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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78671 is a reply to message #78653] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 13:43   |
LaMont
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Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went toe
to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
vs the pricing..
I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big part
in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
should cost $499.00 ..
Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
alone version.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of their
>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>
>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
$595.00
>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>
>James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78672 is a reply to message #78671] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 14:04 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
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Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the time
was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you can
now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
James
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
toe
>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>vs the pricing..
>
>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
part
>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>should cost $499.00 ..
>
>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>alone version.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
their
>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>
>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>$595.00
>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>
>>James
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>
>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78674 is a reply to message #78672] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 14:12 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b1326b$1@linux...
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> Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
> and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
> Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
> Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
> time
> was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you can
> now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
> when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>
> You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
Because we want everything, and we want mass quantities of it and we want it
now. and we want it for nothing if we can get it.
;o)
>
> James
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
> toe
>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>vs the pricing..
>>
>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
> part
>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>>Symphony
>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>
>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>companies
>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>alone version.
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
> their
>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>
>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>$595.00
>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>>>milliseconds
>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>
>>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78678 is a reply to message #78673] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 16:06 |
excelav
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Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi James,
>The Symphony system is very cool but..
>
>The PCI-e serves no purpose with out an external I/O box like the
>Ensemble or the option cards for the converters they have. The same way
>MOTU 424 PCI card or a RME HDSP PCI card is of no use without the
>external box.
>
Yeah, and your point is? It a system, and you get a choice of which I/O
boxes you want to get from Apogee you want to buy. If you already own Apogee
converters, which many people do, then this might be a no brainer, at least
for some.
>
>Also every pro sound card on the market can already do 1.9 or less at
>96k why is that a selling point? Sound card from Lynx, RME and Sydec can
>easily do 96/192k at the same or lower latencies with all the I/O being
>used?
And what do they cost? Their not cheap, with the exception of the MOTU stuff.
The Latency is lower on the Apogee, 1.6 milliseconds of latency from analog
source in to analog source out. May be it's not important. I think Apogee
converters speak for themselves.
>
>The tighter than usual integration with Logic is the only part that
>seems unique to me.
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>Maybe soon we'll start to see laptops with more than one expresscard
>slot so we can use the UAD and Symphony at once...sweet.
>
>Chris
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Neil was just saying he didn't want a FW or Light Pipe based PCI card system.
Symphony is not FW or Light Pipe.
Apogee is higher end stuff and it's priced accordingly. It's nice to see
a price drop though. They have some new competition showing off their stuff
at the show.
James
>
>
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>James McCloskey wrote:
>> Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
their
>> converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>
>> I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
$595.00
>> or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>> of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>
>> James
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>> Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>
>>> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78679 is a reply to message #78674] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 16:12 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
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>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45b1326b$1@linux...
>>
>> Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>> and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
to
>> Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
the
>> Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>> time
>> was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
can
>> now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>> when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>
>> You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>
>Because we want everything, and we want mass quantities of it and we want
it
>now. and we want it for nothing if we can get it.
>;o)
>
Deej your being honest, and that's always a good thing. Although, the something
for nothing part is a tuffy; )
>>
>> James
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>> toe
>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>vs the pricing..
>>>
>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>> part
>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>>>Symphony
>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>
>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>>companies
>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>>alone version.
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
>> their
>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>
>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>$595.00
>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>>>>milliseconds
>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
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>>>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78691 is a reply to message #78672] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 12:13 |
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Hey James,
My stance on the Symphony card is:
Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the time
>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you can
>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>
>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>
>James
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>toe
>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>vs the pricing..
>>
>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>part
>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>
>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>alone version.
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
>their
>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>
>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>$595.00
>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>
>>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78692 is a reply to message #78672] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 12:14 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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James,
To my mind things are looking exceptionally bright on the Mac development
side now that the platform is Unix based.
Chuck
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the time
>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you can
>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>
>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>
>James
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>toe
>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>vs the pricing..
>>
>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>part
>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>
>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>alone version.
