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Attn: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82115] Sun, 25 March 2007 11:13 Go to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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Hey guys! I'm wondering would it be impossible to get modern DAW software
to utilize the Paris hardware, including the MEC I/O cards? Is it possible?
Is there enough information available about the hardware to do it?

Question for Deej: Do you have a schematic of the AES/EBU box you had made?

Thanks
James
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82138 is a reply to message #82115] Mon, 26 March 2007 09:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys! I'm wondering would it be impossible to get modern DAW software
> to utilize the Paris hardware, including the MEC I/O cards? Is it
> possible?
> Is there enough information available about the hardware to do it?

I believe we have enough information to do it. Having the TIME to do finish
it up is quite the other thing...

Doug (I can't even keep my web sites updated...)

http://www.parisfaqs.com


Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82139 is a reply to message #82138] Mon, 26 March 2007 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey guys! I'm wondering would it be impossible to get modern DAW software
>> to utilize the Paris hardware, including the MEC I/O cards? Is it
>> possible?
>> Is there enough information available about the hardware to do it?
>
>I believe we have enough information to do it. Having the TIME to do finish

>it up is quite the other thing...
>
>Doug (I can't even keep my web sites updated...)
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>
>
I understand you don't have the time Doug. I have a somebody in mind, but
of corse it's a long shot. I needed to know, is it a matter of writing an
ASIO driver? Would it be able to work with the MEC I/O modules? Would it
also be able to utilize the EDS effects, what about the C-16?

James
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82140 is a reply to message #82138] Mon, 26 March 2007 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LaMont is currently offline  LaMont
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Hey Doug.. Is that $$$$ dollar sign talk.?? :)

"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey guys! I'm wondering would it be impossible to get modern DAW software
>> to utilize the Paris hardware, including the MEC I/O cards? Is it
>> possible?
>> Is there enough information available about the hardware to do it?
>
>I believe we have enough information to do it. Having the TIME to do finish

>it up is quite the other thing...
>
>Doug (I can't even keep my web sites updated...)
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>
>
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82170 is a reply to message #82139] Tue, 27 March 2007 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I needed to know, is it a matter of writing an ASIO driver?

I don't know much about ASIO actually. I was working with Apple's core
audio stuff myself.

> Would it be able to work with the MEC I/O modules? Would it
> also be able to utilize the EDS effects, what about the C-16?

Well, interestingly enough, the C-16 was the easiest thing to deal with.
(Simplisitically, you just open up a serial port and send and receive
information. Of course, convincing your application to know what to do with
that information is something completely different...) There's a second
serial port you use for controlling the other hardware - routing signals to
the MEC ports, etc. I never did finish reverse engineering the EDS effects
subsystem...

Doug

http://www.parisfaqs.com


Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82171 is a reply to message #82140] Tue, 27 March 2007 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> Hey Doug.. Is that $$$$ dollar sign talk.?? :)

Yeah, it will help if I win the lottery and have enough money to quit the
day job... ('course, ya gotta PLAY the lottery before you can win it...!)

What really takes my time is the kids. I've got a 15 year old who plays
club soccer year round, and basketball, volleyball and track (pole vault and
discus) seasonally. I've also got a 12 year old who plays soccer and
baseball and wants to play football. The 15 year old is in calculus, AP
biology, AP English, etc, and the 12 year old just got a first place award
at our science and engineering fair...

I've also got a couple projects going on that take a bit of my own time. I
bought a panel making business last year, so I spend time in the shop
machining front panels for synths then painting and silkscreening them. I'm
also now the lead developer for vSigX, the OS X program that edits Eventide
Harmonizer effects units. I've got the next release scheduled for the end
of April - that will be here RSN. And I have to build a new web site for
that too...

And of course, my religious, philosophy and psychology studies continue - at
some point, I'll be faced with the decision to drop all this "worldly" stuff
and become a full time minister/roshi/counselor...

Doug

http://www.parisfaqs.com


Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82175 is a reply to message #82170] Tue, 27 March 2007 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doug, do you think it can all be done with Apple core audio?

"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I needed to know, is it a matter of writing an ASIO driver?
>
>I don't know much about ASIO actually. I was working with Apple's core

>audio stuff myself.
>
>> Would it be able to work with the MEC I/O modules? Would it
>> also be able to utilize the EDS effects, what about the C-16?
>
>Well, interestingly enough, the C-16 was the easiest thing to deal with.

>(Simplisitically, you just open up a serial port and send and receive
>information. Of course, convincing your application to know what to do
with
>that information is something completely different...) There's a second

>serial port you use for controlling the other hardware - routing signals
to
>the MEC ports, etc. I never did finish reverse engineering the EDS effects

>subsystem...
>
>Doug
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>
>
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82176 is a reply to message #82171] Tue, 27 March 2007 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LaMont is currently offline  LaMont
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Ok then. When do to start?? :) Wow . You are busy..

"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> Hey Doug.. Is that $$$$ dollar sign talk.?? :)
>
>Yeah, it will help if I win the lottery and have enough money to quit the

>day job... ('course, ya gotta PLAY the lottery before you can win it...!)
>
>What really takes my time is the kids. I've got a 15 year old who plays

>club soccer year round, and basketball, volleyball and track (pole vault
and
>discus) seasonally. I've also got a 12 year old who plays soccer and
>baseball and wants to play football. The 15 year old is in calculus, AP

>biology, AP English, etc, and the 12 year old just got a first place award

>at our science and engineering fair...
>
>I've also got a couple projects going on that take a bit of my own time.
I
>bought a panel making business last year, so I spend time in the shop
>machining front panels for synths then painting and silkscreening them.
I'm
>also now the lead developer for vSigX, the OS X program that edits Eventide

>Harmonizer effects units. I've got the next release scheduled for the end

>of April - that will be here RSN. And I have to build a new web site for

>that too...
>
>And of course, my religious, philosophy and psychology studies continue
- at
>some point, I'll be faced with the decision to drop all this "worldly" stuff

>and become a full time minister/roshi/counselor...
>
>Doug
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>
>
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82178 is a reply to message #82175] Tue, 27 March 2007 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4609691d$1@linux...
> Doug, do you think it can all be done with Apple core audio?

