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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80889 is a reply to message #80877] |
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Hey Deej,
What do you really do far a living anyway? I should have known you must
have a day job... You buy too much gear to be a starving musician/recording
studio owner like me!
Gantt
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Hey James.........apologies for the venom. Stuff going on here (non audio
or
>PC related) that has me a bit riled up at the moment. My day job can be
a
>bit stresful and I am currently dealing with some pretty hypocritical
>people, so you puched a button with that particular keyword. A bad time
to
>be trying to carry on a civil discussion.
>
>Deej
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45e71e19@linux...
>>I thought it was hypocritical of Deej to knock the Mac
>> when he has had so many problems with all the cheap after market MOBOs
>> frying
>> and the problems he has had with other PC parts, such as video cardsand
>> drivers.
>> Macs have problems, but they are rare.
>>
>> God forbid that I should be hypocritical. I have owned Macs since 1994.
>> The OS just sucks IMO in comparison to Windows and while we're speaking
of
>> hypocrites, the hypocritical business practices of Apple is another reason
>> I don't go with Mac. You refer to the amount of money I spend on PC's.
I
>> do it because I choose to because it allows me choices. If the new Macs
>> still had PCI slots, then it might allow a bit more flexibility for the
>> hardware I choose to use.....did you ever thing of
>> that???......no.....because you, as a "sheeple", slavishly allow yourself
>> to get dragged by the nose wherever Mr. Jobs cares to take you......and
I
>> have had hardware problems with Macs too.
>>
>> Have a nice ****'in day you *****
>>
>> ;o(
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:45e71845$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>James -
>>>>
>>>>Security admin?? Have you been watching those Apple ads for data
>>>>research
>>>>again? ;-) Sorry, no security admin here. Actually no admin at all.
I
>>>>turn on my PCs and start working. The most time I spend on any system
>>>>issue
>>>>is installing new audio hardware or software. And I don't have to worry
>>>>about scaling down my work by being limited to only 3 or 4 PCI(e) slots.
>>>>
>>> No, I've been using PCs! So tell me you can load Windoz XP and go on
the
>>> internet without loading some kind of security software? If you do you
>>> will
>>> have all kinds of problems with your PC and in no time it will grind
to a
>>> halt. That's what I'm talking about. If you get the free stuff, you
are
>>> likely to have the free software install a bunch of junk on your PC.
You
>>> will also have to get multiple security softwares to install on your
PC
>>> because
>>> no one software covers every thing that's out there. So it cost money
to
>>> buy good security software.
>>>
>>> So the solution here is build one PC for audio and don't go on the net
>>> with
>>> it, and build another PC for cruising the net. What does that cost?
We
>>> could go around with this for the next ten years.
>>>
>>>>I know you are a diehard Mac guy, and that's cool. I've owned and used
>>> both
>>>>for years and am only diehard about making the best investment and
>>>>getting
>>>>the most performance. Macs are fine for a lot of users, but not because
>>>>they are better, faster or cheaper.<
>>>
>>> Mac OSX is a better operating system, that's why Microsoft keeps trying
>>> to
>>> copy it!!!!! Vista is such a blatant rip off of the look and feel of
Mac
>>> OSX it's just sad! And it's security is a joke! Maybe you should watch
>>> the Apple ads. It's time to switch to the real thing, not a sad knock
>>> off.
>>> But the sheeple will buy the lie like they did in 1995.
>>>
>>>>They just run a proprietary OS with
>>>>more limited hardware upgrade options because of it. I check every
>>>>component and potential cost everytime I consider adding a new computer,
>>> and
>>>>without fail, Macs have yet to prove a better investment. They are not
>>>>easier to maintain, upgrade or cheaper to buy. If you have a problem,
>>>>they
>>>>can be even more difficult to troubleshoot and fix than a PC, short of
>>>>reinstalling the OS, which is never a time saver.
>>>
>>> Well, you statement totally contradicts the studies that hues aircraft,
>>> boeing,
>>> and the United states Navy did on the number of support personnel needed
>>> to maintain PCs vs. Macs, and the difficulties. there in.
>>>
>>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP,
not
>>> Mac OSX.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rick - sorry for the OT detour - it's your thread, not a Mac vs. PC
>>>>debate.
>>>>Hope you get the Mac fixed.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dedric
>>>
>>> In all my years as a Mac user and authorized Mac dealer I've only heard
>>> of
>>> one person having a fried mother board on a Mac. That person dumped
a
>>> full
>>> glass of water in to the keyboard by accident, while the machine was
>>> running.
>>> Then there is you and rick, and the problems you guys have had. I'm
sure
>>> somebody will pipe in here to tell Mac fried MOBO stories, come on LaMont
>>> I know your out there.
>>>
>>> Deej stated that he doesn't go with Macs because of the problems rick
is
>>> having and the expense. It seems that their is a preconceived notion
>>> that
>>> Macs have the same kind of failure rate as the cheap after market PC
>>> MOBOs
>>> do. They do not. I thought it was hypocritical of Deej to knock the
Mac
>>> when he has had so many problems with all the cheap after market MOBOs
>>> frying
>>> and the problems he has had with other PC parts, such as video cardsand
>>> drivers.
>>> Macs have problems, but they are rare.
>>>
>>> A Mac purchase is a pretty safe bet as far as reliability, the cheap
>>> after
>>> market PC stuff is a whole other story. Deej has proven this over the
>>> years
>>> with quit a bit of failed PC parts. Yes, Deej knows PC part suckage!
>>> Deej
>>> does own a G4 400MHz, but he doesn't use Macs, he just knocks them.
By
>>> the
>>> way, I believe his vintage 1999 G4 Mac is still running to this day.
>>>
>>> It's true that the replacement cost on a Mac MOBO is more expensive.
My
>>> other point with Deej was, if he ever got a new Mac and was really
>>> worried
>>> about the MOBO frying, he could get the Apple care warranty for $249.00
>>> for
>>> three years of full coverage with full tech support. I was just trying
>>> to
>>> point out his options. Some people get it and some people don't. The
>>> bottom
>>> line is Macs are easy to use and hassle free, and that is worth a lot.
>>> The
>>> security problems and the cost of those problems on PC are unacceptable.
>>> The security on a Mac is built in, you don't have to pay extra, or use
>>> some
>>> freeware that will screw up your machine further. It's all part of why
a
>>> mac cost more, but it really doesn't. You get what you pay for. Until
>>> you
>>> really use a Mac, you won't really know.
>>>
>>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac
>>> running
>>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>>>
>>> If Apple and the Macintosh computer suck so bad, why does Microsoft keep
>>> trying to copy them?
>>>
>>> If you just don't like Macs, that's cool! I don't care. Just don't
>>> knock
>>> them every time they are mentioned, or there is a problem with one.
It
>>> would
>>> be pretty easy to knock PCs every time you guys have a problem, which
is
>>> just about every other day.
>>>
>>> I think enough has been said on this subject! Why don't we close it.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 3/1/07 1:03 AM, in article 45e67ac9$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Add all your time in! Add all the time it takes to maintain your
>>>>> systems.
>>>>> Start with security administration per week. add in all the stuff
I
>>>>> pointed
>>>>> out to Deej, and then tell me what it all costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last G4 was in January 2003, by summer the G5 was out. By the
way,
>>> you
>>>>> can buy a new core 2 duo MacMini for $499.00, and it's upgradable.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> PC motherboard for a 2-year old PC: $70.
>>>>>> Motherboard for a 3 year old dual G4 Mac: $700.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple care for that Mac: $249.
>>>>>> PC care: $0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Freedom to save money: priceless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;-))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No matter how you slice it, the Mac just cost more than two of my
PCs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/28/07 11:57 PM, in article 45e66b4c@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80890 is a reply to message #80881] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 13:22 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>OK then. Glad we're cool.........now if LaMont were here, he would have
>probably called us both punkasses.
>
>;o)
>
>Deej
I would be Punkass Bitch #1
James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45e722b5$1@linux...
>>
>> No problem Deej! We're both passionate people about things we believe
in.
>> We all have those days. The same for my responses. Nothing personal.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Hey James.........apologies for the venom. Stuff going on here (non audio
>> or
>>>PC related) that has me a bit riled up at the moment. My day job can be
>> a
>>>bit stresful and I am currently dealing with some pretty hypocritical
>>>people, so you puched a button with that particular keyword. A bad time
>> to
>>>be trying to carry on a civil discussion.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45e71e19@linux...
>>>>I thought it was hypocritical of Deej to knock the Mac
>>>> when he has had so many problems with all the cheap after market MOBOs
>>
>>>> frying
>>>> and the problems he has had with other PC parts, such as video cardsand
>>
>>>> drivers.
>>>> Macs have problems, but they are rare.
>>>>
>>>> God forbid that I should be hypocritical. I have owned Macs since 1994.
>>
>>>> The OS just sucks IMO in comparison to Windows and while we're speaking
>> of
>>>> hypocrites, the hypocritical business practices of Apple is another
>>>> reason
>>
>>>> I don't go with Mac. You refer to the amount of money I spend on PC's.