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
>their
>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>
>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>$595.00
>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>
>>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78695 is a reply to message #78672] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 12:44 |
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Agreed.. I remmeber (back in the early 90s) PC users were laughed atand riduled
about thinking about being used for Audio of any kind.
It was product's like Paris, Acid,Wavelab and Then Nuendo, that gave the
PC pro audio legitimacy..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the time
>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you can
>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>
>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>
>James
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>toe
>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>vs the pricing..
>>
>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>part
>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>
>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>alone version.
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
>their
>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>
>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>$595.00
>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>
>>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78706 is a reply to message #78691] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 15:06 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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I believe Symphony does have DSP on board, but they are not used for FX processing.
The advantage is that it integrates with the Apogee converters for 32 I/O
with vary low latency. You love the RME stuff, what does that cost? What
do other systems cost? Add the Apogee converters and tell me what the other
system would cost?
Price drops are always good for the user. The symphony system is not cheap
but it is high end and it integrates with Logic. It also takes up only one
PCI slot. It's a system that you can grow in to over time. Maybe in time
they will have a DSP effects processing card to go with the system.
It's not for everybody. I think you especially don't like it because it
is Mac only.
James
"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey James,
>
>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>
>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>
>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
time
>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
can
>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>
>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>
>>James
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>toe
>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>vs the pricing..
>>>
>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>>part
>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>
>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>>alone version.
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
>>their
>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>
>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>$595.00
>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78711 is a reply to message #78691] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 15:02 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
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hey Lamont,
The Symphony is perfect if::
you only want to use Logic
you only want to use Apogee analog AD/DA and digital format converters
very affordable if you already have Apogee gear as your main I/O in your
studio
All of the other native and even hardware solutions will:
offer the same low latency monitoring , mixing and routing
be able to use any native software of your choice including Logic
be able to any digital and analog gear of your choice in any combination
including Apogee. benchmark, grace, UA, Millennium media, Weiss, Mytek, etc.
can be used on both MAC, PC and even Linux in some cases.
can easily be used with small and large format digital console from
DigiCo, Euphonix, SSL, Mackie, Yamaha, Fairlight to name a few.
very affordable if you already have any digital gear in your studio at
all from mixers, AD/DA, mic -pres, even old ADAT machines.
Sadly even pro tools and Paris seem to be less proprietary then this
reinvention of the wheel. Maybe if eventually 3rd party hardware makers
start offering the ability to use the X-Symphony expansion card it will
have more appeal to more users.
Chris
LaMOnt wrote:
>Hey James,
>
>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>
>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>
>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the time
>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you can
>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>
>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>
>>James
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>>
>>>
>>toe
>>
>>
>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>vs the pricing..
>>>
>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>>>
>>>
>>part
>>
>>
>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>
>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>>alone version.
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
>>>>
>>>>
>>their
>>
>>
>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>
>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>>
>>>>
>>>$595.00
>>>
>>>
>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78712 is a reply to message #78691] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 16:27 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future. I
guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess is,
it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an overhaul,
but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial list
of what's not available on the Mac.
Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL studio,
WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
James
"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey James,
>
>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>
>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>
>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
time
>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
can
>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>
>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>
>>James
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>toe
>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>vs the pricing..
>>>
>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>>part
>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>
>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>>alone version.
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
>>their
>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>
>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>$595.00
>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78719 is a reply to message #78712] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 19:16 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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On 1/20/07 5:27 PM, in article 45b2a57f$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL studio,
> WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
It is a long list, and even longer if you count Cakewalk and Sonar different
products. Sorry, couldn't resist.... ;-))
My biggest beef with interfaces is Lynx. Probably the best drivers out
there and great sound quality, but I/O options are limited from the PCI/PCIe
card. Oh well. Maybe summer NAMM will bring a single 2-port lightpipe card
without buying two cards to get one. Still great cards though.
Logic does suck.
Why'd it leave me here alone?
I searched the world over and thought I'd found true love;
It met an Apple and iPfft, it was gone.
