. <BR>> =
<BR>>=20
Moving on to my actual question. One thing I've done to safeguard my=20
gear<BR>> against punk rock related damage is this; the owner and I =
put a=20
hasp and<BR>> a padlock on a cabinet in the garage where I've been =
storing=20
my mics/pres/snakes/Moog<BR>> pedals/Peterson Strobostomp/etc. Now =
then,=20
this garage should never actually<BR>> freeze, but it's getting =
colder and=20
colder here in the great Northeast, and<BR>> the garage is getting =
colder=20
as well. How cold can a mic get before it's<BR>> a problem, and how =
long--if at all--do I need to wait to let a mic warm up<BR>> before =
turning=20
it on and giving it phantom power? What if we get a really<BR>> bad =
cold=20
snap and the temp does get below freezing? That sounds bad to =
me,<BR>> even=20
if it's just condensation as the mics thaw. <BR>> <BR>> I know =
these are=20
real 'ghetto recording' questions and I'll be happy when<BR>> I can =
be back=20
in my room mixing and sipping wine and talking to my cats.<BR>> But =
I still=20
need to ask, it's what we'll have to deal with. <BR>> <BR>>=20
Thanks,<BR>> <BR>> TCB</BLOCKQUOTE>
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| Re: Cold weather and microphones, and a general explanation for people [message #92551 is a reply to message #92540] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 20:20 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Sorry Bill, didn't mean to offend.
Never mind.
TCB
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>OK, I *guess* your shit is good enough for me to continue reading your
>posts, but don't start asking questions like, "is it OK to use
>electrical cable for speaker wire" or you're fucking banned, man.
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Greetings Parisians!
>>
>> I realize I've been asking a lot of questions lately, but let me explain
>> a few things before the next one. First, my own home studio is quite nice.
>> I have a very fast computer, tons of great software, RME converters, a
Creamware
>> SCOPE Pro card, the Focusrite Liquid Mix, a Prophet 10, scads of guitars,
>> even some nice outboard effects. My Adam A7 monitors are on high quality
>> stands exactly equidistant from both my perky little ears and the subwoofer
>> I got with them. I have pretty clean power (paid an electrician out of
pocket
>> to do what he could to get the circuit my gear runs off of in the best
shape
>> possible for an apartment dweller), I use short, high quality cable runs
>> and have done both formal and informal (move the couch) room treatment
so
>> I'm confident it's about as good as the room can be. Even my turntables
are
>> Technics 1200 MkIIs, my DJ mixer is top notch, and the leather office
chair
>> with casters on it is comfy as all hell.
>>
>> However, most of the questions I'm asking are about the space where I'm
recording
>> the Monkies. This 'studio' happens to also be our 'practice space' which
>> is a very nice way to say it's a storage room off of a three car garage
in
>> suburban CT. The owner of said garage is the bassist and one of the songwriters
>> in the band. We've done some things to the room to try to improve its
acoustics
>> a bit but it's small, rectangular, with low ceilings, and occasionally
just
>> a nightmare. Said owner also has three children and a mortgage and thus
a
>> very limited budget for audio equipment/upgrades. Thus we are tracking
to
>> Cubase SX 2.something on a Mac G4 that is so old I think it has tubes
in
>> it, and not for sonic effect. The monitors are so horrifically bad I won't
>> even tell you what they are and they're stuffed into corners about seven
>> feet from the 'mix position' which is a polite way to say 'where you stand
>> in front of the computer.' I brought out my KRK V6s that I use as my 'let's
>> see what this will sound like on a boom box' speakers and put them about
>> 18 inches apart on another table to give myself half a chance of monitoring.
>> Until I scrounged up a flat panel monitor we had to turn the gigantic
17"
>> Apple CRT monitor off when we were recording guitars to keep noise/hum
under
>> control. On top of all of this, two of his kids are teenage boys who play
>> in more than one band and might break nearly anything I leave there that
>> can possibly be broken.
>>
>> So then, when I ask something like 'is it OK to use an 828 to monitor'
I'm
>> asking that within the context of degrading my own home setup if I want
to
>> use something else, risking teenage related breakage, and a setup already
>> with a number of fairly week links already in the various chains. I don't
>> need to be told what's ideal, I know that answer, I just want to find
out
>> if people have any real world experience.
>>
>> Moving on to my actual question. One thing I've done to safeguard my gear
>> against punk rock related damage is this; the owner and I put a hasp and
>> a padlock on a cabinet in the garage where I've been storing my mics/pres/snakes/Moog
>> pedals/Peterson Strobostomp/etc. Now then, this garage should never actually
>> freeze, but it's getting colder and colder here in the great Northeast,
and
>> the garage is getting colder as well. How cold can a mic get before it's
>> a problem, and how long--if at all--do I need to wait to let a mic warm
up
>> before turning it on and giving it phantom power? What if we get a really
>> bad cold snap and the temp does get below freezing? That sounds bad to
me,
>> even if it's just condensation as the mics thaw.
>>
>> I know these are real 'ghetto recording' questions and I'll be happy when
>> I can be back in my room mixing and sipping wine and talking to my cats.
>> But I still need to ask, it's what we'll have to deal with.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TCB
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