>> I
>>>> do it because I choose to because it allows me choices. If the new Macs
>>
>>>> still had PCI slots, then it might allow a bit more flexibility for
the
>>
>>>> hardware I choose to use.....did you ever thing of
>>>> that???......no.....because you, as a "sheeple", slavishly allow
>>>> yourself
>>
>>>> to get dragged by the nose wherever Mr. Jobs cares to take you......and
>> I
>>>> have had hardware problems with Macs too.
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice ****'in day you *****
>>>>
>>>> ;o(
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45e71845$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>James -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Security admin?? Have you been watching those Apple ads for data
>>>>>>research
>>>>>>again? ;-) Sorry, no security admin here. Actually no admin at all.
>> I
>>>>>>turn on my PCs and start working. The most time I spend on any system
>>
>>>>>>issue
>>>>>>is installing new audio hardware or software. And I don't have to
>>>>>>worry
>>>>>>about scaling down my work by being limited to only 3 or 4 PCI(e)
>>>>>>slots.
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, I've been using PCs! So tell me you can load Windoz XP and go
on
>> the
>>>>> internet without loading some kind of security software? If you do
you
>>
>>>>> will
>>>>> have all kinds of problems with your PC and in no time it will grind
>> to a
>>>>> halt. That's what I'm talking about. If you get the free stuff, you
>> are
>>>>> likely to have the free software install a bunch of junk on your PC.
>> You
>>>>> will also have to get multiple security softwares to install on your
>> PC
>>>>> because
>>>>> no one software covers every thing that's out there. So it cost money
>> to
>>>>> buy good security software.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the solution here is build one PC for audio and don't go on the
net
>>
>>>>> with
>>>>> it, and build another PC for cruising the net. What does that cost?
>> We
>>>>> could go around with this for the next ten years.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I know you are a diehard Mac guy, and that's cool. I've owned and
used
>>>>> both
>>>>>>for years and am only diehard about making the best investment and
>>>>>>getting
>>>>>>the most performance. Macs are fine for a lot of users, but not
>>>>>>because
>>>>>>they are better, faster or cheaper.<
>>>>>
>>>>> Mac OSX is a better operating system, that's why Microsoft keeps trying
>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> copy it!!!!! Vista is such a blatant rip off of the look and feel
of
>> Mac
>>>>> OSX it's just sad! And it's security is a joke! Maybe you should
>>>>> watch
>>>>> the Apple ads. It's time to switch to the real thing, not a sad knock
>>
>>>>> off.
>>>>> But the sheeple will buy the lie like they did in 1995.
>>>>>
>>>>>>They just run a proprietary OS with
>>>>>>more limited hardware upgrade options because of it. I check every
>>>>>>component and potential cost everytime I consider adding a new
>>>>>>computer,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>without fail, Macs have yet to prove a better investment. They are
not
>>>>>>easier to maintain, upgrade or cheaper to buy. If you have a problem,
>>
>>>>>>they
>>>>>>can be even more difficult to troubleshoot and fix than a PC, short
of
>>>>>>reinstalling the OS, which is never a time saver.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you statement totally contradicts the studies that hues aircraft,
>>
>>>>> boeing,
>>>>> and the United states Navy did on the number of support personnel
>>>>> needed
>>>>> to maintain PCs vs. Macs, and the difficulties. there in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP,
>> not
>>>>> Mac OSX.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rick - sorry for the OT detour - it's your thread, not a Mac vs. PC
>>>>>>debate.
>>>>>>Hope you get the Mac fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> In all my years as a Mac user and authorized Mac dealer I've only heard
>>
>>>>> of
>>>>> one person having a fried mother board on a Mac. That person dumped
>> a
>>>>> full
>>>>> glass of water in to the keyboard by accident, while the machine was
>>
>>>>> running.
>>>>> Then there is you and rick, and the problems you guys have had. I'm
>> sure
>>>>> somebody will pipe in here to tell Mac fried MOBO stories, come on
>>>>> LaMont
>>>>> I know your out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Deej stated that he doesn't go with Macs because of the problems rick
>> is
>>>>> having and the expense. It seems that their is a preconceived notion
>>
>>>>> that
>>>>> Macs have the same kind of failure rate as the cheap after market PC
>>
>>>>> MOBOs
>>>>> do. They do not. I thought it was hypocritical of Deej to knock the
>> Mac
>>>>> when he has had so many problems with all the cheap after market MOBOs
>>
>>>>> frying
>>>>> and the problems he has had with other PC parts, such as video cardsand
>>
>>>>> drivers.
>>>>> Macs have problems, but they are rare.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Mac purchase is a pretty safe bet as far as reliability, the cheap
>>
>>>>> after
>>>>> market PC stuff is a whole other story. Deej has proven this over
the
>>
>>>>> years
>>>>> with quit a bit of failed PC parts. Yes, Deej knows PC part suckage!
>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>> does own a G4 400MHz, but he doesn't use Macs, he just knocks them.
>> By
>>>>> the
>>>>> way, I believe his vintage 1999 G4 Mac is still running to this day.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's true that the replacement cost on a Mac MOBO is more expensive.
>> My
>>>>> other point with Deej was, if he ever got a new Mac and was really
>>>>> worried
>>>>> about the MOBO frying, he could get the Apple care warranty for $249.00
>>
>>>>> for
>>>>> three years of full coverage with full tech support. I was just trying
>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> point out his options. Some people get it and some people don't.
The
>>
>>>>> bottom
>>>>> line is Macs are easy to use and hassle free, and that is worth a lot.
>>
>>>>> The
>>>>> security problems and the cost of those problems on PC are
>>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>> The security on a Mac is built in, you don't have to pay extra, or
use
>>
>>>>> some
>>>>> freeware that will screw up your machine further. It's all part of
why
>> a
>>>>> mac cost more, but it really doesn't. You get what you pay for. Until
>>
>>>>> you
>>>>> really use a Mac, you won't really know.
>>>>>
>>>>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac
>>>>> running
>>>>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>>>>>
>>>>> If Apple and the Macintosh computer suck so bad, why does Microsoft
>>>>> keep
>>>>> trying to copy them?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you just don't like Macs, that's cool! I don't care. Just don't
>>
>>>>> knock
>>>>> them every time they are mentioned, or there is a problem with one.
>> It
>>>>> would
>>>>> be pretty easy to knock PCs every time you guys have a problem, which
>> is
>>>>> just about every other day.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think enough has been said on this subject! Why don't we close it.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 3/1/07 1:03 AM, in article 45e67ac9$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Add all your time in! Add all the time it takes to maintain your
>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>> Start with security administration per week. add in all the stuff
>> I
>>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>>> out to Deej, and then tell me what it all costs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last G4 was in January 2003, by summer the G5 was out. By the
>> way,
>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can buy a new core 2 duo MacMini for $499.00, and it's upgradable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> PC motherboard for a 2-year old PC: $70.
>>>>>>>> Motherboard for a 3 year old dual G4 Mac: $700.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple care for that Mac: $249.
>>>>>>>> PC care: $0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Freedom to save money: priceless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;-))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No matter how you slice it, the Mac just cost more than two of my
>> PCs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/28/07 11:57 PM, in article 45e66b4c@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80891 is a reply to message #80874] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 12:35 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45e71845$1@linux...
, I've been using PCs! So tell me you can load Windoz XP and go on the
> internet without loading some kind of security software? If you do you
> will
> have all kinds of problems with your PC and in no time it will grind to a
> halt. That's what I'm talking about. If you get the free stuff, you are
> likely to have the free software install a bunch of junk on your PC. You
> will also have to get multiple security softwares to install on your PC
> because
> no one software covers every thing that's out there. So it cost money to
> buy good security software.
>
I run Antivir on my laptop, which is the only PC connected to the net and
it doesn't cost anything either in time or money. I haven't had a virus, or
spyware,
and of course I don't download suspicious free crap either. Not sure why
anyone
would actually. Is that why Mac users buy Macs? To download suspicious
freeware
and spyware? ;-)
My wife has several free apps running on her Mac - dashboard apps,
Google Earth, etc. It's noticeably slower, and causes crashes with other
apps frequently (esp.
Firefox, Entourage, etc - we would use Safari, but it doesn't have a
bookmark sidebar).
Dashboard takes 5-10 seconds to open and run due to the apps accessing
the net or whatever. I only use the calculator in DB, but almost not worth
the wait,
and it has to be clicked or reopened half the time to get it to work).
> So the solution here is build one PC for audio and don't go on the net
> with
> it, and build another PC for cruising the net. What does that cost? We
> could go around with this for the next ten years.
No. Cruising the internet/checking email on the same systems just doesn't
make any sense
and is an unnecessary tax on memory and the cpu, even if it is quite small -
that could be an
EQ plugin right there.
> Mac OSX is a better operating system, that's why Microsoft keeps trying to
> copy it!!!!! Vista is such a blatant rip off of the look and feel of Mac
> OSX it's just sad! And it's security is a joke! Maybe you should watch
> the Apple ads. It's time to switch to the real thing, not a sad knock
> off.
> But the sheeple will buy the lie like they did in 1995.