Dedric
>
> Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>
> James
>
> "LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey James,
>>
>> My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>
>> Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>> dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>> (via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>> $900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>
>> By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>> and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
>>> Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
>>> Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
> time
>>> was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
> can
>>> now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>>> when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>
>>> You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>> toe
>>>> to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>> vs the pricing..
>>>>
>>>> I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>>> part
>>>> in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>> should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>
>>>> Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>>> companies
>>>> for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>> Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>>> alone version.
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
>>> their
>>>>> converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>> $595.00
>>>>> or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>>>>> milliseconds
>>>>> of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>> Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78722 is a reply to message #78712] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 22:15 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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James,
I don't like Logic is because.
-They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
than the Mac version
-It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at our
facility. That's why I can comment on it..
How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment from
SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!! New
Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our Sweetwater
via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
I
>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess is,
>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an overhaul,
>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>
>
>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial list
>of what's not available on the Mac.
>
>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL studio,
>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>
>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>
>James
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey James,
>>
>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>
>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>
>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
to
>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
the
>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>time
>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>can
>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>
>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>>toe
>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>
>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>>>part
>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>
>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
companies
>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>>>alone version.
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
of
>>>their
>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>
>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>>$595.00
>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78725 is a reply to message #78722] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 22:04 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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HOLY!!!!! .......errr............. WOW!!!! LaMont????....is that one of your
soundtracks? Beautiful!!! that's enough to make a body get up outta' be on
Sunday.
Now I gotta' go find me some Earth Wind & Fire ...............
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b2f6e7$1@linux...
>
> James,
>
> I don't like Logic is because.
>
> -They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
> than the Mac version
>
> -It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
>
> Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at our
> facility. That's why I can comment on it..
> How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment from
> SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
>
> I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>
> I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!! New
> Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our
> Sweetwater
> via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
> I
>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess is,
>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an
>>overhaul,
>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>
>>
>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
>>list
>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>
>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL
>>studio,
>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>
>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey James,
>>>
>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>
>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not
>>>on-board
>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is
>>>provide
>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>
>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a
>>>>company
>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
> to
>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
> the
>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>>time
>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>>can
>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
>>>>POed
>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>
>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>>>toe
>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of
>>>>>features
>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>>>>part
>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>>>>>Symphony
>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
> companies
>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a
>>>>>Stand
>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
> of
>>>>their
>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was
>>>>>>either
>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>>>>>>milliseconds
>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78727 is a reply to message #78725] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 00:06 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hey DJ!!
Yes, That's our Chior and band (with) the DSO strings-All Live.!!
That (CD-DVD) project was from our second Album (Sony/BAJDA) called "Expecations".
The recording and mixing was done in house as well. Recorded to 64 tracks
-D88..Then X-fered to ProTools HD & Digital Performer for over dubs..
Pretty normal days work.:) Each week , we record live (multitrack) that's
then broadcast live via Satalite to other countrys. So, you really have
to be on your game.
On that project, I played Guitar, and worked both pre & post production.
We have 2 G5's (Dual, Quad) 1 Dual G4(877), running Pro Tools HD3(plus),
Digital Performer(4x), Logic Audio 7.2. 2 PC's running Gigasudio3 (Orchestral)
& V-stack (Massive amount of VSTi's) ..
1 Pc for Neundo/Cubase, Acid, Sequoia..AND I have a Paris System, that everyone
loves ...
Then, there's the SSL (56channels) G/E series eqs and comps.(A- Room) B Room
( 48 channel Pro Control.. 2 indiviual pre-production suites ( Running Pro
Tools HD/Logic Audio), MPC and a host of Keyboards..
It's a great musical invironment...Then, there's the full blown Video Production
Suite.. !! Yikes!!
Last time I went up stairs, they had a Euphonics Rep in ??????
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>HOLY!!!!! .......errr............. WOW!!!! LaMont????....is that one of
your
>soundtracks? Beautiful!!! that's enough to make a body get up outta' be
on
>Sunday.
>
>Now I gotta' go find me some Earth Wind & Fire ...............
>
>;o)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b2f6e7$1@linux...