All of the audio input and output can be handled with core audio. What
doesn't get directly handled by core audio is handled by other parts of
Apple's I/O Kit...

Doug

http://www.parisfaqs.com


Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82192 is a reply to message #82178] Tue, 27 March 2007 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Doug,

I've got to tell you that your posts appear a bit optimistic. You and I
both know that there's no way in hell that anyone is going to write a driver
that will use paris hardware, mac, pc or linux :-)

It requires the intersection of infinite time, infinite passion and infinite
unbearable long distance testing because no one I know of (at least any more)
has enough paris hardware to test all the possible permutations.

Chuck
"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4609691d$1@linux...
>> Doug, do you think it can all be done with Apple core audio?
>
>All of the audio input and output can be handled with core audio. What

>doesn't get directly handled by core audio is handled by other parts of

>Apple's I/O Kit...
>
>Doug
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>
>
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82194 is a reply to message #82192] Tue, 27 March 2007 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So Chuck, are you saying it's impossible? Is there enough data on the hardware
to write drivers? I have all the Paris hardware.

"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Doug,
>
>I've got to tell you that your posts appear a bit optimistic. You and I
>both know that there's no way in hell that anyone is going to write a driver
>that will use paris hardware, mac, pc or linux :-)
>
>It requires the intersection of infinite time, infinite passion and infinite
>unbearable long distance testing because no one I know of (at least any
more)
>has enough paris hardware to test all the possible permutations.
>
>Chuck
>"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4609691d$1@linux...
>>> Doug, do you think it can all be done with Apple core audio?
>>
>>All of the audio input and output can be handled with core audio. What
>
>>doesn't get directly handled by core audio is handled by other parts of
>
>>Apple's I/O Kit...
>>
>>Doug
>>
>>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>>
>>
>
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82196 is a reply to message #82194] Tue, 27 March 2007 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chuck Duffy

I'm saying that it will never in a million years happen.

And as to the question of hardware, unless you have 8 mecs, 8 eds cards,
16 8ins, 16 8outs, 16 adat cards and assorted 442s and IF2s laying around,
you can't possibly test the various permutations of hardware.

Chuck

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>So Chuck, are you saying it's impossible? Is there enough data on the hardware
>to write drivers? I have all the Paris hardware.
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Doug,
>>
>>I've got to tell you that your posts appear a bit optimistic. You and
I
>>both know that there's no way in hell that anyone is going to write a driver
>>that will use paris hardware, mac, pc or linux :-)
>>
>>It requires the intersection of infinite time, infinite passion and infinite
>>unbearable long distance testing because no one I know of (at least any
>more)
>>has enough paris hardware to test all the possible permutations.
>>
>>Chuck
>>"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4609691d$1@linux...
>>>> Doug, do you think it can all be done with Apple core audio?
>>>
>>>All of the audio input and output can be handled with core audio. What
>>
>>>doesn't get directly handled by core audio is handled by other parts of
>>
>>>Apple's I/O Kit...
>>>
>>>Doug
>>>
>>>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82211 is a reply to message #82196] Tue, 27 March 2007 22:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Chuck Duffy
>
>I'm saying that it will never in a million years happen.
>
>And as to the question of hardware, unless you have 8 mecs, 8 eds cards,
>16 8ins, 16 8outs, 16 adat cards and assorted 442s and IF2s laying around,
>you can't possibly test the various permutations of hardware.
>
>Chuck

Chuck that sounds like a challenge; )
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>So Chuck, are you saying it's impossible? Is there enough data on the
hardware
>>to write drivers? I have all the Paris hardware.
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Doug,
>>>
>>>I've got to tell you that your posts appear a bit optimistic. You and
>I
>>>both know that there's no way in hell that anyone is going to write a
driver
>>>that will use paris hardware, mac, pc or linux :-)
>>>
>>>It requires the intersection of infinite time, infinite passion and infinite
>>>unbearable long distance testing because no one I know of (at least any
>>more)
>>>has enough paris hardware to test all the possible permutations.
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4609691d$1@linux...
>>>>> Doug, do you think it can all be done with Apple core audio?
>>>>
>>>>All of the audio input and output can be handled with core audio. What
>>>
>>>>doesn't get directly handled by core audio is handled by other parts
of
>>>
>>>>Apple's I/O Kit...
>>>>
>>>>Doug
>>>>
>>>>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Chuck D., Doug W. and Doug J. [message #82214 is a reply to message #82192] Tue, 27 March 2007 23:45 Go to previous message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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chuck duffy wrote:
> I've got to tell you that your posts appear a bit optimistic.

Don't burst my bubble man! Optimism is all I've got left...

> You and I both know that there's no way in hell that anyone is going
> to write a driver that will use paris hardware, mac, pc or linux :-)

Sad but true.

> It requires the intersection of infinite time, infinite passion and infinite
> unbearable long distance testing because no one I know of (at least any more)
> has enough paris hardware to test all the possible permutations.

Yeah, I certainly don't have enough hardware. Then there's that little
problem of being side-tracked actually using it to make music... ;-)

Doug (Ten EDS cards, seven MECs, five C-16's...)

http://www.parisfaqs.com


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