Lol. You sound like there is no other opinion than yours, which is why we
are here.
> Well, you statement totally contradicts the studies that hues aircraft,
> boeing,
> and the United states Navy did on the number of support personnel needed
> to maintain PCs vs. Macs, and the difficulties. there in.
>
I worked on a Navy contract project after college (Unix systems). Are you
saying that the government is
actually a reliable source for efficiency studies? ;-)
> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP, not
> Mac OSX.
Really? I didn't know I should have been reinstalling Windows... and after
all these
years, you still learn something new. ;-) Fyi, I've never had to reinstall
Windows.
> In all my years as a Mac user and authorized Mac dealer I've only heard of
> one person having a fried mother board on a Mac. That person dumped a
> full
> glass of water in to the keyboard by accident, while the machine was
> running.
> Then there is you and rick, and the problems you guys have had. I'm sure
> somebody will pipe in here to tell Mac fried MOBO stories, come on LaMont
> I know your out there.
Our G4 board isn't fried - the USB buss is defective.
> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac running
> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
Yes. Everyday.
> If you just don't like Macs, that's cool! I don't care. Just don't knock
> them every time they are mentioned, or there is a problem with one. It
> would
> be pretty easy to knock PCs every time you guys have a problem, which is
> just about every other day.
James, I have been giving you are a hard time because you are so adamant
about your
opinion and can't seem to see both sides of the picture for the Apple in
front of you. I simply make
my platform choices based on what gets more work done for my investment. I
actually like
Macs for what they are - I just can't justify one for 90% of what I do.
I can easily see the pros and cons on both sides and that's what I assess
when buying or building.
I know there are Mac users that can as well, but it does seem that Mac users
are far more
defensive than PC users. I was just yanking your chain because you always
carry it with you in these discussions.
I was just having a little fun my friend.
No hard feelings. My wife is a diehard Mac users as well, as are the
video/film producers I work with.
I just can't kid around with her the way I can here - it seldom ends well
for me regardless - and well,
kidding around with clients never works out to well either. :-)
Regards,
Dedric
>
> I think enough has been said on this subject! Why don't we close it.
>
> James
>
>>
>>On 3/1/07 1:03 AM, in article 45e67ac9$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Add all your time in! Add all the time it takes to maintain your
>>> systems.
>>> Start with security administration per week. add in all the stuff I
>>> pointed
>>> out to Deej, and then tell me what it all costs.
>>>
>>> The last G4 was in January 2003, by summer the G5 was out. By the way,
> you
>>> can buy a new core 2 duo MacMini for $499.00, and it's upgradable.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> PC motherboard for a 2-year old PC: $70.
>>>> Motherboard for a 3 year old dual G4 Mac: $700.
>>>>
>>>> Apple care for that Mac: $249.
>>>> PC care: $0.
>>>>
>>>> Freedom to save money: priceless.
>>>>
>>>> ;-))
>>>>
>>>> No matter how you slice it, the Mac just cost more than two of my PCs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/28/07 11:57 PM, in article 45e66b4c@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80892 is a reply to message #80881] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 14:18 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Can't I just sit back and look a fight instead being in them ?? :)
Win 95 blew the doors off of OS7.5 & 8. I quit using my Quadra 840, and got
a Gateway..true story..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>OK then. Glad we're cool.........now if LaMont were here, he would have
>probably called us both punkasses.
>
>;o)
>
>Deej
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45e722b5$1@linux...
>>
>> No problem Deej! We're both passionate people about things we believe
in.
>> We all have those days. The same for my responses. Nothing personal.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Hey James.........apologies for the venom. Stuff going on here (non audio
>> or
>>>PC related) that has me a bit riled up at the moment. My day job can be
>> a
>>>bit stresful and I am currently dealing with some pretty hypocritical
>>>people, so you puched a button with that particular keyword. A bad time
>> to
>>>be trying to carry on a civil discussion.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45e71e19@linux...
>>>>I thought it was hypocritical of Deej to knock the Mac
>>>> when he has had so many problems with all the cheap after market MOBOs
>>
>>>> frying
>>>> and the problems he has had with other PC parts, such as video cardsand
>>
>>>> drivers.
>>>> Macs have problems, but they are rare.
>>>>
>>>> God forbid that I should be hypocritical. I have owned Macs since 1994.
>>
>>>> The OS just sucks IMO in comparison to Windows and while we're speaking
>> of
>>>> hypocrites, the hypocritical business practices of Apple is another
>>>> reason
>>
>>>> I don't go with Mac. You refer to the amount of money I spend on PC's.
>> I
>>>> do it because I choose to because it allows me choices. If the new Macs
>>
>>>> still had PCI slots, then it might allow a bit more flexibility for
the
>>
>>>> hardware I choose to use.....did you ever thing of
>>>> that???......no.....because you, as a "sheeple", slavishly allow
>>>> yourself
>>
>>>> to get dragged by the nose wherever Mr. Jobs cares to take you......and
>> I
>>>> have had hardware problems with Macs too.
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice ****'in day you *****
>>>>
>>>> ;o(
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45e71845$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>James -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Security admin?? Have you been watching those Apple ads for data
>>>>>>research
>>>>>>again? ;-) Sorry, no security admin here. Actually no admin at all.
>> I
>>>>>>turn on my PCs and start working. The most time I spend on any system
>>
>>>>>>issue
>>>>>>is installing new audio hardware or software. And I don't have to
>>>>>>worry
>>>>>>about scaling down my work by being limited to only 3 or 4 PCI(e)
>>>>>>slots.
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, I've been using PCs! So tell me you can load Windoz XP and go
on
>> the
>>>>> internet without loading some kind of security software? If you do
you
>>
>>>>> will
>>>>> have all kinds of problems with your PC and in no time it will grind
>> to a
>>>>> halt. That's what I'm talking about. If you get the free stuff, you
>> are
>>>>> likely to have the free software install a bunch of junk on your PC.
>> You
>>>>> will also have to get multiple security softwares to install on your
>> PC
>>>>> because
>>>>> no one software covers every thing that's out there. So it cost money
>> to
>>>>> buy good security software.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the solution here is build one PC for audio and don't go on the
net
>>
>>>>> with
>>>>> it, and build another PC for cruising the net. What does that cost?
>> We
>>>>> could go around with this for the next ten years.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I know you are a diehard Mac guy, and that's cool. I've owned and
used
>>>>> both
>>>>>>for years and am only diehard about making the best investment and
>>>>>>getting
>>>>>>the most performance. Macs are fine for a lot of users, but not
>>>>>>because
>>>>>>they are better, faster or cheaper.<
>>>>>
>>>>> Mac OSX is a better operating system, that's why Microsoft keeps trying
>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> copy it!!!!! Vista is such a blatant rip off of the look and feel
of
>> Mac
>>>>> OSX it's just sad! And it's security is a joke! Maybe you should
>>>>> watch
>>>>> the Apple ads. It's time to switch to the real thing, not a sad knock
>>
>>>>> off.
>>>>> But the sheeple will buy the lie like they did in 1995.
>>>>>
>>>>>>They just run a proprietary OS with
>>>>>>more limited hardware upgrade options because of it. I check every
>>>>>>component and potential cost everytime I consider adding a new
>>>>>>computer,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>without fail, Macs have yet to prove a better investment. They are
not
>>>>>>easier to maintain, upgrade or cheaper to buy. If you have a problem,
>>
>>>>>>they
>>>>>>can be even more difficult to troubleshoot and fix than a PC, short
of
>>>>>>reinstalling the OS, which is never a time saver.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you statement totally contradicts the studies that hues aircraft,
>>
>>>>> boeing,
>>>>> and the United states Navy did on the number of support personnel
>>>>> needed
>>>>> to maintain PCs vs. Macs, and the difficulties. there in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP,
>> not
>>>>> Mac OSX.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rick - sorry for the OT detour - it's your thread, not a Mac vs. PC
>>>>>>debate.
>>>>>>Hope you get the Mac fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> In all my years as a Mac user and authorized Mac dealer I've only heard
>>
>>>>> of
>>>>> one person having a fried mother board on a Mac. That person dumped
>> a
>>>>> full
>>>>> glass of water in to the keyboard by accident, while the machine was
>>
>>>>> running.
>>>>> Then there is you and rick, and the problems you guys have had. I'm
>> sure
>>>>> somebody will pipe in here to tell Mac fried MOBO stories, come on
>>>>> LaMont
>>>>> I know your out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Deej stated that he doesn't go with Macs because of the problems rick
>> is
>>>>> having and the expense. It seems that their is a preconceived notion
>>
>>>>> that
>>>>> Macs have the same kind of failure rate as the cheap after market PC
>>
>>>>> MOBOs
>>>>> do. They do not. I thought it was hypocritical of Deej to knock the
>> Mac
>>>>> when he has had so many problems with all the cheap after market MOBOs
>>
>>>>> frying
>>>>> and the problems he has had with other PC parts, such as video cardsand
>>
>>>>> drivers.