>>
>> James,
>>
>> I don't like Logic is because.
>>
>> -They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>> than the Mac version
>>
>> -It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
>>
>> Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at our
>> facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>> How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment from
>> SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
>>
>> I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>>
>> I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!!
New
>> Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our
>> Sweetwater
>> via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>> I
>>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
is,
>>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an
>>>overhaul,
>>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>>
>>>
>>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
>>>list
>>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>>
>>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL
>>>studio,
>>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>>
>>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
>>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey James,
>>>>
>>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>>
>>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not
>>>>on-board
>>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is
>>>>provide
>>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>>
>>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a
>>>>>company
>>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>> to
>>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
>> the
>>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>>>time
>>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>>>can
>>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
>>>>>POed
>>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I
went
>>>>>toe
>>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of
>>>>>>features
>>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a
Big
>>>>>part
>>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>>>>>>Symphony
>>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>> companies
>>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a
>>>>>>Stand
>>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>> of
>>>>>their
>>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was
>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>>>>>>>milliseconds
>>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78728 is a reply to message #78727] |
Sat, 20 January 2007 23:18 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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Very cool man. I'll bet that's a bit like working in heaven (pun intended).
Great band, great work.
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b3110b$1@linux...
>
> Hey DJ!!
>
> Yes, That's our Chior and band (with) the DSO strings-All Live.!!
> That (CD-DVD) project was from our second Album (Sony/BAJDA) called
> "Expecations".
>
> The recording and mixing was done in house as well. Recorded to 64 tracks
> -D88..Then X-fered to ProTools HD & Digital Performer for over dubs..
>
> Pretty normal days work.:) Each week , we record live (multitrack) that's
> then broadcast live via Satalite to other countrys. So, you really have
> to be on your game.
>
> On that project, I played Guitar, and worked both pre & post production.
>
> We have 2 G5's (Dual, Quad) 1 Dual G4(877), running Pro Tools HD3(plus),
> Digital Performer(4x), Logic Audio 7.2. 2 PC's running Gigasudio3
> (Orchestral)
> & V-stack (Massive amount of VSTi's) ..
> 1 Pc for Neundo/Cubase, Acid, Sequoia..AND I have a Paris System, that
> everyone
> loves ...
>
> Then, there's the SSL (56channels) G/E series eqs and comps.(A- Room) B
> Room
> ( 48 channel Pro Control.. 2 indiviual pre-production suites ( Running Pro
> Tools HD/Logic Audio), MPC and a host of Keyboards..
>
> It's a great musical invironment...Then, there's the full blown Video
> Production
> Suite.. !! Yikes!!
> Last time I went up stairs, they had a Euphonics Rep in ??????
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>HOLY!!!!! .......errr............. WOW!!!! LaMont????....is that one of
> your
>>soundtracks? Beautiful!!! that's enough to make a body get up outta' be
> on
>>Sunday.
>>
>>Now I gotta' go find me some Earth Wind & Fire ...............
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b2f6e7$1@linux...
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> I don't like Logic is because.
>>>
>>> -They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>>> than the Mac version
>>>
>>> -It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
>>>
>>> Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at our
>>> facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>>> How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment
>>> from
>>> SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
>>>
>>> I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>>>
>>> I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!!
> New
>>> Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our
>>> Sweetwater
>>> via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>>> I
>>>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
> is,
>>>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an
>>>>overhaul,
>>>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
>
>>>>list
>>>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>>>
>>>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL
>
>>>>studio,
>>>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>>>
>>>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current
>>>>version.
>>>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey James,
>>>>>
>>>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>>>
>>>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not
>>>>>on-board
>>>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is
>>>>>provide
>>>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a
>>>>>>company
>>>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>>> to
>>>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
>>> the
>>>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>>>>time
>>>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>>>>can
>>>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
>
>>>>>>POed
>>>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I
> went
>>>>>>toe
>>>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of
>>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a
> Big
>>>>>>part
>>>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>
>>>>>>>Symphony
>>>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>> companies
>>>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a
>
>>>>>>>Stand
>>>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>>> of
>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was
>>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>
>>>>>>>>milliseconds
>>>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78730 is a reply to message #78728] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 00:22 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Thanks ..:)
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Very cool man. I'll bet that's a bit like working in heaven (pun intended).