>>>>> Macs have problems, but they are rare.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Mac purchase is a pretty safe bet as far as reliability, the cheap
>>
>>>>> after
>>>>> market PC stuff is a whole other story. Deej has proven this over
the
>>
>>>>> years
>>>>> with quit a bit of failed PC parts. Yes, Deej knows PC part suckage!
>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>> does own a G4 400MHz, but he doesn't use Macs, he just knocks them.
>> By
>>>>> the
>>>>> way, I believe his vintage 1999 G4 Mac is still running to this day.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's true that the replacement cost on a Mac MOBO is more expensive.
>> My
>>>>> other point with Deej was, if he ever got a new Mac and was really
>>>>> worried
>>>>> about the MOBO frying, he could get the Apple care warranty for $249.00
>>
>>>>> for
>>>>> three years of full coverage with full tech support. I was just trying
>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> point out his options. Some people get it and some people don't.
The
>>
>>>>> bottom
>>>>> line is Macs are easy to use and hassle free, and that is worth a lot.
>>
>>>>> The
>>>>> security problems and the cost of those problems on PC are
>>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>> The security on a Mac is built in, you don't have to pay extra, or
use
>>
>>>>> some
>>>>> freeware that will screw up your machine further. It's all part of
why
>> a
>>>>> mac cost more, but it really doesn't. You get what you pay for. Until
>>
>>>>> you
>>>>> really use a Mac, you won't really know.
>>>>>
>>>>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac
>>>>> running
>>>>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>>>>>
>>>>> If Apple and the Macintosh computer suck so bad, why does Microsoft
>>>>> keep
>>>>> trying to copy them?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you just don't like Macs, that's cool! I don't care. Just don't
>>
>>>>> knock
>>>>> them every time they are mentioned, or there is a problem with one.
>> It
>>>>> would
>>>>> be pretty easy to knock PCs every time you guys have a problem, which
>> is
>>>>> just about every other day.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think enough has been said on this subject! Why don't we close it.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 3/1/07 1:03 AM, in article 45e67ac9$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Add all your time in! Add all the time it takes to maintain your
>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>> Start with security administration per week. add in all the stuff
>> I
>>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>>> out to Deej, and then tell me what it all costs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last G4 was in January 2003, by summer the G5 was out. By the
>> way,
>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can buy a new core 2 duo MacMini for $499.00, and it's upgradable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> PC motherboard for a 2-year old PC: $70.
>>>>>>>> Motherboard for a 3 year old dual G4 Mac: $700.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple care for that Mac: $249.
>>>>>>>> PC care: $0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Freedom to save money: priceless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;-))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No matter how you slice it, the Mac just cost more than two of my
>> PCs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/28/07 11:57 PM, in article 45e66b4c@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80895 is a reply to message #80889] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 13:56 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Gantt,
I have a consulting business that is pretty much entirely involved in
locating natural gas wells, pipelines, access roads to wells and research
related to the leasing of mineral intersts.
No, I'm not rich.....and this is because I own a
studio...................remember?
;o)
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45e73492$3@linux...
>
> Hey Deej,
>
> What do you really do far a living anyway? I should have known you must
> have a day job... You buy too much gear to be a starving
> musician/recording
> studio owner like me!
>
> Gantt
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Hey James.........apologies for the venom. Stuff going on here (non audio
> or
>>PC related) that has me a bit riled up at the moment. My day job can be
> a
>>bit stresful and I am currently dealing with some pretty hypocritical
>>people, so you puched a button with that particular keyword. A bad time
> to
>>be trying to carry on a civil discussion.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45e71e19@linux...
>>>I thought it was hypocritical of Deej to knock the Mac
>>> when he has had so many problems with all the cheap after market MOBOs
>
>>> frying
>>> and the problems he has had with other PC parts, such as video cardsand
>
>>> drivers.
>>> Macs have problems, but they are rare.
>>>
>>> God forbid that I should be hypocritical. I have owned Macs since 1994.
>
>>> The OS just sucks IMO in comparison to Windows and while we're speaking
> of
>>> hypocrites, the hypocritical business practices of Apple is another
>>> reason
>
>>> I don't go with Mac. You refer to the amount of money I spend on PC's.
> I
>>> do it because I choose to because it allows me choices. If the new Macs
>
>>> still had PCI slots, then it might allow a bit more flexibility for the
>
>>> hardware I choose to use.....did you ever thing of
>>> that???......no.....because you, as a "sheeple", slavishly allow
>>> yourself
>
>>> to get dragged by the nose wherever Mr. Jobs cares to take you......and
> I
>>> have had hardware problems with Macs too.
>>>
>>> Have a nice ****'in day you *****
>>>
>>> ;o(
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45e71845$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>James -
>>>>>
>>>>>Security admin?? Have you been watching those Apple ads for data
>>>>>research
>>>>>again? ;-) Sorry, no security admin here. Actually no admin at all.
> I
>>>>>turn on my PCs and start working. The most time I spend on any system
>
>>>>>issue
>>>>>is installing new audio hardware or software. And I don't have to
>>>>>worry
>>>>>about scaling down my work by being limited to only 3 or 4 PCI(e)
>>>>>slots.
>>>>>
>>>> No, I've been using PCs! So tell me you can load Windoz XP and go on
> the
>>>> internet without loading some kind of security software? If you do you
>
>>>> will
>>>> have all kinds of problems with your PC and in no time it will grind
> to a
>>>> halt. That's what I'm talking about. If you get the free stuff, you
> are
>>>> likely to have the free software install a bunch of junk on your PC.
> You
>>>> will also have to get multiple security softwares to install on your
> PC
>>>> because
>>>> no one software covers every thing that's out there. So it cost money
> to
>>>> buy good security software.
>>>>
>>>> So the solution here is build one PC for audio and don't go on the net
>
>>>> with
>>>> it, and build another PC for cruising the net. What does that cost?
> We
>>>> could go around with this for the next ten years.
>>>>
>>>>>I know you are a diehard Mac guy, and that's cool. I've owned and used
>>>> both
>>>>>for years and am only diehard about making the best investment and
>>>>>getting
>>>>>the most performance. Macs are fine for a lot of users, but not
>>>>>because
>>>>>they are better, faster or cheaper.<
>>>>
>>>> Mac OSX is a better operating system, that's why Microsoft keeps trying
>
>>>> to
>>>> copy it!!!!! Vista is such a blatant rip off of the look and feel of
> Mac
>>>> OSX it's just sad! And it's security is a joke! Maybe you should
>>>> watch
>>>> the Apple ads. It's time to switch to the real thing, not a sad knock
>
>>>> off.
>>>> But the sheeple will buy the lie like they did in 1995.
>>>>
>>>>>They just run a proprietary OS with
>>>>>more limited hardware upgrade options because of it. I check every
>>>>>component and potential cost everytime I consider adding a new
>>>>>computer,
>>>> and
>>>>>without fail, Macs have yet to prove a better investment. They are not
>>>>>easier to maintain, upgrade or cheaper to buy. If you have a problem,
>
>>>>>they
>>>>>can be even more difficult to troubleshoot and fix than a PC, short of
>>>>>reinstalling the OS, which is never a time saver.
>>>>
>>>> Well, you statement totally contradicts the studies that hues aircraft,
>
>>>> boeing,
>>>> and the United states Navy did on the number of support personnel
>>>> needed
>>>> to maintain PCs vs. Macs, and the difficulties. there in.
>>>>
>>>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP,
> not
>>>> Mac OSX.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Rick - sorry for the OT detour - it's your thread, not a Mac vs. PC
>>>>>debate.
>>>>>Hope you get the Mac fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>> In all my years as a Mac user and authorized Mac dealer I've only heard
>
>>>> of
>>>> one person having a fried mother board on a Mac. That person dumped
> a
>>>> full
>>>> glass of water in to the keyboard by accident, while the machine was
>
>>>> running.
>>>> Then there is you and rick, and the problems you guys have had. I'm
> sure
>>>> somebody will pipe in here to tell Mac fried MOBO stories, come on
>>>> LaMont
>>>> I know your out there.
>>>>
>>>> Deej stated that he doesn't go with Macs because of the problems rick
> is
>>>> having and the expense. It seems that their is a preconceived notion
>
>>>> that
>>>> Macs have the same kind of failure rate as the cheap after market PC
>
>>>> MOBOs
>>>> do. They do not. I thought it was hypocritical of Deej to knock the
> Mac
>>>> when he has had so many problems with all the cheap after market MOBOs
>
>>>> frying
>>>> and the problems he has had with other PC parts, such as video cardsand
>
>>>> drivers.
>>>> Macs have problems, but they are rare.
>>>>
>>>> A Mac purchase is a pretty safe bet as far as reliability, the cheap
>
>>>> after
>>>> market PC stuff is a whole other story. Deej has proven this over the
>
>>>> years
>>>> with quit a bit of failed PC parts. Yes, Deej knows PC part suckage!
>
>>>> Deej
>>>> does own a G4 400MHz, but he doesn't use Macs, he just knocks them.
> By
>>>> the
>>>> way, I believe his vintage 1999 G4 Mac is still running to this day.
>>>>
>>>> It's true that the replacement cost on a Mac MOBO is more expensive.
> My
>>>> other point with Deej was, if he ever got a new Mac and was really
>>>> worried
>>>> about the MOBO frying, he could get the Apple care warranty for $249.00
>
>>>> for
>>>> three years of full coverage with full tech support. I was just trying
>
>>>> to
>>>> point out his options. Some people get it and some people don't. The
>
>>>> bottom
>>>> line is Macs are easy to use and hassle free, and that is worth a lot.
>
>>>> The
>>>> security problems and the cost of those problems on PC are
>>>> unacceptable.
>>>> The security on a Mac is built in, you don't have to pay extra, or use
>
>>>> some
>>>> freeware that will screw up your machine further. It's all part of why
> a
>>>> mac cost more, but it really doesn't. You get what you pay for. Until
>
>>>> you
>>>> really use a Mac, you won't really know.
>>>>
>>>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac
>>>> running
>>>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>>>>
>>>> If Apple and the Macintosh computer suck so bad, why does Microsoft
>>>> keep
>>>> trying to copy them?
>>>>
>>>> If you just don't like Macs, that's cool! I don't care. Just don't
>
>>>> knock
>>>> them every time they are mentioned, or there is a problem with one.
> It
>>>> would
>>>> be pretty easy to knock PCs every time you guys have a problem, which
> is
>>>> just about every other day.
>>>>
>>>> I think enough has been said on this subject! Why don't we close it.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 3/1/07 1:03 AM, in article 45e67ac9$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Add all your time in! Add all the time it takes to maintain your
>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>> Start with security administration per week. add in all the stuff
> I
>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>> out to Deej, and then tell me what it all costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last G4 was in January 2003, by summer the G5 was out. By the
> way,
>>>> you
>>>>>> can buy a new core 2 duo MacMini for $499.00, and it's upgradable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> PC motherboard for a 2-year old PC: $70.
>>>>>>> Motherboard for a 3 year old dual G4 Mac: $700.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple care for that Mac: $249.
>>>>>>> PC care: $0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Freedom to save money: priceless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;-))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No matter how you slice it, the Mac just cost more than two of my
> PCs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/28/07 11:57 PM, in article 45e66b4c@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80910 is a reply to message #80891] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 17:28 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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It's ironic, but a friend of mine here in Kansas City is probably the top
video editor in town, in the top commercial video house. He uses a PC to
run his AVID system because Macs aren't fast enough to keep up with his moves.
But he actually is a mac guy and uses macs for all his personal stuff.
Rod
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45e71845$1@linux...
>, I've been using PCs! So tell me you can load Windoz XP and go on the
>> internet without loading some kind of security software? If you do you
>> will
>> have all kinds of problems with your PC and in no time it will grind to
a
>> halt. That's what I'm talking about. If you get the free stuff, you
are
>> likely to have the free software install a bunch of junk on your PC.
You
>> will also have to get multiple security softwares to install on your PC
>> because
>> no one software covers every thing that's out there. So it cost money
to
>> buy good security software.
>>
>I run Antivir on my laptop, which is the only PC connected to the net and
>it doesn't cost anything either in time or money. I haven't had a virus,
or
>spyware,
>and of course I don't download suspicious free crap either. Not sure why
>anyone
>would actually. Is that why Mac users buy Macs? To download suspicious
>freeware
>and spyware? ;-)
>
>My wife has several free apps running on her Mac - dashboard apps,
>Google Earth, etc. It's noticeably slower, and causes crashes with other
>apps frequently (esp.
>Firefox, Entourage, etc - we would use Safari, but it doesn't have a
>bookmark sidebar).
>
>Dashboard takes 5-10 seconds to open and run due to the apps accessing
>the net or whatever. I only use the calculator in DB, but almost not worth
>the wait,
>and it has to be clicked or reopened half the time to get it to work).
>
>> So the solution here is build one PC for audio and don't go on the net
>> with
>> it, and build another PC for cruising the net. What does that cost?
We
>> could go around with this for the next ten years.
>
>No. Cruising the internet/checking email on the same systems just doesn't
>make any sense
>and is an unnecessary tax on memory and the cpu, even if it is quite small
-
>that could be an
>EQ plugin right there.
>
>> Mac OSX is a better operating system, that's why Microsoft keeps trying
to
>> copy it!!!!! Vista is such a blatant rip off of the look and feel of
Mac
>> OSX it's just sad! And it's security is a joke! Maybe you should watch
>> the Apple ads. It's time to switch to the real thing, not a sad knock
>> off.
>> But the sheeple will buy the lie like they did in 1995.
>
>Lol. You sound like there is no other opinion than yours, which is why
we
>are here.
>
>> Well, you statement totally contradicts the studies that hues aircraft,
>> boeing,
>> and the United states Navy did on the number of support personnel needed
>> to maintain PCs vs. Macs, and the difficulties. there in.
>>
>
>I worked on a Navy contract project after college (Unix systems). Are you
>saying that the government is
>actually a reliable source for efficiency studies? ;-)
>
>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP,
not
>> Mac OSX.
>
>Really? I didn't know I should have been reinstalling Windows... and after
>all these
>years, you still learn something new. ;-) Fyi, I've never had to reinstall
>Windows.
>
>> In all my years as a Mac user and authorized Mac dealer I've only heard
of
>> one person having a fried mother board on a Mac. That person dumped a
>> full
>> glass of water in to the keyboard by accident, while the machine was
>> running.
>> Then there is you and rick, and the problems you guys have had. I'm sure
>> somebody will pipe in here to tell Mac fried MOBO stories, come on LaMont
>> I know your out there.
>
>Our G4 board isn't fried - the USB buss is defective.
>
>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac running
>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>
>Yes. Everyday.
>
>> If you just don't like Macs, that's cool! I don't care. Just don't knock
>> them every time they are mentioned, or there is a problem with one. It
>> would
>> be pretty easy to knock PCs every time you guys have a problem, which
is
>> just about every other day.
>
>James, I have been giving you are a hard time because you are so adamant
>about your
>opinion and can't seem to see both sides of the picture for the Apple in
>front of you. I simply make
>my platform choices based on what gets more work done for my investment.
I
>actually like
>Macs for what they are - I just can't justify one for 90% of what I do.
>
>I can easily see the pros and cons on both sides and that's what I assess
>when buying or building.
>I know there are Mac users that can as well, but it does seem that Mac users
>are far more
>defensive than PC users. I was just yanking your chain because you always
>carry it with you in these discussions.
>I was just having a little fun my friend.
>
>No hard feelings. My wife is a diehard Mac users as well, as are the
>video/film producers I work with.
> I just can't kid around with her the way I can here - it seldom ends well
>for me regardless - and well,
>kidding around with clients never works out to well either. :-)
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>>
>> I think enough has been said on this subject! Why don't we close it.
>>
>> James
>>
>>>
>>>On 3/1/07 1:03 AM, in article 45e67ac9$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Add all your time in! Add all the time it takes to maintain your
>>>> systems.
>>>> Start with security administration per week. add in all the stuff I
>>>> pointed
>>>> out to Deej, and then tell me what it all costs.
>>>>
>>>> The last G4 was in January 2003, by summer the G5 was out. By the way,
>> you
>>>> can buy a new core 2 duo MacMini for $499.00, and it's upgradable.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> PC motherboard for a 2-year old PC: $70.
>>>>> Motherboard for a 3 year old dual G4 Mac: $700.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple care for that Mac: $249.
>>>>> PC care: $0.
>>>>>
>>>>> Freedom to save money: priceless.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-))
>>>>>
>>>>> No matter how you slice it, the Mac just cost more than two of my PCs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/07 11:57 PM, in article 45e66b4c@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80912 is a reply to message #80891] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 17:06 |
Jamie K
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Dedric Terry wrote:
> would actually. Is that why Mac users buy Macs? To download suspicious
> freeware
> and spyware? ;-)
Exactly right, Dedric. That's precisely why I got a Mac!
How ever did you know? Heh.
>
> My wife has several free apps running on her Mac - dashboard apps,
> Google Earth, etc. It's noticeably slower, and causes crashes with other
> apps frequently (esp.
> Firefox, Entourage, etc - we would use Safari, but it doesn't have a
> bookmark sidebar).
Safari has a bookmarks toolbar at the top, handy enough. I haven't had
Firefox crash here, that's weird. Google Earth runs fine. I wonder
what's up on your system...
> Dashboard takes 5-10 seconds to open and run due to the apps accessing
> the net or whatever. I only use the calculator in DB, but almost not worth
> the wait,
> and it has to be clicked or reopened half the time to get it to work).
Also weird, not happening here on either of my Macs.
>> So the solution here is build one PC for audio and don't go on the net
>> with
>> it, and build another PC for cruising the net. What does that cost? We
>> could go around with this for the next ten years.
>
> No. Cruising the internet/checking email on the same systems just doesn't
> make any sense
> and is an unnecessary tax on memory and the cpu, even if it is quite small -
> that could be an
> EQ plugin right there.