>Great band, great work.
>;o)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b3110b$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey DJ!!
>>
>> Yes, That's our Chior and band (with) the DSO strings-All Live.!!
>> That (CD-DVD) project was from our second Album (Sony/BAJDA) called
>> "Expecations".
>>
>> The recording and mixing was done in house as well. Recorded to 64 tracks
>> -D88..Then X-fered to ProTools HD & Digital Performer for over dubs..
>>
>> Pretty normal days work.:) Each week , we record live (multitrack) that's
>> then broadcast live via Satalite to other countrys. So, you really have
>> to be on your game.
>>
>> On that project, I played Guitar, and worked both pre & post production.
>>
>> We have 2 G5's (Dual, Quad) 1 Dual G4(877), running Pro Tools HD3(plus),
>> Digital Performer(4x), Logic Audio 7.2. 2 PC's running Gigasudio3
>> (Orchestral)
>> & V-stack (Massive amount of VSTi's) ..
>> 1 Pc for Neundo/Cubase, Acid, Sequoia..AND I have a Paris System, that
>> everyone
>> loves ...
>>
>> Then, there's the SSL (56channels) G/E series eqs and comps.(A- Room)
B
>> Room
>> ( 48 channel Pro Control.. 2 indiviual pre-production suites ( Running
Pro
>> Tools HD/Logic Audio), MPC and a host of Keyboards..
>>
>> It's a great musical invironment...Then, there's the full blown Video
>> Production
>> Suite.. !! Yikes!!
>> Last time I went up stairs, they had a Euphonics Rep in ??????
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>HOLY!!!!! .......errr............. WOW!!!! LaMont????....is that one of
>> your
>>>soundtracks? Beautiful!!! that's enough to make a body get up outta' be
>> on
>>>Sunday.
>>>
>>>Now I gotta' go find me some Earth Wind & Fire ...............
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b2f6e7$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> I don't like Logic is because.
>>>>
>>>> -They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>>>> than the Mac version
>>>>
>>>> -It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
>>>>
>>>> Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at
our
>>>> facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>>>> How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment
>>>> from
>>>> SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
>>>>
>>>> I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>>>>
>>>> I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!!
>> New
>>>> Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our
>>>> Sweetwater
>>>> via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>>>> I
>>>>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
>> is,
>>>>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an
>>>>>overhaul,
>>>>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
>>
>>>>>list
>>>>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition,
FL
>>
>>>>>studio,
>>>>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current
>>>>>version.
>>>>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey James,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not
>>>>>>on-board
>>>>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is
>>>>>>provide
>>>>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a
>>>>>>>company
>>>>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>>>> to
>>>>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks
for
>>>> the
>>>>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at
the
>>>>>time
>>>>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say
you
>>>>>can
>>>>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
>>
>>>>>>>POed
>>>>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony.
I
>> went
>>>>>>>toe
>>>>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of
>>>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had
a
>> Big
>>>>>>>part
>>>>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>>
>>>>>>>>Symphony
>>>>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>>> companies
>>>>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out
a
>>
>>>>>>>>Stand
>>>>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>>>> of
>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was
>>>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>>
>>>>>>>>>milliseconds
>>>>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78732 is a reply to message #78706] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 00:37 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Naw man, After having Paris EdS PCI Card(s), and Digi's Mix and now HD cards,
I'm use to having it all (so to speak). I feel, if you are going to take
the time to present a PCI DSP card, then at least compete with those who
have already set a 'standard' on how and what a PCI DSP should offer.
To me, only proving low-latency is nothing.. EDS cards (as you know) have
been offering low laencyy and a slew of DPpro's to boot since 1997 cost $1,100.00..
Digi, same and now with Acel cards, on another planet..