I'm doing it now with no probs on this Mac. There's generally plenty of
CPU to spare on the dual G5 and I multitask a lot. For some projects w/
lots of samples or a big graphics project I might cut back on the
multitasking to free up some RAM. Probably should add more RAM (it can
hold 8GB, the new ones 16GB).
>> Mac OSX is a better operating system, that's why Microsoft keeps trying to
>> copy it!!!!! Vista is such a blatant rip off of the look and feel of Mac
>> OSX it's just sad! And it's security is a joke! Maybe you should watch
>> the Apple ads. It's time to switch to the real thing, not a sad knock
>> off.
>> But the sheeple will buy the lie like they did in 1995.
>
> Lol. You sound like there is no other opinion than yours, which is why we
> are here.
>
>> Well, you statement totally contradicts the studies that hues aircraft,
>> boeing,
>> and the United states Navy did on the number of support personnel needed
>> to maintain PCs vs. Macs, and the difficulties. there in.
>>
> I worked on a Navy contract project after college (Unix systems). Are you
> saying that the government is
> actually a reliable source for efficiency studies? ;-)
Heh. You're saying Boeing and Hues aren't?
I'd have to see the studies.
>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP, not
>> Mac OSX.
>
> Really? I didn't know I should have been reinstalling Windows... and after
> all these
> years, you still learn something new. ;-) Fyi, I've never had to reinstall
> Windows.
I have. (shudder.)
>> In all my years as a Mac user and authorized Mac dealer I've only heard of
>> one person having a fried mother board on a Mac. That person dumped a
>> full
>> glass of water in to the keyboard by accident, while the machine was
>> running.
>> Then there is you and rick, and the problems you guys have had. I'm sure
>> somebody will pipe in here to tell Mac fried MOBO stories, come on LaMont
>> I know your out there.
>
> Our G4 board isn't fried - the USB buss is defective.
>
>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac running
>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>
> Yes. Everyday.
What for?
>> If you just don't like Macs, that's cool! I don't care. Just don't knock
>> them every time they are mentioned, or there is a problem with one. It
>> would
>> be pretty easy to knock PCs every time you guys have a problem, which is
>> just about every other day.
>
> James, I have been giving you are a hard time because you are so adamant
> about your
> opinion and can't seem to see both sides of the picture for the Apple in
> front of you. I simply make
> my platform choices based on what gets more work done for my investment. I
> actually like
> Macs for what they are - I just can't justify one for 90% of what I do.
>
> I can easily see the pros and cons on both sides and that's what I assess
> when buying or building.
> I know there are Mac users that can as well, but it does seem that Mac users
> are far more
> defensive than PC users. I was just yanking your chain because you always
> carry it with you in these discussions.
> I was just having a little fun my friend.
>
> No hard feelings. My wife is a diehard Mac users as well, as are the
> video/film producers I work with.
I can understand that. We're a weird and whacky bunch. :^)
> I just can't kid around with her the way I can here - it seldom ends well
> for me regardless - and well,
> kidding around with clients never works out to well either. :-)
Better get it out of your system here, then. ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80913 is a reply to message #80910] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 17:18 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Rod Lincoln wrote:
> It's ironic, but a friend of mine here in Kansas City is probably the top
> video editor in town, in the top commercial video house. He uses a PC to
> run his AVID system because Macs aren't fast enough to keep up with his moves.
Maybe at the moment he bought that system it had a speed advantage, but
considering that Macs are on par these days, I doubt that's currently
true. If he prefers Macs, he may be waiting for the 8 core intel Mac
before upgrading again...I'll bet we hear more about that one somewhere
around NAB in April.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> But he actually is a mac guy and uses macs for all his personal stuff.
> Rod
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:45e71845$1@linux...
>> , I've been using PCs! So tell me you can load Windoz XP and go on the
>>> internet without loading some kind of security software? If you do you
>
>>> will
>>> have all kinds of problems with your PC and in no time it will grind to
> a
>>> halt. That's what I'm talking about. If you get the free stuff, you
> are
>>> likely to have the free software install a bunch of junk on your PC.
> You
>>> will also have to get multiple security softwares to install on your PC
>
>>> because
>>> no one software covers every thing that's out there. So it cost money
> to
>>> buy good security software.
>>>
>> I run Antivir on my laptop, which is the only PC connected to the net and
>> it doesn't cost anything either in time or money. I haven't had a virus,
> or
>> spyware,
>> and of course I don't download suspicious free crap either. Not sure why
>
>> anyone
>> would actually. Is that why Mac users buy Macs? To download suspicious
>
>> freeware
>> and spyware? ;-)
>>
>> My wife has several free apps running on her Mac - dashboard apps,
>> Google Earth, etc. It's noticeably slower, and causes crashes with other
>
>> apps frequently (esp.
>> Firefox, Entourage, etc - we would use Safari, but it doesn't have a
>> bookmark sidebar).
>>
>> Dashboard takes 5-10 seconds to open and run due to the apps accessing
>> the net or whatever. I only use the calculator in DB, but almost not worth
>
>> the wait,
>> and it has to be clicked or reopened half the time to get it to work).
>>
>>> So the solution here is build one PC for audio and don't go on the net
>
>>> with
>>> it, and build another PC for cruising the net. What does that cost?
> We
>>> could go around with this for the next ten years.
>> No. Cruising the internet/checking email on the same systems just doesn't
>
>> make any sense
>> and is an unnecessary tax on memory and the cpu, even if it is quite small
> -
>> that could be an
>> EQ plugin right there.
>>
>>> Mac OSX is a better operating system, that's why Microsoft keeps trying
> to
>>> copy it!!!!! Vista is such a blatant rip off of the look and feel of
> Mac
>>> OSX it's just sad! And it's security is a joke! Maybe you should watch
>>> the Apple ads. It's time to switch to the real thing, not a sad knock
>
>>> off.
>>> But the sheeple will buy the lie like they did in 1995.
>> Lol. You sound like there is no other opinion than yours, which is why
> we
>> are here.
>>
>>> Well, you statement totally contradicts the studies that hues aircraft,
>
>>> boeing,
>>> and the United states Navy did on the number of support personnel needed
>>> to maintain PCs vs. Macs, and the difficulties. there in.
>>>
>> I worked on a Navy contract project after college (Unix systems). Are you
>
>> saying that the government is
>> actually a reliable source for efficiency studies? ;-)
>>
>>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP,
> not
>>> Mac OSX.
>> Really? I didn't know I should have been reinstalling Windows... and after
>
>> all these
>> years, you still learn something new. ;-) Fyi, I've never had to reinstall
>
>> Windows.
>>
>>> In all my years as a Mac user and authorized Mac dealer I've only heard
> of
>>> one person having a fried mother board on a Mac. That person dumped a
>
>>> full
>>> glass of water in to the keyboard by accident, while the machine was
>>> running.
>>> Then there is you and rick, and the problems you guys have had. I'm sure
>>> somebody will pipe in here to tell Mac fried MOBO stories, come on LaMont
>>> I know your out there.
>> Our G4 board isn't fried - the USB buss is defective.
>>
>>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac running
>>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>> Yes. Everyday.
>>
>>> If you just don't like Macs, that's cool! I don't care. Just don't knock
>>> them every time they are mentioned, or there is a problem with one. It
>
>>> would
>>> be pretty easy to knock PCs every time you guys have a problem, which
> is
>>> just about every other day.
>> James, I have been giving you are a hard time because you are so adamant
>
>> about your
>> opinion and can't seem to see both sides of the picture for the Apple in
>
>> front of you. I simply make
>> my platform choices based on what gets more work done for my investment.
> I
>> actually like
>> Macs for what they are - I just can't justify one for 90% of what I do.
>>
>> I can easily see the pros and cons on both sides and that's what I assess
>
>> when buying or building.
>> I know there are Mac users that can as well, but it does seem that Mac users
>
>> are far more
>> defensive than PC users. I was just yanking your chain because you always
>
>> carry it with you in these discussions.
>> I was just having a little fun my friend.
>>
>> No hard feelings. My wife is a diehard Mac users as well, as are the
>> video/film producers I work with.
>> I just can't kid around with her the way I can here - it seldom ends well
>
>> for me regardless - and well,
>> kidding around with clients never works out to well either. :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>>> I think enough has been said on this subject! Why don't we close it.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>> On 3/1/07 1:03 AM, in article 45e67ac9$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Add all your time in! Add all the time it takes to maintain your
>>>>> systems.
>>>>> Start with security administration per week. add in all the stuff I
>
>>>>> pointed
>>>>> out to Deej, and then tell me what it all costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last G4 was in January 2003, by summer the G5 was out. By the way,
>>> you
>>>>> can buy a new core 2 duo MacMini for $499.00, and it's upgradable.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> PC motherboard for a 2-year old PC: $70.
>>>>>> Motherboard for a 3 year old dual G4 Mac: $700.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple care for that Mac: $249.
>>>>>> PC care: $0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Freedom to save money: priceless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;-))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No matter how you slice it, the Mac just cost more than two of my PCs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/28/07 11:57 PM, in article 45e66b4c@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80918 is a reply to message #80912] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 18:29 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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On 3/1/07 6:06 PM, in article 45e778ae@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> would actually. Is that why Mac users buy Macs? To download suspicious
>> freeware
>> and spyware? ;-)
>
> Exactly right, Dedric. That's precisely why I got a Mac!
>
> How ever did you know? Heh.
I have dsp... I mean esp... ;-)
>
>>
>> My wife has several free apps running on her Mac - dashboard apps,
>> Google Earth, etc. It's noticeably slower, and causes crashes with other
>> apps frequently (esp.
>> Firefox, Entourage, etc - we would use Safari, but it doesn't have a
>> bookmark sidebar).
>
> Safari has a bookmarks toolbar at the top, handy enough. I haven't had
> Firefox crash here, that's weird. Google Earth runs fine. I wonder
> what's up on your system...
Just slow - I'm not fond of a lot of apps open at one time, only being used
once or twice a day... but that's another story... ;-)
>
>
>> Dashboard takes 5-10 seconds to open and run due to the apps accessing
>> the net or whatever. I only use the calculator in DB, but almost not worth
>> the wait,
>> and it has to be clicked or reopened half the time to get it to work).
>
> Also weird, not happening here on either of my Macs.
You probably don't have weather, calendars, ski/snow report, some
codebreaker thingy (for GeoCaching)... yet another story...
>
>> No. Cruising the internet/checking email on the same systems just doesn't
>> make any sense
>> and is an unnecessary tax on memory and the cpu, even if it is quite small -
>> that could be an
>> EQ plugin right there.
>
> I'm doing it now with no probs on this Mac. There's generally plenty of
> CPU to spare on the dual G5 and I multitask a lot. For some projects w/
> lots of samples or a big graphics project I might cut back on the
> multitasking to free up some RAM. Probably should add more RAM (it can
> hold 8GB, the new ones 16GB).
Heh - you really need to see a real system running a full tilt. ;-)
There's just something sweet about having systems dedicated to getting work
done rather than sharing with email, just waiting for Tink, Glass or Sosumi
to interrupt the workflow, or ruin a good take.
>>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP, not
>>> Mac OSX.
>>
>> Really? I didn't know I should have been reinstalling Windows... and after
>> all these
>> years, you still learn something new. ;-) Fyi, I've never had to reinstall
>> Windows.
>
> I have. (shudder.)
It probably was a challenge trying to install Windows on a non-bootcamp Mac.
It's much easier installing it on a PC. ;-)
Oh, and you really don't have to reinstall Windows when you install a new
PCI card in the 5th slot - just fyi. ;-)
>
> >>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac running
>>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>>
>> Yes. Everyday.
>
> What for?
>
Good question. Hold on, I'm thinking... umm...well.. hmmm... Oh! Email,
surfing the net, and storing home movies and pictures, just like the ads
say!
.... which reminds me, I still need to transfer the last batch off of my
laptop(PC) - easier to organize there and take on vacation than the G4
tower, and Vegas is quicker to make movies in than Final Cut (just razzing
you - Final Cut is great - it's almost as fast as Vegas). ;-)
Oooh this is fun. I like this game! I should write PC vs. Mac ads. ;-))
Regards,
Dedric
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80920 is a reply to message #80918] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 19:53 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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So Dedric, what G4 are you running?
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 3/1/07 6:06 PM, in article 45e778ae@linux, "Jamie K"
><Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> would actually. Is that why Mac users buy Macs? To download suspicious
>>> freeware
>>> and spyware? ;-)
>>
>> Exactly right, Dedric. That's precisely why I got a Mac!
>>
>> How ever did you know? Heh.
>
>I have dsp... I mean esp... ;-)
>>
>>>
>>> My wife has several free apps running on her Mac - dashboard apps,
>>> Google Earth, etc. It's noticeably slower, and causes crashes with other
>>> apps frequently (esp.
>>> Firefox, Entourage, etc - we would use Safari, but it doesn't have a
>>> bookmark sidebar).
>>
>> Safari has a bookmarks toolbar at the top, handy enough. I haven't had
>> Firefox crash here, that's weird. Google Earth runs fine. I wonder
>> what's up on your system...
>
>Just slow - I'm not fond of a lot of apps open at one time, only being used
>once or twice a day... but that's another story... ;-)
>>
>>
>>> Dashboard takes 5-10 seconds to open and run due to the apps accessing
>>> the net or whatever. I only use the calculator in DB, but almost not
worth
>>> the wait,
>>> and it has to be clicked or reopened half the time to get it to work).
>>
>> Also weird, not happening here on either of my Macs.
>
>You probably don't have weather, calendars, ski/snow report, some
>codebreaker thingy (for GeoCaching)... yet another story...
>>
>>> No. Cruising the internet/checking email on the same systems just doesn't
>>> make any sense
>>> and is an unnecessary tax on memory and the cpu, even if it is quite
small -
>>> that could be an
>>> EQ plugin right there.
>>
>> I'm doing it now with no probs on this Mac. There's generally plenty of
>> CPU to spare on the dual G5 and I multitask a lot. For some projects w/
>> lots of samples or a big graphics project I might cut back on the
>> multitasking to free up some RAM. Probably should add more RAM (it can
>> hold 8GB, the new ones 16GB).
>
>Heh - you really need to see a real system running a full tilt. ;-)
>There's just something sweet about having systems dedicated to getting work
>done rather than sharing with email, just waiting for Tink, Glass or Sosumi
>to interrupt the workflow, or ruin a good take.
>
>>>> Reinstalling the OS is something that is vary common with Windows XP,
not
>>>> Mac OSX.
>>>
>>> Really? I didn't know I should have been reinstalling Windows... and
after
>>> all these
>>> years, you still learn something new. ;-) Fyi, I've never had to reinstall
>>> Windows.
>>
>> I have. (shudder.)
>
>It probably was a challenge trying to install Windows on a non-bootcamp
Mac.
>It's much easier installing it on a PC. ;-)
>
>Oh, and you really don't have to reinstall Windows when you install a new
>PCI card in the 5th slot - just fyi. ;-)
>>
>> >>> This brings me to a question for you Dedric. Do you use a New Mac
running
>>>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>>>
>>> Yes. Everyday.
>>
>> What for?
>>
>
>Good question. Hold on, I'm thinking... umm...well.. hmmm... Oh! Email,
>surfing the net, and storing home movies and pictures, just like the ads
>say!
>
>... which reminds me, I still need to transfer the last batch off of my
>laptop(PC) - easier to organize there and take on vacation than the G4
>tower, and Vegas is quicker to make movies in than Final Cut (just razzing
>you - Final Cut is great - it's almost as fast as Vegas). ;-)
>
>Oooh this is fun. I like this game! I should write PC vs. Mac ads. ;-))
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80921 is a reply to message #80918] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 18:59 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Dedric Terry wrote:
> Just slow - I'm not fond of a lot of apps open at one time, only being used
> once or twice a day... but that's another story... ;-)
Apps should be available and waiting for you, not the other way around.
So some level of multitasking makes sense for what I do. I've been
working this way since the Amiga days.
>>> Dashboard takes 5-10 seconds to open and run due to the apps accessing
>>> the net or whatever. I only use the calculator in DB, but almost not worth
>>> the wait,
>>> and it has to be clicked or reopened half the time to get it to work).
>> Also weird, not happening here on either of my Macs.
>
> You probably don't have weather, calendars, ski/snow report, some
> codebreaker thingy (for GeoCaching)... yet another story...
Weather, calendar, dictionary, clock. No slowness. It's on my third
mouse button.
> Heh - you really need to see a real system running a full tilt. ;-)
Yep, it's sweeet!
Oh, you didn't mean this dual G5 here??
BTW, the definition of "full tilt" changes by the week, eh?
What constitutes a "real system" is any system that actually does what
you need it to do. Like this one here.
> There's just something sweet about having systems dedicated to getting work
> done rather than sharing with email, just waiting for Tink, Glass or Sosumi
> to interrupt the workflow, or ruin a good take.
Never happens here. I don't stay online all the time, though.
>>> years, you still learn something new. ;-) Fyi, I've never had to reinstall
>>> Windows.
>> I have. (shudder.)
>
> It probably was a challenge trying to install Windows on a non-bootcamp Mac.
> It's much easier installing it on a PC. ;-)
Heh. No it was on an intel pentium box running MSWindows. If you've
never gone through that, good. It aged me.
>>>> Mac OSX 10.4 on a daily basis? How about Deej?
>>> Yes. Everyday.
>> What for?
>
> Good question. Hold on, I'm thinking... umm...well.. hmmm... Oh! Email,
> surfing the net, and storing home movies and pictures, just like the ads
> say!
You're so advertising driven. :^)
> ... which reminds me, I still need to transfer the last batch off of my
> laptop(PC) - easier to organize there and take on vacation than the G4
> tower, and Vegas is quicker to make movies in than Final Cut (just razzing
> you - Final Cut is great - it's almost as fast as Vegas). ;-)
Glad to hear Vegas is working OK for you. Does it support 24F HDV from
the new Canons yet?