Just low latency is much to write home about (IMO)..The way I see it, It
not a High end product. Jsut because it has an Apogee tag on ,does not mean
it's high end..hat's only market perception.
back in the day (1999)-2000.the MEC/with 8in/8out card sound just as good
as Apogees AD8000 SE..The Mec was not considered "High-End" , but could hang
with the best of them..
So, anyboady can call something high end if they Hype the price enough. Not
impressed..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I believe Symphony does have DSP on board, but they are not used for FX
processing.
> The advantage is that it integrates with the Apogee converters for 32 I/O
>with vary low latency. You love the RME stuff, what does that cost? What
>do other systems cost? Add the Apogee converters and tell me what the other
>system would cost?
>
>Price drops are always good for the user. The symphony system is not cheap
>but it is high end and it integrates with Logic. It also takes up only
one
>PCI slot. It's a system that you can grow in to over time. Maybe in time
>they will have a DSP effects processing card to go with the system.
>
>It's not for everybody. I think you especially don't like it because it
>is Mac only.
>
>James
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey James,
>>
>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>
>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>
>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
to
>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
the
>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>time
>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>can
>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>
>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>>toe
>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>
>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>>>part
>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>
>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
companies
>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>>>alone version.
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
of
>>>their
>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>
>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>>$595.00
>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78733 is a reply to message #78727] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 00:40 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Nice work, LaMont... now all you need to learn is that E-series
SSL's don't really like to be "pushed" & you'll do just fine.
Neil
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey DJ!!
>
>Yes, That's our Chior and band (with) the DSO strings-All Live.!!
>That (CD-DVD) project was from our second Album (Sony/BAJDA) called "Expecations".
>
>The recording and mixing was done in house as well. Recorded to 64 tracks
>-D88..Then X-fered to ProTools HD & Digital Performer for over dubs..
>
>Pretty normal days work.:) Each week , we record live (multitrack) that's
>then broadcast live via Satalite to other countrys. So, you really have
>to be on your game.
>
>On that project, I played Guitar, and worked both pre & post production.
>
>We have 2 G5's (Dual, Quad) 1 Dual G4(877), running Pro Tools HD3(plus),
>Digital Performer(4x), Logic Audio 7.2. 2 PC's running Gigasudio3 (Orchestral)
>& V-stack (Massive amount of VSTi's) ..
>1 Pc for Neundo/Cubase, Acid, Sequoia..AND I have a Paris System, that everyone
>loves ...
>
>Then, there's the SSL (56channels) G/E series eqs and comps.(A- Room) B
Room
>( 48 channel Pro Control.. 2 indiviual pre-production suites ( Running Pro
>Tools HD/Logic Audio), MPC and a host of Keyboards..
>
>It's a great musical invironment...Then, there's the full blown Video Production
>Suite.. !! Yikes!!
>Last time I went up stairs, they had a Euphonics Rep in ??????
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>HOLY!!!!! .......errr............. WOW!!!! LaMont????....is that one of
>your
>>soundtracks? Beautiful!!! that's enough to make a body get up outta' be
>on
>>Sunday.
>>
>>Now I gotta' go find me some Earth Wind & Fire ...............
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b2f6e7$1@linux...
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> I don't like Logic is because.
>>>
>>> -They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>>> than the Mac version
>>>
>>> -It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
>>>
>>> Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at
our
>>> facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>>> How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment
from
>>> SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
>>>
>>> I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>>>
>>> I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!!
>New
>>> Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our
>>> Sweetwater
>>> via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>>> I
>>>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
>is,
>>>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an
>>>>overhaul,
>>>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
>
>>>>list
>>>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>>>
>>>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL
>
>>>>studio,
>>>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>>>
>>>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
>>>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey James,
>>>>>
>>>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>>>
>>>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not
>>>>>on-board
>>>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is
>>>>>provide
>>>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a
>>>>>>company
>>>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>>> to
>>>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
>>> the
>>>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at
the
>>>>time
>>>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say
you
>>>>can
>>>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
>
>>>>>>POed
>>>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I
>went
>>>>>>toe
>>>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of
>>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had
a
>Big
>>>>>>part
>>>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>
>>>>>>>Symphony
>>>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>> companies
>>>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out
a
>
>>>>>>>Stand
>>>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>>> of
>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was
>>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>
>>>>>>>>milliseconds
>>>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Wow! Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony [message #78754 is a reply to message #78732] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 14:37 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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I'll bet they add DSP in the future. I think the quality of the converters
make it high end. It's not for me either, too much money.
james
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Naw man, After having Paris EdS PCI Card(s), and Digi's Mix and now HD cards,
>I'm use to having it all (so to speak). I feel, if you are going to take
>the time to present a PCI DSP card, then at least compete with those who
>have already set a 'standard' on how and what a PCI DSP should offer.
>
>To me, only proving low-latency is nothing.. EDS cards (as you know) have
>been offering low laencyy and a slew of DPpro's to boot since 1997 cost
$1,100.00..
>Digi, same and now with Acel cards, on another planet..
>Just low latency is much to write home about (IMO)..The way I see it, It
>not a High end product. Jsut because it has an Apogee tag on ,does not mean
>it's high end..hat's only market perception.
>back in the day (1999)-2000.the MEC/with 8in/8out card sound just as good
>as Apogees AD8000 SE..The Mec was not considered "High-End" , but could
hang
>with the best of them..
>
>So, anyboady can call something high end if they Hype the price enough.
Not
>impressed..
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I believe Symphony does have DSP on board, but they are not used for FX
>processing.
>> The advantage is that it integrates with the Apogee converters for 32
I/O
>>with vary low latency. You love the RME stuff, what does that cost? What
>>do other systems cost? Add the Apogee converters and tell me what the
other
>>system would cost?
>>
>>Price drops are always good for the user. The symphony system is not cheap
>>but it is high end and it integrates with Logic. It also takes up only
>one
>>PCI slot. It's a system that you can grow in to over time. Maybe in time
>>they will have a DSP effects processing card to go with the system.
>>
>>It's not for everybody. I think you especially don't like it because it
>>is Mac only.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey James,
>>>
>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>
>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>
>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>to
>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
>the
>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>>time
>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>>can
>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
POed
>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>
>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>>>toe
>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a
Big
>>>>part
>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>companies
>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a
Stand
>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>of
>>>>their
>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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excelav
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>James,
>
>I don't like Logic is because.
>
>-They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>than the Mac version
That's the truth! You need to get over it though. You were pissed at EMU,
yet you have bought their products since and supported that company by doing
so. Think about it. I thought it was a bad move at the time too, but I
understand why they did it. They did, offered Logic user reasonable discounts
to switch to their products. Time to put it in the past and see what's next.
>
>-It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
Yes, Logic has lagged behind in some respects, but it doesn't mean that it
not a good DAW program. There has been continual developments. A lot of
users like it's interface and have complained when they undated parts of
Logic. I think they should have a classic mode for those users. I also
hope Logic 8 is easyer to use out of the box.
>
>Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at our
>facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment from
>SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
You stated in the past that you used to use Logic for Windows back at version
4.x, so you using the current version is news to me.
>
>I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>
>I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!! New
>Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our Sweetwater
>via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
People are talking, but don't be mad if they are wrong. Don't be mad if
this new version has some bugs, that's the case for most new software. There
is no promise from Apple here. One thing is for sure, nobody will really
know until Apple says so. Apple will keep developing it over time. My bet
is, 64bit version, up to 192k. I would think they are going to try to compete
with Digi, like they did with FCP.
James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>I
>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
is,
>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an overhaul,
>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>
>>
>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
list
>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>
>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL
studio,
>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>
>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey James,
>>>
>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>
>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>
>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>to
>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
>the
>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>>time
>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>>can
>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
POed
>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>
>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>>>toe
>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a
Big
>>>>part
>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>companies
>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a
Stand
>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>of
>>>>their
>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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