> Oooh this is fun. I like this game! I should write PC vs. Mac ads. ;-))
Heh. I'm sure there's money in that racket.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80926 is a reply to message #80921] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 19:55 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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On 3/1/07 7:59 PM, in article 45e79302$1@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Just slow - I'm not fond of a lot of apps open at one time, only being used
>> once or twice a day... but that's another story... ;-)
>
> Apps should be available and waiting for you, not the other way around.
> So some level of multitasking makes sense for what I do. I've been
> working this way since the Amiga days.
I never understood why Mac users had every app they owned open at the same
time, but it's a running theme.
I guess it's the Burger King of computers - "have it your way", anytime you
want, even if it's not really good for you. ;-)
>> You probably don't have weather, calendars, ski/snow report, some
>> codebreaker thingy (for GeoCaching)... yet another story...
>
> Weather, calendar, dictionary, clock. No slowness. It's on my third
> mouse button.
Oh, you need a dictionary? I've found quite a few Mac users that still
hadn't mastered the English language... makes sense now.
(just kidding of course :-)
Dashboard is fine tonight - maybe someone that I'm married to who uses this
Mac removed a glitchy applet....
>
>> Heh - you really need to see a real system running a full tilt. ;-)
>
> Yep, it's sweeet!
>
> Oh, you didn't mean this dual G5 here??
>
Heh - you Mac guys can't see the orchard for the apples.
(that was a pretty good one wasn't it? - even if a little corny....er...
fruity...;-)
> BTW, the definition of "full tilt" changes by the week, eh?
>
I guess that depends on how often you have to update OSX
10.4.what_is_it_this_week?
>
>> There's just something sweet about having systems dedicated to getting work
>> done rather than sharing with email, just waiting for Tink, Glass or Sosumi
>> to interrupt the workflow, or ruin a good take.
>
> Never happens here.
Do you mean the getting work done part? ;-)
(lol - too easy, and you know I would never post such zingers if they were
really true. I hope everyone else knows that we are just having fun here).
>>
>> It probably was a challenge trying to install Windows on a non-bootcamp Mac.
>> It's much easier installing it on a PC. ;-)
>
> Heh. No it was on an intel pentium box running MSWindows. If you've
> never gone through that, good. It aged me.
You actually looked younger last time I was up that way. ;-)
>> Good question. Hold on, I'm thinking... umm...well.. hmmm... Oh! Email,
>> surfing the net, and storing home movies and pictures, just like the ads
>> say!
>
> You're so advertising driven. :^)
"And now a word from our sponsor!"
>
>
>> ... which reminds me, I still need to transfer the last batch off of my
>> laptop(PC) - easier to organize there and take on vacation than the G4
>> tower, and Vegas is quicker to make movies in than Final Cut (just razzing
>> you - Final Cut is great - it's almost as fast as Vegas). ;-)
>
> Glad to hear Vegas is working OK for you. Does it support 24F HDV from
> the new Canons yet?
Yes. It has supported 24p HDV for a while. Just found a Vegas user on the
forum with the A1 a few minutes ago. Vegas 7 supports XDCAM MFX and HD-SDI
at 24p.
I see FCP 6 Extreme will have 2k and 4k support. Pretty cool - gonna take a
quad quad, or several to edit/render though, and a bigger wallet than past
FCP releases ($10k rumored for FCP Ext? But then again, if you can afford to
shoot in 4k that's pennies).
Regards,
Dedric
>
>
>> Oooh this is fun. I like this game! I should write PC vs. Mac ads. ;-))
>
> Heh. I'm sure there's money in that racket.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80936 is a reply to message #80926] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 21:07 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Dedric Terry wrote:
> I guess it's the Burger King of computers - "have it your way", anytime you
> want, even if it's not really good for you. ;-)
LOL. More like the gourmet restaurant that serves up what you like in a
multi-course meal, with exquisite taste and presentation.
Just a little help for you since you're obviously struggling for an analogy.
>>> You probably don't have weather, calendars, ski/snow report, some
>>> codebreaker thingy (for GeoCaching)... yet another story...
>> Weather, calendar, dictionary, clock. No slowness. It's on my third
>> mouse button.
>
> Oh, you need a dictionary? I've found quite a few Mac users that still
> hadn't mastered the English language... makes sense now.
>
> (just kidding of course :-)
Heh. I'm still learning how to spel and speke, while expanding my
vo...my voc...my word thing.
> Dashboard is fine tonight - maybe someone that I'm married to who uses this
> Mac removed a glitchy applet....
Maybe. Whoever is married to you must be a very patient person...
>>> Heh - you really need to see a real system running a full tilt. ;-)
>> Yep, it's sweeet!
>>
>> Oh, you didn't mean this dual G5 here??
>>
> Heh - you Mac guys can't see the orchard for the apples.
>
> (that was a pretty good one wasn't it? - even if a little corny....er...
> fruity...;-)
Don't quit your day job. ;^)
>> BTW, the definition of "full tilt" changes by the week, eh?
>>
> I guess that depends on how often you have to update OSX
> 10.4.what_is_it_this_week?
>>> There's just something sweet about having systems dedicated to getting work
>>> done rather than sharing with email, just waiting for Tink, Glass or Sosumi
>>> to interrupt the workflow, or ruin a good take.
>> Never happens here.
>
> Do you mean the getting work done part? ;-)
>
> (lol - too easy, and you know I would never post such zingers if they were
> really true. I hope everyone else knows that we are just having fun here).
(curled up in the fetal position crying in the corner)...
>>> It probably was a challenge trying to install Windows on a non-bootcamp Mac.
>>> It's much easier installing it on a PC. ;-)
>> Heh. No it was on an intel pentium box running MSWindows. If you've
>> never gone through that, good. It aged me.
>
> You actually looked younger last time I was up that way. ;-)
Yep, must be the G5, every year I use it I get a year younger.
Not really, but I'm pretty sure I age slower running OSX than if I had
to pull my hair out over that crazy cobbled excuse for an OS you subject
yourself to, old man.
>>> Good question. Hold on, I'm thinking... umm...well.. hmmm... Oh! Email,
>>> surfing the net, and storing home movies and pictures, just like the ads
>>> say!
>> You're so advertising driven. :^)
>
> "And now a word from our sponsor!"
>>
>>> ... which reminds me, I still need to transfer the last batch off of my
>>> laptop(PC) - easier to organize there and take on vacation than the G4
>>> tower, and Vegas is quicker to make movies in than Final Cut (just razzing
>>> you - Final Cut is great - it's almost as fast as Vegas). ;-)
>> Glad to hear Vegas is working OK for you. Does it support 24F HDV from
>> the new Canons yet?
>
> Yes. It has supported 24p HDV for a while. Just found a Vegas user on the
> forum with the A1 a few minutes ago. Vegas 7 supports XDCAM MFX and HD-SDI
> at 24p.
Great! It's pretty cool, I've matched the A1 to my favorite Panasonic
24P look. Right now I'm editing a music vid I shot that way, and I'm
doing a concert shoot tomorrow.
Er, that is, I meant to say I'm curled up in the corner not doing work
because I don't have a neato commodity yugo computer running on recycled
horse manure, like you. :^)
> I see FCP 6 Extreme will have 2k and 4k support. Pretty cool - gonna take a
> quad quad, or several to edit/render though, and a bigger wallet than past
> FCP releases ($10k rumored for FCP Ext? But then again, if you can afford to
> shoot in 4k that's pennies).
NAB should be a kick this year. My wallet is shaking in fear. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
> Dedric
>>
>>> Oooh this is fun. I like this game! I should write PC vs. Mac ads. ;-))
>> Heh. I'm sure there's money in that racket.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80939 is a reply to message #80936] |
Thu, 01 March 2007 21:57 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45e7b121@linux...
>> You actually looked younger last time I was up that way. ;-)
>
> Yep, must be the G5, every year I use it I get a year younger.
>
> Not really, but I'm pretty sure I age slower running OSX than if I had to
> pull my hair out over that crazy cobbled excuse for an OS you subject
> yourself to, old man.
Hey, you're only as old as you think you feel like you would be if you were
younger....
....sigh, at least I'm not as old as some other people that might be reading
this... ;-)
I'll let you know how old I really feel after a few powder and bump runs at
Copper tomorrow. :-(
>
> Great! It's pretty cool, I've matched the A1 to my favorite Panasonic 24P
> look. Right now I'm editing a music vid I shot that way, and I'm doing a
> concert shoot tomorrow.
You have the A1? Nice looking camera. A buddy here in CS just picked up
the Sony V1U - looks pretty cool
as well - a step or two up from the FX1 I used to have. The new lines of HDV
cams are pretty sweet.
> NAB should be a kick this year. My wallet is shaking in fear. :^)
Are you going to NAB this year? Lots of rumors of cool stuff to appear.
Good luck with the shoot tomorrow!
Regards,
Dedric
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| Re: OT...DAMN!! [message #80957 is a reply to message #80895] |
Fri, 02 March 2007 07:09 |
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
My dad used to have a sailboat, which he called "A hole in the water that
you pour all your money into". I have a hole in my basement...
Gantt
>
>No, I'm not rich.....and this is because I own a
>studio...................remember?
>
>;o)
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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